Sanders:* Very ugly bigotry is being pushed hard, including, sadly, at DU.

[merrily]

During the 2008 primary, it was that Obama might be a Muslim--and an African Muslim at that.



Failing that, Obama was most definitely (sarcasm) the acolyte (figuratively) of Black Liberation theologist Jeremiah Wright, who was portrayed as hating America.

Oh, and, btw, have you noticed Obama is not white? And hates the bible and guns?

Really, my fellow Ammurricans, he's nothing like you and me, nothing to which us WASPs can relate.

Another primary, another batch of scurrilous attacks.

Democratic primary voters, don't be fooled by that WASP sounding surname and his perfectly Anglo Saxon features (sarcasm): Bernie is (whispering) a Jew.

Yes, dear readers, a man whose family members died in the Holocaust has to face anti-Semitism as he runs for the Democratic nomination for President of the United States.

And, oh, gee, is he really, truly completely sure he isn't a citizen of Israel? It was, after all, posted on somewhere on the Internet, yet the so and so denies it! Typical!

And now, my dear fellow Democrats, a man who said that he believes in God is being falsely portrayed as an atheist because polling indicates that a number of Americans do not want an atheist as President and his belief in God does not match the concept of God in the Middle Ages. Oh, and his concept of religion is not one that several dictionaries label archaic.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1081297

News flash: many Americans don't want to see Hillary Clinton as President, and for reasons that are considerably less slimy than her genetic make up.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12777603

*ETA: For the easily confused: Including Senator Sanders' name in the subject line indicates that this post is about him, not that he is the author of this post or anything said in this post. That would be me and only me. I hope that clears it up.

[VulgarPoet]

1. k/r, keep 'em on the ropes

[beam me up scottie]

2. Lying about Bernie's religious beliefs is every bit as vile as when they did it to Obama.

The "godless Jew" dog whistle is an old one but it's still effective and the people using it know that.

[VulgarPoet]

4. I never understood *why* it worked either

I mean maybe it's cause I'm according to the Abrahamics, a "godless pagan"-- but don't most Christians realize that Judaism is one of their brother religions?

[beam me up scottie]

11. Centuries of hatred don't go away overnight.

Add to that the associated red scare from the 20th century and the rise of anti-Semitism in the 21st, it doesn't take much to rekindle.

[merrily]

25. Isn't it sad that we have quite a few posts on this board proving that in this context?

[beam me up scottie]

27. A jury let an op linking to a Holocaust denier's website stand.

This is not surprising to anyone who's been paying attention to DU over the years. We've been expecting it to escalate since Bernie announced and it will only get worse.

[merrily]

33. On the bright side, I did see the author of an anti-Semitic post get tombstoned.

Ya know.....

IIRC, in the cases of both L0onix and MannyGoldstein, juries had voted to leave the posts that got them banned, but, in each instance, one or more DUers complained to the Admins until the Stark Fist of Removal (as MannyGoldstein liked to refer to it) banned them. Perhaps Bernie Supporters have been too slack about bigoted posts that a jury allows to stand? After all, they do violate TOS, in addition to being sickening.

[beam me up scottie]

35. Several have been banned recently.

And you're right, if hundreds of people alerted on bigoted posts it might just make a difference but when you can't even get 4 out of 7 jurors to vote to hide them it's never going to happen.

[merrily]

37. If I recall correctly, the two posts I cited had more "leave" votes than 4.

[beam me up scottie]

49. Don't forget the kibbutz conspiracy.

They haven't, I'm sure they'll bring that up again.

[merrily]

53. Ugh. I missed that one.

I do know he honeymooned in Russia, LOL.

I honeymooned in St. Maarten, which I guess means I'm Dutch and French. May I offer you some gouda? Or would you prefer brie?

[beam me up scottie]

54. The implication is that he wasn't really at a kibbutz.

Now where they think he was they won't say.

It's true some Jews are curious about which one he stayed at but why should gentiles be so concerned about it?

[merrily]

59. Ah. Okay, I never heard it. Maybe he was not at the kibbutz, but off somewhere applying for

dual Israeli citizenship, and then serving in the Israeli military, which I think every Israeli citizen must do now, though I am not sure.

