Hillary Clinton: Single payer will "NEVER, EVER come to pass!!"

[ram2008]

Last edited Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:23 PM - Edit history (4)

You heard it here first folks. Pack those progressive bags because Hillary Clinton said Single Payer will NEVER, EVER come to pass, so don't even think about it. She didn't just say it, she exclaimed it, as seen in the video

Hillary Clinton on Friday cast Bernie Sanders' plan for single-payer health insurance as an "idea that will never, ever come to pass."

The swipe builds on Clinton's repeated rhetoric against the Vermont senator's proposed single-payer, Medicare-for-all health care plan that he proposed earlier this month. The plan would provide health coverage to all Americans but would be paid for by raising taxes on most Americans.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/29/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-health-care/index.html

I just saw the video on CNN and she was YELLING it WILL NEVER, EVER PASS into the microphone. Really bizarre behavior, once I find it on youtube I'll post a link. Hillary 2016: No we can't!

Final edit: Going viral on Reddit, the video is now being dubbed the "Mean Scream"

[Cali_Democrat]

1. Pelosi already poured cold water on Bernie's "proposal" a few days ago

Pelosi dismisses portions of Sanders’s tax and health-care agenda: ‘It’s not going to happen’
By Paul Kane January 27 at 4:06 PM

BALTIMORE — House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) dismissed portions of Bernie Sanders’s agenda Wednesday, welcoming the Vermont senator’s energetic support for his presidential bid but declaring that some of his deeply liberal ideas were unrealistic.

Kicking off a three-day retreat of House Democrats in her childhood home town, Pelosi said that the party’s agenda would not include a call to raise taxes and would continue to embrace the Affordable Care Act that Democrats bitterly fought for in 2010. Pelosi’s remarks came two days after Sanders, in an Iowa town-hall gathering, explicitly endorsed higher taxes to fund a sweeping revision of health laws.

“We’re not running on any platform of raising taxes,” Pelosi told reporters inside the Hyatt Regency in Baltimore’s Inner Harbor, less than a mile from her childhood home. While the liberal House leader has remained publicly neutral in the Democratic primary process, Pelosi’s position echoed some of the themes that former secretary of state Hillary Clinton has hit on in trying to say that Sanders’s ideas, while appealing to liberals’ instincts, are out of touch in an era when Congress is so sharply divided.

She reiterated her previous remarks embracing Sanders’s surge in recent weeks — “God bless all the people who have gotten enthusiastic” — but stressed that Sanders needs to bring those voters into the Democratic fold in the November general election.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/01/27/pelosi-dismisses-portions-of-sanderss-tax-and-health-care-agenda-saying-its-not-going-to-happen/

[ram2008]

3. NEVER EVER!!! n/t

[randys1]

35. I bet she wishes she had that phrase back

[reformist2]

42. She's so negative it's unbelievable... Bernie should start playing Hillary clips in his ads!

[gordyfl]

64. Hillary on Medicare for All...

[OrwellwasRight]

79. She has officially jumped the shark.

Do we have a smiley for that?

[HerbChestnut]

19. Then it's time for Pelosi to step down.

[Helen Borg]

43. That time came long ago...

[RufusTFirefly]

50. No! Calling for Pelosi to step down should be taken off the table!

[ejbr]

56. +1 n/t

[ybbor]

90. LOL

We can't dwell on what happened in the past

[hifiguy]

116. Well played, Mr Firefly.

It's time for a housecleaning.

[Plucketeer]

106. I just sent Pelosi a card saying that very thing.

If she and the rest of the very wealthy D-gang can't start talking in our favor, it's time for them to retire and enjoy the fruits of their sell-outs. It's SO GREAT that Bernie's message of a corrupt government is starting to get real traction. I don't even wanna KNOW who's paid to keep Nancy's seat in DC, but I'd bet a buck to a donut that it wasn't her peon constituency. It's time for that revolution that Bernie speaks of. It's time to ditch CU and institute publicly funded elections. Then when there's a clear consensus among the citizens of this nation for something we want and CAN DO, there won't BE any "Never Happen!"

