2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBrand Spanking New Iowa Poll-It is Clinton 48% Sanders 40% O'Malley 7%
PPP's new Iowa Democratic poll, conducted in partnership with Progress Iowa, continues to find Hillary Clinton holding a modest lead in the state. She's at 48% to 40% for Bernie Sanders and 7% for Martin O'Malley. There's been little movement since our last poll two and a half weeks ago- Clinton's support is up 2 points, O'Malley's is down 1, and Sanders is steady.
One thing that will likely cause things to tighten up on Monday night is that O'Malley's supporters are far more likely to move to Sanders than Clinton at the sites where he fails to meet the 15% threshold. 57% of O'Malley voters say Sanders is their second choice to only 27% who say it's Clinton. We found something similar on our last poll, when O'Malley voters said they'd pick Sanders over Clinton 43/20. So just based on the reallocation of O'Malley voters, Sanders can expect to make up a couple points of his deficit.
One finding on this poll that's encouraging for Clinton is that 88% of her voters say they're firmly committed to supporting her, compared to 74% who say the same for Sanders. When you look at the race just among voters who have completely made up their minds, Clinton's lead expands to 17 points at 56/39. Sanders is up 55/31 with folks who say they may yet change sides.
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/01/clinton-still-leads-iowa-omalley-backers-could-help-sanders.html
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)If Clinton gets the same amount of support, this could be close to a county by county landslide for her. It doesn't seem a lot of people are aware of how this works.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)I just want a win.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Far too many people read the main numbers and the analysis stops there. If there is any accuracy with the last couple of polls, which I'm not making the claim there is, it's huge for Clinton. If the same number of people show up on Monday night for Clinton and Sanders, I predict Clinton comes out of Iowa with more than a little win. That is me actually saying this is good even if Sanders has more than the polls are showing.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)pandr32
(11,553 posts)JudyM
(29,192 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)Anything that is worth saying once is worth saying twice.
book_worm
(15,951 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)But I will have to weigh her results against the aggregate, whatever she finds. That's the scientific approach and method.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)Nice cover
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Beacool
(30,247 posts)The important factor, more than actually winning or losing, is the delegate count. I think that Hillary will get a fair amount of pledged delegates, even if she loses the state. IA is more about the way the race will go than the actual importance of the caucus itself. Winning for Sanders makes him a viable candidate who will give Hillary a longer fight for the nomination. For Hillary a win means that Sanders can be put away sooner.
In the long run, I think that Hilary will prevail and be the nominee.
Nanjeanne
(4,915 posts)Which you have to click on the results link at bottom of article
I feel quite confident that Sanders is going to do great.
Breakdown shows 18-29 years only 16%. sanders sweet spot. But 46-65 is 39% and over 65 is 24%. Also demo is more weighted to female than male 58 to 42%. And 80% landlines and only 20% who had to use Internet to respond.
So as with all polling, demographics should be analyzed. I say it's one close race but certainly not any kind of surge for Clinton happening here.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)Madame, the 2008 Iowa exit polls indicate the gender breakdown was 57% Female/43% Male, ergo:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#IA
Nanjeanne
(4,915 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)My point . . . , madame, is you suggested the gender breakdown was anomalous. Thank you for allowing me to share with you the fact it wasn't.
With all due regards,
DemocratSinceBirth
Nanjeanne
(4,915 posts)I thought the Hillary supporters were convinced women supported Hillary more than Sanders. I tend to agree - thus the weight of this recent poll being more women than men is a factor when discussing . . . I don't know . . . maybe these two candidates?
And please stop with the condescending Madame.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)I regret that you find my polite salutations condescending. How would you like to be addressed?
If you refer to me as "Sir" I promise I will not take it as an affront as I would not take it as an affront from anybody who addressed me that way.
That being said, I thought you were suggesting the gender breakdown was anomalous. If that wasn't your intent then I regret inferring/implying it was.
With all due regards,
DemocratSinceBirth
bvf
(6,604 posts)From the link:
Sanders leads 52/37 with voters under 30 and 49/36 with voters between 30 and 45, but more than makes up for that with a 65/24 advantage among seniors.
Lorien
(31,935 posts)POLLS DON'T MATTER! They're above worrying about polls or ever voting in them, don't you know.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)get off their asses and vote with any regularity, they'll be taken more seriously.
bvf
(6,604 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Every 4 years we go through this and I'm tired of pinning my hopes on those who only vote if it's convenient and fits into their day.
bvf
(6,604 posts)Suit yourself.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)that Bernie goes NOWHERE without the youth vote. That's the point.
m/v
thereismore
(13,326 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Hillary is goin to bring home the victory in Iowa!
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)Is that they found 680 people with a landline phone.
If Ann Selzer says it's 48-40 and that there will be less than 60% first time caucusers (her prediction a few weeks ago), then I will be very concerned.
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)She is also leading in five of the last seven polls released:
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-iowa-presidential-democratic-caucus
But thank you for bringing that kernel of information to my attention.
Respectfully,
DemocratSinceBirth
mcar
(42,278 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)She was beautiful.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)kennetha
(3,666 posts)Gothmog
(144,919 posts)FSogol
(45,446 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)My niece goes to U of Maryland and she's gotten so excited by basketball this year.
Alfresco
(1,698 posts)Hopefully the DMR Selzer poll tomorrow afternoon will reflect this surge of realism.
thesquanderer
(11,972 posts)Like the Gravis one... even allowing for the fact that caucus results don't directly mirror the actual vote, this wasn't even close. And this was conducted Jan 26-27, so pretty darn close to the election day.
Pollsters and stock brokers... good businesses, they get paid whether they're right or wrong.