Or in Cuba with Lee Harvey Oswald. Or in Russia with Snowden, who arrived in a time machine piloted by Greenwald.

Hey, if you're going to make up sh*t, may as well go big or go home!

[Behind the Aegis]

124. Not all citizens of Israel are required to serve in the miltary.

There are exemptions. Non-Druze Arabs do not have to serve, though some do, it is voluntary. The ultra-religious Jews also can get exemptions.

[merrily]

131. Thanks. Just to be clear: we are talking about sh*t people made up about the time Senator Sanders

said he spent on a kibbutz.

[Behind the Aegis]

132. I am famililar with the anti-Semitic memes being touted.

More will surface.

[azurnoir]

134. No they won't the kibbutz is Sha’ar HaAmakim

http://forward.com/news/israel/332946/bernie-sanders-kibbutz-revealed-at-last/

[chervilant]

68. IIRC, several of us (feminists of both genders)

tried for a good while to address the sexism and misogyny on this forum, and it got us nowhere. In fact, some of the worst offenders doubled down.

I am sad to say that several DUers I've long admired have become Hi11ary supporters--the kind that say vile, derisive things about
Bernie, and those of us who support him. My IL is growing by leaps and bounds...

[beam me up scottie]

85. It takes something pretty blatant.

If juries were consistent that would help but they're not. Ignore is a great idea when it gets to be too much.

[jwirr]

23. Yes, and no, most Christians believe that Christianity grew

out of Judaism - out of the Old Testament. Likewise Jews usually do not accept the New Testament. However there are differences. One is the interpretation of GOD. The Jewish GOD is one person (The father - creator) while the Christian GOD is usually seen as a triune GOD (Fathe Son and Holy Spirit). Related but not the same.

But as one of those awful Christians I do not see what the big deal is.

I highly respect this wonderful Jewish man who lost his grandparents in the concentration camps and lives by the tenets of his religion often in better ways than my religion does. Bernie is the man we respect because he believes in God. What is the argument?

BTW I can tell you what the complaint is about - if I am not mistaken Bernie will be the first president who is not a Christian or who allowed people to think he was - horrors :sarcasm.

[VulgarPoet]

30. Horror. Bedlam. Murders in the Rue Morgue. Cats and Dogs sleeping together.

I'm the kind that believes that your right to practice whatever religion suits your fancy ends at my nose, and when you try to repress my rights over your god, you're swinging somewhere between my nose and my cheekbone. Much love to Sanders-- hope he normalizes that kind of thing.

[jwirr]

32. Totally agree.

[merrily]

36. Behaviors can be awful.

Believers in any type of religion who do not do or say reprehensible things, like spreading hate, are not awful.

[jwirr]

39. Yes. When I was in college my father watched a lot of

educational tv and an Omaha station had a lot of documentaries regarding Judaism. Us girls would come home from our classes and he would insist we set down to listen to what he was learning. He told us that he thought most Jews had a better understanding of the issues than we did.

Since the 70s almost every candidate I have worked for has been Jewish and I agree totally - no one should be judged by their religion for a political office - they should be chosen because of their stance on the issues.

[merrily]

50. Thanks. You were lucky. My father watched sports.

Kidding. He did, but nothing is wrong with that and I don't care.

[jwirr]

51. LOL

[dorkzilla]

46. Actually, Kennedy detractors argued he was Catholic, therefore not Christian

Full disclosure, I was raised Catholic and am now atheist. But I never understood other sects, mostly Evangelicals, claiming “we” weren’t Christian. Why, transubstantiation? Something other I’m missing?

[jwirr]

58. Agree - I do not know what basis the Evangelicals use for

that idea either but I have known that a lot of them seem to really have it in for Jews, Catholics and other religions.

But then they do not seem to need much of a basis for bigotry.

[ShrimpPoboy]

71. Reverence towards the saints and Mary

to the point that they are almost deities of their own. Also, giving authority to men like the pope and reliance on rituals (sacraments) is seen as undercutting god and the evangelical view that faith alone is enough.

I'm an atheist but I grew up catholic and used to wonder about that too.

[dorkzilla]

82. Honestly, I love the rituals-they're comforting

Mostly because they remind me of going to Mass wearing my best dress and little white patent leather shoes, sitting between my sweet grandparents and smelling Grandma's Windsong perfume.