[Renew Deal]

107. It's long past time

House Dems need new leadership and I'm not talking about Hoyer

[pangaia]

37. And I quote the old joke "What do you mean we, white man?"

[libdem4life]

41. Our Democratic "off the table" expert. She's up in the .1%. That was why.

Got to protect the group.

From the Party of Hope to the Party of Nope.

[Loudestlib]

48. From "Yes we can" to "No we can't"

That was a fast turnaround.

[Eleanors38]

49. Pelosi says it isn't happening? Well, that settles it.

[Cali_Democrat]

55. If you can't convince Democrats in Congress to go along with your proposal,

how will he be able to convince Republicans?

Republicans will likely control at least the House in 2017 and Dems have already poured cold water on his plan.

That means it's not happening.

[NurseJackie]

98. Thank you for being rational and pointing out the reality of the situation.

I'm glad that there are reasonable people such as yourself who can easily see what's possible, and understand what's futile, and what's (literally) a waste of time. There are so many other doable things that will improve people's lives NOW, why waste time and effort (ignoring all the doable things) on a Sisyphean task. Think of all the time that's been wasted by the Republicans on trying to repeal the ACA. Think of all the OTHER things that could have been done instead. I think we'd be wise to learn from the mistakes of the Republicans and focus on what has a realistic chance of being passed.

[Perogie]

155. yes we should give up on stuff that won't pass like this

http://www.equalrightsamendment.org/

[Herman4747]

105. Sometimes you put forth a proposal...

...not so much because you think it will pass straight away, but because you hope that it eventually passes.
I suspect that a number of improvements to society have come this way.
Even with regards to health care coverage, we recall that Obamacare just barely passed -- it might have been helped at least a little by the fact that Democrats since at least the early 90s were saying that the percentage of uncovered Americans was far too high. (That is, President Obama was seen as dealing with an ongoing, longstanding problem - not a new problem).

[MoonchildCA]

165. Exactly!

By the time the majority of Americans finally discover what it really means, and how we are the only industrialized country without it, the entire nation, including the politicians will eventually come on board. Hopefully the same thing will happen with publicly funded elections.

She could have said the same thing about gay marriage just a few years ago.
Turning the tide on the conversation in America is the first step.

[Perogie]

153. so we should stop supporting this

Please tell all the people that support Equal right to give up because it will never pass.

Glad to know you're such a fighter for doing the right thing unless it's too hard.

http://www.equalrightsamendment.org/

[Eleanors38]

168. I don't celebrate defeat-in-advance.

[mindwalker_i]

51. Clears it all up

Well there's your problem!

Getting single-payer, along with a lot of other things that would really help the country, is something that will take time and effort. In effect, Hillary and Pelosi are saying it won't happen immediately, and they don't want to put any effort into making it happen so give up! I doubt either of them want it. Hillary, at least, has tied to the industry.

So basically, let's just do what Republicans want because it's too hard to fight for good things.

Yeah, fuck that shit.

[tecelote]

54. So many other countries are able to offer it to their citizens

Why do they think America is incapable?

'Sure glad they care so much about our health that they give us the most expensive healthcare possible.

Of course, both Pelosi and Clinton profit from our current system. There's that.

[rpannier]

67. American Exceptionalism

Just ask Michelle Bachman

[appalachiablue]

104. Canada's No.1 Richest Middle Class Has Universal Healthcare Since 1960s, Other Good Things

Canadian Political Leader TOMMY DOUGLAS, the Father of Medicare advocated universal heath care for all which was adopted nationally in 1966. Tommy's grandson is actor Kiefer Sutherland.

[creatives4innovation]

94. Fortunately for us

The US is still a democracy and the American people support single payer. Nancy Pelosi doesn't get to decide this, we the voters do.

