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WaPo Morning Plum- Democrats badly underestimated Bernie Sanders. That was a very serious mistake.

Democrats badly underestimated Bernie Sanders. That was a very serious mistake.
The inside track on Washington politics.

By Greg Sargent January 29 at 9:08 AM
Learn from this man, Democrats. (Joshua Lott, The Washington Post)
THE MORNING PLUM:

As we come down to the wire in Iowa, most of the reporting suggests Hillary Clinton may have a slight lead over Bernie Sanders. If she does win, it will probably offset any Sanders victory in New Hampshire, and Clinton may then pile up a string of decisive wins in more diverse states. Of course, Iowa could surprise us and Sanders could win, and we could be in for a very long battle ahead.

But whatever happens in Iowa, we can already reach this conclusion: Democrats, and Hillary Clinton, will have to engage in a serious, genuine effort to learn from the Sanders phenomenon and what it really represents.

NBC’s Kasie Hunt has a terrific segment this morning on the surprise success of Sanders’s campaign that should be a must-watch for all Democrats. It shows a range of pundits last spring mocking Sanders’s socialism, his “thick Brooklyn accent,” his age (“he looks 91″, and his manner (“he’s a loon”). But then Hunt’s segment smartly shows footage of the roaring crowds at Sanders rallies, and the deep passion and commitment of the young volunteers putting in long hours in a Sanders Iowa campaign office, concluding: “If Bernie Sanders is going to beat Hillary Clinton in Iowa, it’s because of volunteers like these, who basically live here.”

And then Hunt interviews Sanders himself, who says this: “Way back when, I don’t know if you heard it, I said: ‘Don’t underestimate me. Don’t underestimate me.'”


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https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/01/29/democrats-badly-underestimated-bernie-sanders-that-was-a-very-serious-mistake/
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Just so that you know, the Tampa Bay Times, has also just endorsed Jeb Bush for the 'republicans'. You do remember Goldman Sachs did say, they'd be happy with either a Bush or a Clinton. I'm sure they would, and the puppets that they own.

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Reply WaPo Morning Plum- Democrats badly underestimated Bernie Sanders. That was a very serious mistake. (Original post)
ViseGrip Jan 2016 OP
grasswire Jan 2016 #1
libdem4life Jan 2016 #2
lumberjack_jeff Jan 2016 #3
ViseGrip Jan 2016 #4
CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #5
Cal33 Jan 2016 #6
Vincardog Jan 2016 #9
tex-wyo-dem Jan 2016 #26
Cal33 Jan 2016 #27
dreamnightwind Jan 2016 #7
jeff47 Jan 2016 #13
bklyncowgirl Jan 2016 #16
Fearless Jan 2016 #18
Live and Learn Jan 2016 #34
Matariki Jan 2016 #8
daleanime Jan 2016 #25
restorefreedom Jan 2016 #10
Todays_Illusion Jan 2016 #11
Hoppy Jan 2016 #14
Todays_Illusion Jan 2016 #35
mhatrw Jan 2016 #12
Z_California Jan 2016 #15
cantbeserious Jan 2016 #17
NCjack Jan 2016 #19
Duval Jan 2016 #20
benny05 Jan 2016 #21
WillyT Jan 2016 #22
Akicita Jan 2016 #23
BlueJazz Jan 2016 #24
Ligyron Jan 2016 #28
BlueJazz Jan 2016 #30
jomin41 Jan 2016 #29
ErisDiscordia Jan 2016 #31
KentuckyWoman Jan 2016 #32
Skwmom Jan 2016 #33
blackspade Jan 2016 #36
Surya Gayatri Jan 2016 #37

Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:01 PM

1. this Democrat did not underestimate him. nt

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:01 PM

2. Was this after he got taken down by Bernie at some luncheon? Saw the video. Bernie

 

backed him almost out of the room.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:03 PM

3. More to the point, they either badly misunderstand what the public wants, or consider it immaterial.

 

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:07 PM

4. Exactly, and that comment above just mirrors the way they choose to ignore it. Bad contest strategy!

 

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:08 PM

5. ^^THIS^^

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:12 PM

6. They also didn't realize how large the number of Americans is who are totally fed-up of

 

the status quo. We want change, real change, and we mean to get it. Bernie is totally
in touch with this feeling, and his timing of entering the race for president was perfect.
It is also just the right time for a person of his qualities to join the race -- someone
like him is badly needed - right now.

Bernie Sanders, the right man at the right time. This is why he will win!

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Response to Cal33 (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:18 PM

9. ++ true= Bernie Sanders, the right man at the right time. This is why he will win!

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Response to Cal33 (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 03:06 PM

26. The media and pundits live in the same bubble as the Beltway politicians...

They truly have not concept of what kind of life most people in America live: the challenges and hardships, the decline of the middle-class to the ranks of the poor, struggling to put food on the table, much less pay for higher education or health insurance.

Meanwhile, the establishment rubs elbows at cocktail parties, greasing the skids for the next Wall Street PTB takeover of more wealth.

And they just can't understand how this 74 yo "socialist" could possibly be so popular.

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Response to tex-wyo-dem (Reply #26)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 03:12 PM

27. They also are not interested in understanding how this 74 y.o. "socialist" could be so popular.

 

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:15 PM

7. Good point. They understand what people want

and have been doing everything in their power to get us to think it isn't possible.

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:35 PM

13. This. And this is why we lost 2014 and 2010.

The people keep telling the party what they want. The party keeps saying "Shut up and vote for us".

