Will 9 GOP Governors Electronically Flip Romney Into the White House?

[buzzman]

http://truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/item/17529-will-9-gop-governors-electronically-flip-romney-into-the-white-house

[RobertEarl]

1. It could happen

With just a few clicks of a mouse.

""But computers don't lie, do they?""

[theKed]

14. Computers don't lie

But people programming them sure as shit can.

[RobertEarl]

15. Who does the programming?

Surely the programmers are closely regulated? And the computer programs examined for bad code?

[theKed]

16. Well, presumably

But who's doing the over-sight? I honestly don't know a lot about the actual situation of creating and verifying electronic polls. My point was that computers can only do what they're programmed to do. And with thousands and thousands of lines of code, it's not too difficult to conceive a few lines slipping through the over-sight cracks.

[ailsagirl]

19. Remember how whoever-it-was-who-did-the-coding refused to show the code?

I'm suddenly remembering that. And they never did, if I recall.

[RobertEarl]

21. Sarasota, Florida, 2006

There were 16,000 democratic votes missing and a republican won the congressional race.

A judge ruled that the company who wrote the code, ES&S, could refuse to allow an examination of the code.

[ailsagirl]

22. Thanks for filling in the details

Maybe I deliberately repressed the memory, it was so scary.

[riverbendviewgal]

2. sounds scary

[fun n serious]

3. They've don it before

[Jennicut]

4. If Romney is behind plus 12 in PA per all the polls then suddenly wins it

I seriously doubt anyone would really buy it. It needs to be close enough to steal to begin with. GOTV is very, very important.

[Generic Brad]

5. I strongly doubt it

If the polls were close they would probably try to force a few. But the gap is so wide they could not get reasonably get away with it.

[brooklynite]

6. Why bother?

Since the EVIL CONSPIRACY can electronically change all the voting machines, there's no need to lie about the results, right?

[flamingdem]

7. Thank god for polls nt

[Kennah]

8. If the polls were close, I would worry

Although, if they did it, the reaction that I would expect makes me worry.

[SoonerPride]

9. and what reaction would you expect?

???

[Kennah]

10. A repeat of 2000

[smorkingapple]

11. Stop this shit.... Please.. Let's not go 9/11 Truther before the election now...

Exit polls, one person leaking, too much has to go right for them to steal an election of this size across multiple states and get away with it.... This is not feasible... Even if they tried this Obama has paths to re-election.

[RobertEarl]

17. Funny about exit polls

The last few elections showed that votes were not counted and/or votes were counted wrong.

Do you know how most votes in the US are counted?

[ailsagirl]

20. It IS feasible and it happened in 2004 when Kerry was winning Ohio and suddenly the numbers flipped

I've got lots of threads if you're interested.

[Onlooker]

12. There is no value to this subject

Since there's nothing we can do about it, we have to hope that that faith in democracy makes people do the right thing. This conspiracy theory serves no other purpose than to create dismay.

At any rate, if any individuals are involved in stealing the election, they should be tried for treason. There is no greater threat than the threat to democracy.

[fujiyama]

13. Why didn't it happen in FL last time? Wasn't it GOP controlled?

Voter suppression is a key problem and caution and diligence is vital (especially for the Obama campaign's legal staff), but paranoia just leads to blatant cynicism.

I'm pretty sure there were a few other states in the list that had GOP governors in '08...

[ailsagirl]

18. It was done in 2004 by (the LATE) Mike Connell

This is what scares me more than anything.

[TroyD]

23. But WHY is this allowed to go on?! In the year 2012?!

Why don't the public demonstrate in the thousands that it is time to change the antiquated voting system in America?

The laws must be changed across the country to prevent Secretaries of State, (and their Governors and Attorneys General) from having the power to control ballots, voting hours & machines. This allows biased, partisan individuals who serve their parties rather than the country, to control the elections process.

How can America allow something like this to go on and yet feel it has the moral authority to monitor elections in 3rd-world countries?

Don't most other Western countries have INDEPENDENT Electoral commissions that run the elections, rather than allowing members of a biased political party to have its hands in the cookie jar?

[ailsagirl]

24. New book: Boss Rove

might answer some of those questions. KR has got to be America's most fiendish, amoral, diabolical political bastard. There's *nothing* he wouldn't do to get his way. Like a mob boss on steroids.

[liam_laddie]

28. I fully agree w/u...

Being a resident of Cincinnati (which went Kerry like 60% or something, IIRC) I followed this theft very closely. Ken Blackwell, SoS at the time, ought to be indicted! The lawsuit over this is still active,
I believe. Be vigilant...

[Kteachums]

25. Obama is going to win this thing and we have to make sure!!!

[longship]

26. Yet another "They're gonna steal it" thread?

These get tiring.

No DUrec for you.

[Pbs1914]

27. They already stole it

Twice.

Nothing unusual about the swing states or deep blue states suddenly being led by Republican Governors who oversee the vote tallies. Yep, Good thing we have a Democratic Governor in Mississippi, Georgia, and South Carolina. Oh right, only deep blue states magically get Red Governors.. nothing to see here... yep. Good thing we have those foxes in charge to guard the hen houses. Being concerned about those foxes get tiresome...

