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mmonk

(52,589 posts)
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:08 PM Jan 2016

The claim that Bernie supporters are somewhat racist and misogynists is definitely a Clinton or

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Democratic Party strategy. I encountered it on Facebook as well. They almost seem anti-economic security as they say it doesn't matter so much. I just wanted to post this here in case Bernie supporters think it's just a DU thing. However, I'm thinking independent when this thing is over. I've never been called or insinuated I'm uncaring about those issues before. I don't like it nor see any reason to put up with it any longer. Life's too short.

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The claim that Bernie supporters are somewhat racist and misogynists is definitely a Clinton or (Original Post) mmonk Jan 2016 OP
Yes, will vote for Bernie in primary & general, then will switch to independent myself peacebird Jan 2016 #1
I have always been independent. I registered that way in 1979. CBGLuthier Jan 2016 #2
. DURHAM D Jan 2016 #3
Does that refer to your candidate? How perceptive! sadoldgirl Jan 2016 #6
I'll bring that up to the Rev Barber in my next email since I'm a member of NCNAACP. mmonk Jan 2016 #9
Good DURHAM D Jan 2016 #16
+1000 Starry Messenger Jan 2016 #15
When you are accustomed to oppression, oppression Zorra Jan 2016 #44
I will always remain a member of the Democratic Party. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #4
Strategy? pandr32 Jan 2016 #5
And sometimes it's just a damn lie MissDeeds Jan 2016 #8
They will do anything to distract from the issues Doctor_J Jan 2016 #7
^This!^ SoapBox Jan 2016 #19
Her supporters NEVER want to talk about the issues, it seems. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #28
Uh, no, she is not "far closer to JEB on the issues". It's ludicrous and ill-informed to say that. Tanuki Jan 2016 #45
It is unbelievably counterproductive -- and too prevalent to not be pushed in some organized way karynnj Jan 2016 #10
Nope they have not stopped to think and that is one of the jwirr Jan 2016 #13
They are fighting the campaign they're in now. They'll worry about the next one if it gets here. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #20
Yup, the Golden Calf religion of greed. jwirr Jan 2016 #43
I haven't come across that one yet. Racist? You know, the other side is whispering about jillan Jan 2016 #11
Awhile back RobertEarl Jan 2016 #14
There are many racist Bernie supporters here. murielm99 Jan 2016 #22
No there wasn't much. RobertEarl Jan 2016 #23
Convenient blindness. murielm99 Jan 2016 #25
You should get glasses? RobertEarl Jan 2016 #26
"Wait for the anti-semitism"? From Sanders supporters? Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #27
Conspiracy! DanTex Jan 2016 #12
Is it adrenaline that drives you? Explain the pleasure you derive from dumping on people. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #21
I'll be leaving the Democratic Party also. Zorra Jan 2016 #17
When (ok, if) Bernie wins we will have our party back dreamnightwind Jan 2016 #18
i only joined this damn party because of Bernie. nt retrowire Jan 2016 #24
I never thought it was a DU thing. I was always suspicious that a lot of those attacks come Cleita Jan 2016 #29
And whose strategy is it ... NanceGreggs Jan 2016 #30
FYI, Nance. Watch your back. Surya Gayatri Jan 2016 #32
Thanks for the heads-up. NanceGreggs Jan 2016 #34
Hard to believe the anti-Democratic Party bias that's allowed to stand on DEMOCRATIC Underground. Surya Gayatri Jan 2016 #36
Thanks for the kind words! NanceGreggs Jan 2016 #38
Afraid I don't have your fortitude. My BP and mental tranquility are too easily affected. Surya Gayatri Jan 2016 #40
Wow! Really? Smh. nt ecstatic Jan 2016 #35
Sadly, yes. It's come to this... Surya Gayatri Jan 2016 #37
It's disgusting how much Bernie supporters have been attacked jfern Jan 2016 #31
If she wins the nomination they'll be talking about how great Bernie supporters Bernblu Jan 2016 #33
Thanks so much for telling people ... NanceGreggs Jan 2016 #39
So, it's a case of "F U and do what you're told". Half-Century Man Jan 2016 #41
I'm really not sure ... NanceGreggs Jan 2016 #47
Bernblu, we "understand" everything. Hortensis Jan 2016 #53
They are doing that because she has a long history of opposing civil rights for LGBT on the basis of Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #42
and Sanders opposed marriage equality because it was inconvenient dsc Jan 2016 #50
Yes and no... Dems2002 Jan 2016 #46
It's insulting to those of us who choose to NOT follow the party anointed. Avalux Jan 2016 #48
Actually, neither Hillary not the Democratic Party told me that. yardwork Jan 2016 #49
The Democratic party abandoned most of us during the 1980's.... villager Jan 2016 #51
Yep. It was a goddamned carpet bombing. It was very obviously astroturfed as a campaign tactic. GoneFishin Jan 2016 #52
They call people racist and misogynist making them among the worst people in the world but Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #54
It could also be Republican astroturf in an effort to divide us Oilwellian Jan 2016 #55