[Scootaloo]

135. Just as she ran away from impeaching a war criminal and two-time electoral fraud?

[MoonchildCA]

164. Kinda reminds me of "Impeachment is off the table."

[cali]

2. Thanks, Hillary

And go away.

[mhatrw]

4. Quoth the Maven "NEVERMORE"

[elias49]

36. Bwahaha! By Edgar Allen No.

[passiveporcupine]

80. Oh God

[99Forever]

91. Damn that's funny...

... I don't care who you are!

[SammyWinstonJack]

97. Ha!

[historylovr]

126. ...

[hifiguy]

127. DUzy!

[peacebird]

152. We have a thread winner!

[Nanjeanne]

5. Hillary hath spoken and she hath sayeth: NO!!!!!!!

Well . . . that's inspiring.

[ram2008]

8. I've never seen someone so fired up over the idea of universal healthcare not passing nt

[hifiguy]

122. Her extraordinary enthusiasm for effing over the 99%

is rather remarkable for a supposed Democrat, isn't it?

[frylock]

6. NO YOU CAN'T!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

7. Is this another one of her "bedrock" priniciples?

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[Jarqui]

46. Hillary Clinton Was Against Gay Marriage And For Removing Saddam Hussein

[hifiguy]

123. She's nearing the border of the Kingdom of Kristol.

You know, the guy who has Never Been Right About Anything?

[BillZBubb]

9. Well it certainly won't come to pass if the party is too frightened to fight for it.

We should, as a party, be running on raising the taxes on high incomes.

[RufusTFirefly]

10. Damn right. We LIKE being gouged, going bankrupt, and staying sick!

Only bleeding hearts like Bernie would believe otherwise.

The time has come to face the truth: The rich deserve to live longer than the rest of us. By gosh, they've earned that right!

[MissDeeds]

62. Bingo!

[yodermon]

11. How about a public option at least then, Hills? No?

No we can't, then.

[Cheese Sandwich]

12. Kind of sad when the majority of Americans want it

From the Kaiser Health Tracking poll, December 2015:

When asked their opinion, nearly 6 in 10 Americans (58 percent) say they favor the idea of Medicare-for-all, including 34 percent who say they strongly favor it. This is compared to 34 percent who say they oppose it, including 25 percent who strongly oppose it. Opinions vary widely by political party identification, with 8 in 10 Democrats (81 percent) and 6 in 10 independents (60 percent) saying they favor the idea, while 63 percent of Republicans say they oppose it.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/1/12/1469108/-81-of-Democrats-Support-Single-Payer-and-58-of-all-Americans

[historylovr]

13. It's a strange way to fight for women and children to be sure.

[wendylaroux]

14. yes it will,the people want it. nt

[pangaia]

40. I hereby give you permission.

But I am not responsible for the consequences.

[MissDeeds]

59. Well, probably better not go there

But let's counter with "Madame Secretary, you will never ever be President of the United States".

Works for me

[jfern]

16. No we can't!

[MelungeonWoman]

17. It would be great but we really can't.

We have to settle for less. It's the American way.

[libdem4life]

45. Oh my, I don't do TV so rely on the group to bring the best in a clip. Thanks

[think]

83. Everytime I see one of these commercials I think of Hillary's campaign

This one is a hoot too:

[QC]

18. I'm old enough to remember when no Democrat

would ever have campaigned against universal health care.

Of course, I can also remember when no Democrat would have ever even hinted at cutting Social Security.

Sad thing is, I'm not all that old.

[tk2kewl]

20. Dean scream moment?

[retrowire]

26. the MSM won't play it over and over again.

but in this day and age... We can do it.

But it might have the reverse effect and depress people into truly believing it cant be done.

[tk2kewl]

38. I have to take a look when I get home

[Sophiegirl]

39. I just saw it

On the local DC NBC news. And I was disgusted.