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:03 PM

16. I think that the pundit types are caught in their own echo chamber--they don't talk to real people.

They live in a comfortable little world where everyone is affluent and the range of permissible opinion runs from center left to center right. They completely missed the fact that ordinary Americans are not happy with the status quo. They dismissed Trump, they dismissed Sanders. While I'd hardly equate the two men--Sanders is a far better human being than Trump in every way--their rise is a symptom of the fact that the middle class has been forgotten by our political class and by the donor class who own them.

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:08 PM

18. What the public NEEDS*

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 03:43 PM

34. +10,000 nt

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:16 PM

8. DEMOCRATS!?!

I'm a Democrat. I never underestimated him!

That's pretty nervy implying that Clinton's camp has exclusive dibs on being the 'Democrats'

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Response to Matariki (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:59 PM

25. +1

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:19 PM

10. the only ones who underestimated were not paying attention.

and casey hunt can stick her anti bernie slanted "reporting"

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:22 PM

11. The real problem with our Democratic Party is they refuse to acknowledte that we have not

turned as conservative as the candidates they keep providing for us. Bernie Sanders is gaining because we were already where he is, we just haven't had a chance to vote for liberal candidates, all we are given are "business friendly," conservative Democratic.

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Response to Todays_Illusion (Reply #11)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:37 PM

14. Every Friday for years, Bernie showed up on Tom Hartmann's program.

 

We heard his concerns, hopes his complaints about the way Washington was being run --and his reaction to the complements --- "When are you going to run for president?" He would deflect the complement. This disappointed me.

Then he changed --- if no one with progressive values runs, I will.

I was happy. (Not Hoppy, happy.) So much so that I have $100. invested in his campaign.

I also invested $35.00 in Eliz. Warren's campaign a couple of years ago. That worked out well.

I want a repeat.


(I also plan to donate to the primary campaign of Debbie Wasserman-Shultz's opponent.)

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Response to Hoppy (Reply #14)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 03:48 PM

35. Where we have another serious problem is for liberal/progressive legislators especially since

our own party has refused to offer or back any who are not these new business friendly conservative third way types.

And why are we not hearing about voter registration drives and outreach programs instead of only reading about their backing of more conservative Democratic candidates.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:34 PM

12. How dare the rabble not do exactly what we tell them to do!

How dare they not march in lockstep behind our hand picked oligarch after we so carefully made it clear that she was the lesser of two evils!

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:52 PM

15. By "Democrats" they mean the Beltway Bubble

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:08 PM

17. When We Stand Together - No Citizen Need Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:14 PM

19. The DNC record is failure. Debbie: Resign

as Chair of the DNC -- you are unworthy.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:18 PM

20. K&R!

 

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:32 PM

21. Interesting Narrative by Sargent

David Mizner at DK had this to say about the narrative in general (that Sargent streams every day)

“This is why almost all prominent progressive wonks, advocacy organizations and congressional Democrats have endorsed, or at least lean toward, Sec. Hillary Clinton.”

They support Clinton not because his policies are unrealistic but because they don’t support those policies. The “theory of change” debate, which a few Sandernistas have fallen for, is a concoction meant to obscure the fact that Sanders and Clinton have different goals, different ideologies, and, accordingly, different funding bases. Sanders wants to scrap the corporate health care regime and provide health care to all. Clinton doesn’t. Sanders wants to break up the big banks. Clinton doesn’t. Etc.

The argument against Sanders isn't working because most people see through this Clinton-concocted debate about the “theory of change.”


Thus, if I could school pundits like Sargent, who claims to be "liberal", my title would be “Beltway Democrats Underestimated Bernie Sanders. Was that a Mistake[?/b]

[link:http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/01/29/1476879/-Here-is-the-reason-why-the-main-argument-against-Bernie-Sanders-isnt-working|

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:45 PM

22. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!

 




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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:52 PM

23. I'm a Democrat and I didn't underestimate him. GO BERNIE!

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:55 PM

24. The only thing that the Washington Democrats underestimated about Bernie Sanders was the...

 

..., total complete Fed-up-ness of the populace which is sick and tired of having Phony-ass-lying democrats that vote more of the same screw-the-middle class bullshit....and that includes the Clintons (all 3 of them) I personally am sick and tired of their mealy-mouth promises and distortions.
I'd rather vote for Bernie and go crashing like a 747 jetliner into the ocean then have the same republicans and republican/lites do the same crap of ramming a 2x4 up our asses. Fuck that shit.

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Response to BlueJazz (Reply #24)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 03:23 PM

28. well said.

At this stage of my life, this is the last chance for seeing change.

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Response to Ligyron (Reply #28)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 03:32 PM

30. Thank you. In case you didn't sense it, my blood was boiling at the time.

 

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 03:26 PM

29. Bernie is the solution for

poor voter turn-out. Finally, a candidate to get genuinely excited about. You might think, naively, that the DNC would be interested in exciting voters. It's easier to criticize people for not voting than to give them something to vote FOR. GO BERNIE!

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 03:35 PM

31. That was serendipity, not a mistake.

 

And if you must call it a "mistake," it is the luckiest mistake of our lives and the nation's history.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 03:39 PM

32. I think they underestimated how pissed off America is.....



If elite in the Democratic Party (or the Republican Party for that matter) would leave the echo chamber of financial supporters they surround themselves with they would know America is fairly well pissed off. Bernie speaks to that and he is sincere.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 03:42 PM

33. Bernie has something you can't duplicate.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 04:58 PM

36. This quote stood out.

"Democrats, and Hillary Clinton, will have to engage in a serious, genuine effort to learn from the Sanders phenomenon and what it really represents."


They won't, any more than the Rethugs did after 2012.
Soul searching and change is not in the establishment DNA.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:39 AM

37. K & R. Thanks for finding and posting.

 

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