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
2. I have always been independent. I registered that way in 1979.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:13 PM
Jan 2016

Always bent left of course, unlike a certain presidential candidate I will not name, but never saw a reason to support a party.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
44. When you are accustomed to oppression, oppression
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:59 PM
Jan 2016

feels like equality.

Kind of like Stockholm Syndrome, when someone desires and votes to maintain the status quo establishment that is oppressing them.

"I'm oppressed, so I'll vote for the corporatist status quo 1% candidate who is on record in many instances as clearly having been my my active oppressor in the past."

How does that make any sense at all?

pandr32

(11,447 posts)
5. Strategy?
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:19 PM
Jan 2016

How about plain old disappointment for some, and for those who suffer because of racism or misogyny--outrage. Everything isn't some kind of conspiracy or tactic. Sometimes, it is just the truth.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
7. They will do anything to distract from the issues
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:24 PM
Jan 2016

Hillary is far closer to JEB! On the issues than she is to Sanders, and so namecalling and unprovable assertions are the basis of her campaign

karynnj

(59,475 posts)
10. It is unbelievably counterproductive -- and too prevalent to not be pushed in some organized way
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:42 PM
Jan 2016

The fact is HRC is still the most likely nominee. Have they stopped to think for one minute that they are smearing the very people very need to bring out to vote for her if she is the nominee. Any Sanders supporter who feels that people like Brock and others have smeared not just Bernie Sanders, but them personally might be harder to get out to vote for someone they a year ago were grudgingly willing to vote for in spite of grave reservations. Really smart!

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
13. Nope they have not stopped to think and that is one of the
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:52 PM
Jan 2016

biggest issues in this campaign. Or I should say in the general election.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
20. They are fighting the campaign they're in now. They'll worry about the next one if it gets here.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:50 AM
Jan 2016

Like the moneymen they represent, they only see the short game. It's why they trade short term profits for long term security. It's their fucking religion.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
11. I haven't come across that one yet. Racist? You know, the other side is whispering about
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:47 PM
Jan 2016

Bernie's religion.....

I don't even think I want to know where this Bernie Supporters are Racist bs is coming from.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
14. Awhile back
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:59 AM
Jan 2016

When the BLM was in the news, I and quite a few others were attacked on DU, the attackers claiming we were racist. It shut them down pretty well when we pointed out we all campaigned for Obama in 2008.

murielm99

(30,657 posts)
22. There are many racist Bernie supporters here.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:03 AM
Jan 2016

When there are comments about Stockholm Syndrome, nasty smears and alert stalking of POC in the AA group, complete befuddlement that POC think for themselves, and attacks on BLM protesters, yes, I would say there is a lot of racism among Bernie supporters.

I have seen it IRL as an activist, too. It does not surprise me any more.

And if, by some miracle Bernie does win the nomination, wait for the anti-Semitism. Not all of it will come from the other side.

Liberals can be racist. But the level of it from Bernie supporters on DU is stunning.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
27. "Wait for the anti-semitism"? From Sanders supporters?
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:18 AM
Jan 2016

Not only is the guy himself Jewish, odds are he's going to be running against a GOP candidate who has a 100% approval rating from "Aryan Neo-Nazi pindicks of America". How does that even work?



So, no, i wont hold my breath for some imaginary torrent of anti-semitism from Sanders' people, any more than I have gotten bent out of shape by these completely artificial, manufactured memes about how his supporters are some hotbed of racist misogynist white male pathology argle barge yargle.