[SammyWinstonJack]

100. Let's hope so.

[stillwaiting]

21. If HRC has anything to do with it it won't come to pass for quite some time.

I have no doubt that her appointment(s) to the DNC Party Chair would be someone who would recruit and fund neo-liberal, "pro-business" Democrats that have zero desire to implement single payer. The Democratic Party would continue to refuse to offer hope and a vision for a better America for most Americans. We will continue to be told we can't have nice things in this country.

I say we reject her vision. I say we reject what she most certainly would do to help further mold a Democratic Party that would serve business interests first and foremost.

Vote Bernie.

[nichomachus]

22. I remember when Hillary said same-sex marriage would never come to pass

And she was against it because marriage was a sacred bond between one man and one woman.

Go, Hillary, go.

No, seriously, just go.

[ybbor]

95. Health is a sacred bond...

Between you and the Grim Reaper.

[Fumesucker]

146. :)

[tk2kewl]

23. she has a tell as they say in cards

She knows I won't pass because the suite of trade deals being worked out amongst her global pals will likely make such things impossible and will work to unravel and privatize existing similar government programs here and around the world

[FiveGoodMen]

24. Not if she can help it

And that's why she's getting all that corporate money.

[retrowire]

25. Bye Hillary.

Just proved you'll never try. bye bye.

[Broward]

27. Hillary is way past her expiration date at least as a Dem.

Time for her to go join her conservative brethren in the Republican Party.

[Aquavit]

129. Time for her to rejoin...

her conservative brethren in the Republican Party, you mean. She used to support the likes of Barry Goldwater, after all.

[MisterP]

28. "At this very moment, in a state far from here, Bernie Sanders LIES to the GALAXY"

[Jefferson23]

34. lol

[Ed Suspicious]

29. Yes it will!

[dirtydickcheney]

30. Which makes you wonder about Hillary and "Republican-Lite" voters should she secure the nomination.

Why would anyone vote Republican Lite when you have a real Republican to vote for?

[Purveyor]

31. Hillary Clinton as President will "NEVER, EVER come to pass!!", either. eom

[Jefferson23]

32. This is good to know, vote accordingly people. K&R

[Gore1FL]

33. That's why she remains my last Democratic choice.

Just like in 2008.

[GreatGazoo]

44. Her campaign is now pushing austerity, an austerity of ideas.

'Less Hope. No Change.' is a losing position.

If / when Clinton loses Iowa it will be da ja vu all over again. Why Hillary finished third in Iowa in 2008:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/jun/04/hillaryclinton.uselections20084

[Karmadillo]

47. Feel the cHill.

[PoliticalMalcontent]

52. Clinton is a fighter. Clinton is a progressive. (her words)

How one can claim to be a fighter, then fight so vigorously against an idea like single-payer (especially considering her stance for it in the past) is bewildering. Then again politics is a funny game.

[hedda_foil]

141. She never quite said what she was fighting for though, did she.

She's also never said exactly which direction she's progressing in

[LittleBlue]

53. Is she running as a Democrat or GOP?

A statement like this could have come from the mouth of Ted Cruz.

[Vinca]

57. It's hard to tell sometimes.

[hifiguy]

66. Hard to tell these days.

[Rebkeh]

58. That's funny,

I thought we were a democracy. It's not her decision to make.

It will pass if the people want it.

*I haven't seen this video yet

[Punkingal]

60. She will never, ever be president.

[hifiguy]

69. I dearly and devoutly hope you

are right. She's a wholly owned subsidiary of (fill in the blank - it doesn't matter which big bux company you care to name).

She sounds more GOPee every day.

[m-lekktor]

71. I hope you are right! nt

[SammyWinstonJack]

103. I hope she doesn't get the chance. Bernie because fuck this shit!

[Stuart G]

61. Big Mistake..never, never wrong words.....because....

I was pretty sure that I would never live to see an Afro-American elected as President of the U.S.

So many others...never never ideas....Ok.............