I'm also an incense huffer.

[ShrimpPoboy]

90. No argument here

I liked the structure of the church and traditions. It felt like connecting to the past every time. I also like the big old-fashion cathedrals.

[dorkzilla]

95. Me too!

Much time spent travelling in Europe is spent in cathedrals and I love the small but ancient churches in Italy. I feel like I have to apologize to my travelling companions for this, especially my husband who has been forced to endure more days at Westminster Abbey than any other live person not working there.

[merrily]

115. One evangelical definition of a "Christian" is someone who is "born again."

Under that definition, you can believe in the existence and divinity of Christ and still not be a "Christian."

And people beat me up because I am particular about definitions. Definitions don't affect anything at all.

[PatrickforO]

28. Yeah, I'm completely neutral with Bernie being Jewish. It's a total non-issue.

As is his belief or unbelief.

What IS important to me is his stance on:
1. Healthcare
2. Social Security
3. College
4. Breaking up big banks
5. Taxing billionaires and large corporations that are currently skating free by offshoring their profits
6. Removing the payroll cap from Social Security

...you get the idea. I agree with Sanders on nearly everything he wants to do, and I will call, write, email, sign petitions and even march for these things when the time comes.

[onehandle]

3. Senator Sanders cited DU!!???

Wow! This is AMAZING. I must call Skinner, right away!!!!!


Wait... You are linking to your own post.



Never fucking mind.

[hrmjustin]

7. .

[merrily]

13. Thanks for your firm stand against religious bigotry. Good to know!

[hrmjustin]

24. Get off your high horse!

[merrily]

26. If that's where I have to be to call out bigotry, then, sorry, no.

I can't stand the suspense: May I look forward to at least ten more substance-free posts and ad homs from you on this sub-thread?

[beam me up scottie]

29. Some things are not funny.

I love to yuk it up too but bigotry should be condemned by everyone here.

[merrily]

38. One would hope--which is kind of the point of the OP.

It's not so much that they post articles about it. It's that they argue about whether his belief in God is the right kind of belief.

It's that, on DU, from Democrats

[chervilant]

70. Yet another addition

to my IL. You're much more diplomatic than me, merrily...

[merrily]

72. I suspect some DUers, including those working the alert button on the OP,

might disagree with you.

[chervilant]

75. Yes, and they're all

(probably) on my IL.

So much more pleasant here without the derisive, vulgar ugliness.

[bvf]

42. Stay under your rock.

[chervilant]

73. Oh, yay...

Yet another candidate for my IL. ("Get off your high horse," sounds like advice you should take.)

[merrily]

9. Who said Sanders cited DU? Take two aspirin and get some rest.

The post of mine to which I linked contains links to sources. Desperate much?

Oh, and thanks for standing against religious bigotry. Good to know!

[redstateblues]

5. Always the victims. Keep the outrage fueled.

[merrily]

8. Calling out shameful bigoted attacks is not being a victim. Not calling them out would be.

But, thanks for your firm stand against religious bigotry. Good to know!

[Bonobo]

6. I remember the Clinton campaign darkening the skin of Obama in a photo.

My black friends despise her and will never vote for her.

[merrily]

12. I remembered that had been done in a number of photos, but I

don't remember proof that the Clinton campaign had been responsible.

[Bonobo]

14. There is no way it COULD be proven, but...

the fact that Obama had somehow been rendered darkened on the Clinton ad is undeniable.

[merrily]

15. OK, I did not remember it had appeared in an campaign ad for Clinton.

It was done in a number of venues, including, IIRC, a mainstream magazine cover, though I don't remember which.

[Bonobo]

17. And don't forget they leaked that photo of Obama in the turban too. nt

[merrily]

20. You mean, a photo something like the one in the OP? No, I haven't forgotten.

Supposedly, that was all the fault of April Glasbie two young campaign workers who were dismissed.

And, I have been informed in no uncertain terms that that photo had nothing to do with his being African, only Muslim. Because, as we all know, his garb in that photo is a uniform worn by Muslims all over the world, much as Christians and Jews all over the world today wear a uniform that identifies them by their religion and not by their ethnic origin.