And again, all this nonsense has EVER pointed up is, that obviously HILLARY CANNOT RUN ON THE ISSUES.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
18. When (ok, if) Bernie wins we will have our party back
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:28 AM
Jan 2016

but I definitely hear you. Corporatists/centrists suck, and it's why so few people vote or participate in any way in politics, they are usually given only corporatist 1 or corporatist 2 to choose from, then they get sold out by the person they voted for.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
29. I never thought it was a DU thing. I was always suspicious that a lot of those attacks come
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:28 AM
Jan 2016

out of corporate DINO think tanks because it doesn't make sense for Bernie people to be that way. I don't know any Bernie people in real life or on DU who think that way. I feel that they have infiltrated here and other places planting these ideas for the weak minded to run with. Our local Bernie campaign coordinator was on the radio with a local host yesterday and she had to field questions about this and other accusations made by Republicans against Bernie. So it's coming from a coordinated under the radar campaign to discredit him by slandering his followers as being some kind of racist, misogynist scum.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
30. And whose strategy is it ...
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:53 AM
Jan 2016

... that claims that HRC supporters are corporatists, water-carriers for the 1%, Third Wayers, DINOs, Republican-lites, status quo adherents, etc.?

Whose strategy is it that leads people to post vile, disgusting comments on the FaceBook pages of any Democrat who has endorsed Hillary?

Whose strategy is it that throws ANY Democrat who refuses to support BS under the bus?

Whose strategy is it that declares any Democrat who supports HRC is a sell-out who's been bought-and-paid-for?

Whose strategy is it that states that a vote for HRC is a vote for Goldman Sachs, a vote for endless wars, a vote for anti-progressive values and goals?

Whose strategy is it that calls organizations like Planned Parenthood part of "the Establishment" that should be targeted and fought against?

Whose strategy is it that centrist Democrats should be shunned, and forced out of the Party if they don't change their views?

Whose strategy is it that suggests that women only support HRC because she IS a woman - and for no other reason?

Whose strategy is it that promotes the idea that a non-Democrat - who has spent his entire political career demeaning the Party - is better than any real Democrat to lead the Party he has so openly despised?

Get a fuckin' grip.

As for your declaration that you'll be leaving the Party to go Independent - well, it's not like you'll be missed. We'll soldier on without you, and try not mourn your absence too much.


 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
32. FYI, Nance. Watch your back.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 03:22 AM
Jan 2016

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NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
34. Thanks for the heads-up.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 03:43 AM
Jan 2016

Sadly, I am always watching my back these days - because a Democrat who supports the Democratic front-runner has to be careful what they say on this Democratic-supporting site.

And truth be told, getting another time-out - and not being able to post here as a result - is No. 973,873,422 on the list of the most horrible things that could happen to me.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
36. Hard to believe the anti-Democratic Party bias that's allowed to stand on DEMOCRATIC Underground.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 03:50 AM
Jan 2016

RW trolling gone mad.

Stay safe! Your insight is invaluable.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
38. Thanks for the kind words!
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 03:57 AM
Jan 2016

It isn't MY insight that's invaluable - it's the insight of all of those who still post here, despite being disparaged for being Democrats.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
40. Afraid I don't have your fortitude. My BP and mental tranquility are too easily affected.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 04:21 AM
Jan 2016

And, yes, kudos to all of you who swim against the prevailing DU current--who risk virtual life and limb by posting ANYTHING remotely positive about HRC.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
31. It's disgusting how much Bernie supporters have been attacked
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 03:03 AM
Jan 2016

And it's a piss poor strategy if Hillary wants our votes in the general election. I expect Hillary to go more right-wing (well really stop pretending to be at all liberal) in the general election, so it's not like she'll be doing a damn thing to earn our votes.

Bernblu

(441 posts)
33. If she wins the nomination they'll be talking about how great Bernie supporters
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 03:40 AM
Jan 2016

are and they'll be telling us we just have to vote for Hillary because of the big bad Trump.

What they don't understand that this is a battle for the heart and soul of the Democratic Party and the middle class. And if Bernie loses the Democratic Party will be finished, if not in 2016 then in 2020. Even if HIllary wins she will be a deeply unpopular president because she will do squat for the middle class. The Democrats will lose big in 2018 and she will lose in 2020.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
39. Thanks so much for telling people ...
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 04:10 AM
Jan 2016

... on DemocraticUnderground that the Party will be "finished" if you don't get your own way. I'm sure everyone is shaking in their boots now.

I am 67, and have heard the phrase "a battle for the heart and soul of the Democratic Party" in every election since I was a kid.

"If she wins the nomination they'll be talking about how great Bernie supporters are and they'll be telling us we just have to vote for Hillary because of the big bad Trump."

Uh, no, we won't. When HRC is declared the nominee, her supporters will not be begging BS supporters for their votes.