I never never thought I would see an electric car company in the U.S....who would get something like that off the ground?
I never never thought I would own a computer....too expensive...not for me...only the "computer types"
I never never thought I would travel to Asia for any reason...I did
I never never thought I would have some of the stuff I have,,,too expensive,,,that stuff would never, never be around
I never never thought I would do other things...long list....

etc.etc.etc.etc..

and we all have ideas like that ...and many have come true...poor use of words...maybe not now....,but...never,never???????

[RobertEarl]

63. She's not on our side

Anyone supporting her is not on our side.

[TIME TO PANIC]

65. She's NEVER, EVER going to be president.

... and she'll take the party down with her.

[whatchamacallit]

68. F that

and F anyone who won't support it. We gotta change this shit.

[bowens43]

70. why would anyone want t defeatist loser like hillary to be president

I mean I understand why the pharmaceutical companies and HMOs love her but people?

[ram2008]

72. Does anyone have the video?

I can't find it anywhere since it aired a few hours ago on CNN. I'm surprised Bernie or O'Malley campaigns haven't uploaded it somewhere, or the media hasn't reported it more as it was quite the spectacle.

Tried to go back on my DVR but it won't let me go back that far.

[bvf]

73. Guess what else will never, ever come to pass?

Go ahead, guess.

[loudsue]

74. Hillary should know. She would do everything she could to make sure it did NOT come to pass

if she had the opportunity.

[AzDar]

75. Ugh. She needs to go AWAY.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

76. Jeez she sounds like the wicked witch of the west!

[navarth]

77. that's bad.

really bad.

[Samantha]

78. Not as long as the Republicans block it to protect their wealthy patrons

The healthy insurance companies as well as the pharmaceuticals certainly will put up massive resistance because it will cost them too much in profits. Solution: get rid of the politicians that work for them instead of we the people.

If so many other developed countries with not as much wealth as this country has, why were they able to do it and we cannot?

Sam

[SoapBox]

81. No...We Can't!

Move aside Hill...we're over you.

[passiveporcupine]

82. One thing is sure

It will never ever come to pass while Clinton is in office.

[Logical]

84. Hillary, the ultimate visionary! nt

[Paper Roses]

85. Thanks, Mrs Clinton for your support for the needs of the American people!(Snark).

I can't stand see or to listen to her ads. Yes, I heard the one today and she was yelling.

Very presidential, Mrs. C.

[Ed Suspicious]

86. For this reason, among others, I "will never, ever" vote for you.

[abelenkpe]

87. VFX shipped jobs to Canada to save money

Because they have national healthcare and the cost per employee is significantly less. Not having affordable single payer in the US costs us jobs. And while ACA is a huge improvement to what we had before healthcare costs are still skyrocketing. Deductibles are so large people put off care. Prescription costs are out of control. We pay more for healthcare here in the US than anywhere else. We need single payer.

[Geronimoe]

88. A real Confederate

Time for you voters to get real and go back to the plantation for Wall Street profits.

[OrwellwasRight]

89. This is my favorite thread in months

So many sharp and witty replies to this horrible and stupid statement. She may as well have said, "Bernie voters, eff off. I don't want you or need you."

What a stupid campaign tactic. What's next?

Affordable college will never, ever come to pass.

Making corporations pay their fair share of taxes will never, ever come to pass.

Secure retirement will never, ever come to pass.

Fair trade will never, ever come to pass.

Me as an inspiring candidate will never, ever come to pass.

Signed, HRC

Feel the cHill, indeed!

[riversedge]

92. Caution-she said Sanders idea of single payer. Emphasis on sanders plan and his partial funding of

his "plan"

[left-of-center2012]

93. It'll never pass with a President Hillary n/t

[SammyWinstonJack]

96. Ugh.

[jalan48]

99. "Cut it out!!!!!"

[restorefreedom]

101. interesting how cnn doesn't have the clip

guess they only keep positive clips....

