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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 10:53 PM Jan 2016

Where was Bernie's "political revolution" in 2014 when GOPers took over both houses of Congress?

Bernie is a member of Congress and he sat back and watched while the GOPers started blocking everything from minimum wage increases and infrastructure spending bills to the student loan bill pushed by Warren and Obama.

Why didn't Bernie bring his "political revolution" to the table in fall of 2014?

We sure could have used it.

Instead we got stuck with GOP control of a Congress where Bernie is a member.

Bernie talks a lot, but I don't see a lot of action.

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Where was Bernie's "political revolution" in 2014 when GOPers took over both houses of Congress? (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Jan 2016 OP
Yeah! What an ass for trying to do something now! morningfog Jan 2016 #1
dodge number 1 uponit7771 Jan 2016 #4
Lol. Here's number two. This is an asinine post. morningfog Jan 2016 #8
WHERE was Hillary? John Poet Jan 2016 #124
busy NOT being the great mobilizer... that's Sanders standard he holds himself to not others uponit7771 Jan 2016 #135
then you admit that she can't mobilize anyone? That she is about as motivational roguevalley Jan 2016 #199
Yes, I admit that and that's not a knock against her... that's not her wheelhouse she's saying uponit7771 Jan 2016 #207
Why are you folks incapable of engaging in any conversation about Sanders without bringing Hillary Empowerer Jan 2016 #144
The Democratic party hadn't overtly collapsed yet AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #201
It's not collapsed now!!! Its dealing with a historically gerrymandered GOP congress that few if any uponit7771 Jan 2016 #204
It has become a party running away from itself AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #205
So you think if congress was 80% dem like it was under FDR SP wouldn't pass!? Come on uponit7771 Jan 2016 #208
The party has become right wing AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #216
Unbelievable, eh? MrMickeysMom Jan 2016 #182
Here and now is the right time and place for Bernie Sanders. n/t JimDandy Jan 2016 #2
where was his leadership when these issues needed him n the past other than at a microphone? uponit7771 Jan 2016 #7
It takes timing and backing. We've found him now and are backing him big time! JimDandy Jan 2016 #33
So it wasnt time to back Obama when these issues were front and center? uponit7771 Jan 2016 #47
No moving the goal posts now. tsk tsk... And that's all folks. Bye now. JimDandy Jan 2016 #53
They keep telling us it's not about one man, but it's about the movement Empowerer Jan 2016 #54
It was synergy. The people at the bottom found someone at the top working on the same thing. JimDandy Jan 2016 #70
So Obama what was Obama working for?! uponit7771 Jan 2016 #74
He didn't have OUR backs. Turns out it was all about HIS back JimDandy Jan 2016 #80
never mind the 8.4 million new jobs the US has added since 2010. ucrdem Jan 2016 #85
This insanity again....Obama has gotten done around 80 % of his agenda uponit7771 Jan 2016 #93
I can't help you with your introspection or him with his legacy. JimDandy Jan 2016 #106
Your candidate is on the wrong aide of 'these issues' AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #202
+1 Sanders has never been the leader hes chided others for not being. So far it looks like he stood uponit7771 Jan 2016 #3
Too many DINOs running Nanjeanne Jan 2016 #5
wait theres MORE conservative influence now... and its gerrymandered... its worse now uponit7771 Jan 2016 #12
Yes but my hope is Nanjeanne Jan 2016 #30
grow spines to do what?! Punch a republican in the mouth?!?! theyre gerrymandered...a goper can burn uponit7771 Jan 2016 #43
We also have a Senate Nanjeanne Jan 2016 #91
Call 1-800-Glasses and 1-800 Dig Deep JimDandy Jan 2016 #102
Progressives didn't stay home. (n/t) SMC22307 Jan 2016 #78
Have you ever watched a cat have to dump on a tile floor? Fumesucker Jan 2016 #6
That's hilarious. morningfog Jan 2016 #9
................. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #13
Perfect response. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #81
+1 draa Jan 2016 #134
Ha! SammyWinstonJack Jan 2016 #200
He wasn't running for President? Autumn Jan 2016 #10
so the only time hes a leader is when hes running for president? uponit7771 Jan 2016 #17
Keep trying Autumn Jan 2016 #29
dodge number 6... so far a bunch of sorry excuses to a fair question uponit7771 Jan 2016 #44
That's all you got. Autumn Jan 2016 #48
It a silly flame bait question. morningfog Jan 2016 #63
Its an idiotic question AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #203
With a bunch deflections on where was HRC or DWS (who wasn't even DNC lead) or anyone... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #206
Sanders was having lunch with Thom Hartmann --week after week--diagnosing riversedge Jan 2016 #11
+1...so far thats what it looked like... sat on the sidelines and chunked rocks uponit7771 Jan 2016 #21