[Matariki]

10. During the 2008 primaries a Clinton supporter posted a cartoon of Obama

as a monkey doing math. That was the fucking punchline. And argued and argued that (huh?) there was nothing racist about it.

This place is an ugly mess during primaries.

[senz]

16. Sounds like a Clinton supporter.

Eight years haven't altered their penchant for smug elitism and ridicule.

[merrily]

31. Then again, DUers who, during the last primary, posted quite horrible things about Hillary

have, um, evolved, now that she is the choice of the PTB of the Party.

Remarkable, really.

[merrily]

18. Do you mean that it was posted at DU?

[Matariki]

19. Yes. Should have said that.

And unbelievably was left standing by the moderators. It was a really ugly piece of work. The poster pretended to never have heard of that particular insult against African Americans (right) and tried to pin the racism on everyone who called them on it. A real low for DU.

[merrily]

21. You mean, something like I got attacked on this thread for calling out bigoted attacks?

[beam me up scottie]

22. Ignorance is ALWAYS the excuse for bigotry.

But if the post is not edited or deleted then it becomes obvious that the offense was intentional, imo.

[jillan]

34. I've heard it on the Stephanie Miller show too - from mama herself.

She was talking about how all these people were asking her about Hillary running against a socialist Jew from Vermont named Bernie. And saying it in her best "oy vey" accent.

I tweeted the show a few times as she kept repeating it asking if it was really necessary to use his religion in her statement.

Reminded me of the rw attacks on that muslim, Obama.

There is NO religious test to run for President.

It's one thing to hear it from the party of hate but when democrats start to spew that crap - enough!

[merrily]

41. Stronger than that. The U.S. Constitution FORBIDS a religious test for President.

[sarge43]

44. "There is NO religious test to run for President."

In fact, the Constitution forbids it, section 3, Article VI.

The presidential oath allows affirmation, a religious book is not required and "So help me God" is not a requirement. The Founders went out their way to ensure that gov't service is religiously neutral.

[merrily]

40. Irony meter broken: An OP that calls out religious bigotry got alerted on and results were only 3-4

But DU juries have voted to leave anti-Semitic posts. WOW.



ALERTER'S COMMENTS

That false racist picture of the President is uncalled for on a democratic website

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Jan 28, 2016, 09:21 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Pointing out hypocrisy and hyperbole is not a violation. If the alerter felt a sting then maybe it was deserved.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Used to illustrate a point and a good one at that.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: The whole OP is over the top. Vote to hide
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The post is uncomfortable but true and well documented. It should stand. DUers should know the candidates they are supporting and what they will do to get elected.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[jillan]

43. Lol! On another note, thanks for bringing this up.

There has been more than a few times when my radar has gone up at the whisper campaign about Bernie's religion.

[merrily]

45. You're welcome. Bigots may whisper, but bigotry screams. It needs to STFU.

[dorkzilla]

48. Holy fuckballs, really?

I also LOVE Juror #5’s comment. Fuck me.

[VulgarPoet]

55. bet if I went off about fundamentalist christianity though

the Jury would 7-0 hide that shit immediately. Can't rock the boat, after all

[merrily]

103. Let's not go off on anyone's religious belief. Go off on conduct that harms people, including hate

speech.

[VulgarPoet]

109. Oh no doubt. Racial and religious bigotry is nowhere near my bag.

I just hope that when it inevitably comes down to it that someone steps on the status-quo and catches a hide for it, someone'll hearken back to this and at least get a couple hearty chuckles out of it.

[merrily]

78. Yes, really!

I never knew fuckballs were sanctified. Thanks for the 411!

[sabrina 1]

47. Don't worry, we remember it all, all too well. And yes, they are repeating it with the same dog

whistling, same sexist assumptions that all women voters think about is gender etc.

All I ever see from her supporters are ATTACKS. Attacks on Sanders personally, on his milions of supporters, which is ludicrous btw, and on his policies.

I'd like to see them talk about HER policies, but I get why they can't.

[PatrynXX]

52. Frankly I always understood it this way

Right Wing Jews likely gave Jesus up. Can't say about Left Wing Jews. Bibi? For sure. Bernie , well it's a case of it's the loud angry ones you have to worry about. Bernie is all about caring. and Jesus oddly was a Jew so..,,, where do you go with that.