[wildeyed]

108. Interesting how someone makes an accusation and then

doesn't have the clip

[ram2008]

110. Are you saying I'm lying? The clip exists I saw it on CNN

And the quote shows it did indeed happen. Not my fault the media isn't doing their job. I'm sure it will pop up soon.

[wildeyed]

118. No.

Of course you are not lying.I read the transcript too. And I believe that you believe that is what she meant when she said it too. But your interpretation of the statement is clearly colored with emotion.

But your post is very emphatic and accusatory, and it would be nice for those of us who do not genuflect at the altar of Bernie to actually see the video so we can judge for ourselves the meaning of what was said. It could be a reference to the fact that Sanders' plan doesn't actually work mathematically as opposed to an ideological pronouncement on Clinton's part, which is what you seem to be inferring. You know, it IS possible to support single-payer but not support Bernie Sanders' plan because math. Or to think that it won't work in the USA for various cultural and geographical reasons.

What I have learned from watching corporate media for low these many years is don't believe something just because someone said it. See for yourself Plus it is frustrating because I really do want to see it now that you built it up so much.

[ram2008]

120. Fair enough

I'm still scourging the internet for the clip, hopefully CNN airs it again soon. The e-mail fiasco is sucking up all the air on TV.

[wildeyed]

121. thanks! n/t

[hedda_foil]

137. I think you meant scouring because y o u really can't whip the internet into submission.

[ram2008]

138. Indeed, lol! nt

[ram2008]

148. Found it!

Starts at 1:45 -->http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2016/01/29/democratic-showdown-sanders-clinton-deadlock-iowa-zeleny-lead.cnn

[wildeyed]

159. Thanks.

I see your point, but you could also read it as saying that people with medical emergencies cannot wait for a theoretically better but at this point completely unworkable new system to come into being. Particularly those with serious medical concerns.

This worries me too when Sanders talks about trashing ACA and all private insurance. Great! I HATE my insurance company. So much. And it will be easy to get rid of ACA since GOP hates it too. But how do we get the single-payer? The math on his plan does not work and GOP has control of Congress. So I fear that it just puts us back to square one after all the political sweat and blood it took to even get the ACA passed.

You gotta understand, the ACA is not perfect, but it has been a godsend to sick individuals and their families who have a pre-existing condition and could not previously get coverage. If it goes away and we do not IMMEDIATELY replace it with single-payer, those people are back to bankruptcy and homelessness, some of them. That is why Clinton was all shouty at that point in the vid, IMO. She feels strongly that those individuals should be protected and worries that they won't be in the interim.

I doubt Clinton ideologically opposes single-payer or would stand in the way if there was the political will to make it a reality. And I respect that you prefer Sanders because you think he is a leader on this issue. As a Clinton supporter, I actually APPRECIATE the focus he puts on the issue since I a self-employed and get SO SCREWED on premiums. But I worry when people demonize Clinton here. She will, if elected, do more to improve healthcare in this country than any Republican. She is not actually on the wrong team here.

[restorefreedom]

113. what was the accusation? nt

[RufusTFirefly]

124. Or maybe there's a bidding war for it. n/t

[onecaliberal]

102. Not as long as corporate hacks like her keep getting elected.

Is she seriously trying to alienate every last person who is going to vote for Bernie?

[dorkzilla]

109. Well isn’t she just a little fucking ray of sunshine

But I think something else has put her in a bad mood.

[LibDemAlways]

111. Can't wait for Bernie's response to this one.

Hillary just committed a 'Dukakis in the tank' level mistake with the Iowa caucuses days away. If caucus goers have to brave snow, her base of older people are more likely to stay home anyway. This stupid statement is going to have the effect of bringing Bernie supporters out in droves no matter what the weather conditions are. Hope trumps nope every time.

[Renew Deal]

112. That's unhelpful

[HassleCat]

114. We know it will

Not now, since Clinton appears inclined to poison the well on this issue. Eventually, probably after I am long gone, our country will wake up and smell the coffee.

