Krugman gets Greenwalded

[Blue_Tires]

https://theintercept.com/2016/01/28/paul-krugman-unironically-anoints-himself-arbiter-of-seriousness-only-clinton-supporters-eligible/

So first Dean gets smeared after endorsing Hillary, and now Krugman gets the Greenwald treatment for not being 100% in favor of Bernie's policies... I realize the emoprogs lap this shit up anyway, but I'm old enough to remember when the Intercept was supposed to be God's gift to investigative journalism and Glenn was going to be the self-styled savior of the industry...

Seriously -- Does he really plan on throwing every Bernie critic under the bus indefinitely without a hint of self-irony? Does he have nothing better to do with his time and unlimited budget?

(I know, I know...I'm not permitted to have any legit criticism of St. Glenn, so just skip the formalities and let your insults fly -- I've heard them all anyway, so I'm immune...)

[HassleCat]

1. My impression of Krugman

It appears to me Krugman is not merely commenting on the Sanders plans for health care and college, but actively campaigning for Clinton. That's fine, but campaigning for a candidate kind of makes you fair game.

[Peregrine Took]

15. And actively campaigning for a future Cabinet post in the HRC administration. n/t

[frylock]

41. Without question.

[roguevalley]

16. emoprogs? fuck that shit.

[frylock]

42. Why are Sanders supporters so mean!

[Art_from_Ark]

55. You noticed that, too, huh?

Articles containing thinly veiled epithets like "emoprogs" aren't worth the the byte space they're occupying.

[RobertEarl]

2. Rubber room scribblings?

Just made that up in attempt to describe your OP. Has to do with bouncing off the wall in frustration and not really doing anything.

As for Krugman --- he's beholden to the 1% and not really a friend of the People.

[Segami]

3. Yes,...but, but...they agree with Bernie.

[SamKnause]

17. BERN !!!!

Thanks !!!!!!!!!!!

FEEL THE BERN

[in_cog_ni_to]

30. Now why'd you have to go and do that?

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[Jarqui]

4. I've liked a lot of what Krugman has written over the years

But I cannot agree with him flip-flopping on single payer when he was supportive in 2007.

Good for Glen Greenwald who I also don't always agree with

[Nanjeanne]

5. Differences of opinion

The wheels of a bus go back and forth . . .

Some critics write supporting Clinton's ideas and negating Sanders. Some do the opposite. This is news?

[beam me up scottie]

6. In 2008 Paul Krugman called Obama supporters venom spewing cult-like hero worshipers

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/11/opinion/11krugman.html

Gee what a great guy, he doesn't deserve any blowback from Bernie supporters either.

[one_voice]

12. There are people on DU right now..

that used that term mercilessly with respect to DU'ers that supported Obama. The things they said about the posters in BOG were vomit worthy. Many of those people now support Bernie and they're BFF's. It's all good.

Different time now. Primaries are ugly. I'm quite sure many people think you can substitute any current group of supporters in there. Except O'Malley--we're the coolest.

[beam me up scottie]

13. Most of Obama's former supporters on DU now support Bernie.

In fact the same group of people who caused so many problems in 2008 are up to their old tricks again and they're not Bernie supporters.

[one_voice]

18. That's what I said...

many of them support Bernie now. I was/am an Obama supporter so I took note of who said those things. My point was many of those people that called Obama supporters those names support Bernie now too.

There's no problem there. As I said, it's a different time now, no one is holding grudges.

[artislife]

22. I still love the guy

Some of the things he did in the last 8 years makes me cry...either from joy or saddness, that is true.
But I still have my HOPE poster on my wall and I feel we have been better off with him in the WH. I love his family. I love that we are dealing with the reality that this is a racist country. I have hope that we will work it through and we have him to thank for being the lightning rod that stopped us from covering it all up. What a huge personal sacrifice he made.

But this meme that we all are against Obama is seriously stupid.

Hillary has some of the same supporters in both cycles. The ones who said the clouds would part and a chorus would sing. Some who nodded in agreement to "hard working people" and other dog whistles.

Believe it or not, most of Bernie's supporters want progressive issues to be handled. They want a serious change. They see the last 50 years and know that it has to be a hard stop.

[notadmblnd]

51. That was 2008. It had to be Hillary supporters saying those things about Obama

Member? Hillary ran against Obama in 2008. You member?

Now, do you really think that all those 2008 Hillary supporters are now Sander's supporters? I don't.

Pants on fire!

[one_voice]

52. Don't wag your finger at me..

while shoving words in my mouth. That's dishonest. I wasn't here in 2008 so I have no idea what took place. My observations start at 2010 & come from and Obama supporter point of view.

Now, do you really think that all those 2008 Hillary supporters are now Sander's supporters?

Now what I said, was:

There are people on DU right now..

that used that term mercilessly with respect to DU'ers that supported Obama. The things they said about the posters in BOG were vomit worthy. Many of those people now support Bernie and they're BFF's. It's all good.

Different time now. Primaries are ugly. I'm quite sure many people think you can substitute any current group of supporters in there. Except O'Malley--we're the coolest

I didn't lie about anything.