[merrily]

57. The book says that Romans crucified Jesus (and many others). Should we hate Italians, too?

How about Popes who were Italian?

Supposedly, the only way humankind could be saved from burning in hell eternally (ouch!) was Jesus's death. Perhaps we should thank Judas? Anyway, in one book of the Bible, the poor guy killed himself, which sounds to me like as much repentance as humans can express. (In another book of the Bible, he does not kill himself. My Sunday School teachers never mentioned that!)

But, this religious bigotry is about influencing primary voters more than it is about about religion or the fate Jesus.

[ecstatic]

56. This is the second time I've seen a Bernie supporter post that pic

today. I don't remember seeing it in 2008. If it was used, it had nothing to do with Hillary Clinton, the candidate. She's not racist, and there's 30+ years of documentation proving it. That's why OPs like this won't really get very far. It comes across as desperate.

[SoapBox]

61. Please link to the other pic.

[ecstatic]

63. Sure:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511086412

[merrily]

108. Not fer nutthin, but that is not the same pic as in the OP.

Same garb, probably taken the same day, but it's not the same pic.

And pics in that garb are memorable because that was one of many dog whistles of the 2008 campaign.

[merrily]

62. You are mistaken on all counts. That photo or one very much like it came from peope in her 2008

primary campaign. They were fired after it became public. Google is your friend.

Whether or not she herself is a racist ir irrelevant. You don't have to be a racist to use race against your opponent. Obama's campaign prepared a memo about the racist tactics used by the Hillary campaign in 2008, which culiminated in her very own "hard working white people" remark. Again, google is your friend.

Don't know what you mean about the OP not getting far. It's purpose was to call out religious bigotry as a tactic used against Sanders, including on DU. Mission accomplished as soon as I hit post. Thanks for your input though.

[ecstatic]

65. Bernie has referenced hard working whites time and time again

While referring to minorities in an almost cartoonish, stereotypical way:

Well, here's what you got. What you got is an African-American president, and the African-American community is very, very proud that this country has overcome racism and voted for him for president. And that's kind of natural. You've got a situation where the Republican Party has been strongly anti-immigration, and you've got a Hispanic community which is looking to the Democrats for help.

But that's not important. You should not be basing your politics based on your color.

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2014/11/19/365024592/sen-bernie-sanders-on-how-democrats-lost-white-voters

[merrily]

69. Context is everything. Also, Bernie's words do NOT contain the "hard working whites" words.

Apologies to Sesame Street, but one of those quotes is nothing like the other.

Hillary's words played into a stereotype that African Americans are lazy, just as Reagan did, with "guidance" from Lee Atwater. Bernie said nothing bigoted, used no racial stereotypes. Please don't smear him because he merely mentioned African Americans and immigrants or pretend that every mention is as low as appealing to racial stereotypes and dog whistling. Good grief. We have to be able to simply mention African Americans and immigrants in political discourse.

[ecstatic]

83. Referring to minorities in a 1 dimensional way

while the plight of the white working class is described fully, and in a way that appears mutually exclusive to the plight of African Americans, Latinos, etc. It was offensive, but Bernie has come a long way since then, thankfully.

Regarding the supposed comments from Clinton, again, I was heavily engaged back then and none of what you quoted rings a bell. I remember getting really annoyed and tired of Clinton by April 2008... but for the longest time, I was neutral. Anyway, I'm not interested in rehashing history. President Obama chose her as SOS, and the bottom line is that Clinton, while annoying in 2008, didn't do anything unforgivable, IMO. My only concern is finding a democrat who can win the GE.

[merrily]

110. I personally don't think a comment that African Americans are proud of Obama is one dimensional.

You are certainly more than entitled to think differently about it.

Sorry you saw none of what I referenced in 2008, Google Obama campaign race memo, if you want clarification. If you're not interested in rehashing history--and I can certainly understand why a Hillary supporter would not be--then don't keep bringiing it up.

From the only evidence we have, Sanders can win the general, so you need look no further. I'm really worried about the general if Hillary is the nominee, though.

[beam me up scottie]

77. Links to him referencing "hard working whites" time and time again?

And Bernie doesn't believe we've overcome racism:

Sanders: Charleston Shooting Reminder Of 'Ugly Stain Of Racism' In US

Presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) on Thursday condemned the shooting at a historically black church in Charleston, S.C. as a "tragic reminder of the ugly stain of racism" tainting America.