Bingo Cali_Democrat Jan 2016 #38
Until there is some serious thinking placed into electing Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #14
This avenue of attack seems borderline psychotic to me. NorthCarolina Jan 2016 #15
It REALLY does. retrowire Jan 2016 #20
dodge number 3 to a rational question uponit7771 Jan 2016 #25
It's not an attack, it's a question - one that I've also been asking for some time and for which Empowerer Jan 2016 #59
+1 uponit7771 Jan 2016 #111
That's 'cause it is. I'd suspect a troll could do worse with less evidence... marble falls Feb 2016 #230
He had to run for president to create the revolution honeylady Jan 2016 #16
Hes still a Senator, nothing has changed... Sanders can only make a difference as president? uponit7771 Jan 2016 #26
He can make MORE of a difference as president. white_wolf Jan 2016 #126
Ugh I already answered this question in another thread. retrowire Jan 2016 #18
The issues existed!!!! Single payer didnt just pop up a year ago!!! Sanders couldnt mobilize people uponit7771 Jan 2016 #51
lol retrowire Jan 2016 #100
Yes, you're right... why wait till now to move people on these issues?!? Also, was the expectation uponit7771 Jan 2016 #125
he was busy passing more legislation than retrowire Jan 2016 #143
So he'll be LESS busy as president to mobilize people to influence congress?!! uponit7771 Jan 2016 #151
he already is. are you not witnessing that? nt retrowire Jan 2016 #156
My point is him beimg busy is a piss poor excuse cause he's going to be MORE busy as president than uponit7771 Jan 2016 #171
it's happening. get over it. nt retrowire Jan 2016 #174
2009 is passed Sanders sitting on his hands when he couldve acted isn't something to get over uponit7771 Jan 2016 #178
keep living in the past then lol. nt retrowire Jan 2016 #183
2016 enid602 Jan 2016 #19
Surely you can provide the vote record to prove he was "doing nothing"? Scootaloo Jan 2016 #22
That's a very good question mcar Jan 2016 #23
He was the toast of the town when he was crapping on the Obama bailout. ucrdem Jan 2016 #24
It worked to keep banks too big to fail and grow bigger yet; Bernie fought to change the terms amborin Jan 2016 #121
+1 uponit7771 Jan 2016 #137
TARP couldn't exactly fail. joshcryer Jan 2016 #220
We were being told to shut up, that DWS and the rest of the establishment jeff47 Jan 2016 #27
So your NOT going to be told to shut up after Sanders is president?! Sounds like a bunch of excuses uponit7771 Jan 2016 #37
Oh, I'm sure you'll be here to tell us to shut up. jeff47 Jan 2016 #45
another non issue dodge.... being told to shut up was never an issue then uponit7771 Jan 2016 #57
Non-issue dodge like what Sanders will do after he's elected? jeff47 Jan 2016 #62
They'll tell us that DWS was only responsible for helping win state propositions... cascadiance Jan 2016 #46
The Republicans whose ways you're going to change will do more than tell you to shut up Empowerer Jan 2016 #69
You keep pretending we're morons. Please stop. jeff47 Jan 2016 #84
You're the one who said you couldn't start the revolution because DWS told you to shut up . . . Empowerer Jan 2016 #110
So we're terrible for actually believing our party leadership? jeff47 Jan 2016 #119
DWS wasn't responsible for the massive losses in 2010 - she didn't become DNC Chair until 2011 Empowerer Jan 2016 #127
Good thing we're talking about 2014 then. jeff47 Jan 2016 #136
+1, theres only a revolution if these guys are talked to nicely uponit7771 Jan 2016 #96
So all one has to do is tell people to shut up.... Cali_Democrat Jan 2016 #194
No, we trusted our party leadership. jeff47 Jan 2016 #195
Bernie warned the Democratic Party in 2014, did they listen? Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #28
Here's what happened to the American Dream ucrdem Jan 2016 #35
That doesn't address the issues, Bernie brought up in the video that I just posted. n/t Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #40
It addresses the OP. nt ucrdem Jan 2016 #42
No it doesn't the OP asked this. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #49
Speechifying to an empty chamber about how bad things are is less than helpful. ucrdem Jan 2016 #64
1. That's more a condemnation of the Senate than Bernie. 2. They could've viewed it on youtube if Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #99
LOL, so where are Mr Popular's senate endorsements? ucrdem Jan 2016 #109
Do you mean this lady; Nina Turner? Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #112
You mean the former Ohio state senator? ucrdem Jan 2016 #114
You also missed the point of my previous post, Bernie is the most popular Senator in the "nation," Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #133
Ah. Vermont. ucrdem Jan 2016 #140
Yes Vermont! Kudos to Vermont for giving us Bernie. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #145
Bernies is claiming he can do more than stand in front of a microphone!!! uponit7771 Jan 2016 #98
He is but this is a marathon, not a sprint. n/t Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #105