Did people say those things about Obama supporters. Yes.

Do many of them support Bernie now. Yes.

Are they BFF's with some Obama supporters. Yes.

Is it a different time. Yes.

Are primaries ugly. Yes.

So take your dishonest words, your dishonest wagging finger and back the hell up off me.

And have a pleasant evening.

[notadmblnd]

53. I'm sorry. I read it twice and still read it wrong.

I deleted my post.

[one_voice]

54. Cool.

Last edited Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:39 PM - Edit history (1)

okay. let me see if I can explain a little clearer.

Group A: Said the same things about Obama supporters. (that Krugman said). Group B. Obama supporters.

Group A: Now Bernie supporters. Group B- some are now Bernie supporters.

Point. No hard feelings. it's all good. Why is Krugman being vilified for something done in 2008. It's a new time. A new primary.

I never said who 'occupied' Group A. I only identified them as people. I would imagine they have various beliefs.

Hope that helped.

[cui bono]

47. Wow. Nice find. And those are the people who are venom spitting Hillary supporters now.

I remember Zidzi (now known by a shorter DU name) posting some vile shit about Hillary as an Obama supporter back in 2008. It was sexist too. Now all of a sudden... well you know.

.

[beam me up scottie]

8. Why yes it is interesting, isn't it?

Good find.

[closeupready]

9. trying to make up new words now? The delusions are practically breathing lifeforms

now.

[frylock]

43. They've been using that term to shit on progressives for years..

and they can't understand why we're angry.

[Wilms]

10. Still running on rims?

You might want to fix that flat.

[Segami]

20. ROFL..........

[DefenseLawyer]

11. Am I an "emoprog"?

Sweet!

[sadoldgirl]

14. If "emoprogs" insist that

Democrats act like Democrats and not like the
"New Democrats" then I am proud to be one!

[Cali_Democrat]

19. Hmmmm....who to believe?

A Nobel prize-winning progressive economist or Glenn Greenwald?

Hmmm.......that's a tough one.

[stevenleser]

23. Exactly. Greenwald isn't remotely qualified to comment on Krugman. nt

[Fawke Em]

25. ...speaking of versions...

[frylock]

44. ell ohh ell

[ljm2002]

33. So Greenwald isn't qualified to comment on Krugman...

...but Blue_Tires is? You are?

Okay people, if y'all are so qualified to comment, please post your credentials. And let us know what the standards are. Does one have to be a Nobel laureate to comment on anything penned by a Nobel Laureate? or what?

[stevenleser]

34. Correct. He isn't qualified. nt

[ljm2002]

36. Are you qualified? If so, why? n/t

[frylock]

45. Steven is qualified to talk about Men's Rights Advocacy, and does so at length.

[cui bono]

50. Then you're not qualified to comment on Hillary.

Or Bernie.

Or anything.

Because.

.

[stevenleser]

57. Sure I am. nt

[Fawke Em]

24. But which Nobel prize-winning economist are you going to believe?

The 2007 version or the 2016 version?

[PoliticAverse]

28. Milton Friedman was a "Nobel prize-winning economist".

(Not that there actually is a "Nobel prize in economics).

[ljm2002]

32. Even a Nobel prize-winner can be wrong...

...and looking for inconsistencies in someone's current vs. prior positions is a standard way to see if they are being totally truthful. Of course it isn't always a clearcut case of truth vs. lies; sometimes people just change their positions. But in those cases, especially if the person is a pundit, most of us expect at least an explanation of just why they changed their position.

Yours is the logical fallacy "argument from authority". It says nothing, nada, zilch about the validity of the argument.

[NurseJackie]

37. OMG! Too easy!! (A harder question would be "Greenwald or Goodman".)

[m-lekktor]

21. AAh, a PERFECT critique of the overrated DC status quo apologist!

Greenwald always delivers!! He makes all your beloved sacred cows look bad and that is why you are so over the top obsessed with hating him! It's not his fault you admire shitty people!

[doxyluv13]

26. Piece is fair and worth considering

nm

[whatchamacallit]

27. Thanks for giving this excellent Intercept piece some well deserved exposure

[ljm2002]

29. WTH is an emoprog anyway...

...I mean, I'm not only old enough to remember when there was no such thing as the Intercept, I'm old enough to remember when there was no such thing as a personal computer.

You seem to have a fundamental lack of understanding of a "smear". Just disagreeing with someone, and pointing out the inconsistencies in their positions, is not a "smear".

And speaking of self-irony, Krugman is the one who promoted the term Very Serious People when he was criticizing the Beltway pundits. Now he wants to define who is a "serious progressive policy expert" and who is not. Irony abounds.

And of course, you fail to mention the factual rebuttal of Krugman's claim that “Every serious progressive policy expert on either health care or financial reform who has weighed in on the primary seems to lean Hillary.” In the article, Greenwald mentions Dean Baker, Robert Reich, and the 170 economists and policy experts who endorse Bernie's financial reform over Hillary's. Apparently, you and Prof. Krugman would dismiss them as being "not serious". But saying so does not make it so -- it is merely a transparent ploy to try and minimize them with a dismissive wave of the hand.