"This senseless violence fills me with outrage, disgust and a deep, deep sadness," Sanders tweeted.

In a longer statement, the Democratic presidential contender said the killings, which were blamed on a white suspect whose victims included state Sen. Clementa Pinckney (D), showed that the U.S. had a long way to go in escaping its history of racial violence.

"The hateful killing of nine people praying inside a church is a horrific reminder that, while we have made significant progress in advancing civil rights in this country, we are far from eradicating racism," he said.

"Our thoughts and prayers are with the families and their congregation," Sanders added.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/charleston-shooting-bernie-sanders-racism

[merrily]

116. Almost as soon as that news hit, I got an email from Sanders asking me to donate to the Church.

At that time, he had no idea yet how much his small donors would kick in for him. Yet, he was asking his donors to give to the church, not to him.

[merrily]

107. You posted the same quote to which I already replied. Link to quote from Bernie

referencing hard working whites please? As I said in my previous post, context is everything.

BTW, I see nothing cartoonish about African Americans being proud an African American was elected President. I cried and I look white.

[zentrum]

60. Interesting article

....about HRC's misleading and inaccurate speech on what happened during and after Reconstruction following the Civil War.

Along the way, it discusses Bill's pragmatic cynicism about "electability" and towards voters, and his ignorance about "liberalism"--"whatever that is". Isn't he one of her closest advisors? Hmmm.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-reconstruction_us_56a7f9c3e4b04936c0e8a6c9?cps=gravity_5034_3158774444535239733

[merrily]

113. Thanks. I'll bookmark. Bill Clinton doesn't know what liberalism is? ok.

[zentrum]

117. Worse than that

Mr. Rhodes Scholar knows damn well what it is and was being slick. The Clintons take whatever stance they think will get/keep them in power.

[merrily]

118. Clintion is one of the smartest men I've encountered in my life, but especially about politics.

I have never, ever heard anyone discuss politics on his level. It's not so much knowledge of facts. I'm sure some bot knows more. But he does know a lot and he is unparalleled in knowing what to say and when to say it to get to where he wants.

[BainsBane]

64. I thought he was proud to be an atheist?

and his supporters also proud of it. I've seen it cited many times by supporters. Did he change or were they mistaken?

It's been used to argue against Clinton. People here have cited her religious belief as a flaw and Bernie's atheism as a plus.

How is simply referencing someone as an atheist bigoted? Doesn't that claim suggest there is something wrong with being an atheist?


Hold on. I've also seen people talk about the importance of the first atheist being elected president. You'll have to excuse me but my head is spinning from all these changing arguments. What was once a point in his favor is now presented as a sign of bigotry by anyone who mentions it.

[Nanjeanne]

66. I don't know about Sanders supporters

But Bernie never said he was an atheist. He has said, the few times he talks about religion - that he is a non practicing Jew and his spirituality comes from his belief that we are all our brothers keeper. I'm paraphrasing but that's the gist.

I have heard that atheists like Bernie because he "gets them". But I've never heard Bernie say anything about being an atheist.

So to answer your question. No he hasn't changed.

[BainsBane]

106. I'll have to do a search of DU then

because I know I've seen it and not as a pejorative.

[merrily]

101. No clue what you are saying. I read a direct quote saying he believes in God and like all of us,

has his own concept of God. Given that direct quote, saying he is an atheist is a lie, AFAIK about atheism. Lies should be called out.

Dismissing or criticizing his concept of God, aka his specific religious belief, is religious bigotry, if his specific religious belief hurts no one AFAIK about religious bigotry. Religious bigotry should be called out.

Her affiliation with the Family is a fact, not a lie and there are enough secular facts about the Family to give one pause--and by the way, the Family is not a religious belief.

[beam me up scottie]

111. I've been following Bernie for decades and he never once claimed to be an atheist.

I haven't seen any of his supporters call him an atheist either so I have no idea what you're talking about.

Some may believe he is because he's never talked about religion and is non-religious but afaik the vast majority of his supporters accept the fact that he's a secular Jew.