If you don't want to see a GOP elected POTUS, you'll vote for the Democrat in November. If you'd rather sit on the sidelines and not vote, that's up to you. Either way, no one is going to come a-courtin', asking for your hand.

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
41. So, it's a case of "F U and do what you're told".
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 07:50 AM
Jan 2016

"Doing something different from what has gotten us into this economic mess is bad".

Got it.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
47. I'm really not sure ...
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 10:28 PM
Jan 2016

... how saying, "If you don't want to see a GOP elected POTUS, you'll vote for the Democrat in November. If you'd rather sit on the sidelines and not vote, that's up to you" equates to "FU and do what you're told".

In fact, I've said the exact opposite; you can do whatever the fuck you want - vote for the Democrat or not in November.

Just be aware that no one is the least bit interested in beggin' the Bernistas for votes. You can vote for the Dem or not - no big deal, really.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
53. Bernblu, we "understand" everything.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 08:08 AM
Jan 2016

And more. That's because we tend to be flexible intellectually and open to different ideas. That's where the "more" comes from -- all the legitimate information we don't reject out of hand because we don't like it.

It's a liberal thing.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
42. They are doing that because she has a long history of opposing civil rights for LGBT on the basis of
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 10:06 AM
Jan 2016

her profound dedication to New Testament Christianity. She's on record saying really shitty things for years on end. So of course they have to accuse others of being that thing, that 'The Lord tells me I am superior to those people' thing.

Hillary Clinton should have thought about wanting my vote someday when she held tight to her anti gay bellowing. When she went to Rick Warren's Church to praise Rick, that was it for me. That man openly berates LGBT, calls us pedophiles and says it is like incest. Calls us criminals. She lavished praise on him. Heaped it on his head in his own house. She expressed affection for him that she has never shown to the LGBT community.

dsc

(52,130 posts)
50. and Sanders opposed marriage equality because it was inconvenient
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:03 PM
Jan 2016

until after his state enacted it without a bit of help from him. He also praised Falwell at his university but that was OK for reasons.

Dems2002

(509 posts)
46. Yes and no...
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 07:25 PM
Jan 2016

Check my posts to understand that I am a passionate Bernie supporter. However, some of the actions of Bernie's supporters post Netroots Nation and the Seattle event were blatantly racist and embarrassing.

Now, Clinton is exploiting this because her only hope of winning is by maintaining the black vote. I'm going to fume but I'm not going to throw stones at Clinton for this tactic.

But I damn well am going to throw stones at her supporters for ignoring the planks in their own eyes.

White Democrats and Progressives have been living in a fantasy world where we aren't racist. Wake up. We are. And rather than point fingers at each other, let's start recognizing our white privilege, our whitesplaining, our white flight, our white reactions to African Americans walking around in their own communities and calling the freaking cops on them!

Personally, I celebrated the backlash against the bernie bros because we've spent way too long thinking our shit doesn't stink since we get to point to the "real" racists waving confederate flags.

We all stink. It's time to admit it as our first step to a better country that truly understands and believes that black lives do matter.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
48. It's insulting to those of us who choose to NOT follow the party anointed.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 10:33 PM
Jan 2016

They talk about Bernie supporters as if we're stupid and rude, like cavemen or something.

I've been part of the Democratic Party my entire adult life and have been proud of it, but now I'm seriously wondering what the hell is going on with the leadership. Disappointing to say the least.

I'm tired of the "you should support Hillary because you're a woman, and we need a woman president" argument. I'm a woman, and I can think for myself.

I always thought Republicans were one-issue voters but I guess I was wrong.

yardwork

(61,418 posts)
49. Actually, neither Hillary not the Democratic Party told me that.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 10:47 PM
Jan 2016

I've noticed with my own eyes that a lot of Bernie supporters post misogynistic and racist things.

Not all, of course.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
51. The Democratic party abandoned most of us during the 1980's....
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:07 PM
Jan 2016

...when the craven caving in to Reagan began....

With only a couple exceptions here and there, it hasn't gotten better...

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
54. They call people racist and misogynist making them among the worst people in the world but
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 08:51 AM
Jan 2016

if Clinton carries the nomination they will wish those very same people they claim are racist and misogynist will join their camp.

They're effectively saying, "I sure hope we can secure the KKK and MRA vote for the general election."

What does that say about them?

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
55. It could also be Republican astroturf in an effort to divide us
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:16 AM
Jan 2016

and Hillary supporters are being played.

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