Of course, given that this is an article by Glenn Greenwald, it is no surprise whatsoever that you disagree with it. I swear you must have a bot activated that notifies you anytime Greenwald publishes something. If he wrote an article stating that the sky is blue, except when it is cloudy and gray or nighttime and black -- you would make an outraged post asking "What about WHITE when there are cirrus clouds? What about PINK and ORANGE and PURPLE at sunrise and sunset? What about the Aurora Borealis? Greenwald is lying again!" -- and then you would pre-emptively note that you are "not allowed" to have any "legit" (ha!) criticism. It is rather hilarious actually.

[whatchamacallit]

31. Such distinctions are beyond the computational power of the average Hilbot n/t

[merkins]

35. Love Those Rose Colored Glasses OP

[applegrove]

38. It is the paid GOP trolls who attack and destroy. Real Bernie

supporters are not ***holes.

[Autumn]

39. Same for Hillary supporters?

Cause I see a lot of Hillary supporters using the exact same phrases Fubio and Trump use about Bernie's programs.

[applegrove]

46. Yes. Absolutely.

[frylock]

40. Why is Greenwald suppressing Krugman's First Amendment rights??!

This lame-ass trope coming from conservatives around here claiming that people get to say whatever stupid shit they want without a rebuttal is straight out of freeperville. Why don't you address the content of the article?

[cui bono]

49. Because then they wouldn't be able to say "emoprog".

mmkay?

.

[cui bono]

48. EMOPROG!!!!!!!!!! OH NOES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHAT'S THE WORLD COMING TO?????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

.

[OilemFirchen]

56. First Look at Me Media is an hilarious go-to source for emoprogs.

Any other startup with such a paucity of amateurish scribblings would have been gone within a few months. Thanks to Looneytarian Omidyar's billions, however, it marches on.

Corporate media's got nuthin' on these grifters.

[SidDithers]

58. DU rec...

Greenwalded. So appropriate.

Sid

[Blue_Tires]

59. Bernie Sanders' Campaign Is Concerned About the 'Berniebro,' As They Maybe Should Be

If you disrespect Bernie Sanders, you’re going to get a visit from his social media goons. They are passionate about campaign finance reform, staying active in one’s 70s, and being very, very manly.

They are the Berniebros. The Atlantic’s Robinson Meyer first coined the phrase in October, describing your typical Berniebro as someone who is “white; well-educated; middle-class (or, delicately, ‘upper middle-class’); and aware of NPR podcasts and jangly bearded bands.” Meyer continued:

The Berniebro, now that you think about it, was the kind of person who’d show up to a college party in a toga. You remember it maybe being the Berniebro’s profile picture once. (Today, the Berniebro is wearing a blazer in his profile picture, or an open-necked gingham shirt. Or both.)

In the past five months, the Berniebro has morphed into a social media mob—aided largely by r/SandersforPresident and a feeling that the media has let them down. The Berniebro is now what happens when Reddit eats a fairly liberal, if irritatingly opinionated white guy, and spits him out. He is tired, he is covered in boils, and he is intent on destroying Hillary Clinton by any. means. necessary.

And he is making the campaign look bad.

Mashable’s Emily Cahn reports that politicians and other public figures who support Hillary Clinton can expect to receive a torrent of often-sexist insults in response. “You should have supported someone with integrity instead of a lying shitbag like HRC,” one Berniebro commented on a photo of Sen. Jeanne Shaheen and Clinton.

“Their vaginas are making terrible choices,” another commented.

The vitriol became so much that Mike Casca, Sanders’ rapid response director, took to Twitter to make an appeal for common decency.

http://theslot.jezebel.com/bernie-sanders-campaign-is-concerned-about-the-berniebr-1755911898?utm_campaign=socialfow_jezebel_twitter&utm_source=jezebel_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

[Blue_Tires]

60. Bernie Sanders supporters get a bad reputation online

Passionate support for presidential candidate Bernie Sanders has propelled him into a close race with fellow Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton. But some say that support has turned aggressive and abusive online.

After the 25 January Democratic town hall, Emily Nussbaum, television critic for the New Yorker magazine, tweeted some positive feedback for Hillary Clinton.

"I'm into Hillary, obviously, but I genuinely thought she did really well tonight," Ms Nussbaum wrote.

About a half an hour later, she followed up with this: "Man, the Feel The Bern crew (as opposed to Bern himself) is such a drag. Say anything pro-Hil & they yell 'bitch' & 'psycho.' V idealistic!"

Others - including a number of prominent members of the media - followed with their own reports of seeing Sanders supporters deploying vicious rhetoric towards anyone questioning the Vermont senator or his backers.

Author Sady Doyle said her tweets about Sanders supporters resulted in "several hundred angry notifications in a 24-hour span from that cohort," she wrote. "Someone also said *I* should die if I thought some Bernie supporters were kinda sexist."

Some say Sanders is the symptom, not the cause - the "Bernie bro" is just an old troll with a new name. Indeed, Sarah Jeong, a journalist who is the frequent target of sexist attacks, has received so much vitriol in the name of Sanders she set her Twitter account to private - even though she too is a Sanders fan.

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-35422316