The issues were alive and well then...where was Sanders ability to mobilize people then? uponit7771 Jan 2016 #129
Bernie was a Senator from a small state, not a President with a bully pulpit, why didn't the Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #139
Most revolutionaries in America never need a large station in life to mobilize people...MLK didn't uponit7771 Jan 2016 #148
RFK had a few major advantages, having a famous name; brother of JFK, being from a larger state. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #152
None of that mattered in the black community at the time...RFK was known because he didnt hold back uponit7771 Jan 2016 #158
Of course it mattered, you don't believe having a famous name, being the brother of a beloved Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #162
ok MLK had none of that and still didnt wait to do the right thing when it was needed to be done... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #166
Bernie has never sat on the sidelines, his mobilizing ability is enhanced Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #177
Complete and utter bullshit. cui bono Jan 2016 #31
Sanders is the revolutionary not Clinton... Hes the one claiming he can move the coalition of people uponit7771 Jan 2016 #34
He was doing his job. He was speaking out. That his colleagues didn't listen to him is not his fault cui bono Jan 2016 #58
If his colleagues haven't listened to him in the decades he's been in Congress, why would they Empowerer Jan 2016 #130
Who said his colleagues haven't listened to him in the decades he's been in Congress? cui bono Jan 2016 #218
Another rational question with tons of dodges uponit7771 Jan 2016 #32
And what exactly did DWS do to stop it? hobbit709 Jan 2016 #36
Where were you in 2014, speaking of much talk and little action? - nt KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #39
He has guts for trying at all HassleCat Jan 2016 #41
Where was the party's leader Truprogressive85 Jan 2016 #50
In 2014 it was Obama's fault. Virtually every Dem candidate distanced themselves from Obama tk2kewl Jan 2016 #68
LOL Truprogressive85 Jan 2016 #75
So Sanders was waiting on the party leaders before he decides to mobolize?!?! uponit7771 Jan 2016 #71
Is. Sanders the Dem. Leader ? I could have sworn that was DWS Truprogressive85 Jan 2016 #97
no leader waits to do the right thing when it needs to be done right now... If Sanders had this... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #154
The Sanders phenomenon is a cult of personality-there is no plan redstateblues Jan 2016 #52
Hmm.. Are you a descendant of Marie Antoinette? cascadiance Jan 2016 #56
I'm a lifelong Democrat and rank and file Union member redstateblues Jan 2016 #90
Just because you choose to ignore it doesn't mean he doesn't have one! cascadiance Jan 2016 #170
Thanks for the personal insult. I'm not talking about his goals. That's all well and good redstateblues Jan 2016 #196
Maybe he hasn't built alliances with the oligarchy that you seem to feel he needs to... cascadiance Jan 2016 #214
So all the elected Democrats in Congress are Oligarchs? redstateblues Jan 2016 #225
+1, Based of all the weak dodges in this thread this seems spot on uponit7771 Jan 2016 #60
LOL!!! cui bono Jan 2016 #65
If Hillary is such an unbeatable Presidential Candiate, why didn't she defeat Dubya in 2004? Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #55
She didnt feel like it back then?! uponit7771 Jan 2016 #66
Right, she was busy doin' other stuff around then, to be sure. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #72
irrelevant, HRC has never claimed the mantel of revolutionary ... Sanders has uponit7771 Jan 2016 #76
I would say you are moving the goalposts Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #92
Sanders set the goal post for himself not others uponit7771 Jan 2016 #103
If you say so. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #104
Talk to DWS and the corporate dems who did nothing. Bernie had nothing to do with it, how pathetic litlbilly Jan 2016 #61
BERNGHAZI!!! cui bono Jan 2016 #67
We sure are getting a lot of IDIOTIC posts from both sides here. BillZBubb Jan 2016 #73
this is a fair question; why hold all this prowess Sanders has until now? uponit7771 Jan 2016 #79
You are one of the worst offenders. BillZBubb Jan 2016 #86
How is this dumb? its more than fair...why wait until now to start a revolution? uponit7771 Jan 2016 #108
Who waited? cui bono Jan 2016 #219
Hillary supporters just dont give up on the Republican/Karl Rove INdemo Jan 2016 #77
So Sanders couldn't act without the DNC?! uponit7771 Jan 2016 #82
You are making absolutely no sense INdemo Jan 2016 #107
perfect sense... Sanders didn't need the DNC to mobilize people to influence congress to get single uponit7771 Jan 2016 #141
I think you're drunk go sleep it off.............. INdemo Jan 2016 #147
Ad homs are an indicator of a weak position uponit7771 Jan 2016 #160
Something is off......for sure. SammyWinstonJack Jan 2016 #210
Oh for €¥©¢ sake. SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #83
You can't be serious? ljm2002 Jan 2016 #87