[longship]

30. RUN AROUND!!! Run around with our hair on fire!

They're gonna steal it again!!!!!
They're gonna steal it again!!!!!
They're gonna steal it again!!!!!

ARRRRRGH! I can't stand it any more because it's hopeless!!!!!

Big time and ridicule of patently ridiculous conspiracy conjectures based on crap.

If you actually believe this, you'd better damned get to work on GOTV. The Obama ground game is overwhelming Romney's. Get thee to your local OFA headquarters and do your part. That way they won't be able to... as you term it... steal it.

Put up, or shut up.

Sick of this steal it shit. It's rubbish.

[Pbs1914]

31. I'd rather be proactive

...than reactive...

[ailsagirl]

32. I recommend, longship, that you don't read threads whose subject is voter fraud

No reason to berate those who see voter/election fraud as a serious problem. Voter/election fraud is as old as the hills.

[longship]

34. No! I just reject people who see voter fraud everywhere.

Like McCathy's Reds under the Bed.

Any metric of voter fraud shows that it is minimal, trivial even. Yes! We all know about 2000 in FL, and 2004 in OH!!! But those were very close elections.

This year there are not very many close elections, no matter how Romney and his ilk spin it. They can put up as many unskewed poll sites as they want and it will not change the fact that President Obama is going to win -- easily!

But, what we all have to do here on Democratic Underground is understand that to insure our victory -- all of us -- we have to work our tails off to make sure that President Obama:

A. Gets reelected.

B. Has both a Senate and a House of Representatives with which he can work.

Notice, my friend, that if you fucking work for A and B, They're gonna steal it hair on fire situation doesn't happen.

QED.

Get to work and stop those negative waves, Moriarity.

[Pbs1914]

38. Are you a plant or something

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251111501

Here you are quieting the "crazies" on another thread.

Shhhh nothing to see here, move along folks....

insane

[Pbs1914]

29. Republicans whine about everything

Anything and everything, from the librul media to phony polls. Any kind of advantage that they think the democrats could, would, or might havematter how slight... or nuanced, they trumpet from the mountaintop and is the daily talking point. But silence on the electronic voting machines. Rush says nothing? Hannity says nothing about it? Fox news isn't running potential electronic voting fraud? No one on the right even mentions it all. The machines dont even exist right. Out of sight, out of mind...

THAT ALONE SHOULD BE A RED FLAG. All we have IS the polls. If they contract mysteriously close to the election based on some trumped up and manufactured situation (willie Horton), a side deal (ending paris peace talks/nixon), keeping the hostages in Beirut till after the election (Reagan), a one liner (I won't use my age against my opponent/reagan) thats supposed to be earth shattering.. and that's all they need to get the polls split enough that Rassmussen and Gallup can put Romney above and with the aggregate lead only being 1-2%.

And when it gets that close they can say "well the exit polls were wrong." And thats that. The exit polls were wrong... again....

And what is being done to stop that?

[AverageJoe90]

33. They don't fucking care.

Funny thing is, exit polls were accurate, with almost no exceptions, all the way up 'till 2000, when Shrub, Jr. was elected.

The one bit of good news is that not only are people fired up, but Obama has stated that he will ready lawyers to combat voter suppression and theft.

[ailsagirl]

35. It happened in the 2004 election

in Ohio that the exit polls, at first trending for Kerry, suddenly flipped in w's favor. This was high-level manipulation, using servers. I don't have links off the top of my head, but I could certainly find some and post them here.

[AverageJoe90]

36. Please do!

The word has to get out. I'm just grateful to see that at least the President will be fighting this the whole way if he has to.

[Pbs1914]

39. Thats the whole thing(word getting out)

A few articles in mainstream sites have recently quoted DU. Can't everybody be the local representative (response to the longshore "moriarity" poster) of a district, but something like spreading word of mouth on facebook, with friends and relatives, on blogs etc. can begin to create more awareness of an issue or more attention to it. And this is the ULTIMATE issue right now IMO. Roaches hate having the light shined on them and so do republicans.

[ailsagirl]

40. Here are some links (some may be dupes-- sorry)

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7652

http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/12-mysterious-death-of-mike-connell%E2%80%94karl-roves-election-thief/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/25/the-intriguing-death-of-t_n_153518.html

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0601-34.htm

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[DFW]

37. They'd like to, but I don't think so this time.

My brother, who does secret high tech stuff for the defense department, told me "give me a decent laptop and a cell phone, and I'll make any of those electronic voting machines give any result you want." But there aren't ten thousand guys like my brother at the Republicans' beck and call.

I agree that Blackwell deserves a long prison term for Ohio 2004. So do a couple of people in Florida for what they did in 2000 (notice how much we all hear about Katherine Harris these days?).

Flipping elections is a possibility when it's close. Flipping elections when it's obvious is a dangerous game, especially when the opposing party has the Justice Department. Holder has been very conservative in making public cases about this, but DoJ does pursue electoral fraud, and this latest scam uncovered in Florida and Colorado might set some very interesting prosecutions in motion.