[wilsonbooks]

115. Well I guess this means the pony

is out of the question.

[hedda_foil]

139. And no pony for you, and no pony for you, and no pony for you, and no pony for you, and ...

[Font size="56"][center]No pony for
EVERYBODY[/font]


How positivelyinspirational

[hifiguy]

117. Single payer "Medicare For All" is highly popular.

It's like she either has a political death wish (may it be swiftly granted) or is so completely in thrall to the people who own her lock, stock and barrel that she has completely forgotten what a DEMOCRAT is supposed to sound like.

Hil, preemptive surrender is not a strategy. It isn't even a TACTIC.

[Dems to Win]

119. Same tune she was singing in 1993

Sure hope she doesn't win the nomination.

[liberal_at_heart]

125. When those of us who saw way too many holes in the ACA said the ACA was not good enough,

folks said be patient. The ACA is only the first step. Now we know that was a lie. No one ever intended to fight for single payer at all. We are the only industrialized country in the world not to have single payer. For those who are against it. It will happen. It may take time, but it will happen. So, get used to the idea. Gay marriage was never supposed to happen. Legal marijuana was never supposed to happen. A black president was never supposed to happen. They happened, and so will single payer.

[RufusTFirefly]

128. Take a stroll through history with Hillary Clinton...

Voting Rights Act?
NEVER, EVER come to pass!!

Women's Suffrage?
NEVER, EVER come to pass!!

End of slavery?
NEVER, EVER come to pass!!

American independence?
NEVER, EVER come to pass!!


“You see things; and you say ‘Why?’ But I dream things that never were; and I say ‘NEVER, EVER come to pass!!'"

[aikoaiko]

130. I really love that her true nature is showing now.

[NanceGreggs]

131. Actually ...

... Hillary did NOT say that single payer will "never, ever come to pass". She said that "Bernie Sanders' plan for single payer" will never pass.

The quote is right there in your OP. I'm a bit shocked that you don't know the difference between saying Bernie's particular plan will never pass and saying that the entire idea of single payer will never pass.

Reading is fundamental. It also seems to be a lost art here these days.

[bvf]

133. So, we can gather from this that

Last edited Sat Jan 30, 2016, 01:32 AM - Edit history (1)

you must have some inside track on Clinton's own plan for single payer.

By all means, share, won't you? Take all the time you need.

Perhaps you'd prefer to continue to parse words. It seems to be your own art of choice.

Not to worry. If your art fails you (as it seems it has), I can always check back later, OK?

[Chezboo]

132. Gosh, that sounds like something someone would say who made millions off the health care industry.

Hillary Clinton’s Single-Payer Pivot Greased By Millions in Industry Speech Fees

https://theintercept.com/2016/01/13/hillary-clinton-single-payer/

[Odin2005]

134. Hillary 2016: WE WON'T EVEN TRY!!!!!!

[kennedywroberts]

136. Audio of HRC screaming NEVER EVER into the mic.

Here is a link to NPR's 11:00 news reel. Hillary's part is at timestamp 1:10

[link:http://public.npr.org/anon.npr-mp3/npr/newscasts/2016/01/29/newscast230555.mp3?_kip_ipx=1909917267-1454130134|

[hedda_foil]

143. Oh my, oh my, oh my. That's a Dean scream if there ever was one.

It really needs the video but somebody with a video editor could get that going viral in no time flat. The MSM no longer holds all the meme-creating cards.

[ram2008]

147. Thanks for this

Still can't find the video. People thought I was exaggerating, but she really does sound desperate.

[Docreed2003]

154. Damn...that's....that's something....

I don't know whether to be amused that Sec Clinton seems to be imploding her own liberal credibility, or to be extremely saddened that apparently the power brokers within our party are content to wallow in the current system of profits ahead of patients....ultimately I'm shocked more than anything that there are those who will twist themselves into pretzels to support her logic

[ChisolmTrailDem]

140. I saw the footage too. An absolutely stark vision of our future from her there. nt

[Iggy Knorr]

142. No We Can't

because its my turn god damnit, figure it out you fucking peasants.

