2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe claim that Bernie supporters are somewhat racist and misogynists is definitely a Clinton or
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Democratic Party strategy. I encountered it on Facebook as well. They almost seem anti-economic security as they say it doesn't matter so much. I just wanted to post this here in case Bernie supporters think it's just a DU thing. However, I'm thinking independent when this thing is over. I've never been called or insinuated I'm uncaring about those issues before. I don't like it nor see any reason to put up with it any longer. Life's too short.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)Always bent left of course, unlike a certain presidential candidate I will not name, but never saw a reason to support a party.
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)mmonk
(52,589 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)feels like equality.
Kind of like Stockholm Syndrome, when someone desires and votes to maintain the status quo establishment that is oppressing them.
"I'm oppressed, so I'll vote for the corporatist status quo 1% candidate who is on record in many instances as clearly having been my my active oppressor in the past."
How does that make any sense at all?
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)pandr32
(11,447 posts)How about plain old disappointment for some, and for those who suffer because of racism or misogyny--outrage. Everything isn't some kind of conspiracy or tactic. Sometimes, it is just the truth.
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Hillary is far closer to JEB! On the issues than she is to Sanders, and so namecalling and unprovable assertions are the basis of her campaign
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Pretty transparent.
Tanuki
(14,893 posts)karynnj
(59,475 posts)The fact is HRC is still the most likely nominee. Have they stopped to think for one minute that they are smearing the very people very need to bring out to vote for her if she is the nominee. Any Sanders supporter who feels that people like Brock and others have smeared not just Bernie Sanders, but them personally might be harder to get out to vote for someone they a year ago were grudgingly willing to vote for in spite of grave reservations. Really smart!
jwirr
(39,215 posts)biggest issues in this campaign. Or I should say in the general election.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Like the moneymen they represent, they only see the short game. It's why they trade short term profits for long term security. It's their fucking religion.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)Bernie's religion.....
I don't even think I want to know where this Bernie Supporters are Racist bs is coming from.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)When the BLM was in the news, I and quite a few others were attacked on DU, the attackers claiming we were racist. It shut them down pretty well when we pointed out we all campaigned for Obama in 2008.
murielm99
(30,657 posts)When there are comments about Stockholm Syndrome, nasty smears and alert stalking of POC in the AA group, complete befuddlement that POC think for themselves, and attacks on BLM protesters, yes, I would say there is a lot of racism among Bernie supporters.
I have seen it IRL as an activist, too. It does not surprise me any more.
And if, by some miracle Bernie does win the nomination, wait for the anti-Semitism. Not all of it will come from the other side.
Liberals can be racist. But the level of it from Bernie supporters on DU is stunning.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)murielm99
(30,657 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Not only is the guy himself Jewish, odds are he's going to be running against a GOP candidate who has a 100% approval rating from "Aryan Neo-Nazi pindicks of America". How does that even work?
So, no, i wont hold my breath for some imaginary torrent of anti-semitism from Sanders' people, any more than I have gotten bent out of shape by these completely artificial, manufactured memes about how his supporters are some hotbed of racist misogynist white male pathology argle barge yargle.
And again, all this nonsense has EVER pointed up is, that obviously HILLARY CANNOT RUN ON THE ISSUES.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)For the same reasons posted in the OP.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)but I definitely hear you. Corporatists/centrists suck, and it's why so few people vote or participate in any way in politics, they are usually given only corporatist 1 or corporatist 2 to choose from, then they get sold out by the person they voted for.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)out of corporate DINO think tanks because it doesn't make sense for Bernie people to be that way. I don't know any Bernie people in real life or on DU who think that way. I feel that they have infiltrated here and other places planting these ideas for the weak minded to run with. Our local Bernie campaign coordinator was on the radio with a local host yesterday and she had to field questions about this and other accusations made by Republicans against Bernie. So it's coming from a coordinated under the radar campaign to discredit him by slandering his followers as being some kind of racist, misogynist scum.
NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)... that claims that HRC supporters are corporatists, water-carriers for the 1%, Third Wayers, DINOs, Republican-lites, status quo adherents, etc.?
Whose strategy is it that leads people to post vile, disgusting comments on the FaceBook pages of any Democrat who has endorsed Hillary?
Whose strategy is it that throws ANY Democrat who refuses to support BS under the bus?
Whose strategy is it that declares any Democrat who supports HRC is a sell-out who's been bought-and-paid-for?
Whose strategy is it that states that a vote for HRC is a vote for Goldman Sachs, a vote for endless wars, a vote for anti-progressive values and goals?
Whose strategy is it that calls organizations like Planned Parenthood part of "the Establishment" that should be targeted and fought against?
Whose strategy is it that centrist Democrats should be shunned, and forced out of the Party if they don't change their views?
Whose strategy is it that suggests that women only support HRC because she IS a woman - and for no other reason?
Whose strategy is it that promotes the idea that a non-Democrat - who has spent his entire political career demeaning the Party - is better than any real Democrat to lead the Party he has so openly despised?
Get a fuckin' grip.
As for your declaration that you'll be leaving the Party to go Independent - well, it's not like you'll be missed. We'll soldier on without you, and try not mourn your absence too much.