My question isn't about the Senator from the state of Vermont - it's about the movement he claims Empowerer Jan 2016 #142
The movement, arguably, started with OWS... ljm2002 Jan 2016 #192
Not Good Enough Bernie!! neverforget Jan 2016 #88
Nope, now I can see where that came from uponit7771 Jan 2016 #113
Umm, there wasn't a Presedential election in 2014. notadmblnd Jan 2016 #89
Um weren't Obama and DWS more responsible for electoral failure than Bernie? What about Pelosi... Bread and Circus Jan 2016 #94
That's true if Sanders had the ability to mobilize people to influence congress but just decided to uponit7771 Jan 2016 #120
Sorry but this whole argument is lame. Grasping desperate fail. Bread and Circus Jan 2016 #128
Hahahahha RedCappedBandit Jan 2016 #95
Why so fucking bitter? elias49 Jan 2016 #101
Dont know what these Hillary fans are smokin' tonight INdemo Jan 2016 #116
Want to see what Bernie was doing in 2014 ? Jarqui Jan 2016 #115
Oh thats good !! INdemo Jan 2016 #118
Our "Champion!" n/t ram2008 Jan 2016 #175
Well that's gotta hurt. SammyWinstonJack Jan 2016 #212
The opposition to deathrind Jan 2016 #117
The SAME place Hillary's was. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2016 #122
Not Claiming the title of revolutionary?!! Sanders claims that title not Clinton...thats his burden uponit7771 Jan 2016 #131
What does it MEAN... this thing you say. "Claiming the title of revolutionary"? cherokeeprogressive Jan 2016 #153
yes he's said this is a political revolution... he's never claimed Hillary was the leader (link) uponit7771 Jan 2016 #163
No quote. Next? cherokeeprogressive Jan 2016 #165
first paragraph uponit7771 Jan 2016 #173
I'm sorry Senator Sanders, but you won't fool children of the revolution. ucrdem Jan 2016 #123
OMG ..you know Hillary is going to lose becasue these people are INdemo Jan 2016 #138
HRC numbers are up in IA but more important Sanders has platued in SC .. where the state uponit7771 Jan 2016 #161
. Perogie Jan 2016 #132
The Revolution was waiting on Obama. He never showed up. draa Jan 2016 #146
So Sanders needed Obamas permission to mobilize people to influence congress? uponit7771 Jan 2016 #149
Perhaps you should ask Bernie. draa Jan 2016 #150
No he didn't need Obamas permission or DWS's ... Sanders, like every good leader didn't need.... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #157
Move and mobilize what? draa Jan 2016 #167
Nobody heard pf MLK either!!! MLK was literally a nobody... and mobilize people to influence congres uponit7771 Jan 2016 #169
MLK? draa Jan 2016 #179
Yes, MLK wasn't known and wasn't a senator and lead a revolution like Sanders is claiming he can uponit7771 Jan 2016 #187
Sanders and his supporters say its not about him, but about the people - and his supporters vow to Empowerer Jan 2016 #181
I'll try to answer it. draa Jan 2016 #189
OK, why do you think you WOULD have gotten ANY of this from Sanders now or back then?! tia uponit7771 Jan 2016 #191
Back then? draa Jan 2016 #197
Him being known unknown has never stopped any of the revolutionaries in the past. There have uponit7771 Jan 2016 #211
Would you rather I put you on ignore? draa Jan 2016 #213
Mhm SheenaR Jan 2016 #155
I can tell you where DonCoquixote Jan 2016 #159
Again thats a piss poor reason for some with the mobilizing ability Sanders had to sit on the uponit7771 Jan 2016 #168
being focus grouped? BainsBane Jan 2016 #164
Flame Bait 101 - Bernie "sat back and watched" in 2014 jonestonesusa Jan 2016 #172
No... worse ...he sat back and did little to nothing. If he had this ability to mobilize and move uponit7771 Jan 2016 #176
if you want to know about Senator Sanders' actions in 2014, look it up. jonestonesusa Jan 2016 #185
My question was about 2009ish, and the whole point... no matter what the year... is uponit7771 Jan 2016 #186
Let's see...where was Secretary Clinton on Wednesday night this week? jonestonesusa Jan 2016 #190
NOT being a revolutionary, that's Sanders self title not Hillarys. She want's to raise money by uponit7771 Jan 2016 #193
Good Lord... MrMickeysMom Jan 2016 #180
Let them play. It distracts them from other places on the site. nt TheBlackAdder Jan 2016 #198
Yeah, that's the ticket. Kall Jan 2016 #184
Because the Democratic Party wasn't in full collapse AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #188
Now's is your chance to vote for him foe president Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #209
Enjoy your weekend. It's going to be a bleak Monday. frylock Jan 2016 #215
Bwahahahaha... whatchamacallit Jan 2016 #217
Gerrymandering after 2010 took the House away. mmonk Jan 2016 #221
Bwahahaha.. LOVE watching you. cali Jan 2016 #222
I keep thinking there is a bottom to the horseshit Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #223
Is this all you got??? Vinca Jan 2016 #224
You don`t see a lot of action? democrank Jan 2016 #226
He couldn't be bothered. Only when it was beneficial to R B Garr Jan 2016 #227
Another asinine post. I think you've set a new record. Congratulations. nt Live and Learn Jan 2016 #228
+INFINITY. nt nc4bo Jan 2016 #229