[delrem]

144. The exact words from NPR recording

starting at 1:10

"I don't want us to end up in gridlock. People can't wait! People with health emergencies can't wait to have debates about some better idea that won't ever, ever come to pass."

That's a statement contra universal single payer health care, period.

Thanks to kennedywroberts post #136

[Rosa Luxemburg]

145. Hillary talks at people

single payer will come

[cascadiance]

149. Then she just said... "A Hillary Clinton presidency will "NEVER, EVER come to pass!!"

As we are tired of hearing the "No We Can't!" messaging fromt he spineless corporatist servants!!!

We DON'T want to join that slaves club!

[Enthusiast]

150. Kicked and recommended!

[peacebird]

151. 'No We Can't!' is such a winning slogan - NOT.

[ram2008]

162. Let's hope she never, ever wins the nomination n/t

[EndElectoral]

156. Beleive they said the same thing about civil rights and even repealing slavery a little further back

[Jarqui]

157. It's interesting how Hillary was against Obama on healthcare during 2008

and how she now ignores that it was the chant of "yes, we can" that really delivered the ACA.

Ir was Obama's big dream stuff that got people fired up and delivered enough political momentum in congress to get the ACA done. Tweaking the existing system with the status quo wasn't going to do it - it was going to be "same as usual politics" and would never deliver an ACA.

How quickly we all forgot that in the subsequent Obama years and didn't give him a mandate in congress that he asked for many times to finish what he started.

Aftr doing that, I think we're so lucky to have someone like Bernie come along. So lucky. Because he's offering us another chance to get these things we're so passionate about and need so badly for our families, friends and kids. What we have to do is give him a mandate like we did Obama and he'll at least get some of what we want.

Following Hillary will lead to more of the same old crap in Washington. There's no guarantee with Bernie. Odds are against him like they were Obama. But I'd rather take that chance and fail because if we fail, we won't be that far off from where Hillary would lead us to anyway.

[EndElectoral]

158. Curious her argument gun control will come to pass but Medicare for All won't.

If she looked at gun control "realistically" she'd face that the second amendment protects gun owners and it is "unrealistic" to attempt legislation in the face of that. Also, with the power of the NRA, congress has resisted meaningful gun control legislation from being passed, and there are probably more NRA votes than ever in the Congress. It would seem "unrealistic" to attempt to garner gun control legislation because in the face of it, the votes aren't there and it will "never, ever come to pass."

But sometimes Hillary, I'll applaud you when you're willing to make "unrealistic" things, "realistic possibilities"

[Betty Karlson]

160. Not while she and Debbie are in charge, that is for sure...

But hey: that can be remedied! Primary anyone?

[ReallyIAmAnOptimist]

161. Couldn't be more clear: Hillary prefers our current system of pay-or-die-extortion...

...from the ZERO VALUE ADD health insurance middleman industry.

PATHETIC.

Our middleman system wastes 30% of healthcare dollars in administrative costs and middleman profits.

There is only one reason the USA won't ever have single payer/universal healthcare, it's because of corrupt politicians being bought and paid for... joining the dark side.

Can you believe a "Democrat" is attacking single payer/universal healthcare with that level of vitriol?
It's nothing less than contemptible and despicable.

[JEB]

163. She sounds like someone who would vote for

an illegal, immoral war for profit.

[felix_numinous]

166. 80% of Americans that support single payer

will vote for the candidate that can give it to us then. This is a matter of life and death to those without money, and denying this looks so sadly out of touch with the American people.

[Doctor_J]

167. democrat campaigning against healthcare. good thing she wasn't president 1933 or 1965

No social security, no Medicare, no civil rights act. She and everyone who continues to support her are beyond disgusting