[George II]

67. Even at this late date, I haven't seen a SINGLE post here on DU or ANY other site....

...that has been anti-Semitic.

So tell me, what "scurrilous attacks" have been made against Sanders along the lines that you imply? I know its easy to throw those accusations out there and the naive will believe it, but can you be truly specific? My guess is that you can't.

Quite honestly, here on DU and anywhere else, I've seen people go out of their way to AVOID such bogus attacks. But of course, some will rail about "dog whistles", but do they really understand what that refers to? I doubt it, but it sounds good.

So, I ask, please be specific. Thank you.

[merrily]

79. I really can't help what you've seen or not seen or claim not to have seen.

I am not playing this game with you and I am not calling out any individual DUers post, even the banned one.

This will likely cause you to imply I'm lying, which is the next move in the game. I could care less. The vast majority of DU knows exactly what I am talking about and knows the game. Have a great evening.

[George II]

80. So be it. Mirrors and smoke screens. I guess it's not worth discussing.....pity.

[merrily]

81. Sooo clever? Who could have seen that coming!

[beam me up scottie]

86. Almost like someone's trying to prod you into a hide by getting you to post links.

[merrily]

89. Nah. Never.

[Oilwellian]

112. That would be so shocking

[beam me up scottie]

114. Wouldn't it though? :)

[BeanMusical]

121. George would never do something like that!

[beam me up scottie]

84. Some people always say that whenever bigotry is brought up.

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Don't you know that bigotry doesn't exist on DU because some people don't see it?

[beam me up scottie]

92. I'm not stalking you.

of course you always run....
....from your abject disdain for spirituality your own bigotry. I guess its easy for you by now.

Sounds like anti-atheist bigotry. Explain.

[George II]

96. But, you responded to me first....."happy"?????

[beam me up scottie]

97. It's also intolerant to spread stereotypes about atheists.

We just don't believe in gods, there's no bigotry against religious people in atheism, it's simply a lack of religious belief. "Disdain" for spiritual beliefs is not bigotry.

If you need to learn more about atheism I can provide some helpful links.

[George II]

102. Thanks for the offer, beamie, but I really don't need advice or links from someone.....

.....who has repeatedly expressed his intolerance, disgust, and disdain for Catholics, Protestants, Muslims, Jews, etc.

As a believer, I don't care to be lectured by someone who is anti-Christian, anti-Catholic, anti-Muslim, and anti-Semitic.

You have your beliefs (or lack of....), I have mine..so be it.

[beam me up scottie]

105. Link to my "anti-Christian, anti-Catholic, anti-Muslim, and anti-Semitic" posts?

Apparently you don't understand atheism if you believe that opposing bigoted and harmful religious beliefs and religious bigots is bigotry.

Religious fundamentalists are misogynistic, homophobic, and intolerant of other religious people, speaking out against them is one of my favourite things in the whole world.

To call that bigotry is like saying that opposing racism and racists is bigotry.

[merrily]

119. Guess the claim was all mirrors and smoke screens?

[beam me up scottie]

120. I admit that I am extremely vocal about religious bigots.

My journal has a sampling of ops that explain exactly why. I am intolerant of intolerant beliefs and intolerant people. Religion to me is no different than any other ideology, if it's bigoted it needs to be criticized as often and as loudly as possible.

[Behind the Aegis]

126. You aren't remotely anti-Semitic.

I am saying it because it is true and because, well, I don't like to see you accused of something you are clearly not!

[beam me up scottie]

128. Thank you for saying that!

And if anyone would know it's you.

[Behind the Aegis]

129. Which is why I said it!

[JTFrog]

123. FYI:

On Thu Jan 28, 2016, 10:41 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Thanks for the offer, beamie, but I really don't need advice or links from someone.....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1087371

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

I don't even know where to begin with this post.

In no uncertan terms this poster is calling another DU member "anti-Christian, anti-Catholic, anti-Muslim, and anti-Semitic." and claims they have "...intolerance, disgust, and disdain for Catholics, Protestants, Muslims, Jews, etc."