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
199. then you admit that she can't mobilize anyone? That she is about as motivational
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 02:00 AM
Jan 2016

as a tuna sandwich? She was getting $ from the 1%. she had her priorities. If Bernie is supposed to be clairvoyant and omnipotent, why isn't she? Besides, where was Obama mobilizing? He leads the party. How is the independent senator supposed to do that for him?

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
207. Yes, I admit that and that's not a knock against her... that's not her wheelhouse she's saying
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 02:19 AM
Jan 2016

... she can skin that cat in a more effective way with unilateral decisions.. something Sanders will soon follow

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
144. Why are you folks incapable of engaging in any conversation about Sanders without bringing Hillary
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:13 AM
Jan 2016

into it?

My question has nothing to do with Hillary. It's not even about Sanders. It's about the movement he claims is not about him.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
201. The Democratic party hadn't overtly collapsed yet
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 02:02 AM
Jan 2016

...into a heap of right wing rubble. The huge right wing lurch that happened under Obama was the undoing that made revolt necessary.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
204. It's not collapsed now!!! Its dealing with a historically gerrymandered GOP congress that few if any
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 02:09 AM
Jan 2016

... leaders have had to deal with in Americas history.

That's another peeve of mine regarding the Sanders campaign; he's not telling people what they're up against... its unicorns or nothing.

Sanders didn't mobilize people to influence congress when things were easier with them, why in the world we believe he's going to such when things get harder

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
33. It takes timing and backing. We've found him now and are backing him big time!
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:08 PM
Jan 2016

Millions and Millions of us.

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
54. They keep telling us it's not about one man, but it's about the movement
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:23 PM
Jan 2016

But apparently, the movement can only manage to function behind one man . . .

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
70. It was synergy. The people at the bottom found someone at the top working on the same thing.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:29 PM
Jan 2016

It's working because we have EACH OTHERS backs.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
93. This insanity again....Obama has gotten done around 80 % of his agenda
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:40 PM
Jan 2016

.. which was very well spelled out.