Surya Gayatri
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NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)Sadly, I am always watching my back these days - because a Democrat who supports the Democratic front-runner has to be careful what they say on this Democratic-supporting site.
And truth be told, getting another time-out - and not being able to post here as a result - is No. 973,873,422 on the list of the most horrible things that could happen to me.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)RW trolling gone mad.
Stay safe! Your insight is invaluable.
NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)It isn't MY insight that's invaluable - it's the insight of all of those who still post here, despite being disparaged for being Democrats.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)And, yes, kudos to all of you who swim against the prevailing DU current--who risk virtual life and limb by posting ANYTHING remotely positive about HRC.
ecstatic
(32,567 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)And it's a piss poor strategy if Hillary wants our votes in the general election. I expect Hillary to go more right-wing (well really stop pretending to be at all liberal) in the general election, so it's not like she'll be doing a damn thing to earn our votes.
Bernblu
(441 posts)are and they'll be telling us we just have to vote for Hillary because of the big bad Trump.
What they don't understand that this is a battle for the heart and soul of the Democratic Party and the middle class. And if Bernie loses the Democratic Party will be finished, if not in 2016 then in 2020. Even if HIllary wins she will be a deeply unpopular president because she will do squat for the middle class. The Democrats will lose big in 2018 and she will lose in 2020.
NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)... on DemocraticUnderground that the Party will be "finished" if you don't get your own way. I'm sure everyone is shaking in their boots now.
I am 67, and have heard the phrase "a battle for the heart and soul of the Democratic Party" in every election since I was a kid.
"If she wins the nomination they'll be talking about how great Bernie supporters are and they'll be telling us we just have to vote for Hillary because of the big bad Trump."
Uh, no, we won't. When HRC is declared the nominee, her supporters will not be begging BS supporters for their votes.
If you don't want to see a GOP elected POTUS, you'll vote for the Democrat in November. If you'd rather sit on the sidelines and not vote, that's up to you. Either way, no one is going to come a-courtin', asking for your hand.
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)"Doing something different from what has gotten us into this economic mess is bad".
Got it.
NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)... how saying, "If you don't want to see a GOP elected POTUS, you'll vote for the Democrat in November. If you'd rather sit on the sidelines and not vote, that's up to you" equates to "FU and do what you're told".
In fact, I've said the exact opposite; you can do whatever the fuck you want - vote for the Democrat or not in November.
Just be aware that no one is the least bit interested in beggin' the Bernistas for votes. You can vote for the Dem or not - no big deal, really.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)And more. That's because we tend to be flexible intellectually and open to different ideas. That's where the "more" comes from -- all the legitimate information we don't reject out of hand because we don't like it.
It's a liberal thing.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)her profound dedication to New Testament Christianity. She's on record saying really shitty things for years on end. So of course they have to accuse others of being that thing, that 'The Lord tells me I am superior to those people' thing.
Hillary Clinton should have thought about wanting my vote someday when she held tight to her anti gay bellowing. When she went to Rick Warren's Church to praise Rick, that was it for me. That man openly berates LGBT, calls us pedophiles and says it is like incest. Calls us criminals. She lavished praise on him. Heaped it on his head in his own house. She expressed affection for him that she has never shown to the LGBT community.
dsc
(52,130 posts)until after his state enacted it without a bit of help from him. He also praised Falwell at his university but that was OK for reasons.
Dems2002
(509 posts)Check my posts to understand that I am a passionate Bernie supporter. However, some of the actions of Bernie's supporters post Netroots Nation and the Seattle event were blatantly racist and embarrassing.
Now, Clinton is exploiting this because her only hope of winning is by maintaining the black vote. I'm going to fume but I'm not going to throw stones at Clinton for this tactic.
But I damn well am going to throw stones at her supporters for ignoring the planks in their own eyes.
White Democrats and Progressives have been living in a fantasy world where we aren't racist. Wake up. We are. And rather than point fingers at each other, let's start recognizing our white privilege, our whitesplaining, our white flight, our white reactions to African Americans walking around in their own communities and calling the freaking cops on them!
Personally, I celebrated the backlash against the bernie bros because we've spent way too long thinking our shit doesn't stink since we get to point to the "real" racists waving confederate flags.
We all stink. It's time to admit it as our first step to a better country that truly understands and believes that black lives do matter.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)They talk about Bernie supporters as if we're stupid and rude, like cavemen or something.
I've been part of the Democratic Party my entire adult life and have been proud of it, but now I'm seriously wondering what the hell is going on with the leadership. Disappointing to say the least.
I'm tired of the "you should support Hillary because you're a woman, and we need a woman president" argument. I'm a woman, and I can think for myself.
I always thought Republicans were one-issue voters but I guess I was wrong.
yardwork
(61,418 posts)I've noticed with my own eyes that a lot of Bernie supporters post misogynistic and racist things.
Not all, of course.
villager
(26,001 posts)...when the craven caving in to Reagan began....
With only a couple exceptions here and there, it hasn't gotten better...
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)if Clinton carries the nomination they will wish those very same people they claim are racist and misogynist will join their camp.
They're effectively saying, "I sure hope we can secure the KKK and MRA vote for the general election."
What does that say about them?
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)and Hillary supporters are being played.