This is a blatant personal attack, accusing another member of bigotry is over the top.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Jan 28, 2016, 10:50 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: He should have done this with screen shots but we are all familiar with the tactics of the poster he is responding to. Enough BMUS. You got into the mud now state your case and stop hiding behind the jury.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Poster was already bated into one hidden post in this thread. Funny comment in the subthread accusing this poster of "trying to prod you into a hide". Sure seems like someone came along and tried to prod someone into a hide alright. More than likely the person alerting on this guy's posts. Anyway, looks like the problem was already solved and I would hate to see someone get alert stalked into a time out.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[merrily]

93. Actually, it's been defined on this thread, in the OP and more than one reply.

Again, though, I can't help what you see or don't see or claim not to have seen. And the game is transparent and silly.

Keep on challenging the claims, though, rather than to condemning, or even discussing, religious bigotry, except to challenge a claim that it exists.

[betsuni]

100. I wanted to ask where on DU these bigoted posts are -- GD-P, one of the groups?

Naming the title of a thread where there are such comments wouldn't get a hide. But I knew this question would result in insults. The OP is accusing DUers of posting offensive remarks. I don't care for all the insults.

[840high]

125. I have alerted on some of

those posts. You see what you want to see.

[MisterP]

74. they're back to the old "AAs feel threatened/disrespected at Sanders rallies"

it's a goddamn grease fire of a campaign and I'm surprised they haven't hired smarter people

[merrily]

87. The person who "warms up his audiences is African American. BLM approved his racial justice platform

He is not keeping African Americans out of his rallies or saying negative things about them in his stump speech. And, contrary to things Ive read on DU, his stump speech has long included advocacy for African American rights and women's rights.

He cannot help who does or does not attend his rallies, nor have I heard of any instances of violence at his rallies. Beyond that, I can't speak to it. If people say they are uncomfortable, they may well be uncomfortable, given how African Americans have been treated in this country and are still being treated. I am not going contradict.

[Akamai]

76. My far better half was born in the same hospital Obama was

born in, Kapiolani Hospital in Hawaii, and graduated from the same school he did, Punahou. (I went there for the fourth through the eighth grade.)

I was born north of Honolulu in Kahuku.

But the idea that Obama is not eligible to be President is insulting. Maybe neither my wife or myself is eligible to be president -- we were born in Hawaii before it became a state (it became a state in 1959) -- but to deny Obama acknowledgement of the place of his birth strikes me as generally extremely racist. (Too damned many people invoke "plausible deniability" when they have racist motives.)

Gotta tell you, in general we love Obama, but we really, really like Bernie!

And we and all of our friends will vote for the winner of the democratic primary no matter what!!

[merrily]

98. Yes, birtherism is bigotry, period, when someone is born in the US, as was Obama.

How cool it must have been to be in Hawaii when it became a state! And how cool it must be to live in such a diverse state, let alone the beauty of the state itself, the weather, the customs, the language, the dances. Sigh.

I was born in one of the 13 original colonies, so I could never experience any of those things.

As a very little kid, I saw a luau on TV and wanted to taste that barbecue! I WILL get to Hawaii in the next few years. I promised myself. The redwood forest, too, which I also saw on TV at about that same time. Got to Egypt and Greece already. (Guess I spent too much time watching TV as a kid, LOL! Thanks, mom and dad!)

[liberal_at_heart]

91. It is absolutely shameful for Democrats to be acting like Republicans in this fashion.

I and many others have rightfully made comment that there is not much difference between the Republicans and the Reagan Democrats. With this kind of behavior I can't help but wonder when there won't be any difference at all between the two parties.

[The Wielding Truth]

94. See. I don't care what religion he does or doesn't practice. He's a good and smart guy.

[merrily]

99. Bernie sure is a good and smart guy. Couldn't agree more.

[retrowire]

104. Well clearly we have misinformants in our midsts. nt

[BeanMusical]

122. Kick and R

[Liberty Belle]

127. It could backfire.

If Bernie wins the nomination Hillary supporters or others who might have sat out the general could get angry enough at the anti-Semitism and lies to vote for Bernie.

I saw the anti-gay hate mobs persuade some people who were not particularly for gay marriage early on decide to stand up for it after seeing gays attacked at a gay pride parade, disturbed by the bigotry and violence far more than anything else.

[merrily]

133. The stuff thrown at Obama didn't cost him the primary or the general.

[ucrdem]

130. That's really inappropriate. nt