Only Sanders is the one who's going to claim Obama leaned rightward...

Obama not only imperfectly had our backs but he asked for help multiple times

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
106. I can't help you with your introspection or him with his legacy.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:48 PM
Jan 2016

The future is calling. I've got work to do.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
3. +1 Sanders has never been the leader hes chided others for not being. So far it looks like he stood
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 10:55 PM
Jan 2016

... on the side lines and threw rocks when things didn't go the way he wanted them to

Nanjeanne

(4,878 posts)
5. Too many DINOs running
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 10:56 PM
Jan 2016

Dems afraid of appearing too "liberal" - many ran as Republican lite. Progressives stayed home and Republicans voted for the actual Republicans. Majority of Dems that kept their seats were the ones that weren't afraid to run on real Democratic platforms. Plus so many of them also ran away from President Obama. So many reasons there was no enthusiasm. And one really BIG reason why there is so much enthusiasm now - Senator Bernie Sanders!

Nanjeanne

(4,878 posts)
30. Yes but my hope is
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:06 PM
Jan 2016

that Democrats will grow spines seeing how well Sanders is doing generating excitement and enthusiasm. They've been bending over for so long it may be hard for them to stand up. But the good news is Bernie has inspired people like Tim Canova, a real progressive, to run against Debbie Wasserman Schultz and I'm sure there are others out there.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
43. grow spines to do what?! Punch a republican in the mouth?!?! theyre gerrymandered...a goper can burn
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:16 PM
Jan 2016

...down a children's hospital in joker face on tv and still not be voted out of office

Nanjeanne

(4,878 posts)
91. We also have a Senate
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:38 PM
Jan 2016

But wow. There are also state elections and Dems need to focus on local politics.

But take a breath. No need for such anger at me. I think I can express an opinion.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
206. With a bunch deflections on where was HRC or DWS (who wasn't even DNC lead) or anyone...
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 02:17 AM
Jan 2016

... else cause you know, Sanders really felt he needed their permission to mobilize people in vt or against congressional objections to Single Payer.

It's a fair question that puts in doubt

1. The revolution, if they weren't willing to move when things were easier what the hell are they goin to do now?
2. Sanders ability to lead; he couldn't mobilize people to influence SP in Vt... no really, VT
3. Sanders understanding of congress; either he's full of crap or he doesn't understand how a gerrymandered congress works

riversedge

(69,730 posts)
11. Sanders was having lunch with Thom Hartmann --week after week--diagnosing
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 10:59 PM
Jan 2016

problems--like he does now--but not much action or carry thru on any plans to tackle the problems

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
14. Until there is some serious thinking placed into electing
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:00 PM
Jan 2016

Democrats at every level getting Democratic issues passed in Congress. Surely those associated with Congress knows the need to defeat Republicans at every level. For those who claim not to have anyone running which excites them, how much does the crap the Republicans are trying to get passed excite them. If there was a Republican president now ACA would be repealed.

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
59. It's not an attack, it's a question - one that I've also been asking for some time and for which
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:26 PM
Jan 2016

I've never gotten an answer.

FYI, the definition of "attack" is NOT "any comment, question or observation that does not involve effusive praise for Bernie."

marble falls

(56,367 posts)
230. That's 'cause it is. I'd suspect a troll could do worse with less evidence...
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:03 AM
Feb 2016

but not much worse. All style, no substance.

honeylady

(157 posts)
16. He had to run for president to create the revolution
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:00 PM
Jan 2016

Surely, that has to be understood. He was slogging away day after day in the Senate trying to do the best for his constituents. Now is the political revolution.

white_wolf

(6,238 posts)
126. He can make MORE of a difference as president.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:00 AM
Jan 2016

Sander's has fought for change in the senate since he got there, but as president he'd have a better platform for his message. People might not care about the opinions of a senator from Vermont, but they'd listen to the President of the United States.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
18. Ugh I already answered this question in another thread.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:01 PM
Jan 2016

But the answer is easy.

We were waiting here, in the year 2015 and 2016. Where we exist.

We didn't exist then.

Easy answer!

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
51. The issues existed!!!! Single payer didnt just pop up a year ago!!! Sanders couldnt mobilize people
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:22 PM
Jan 2016

... to fight for those issues then?

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
100. lol
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:45 PM
Jan 2016

HOW DARE HE NOT DO WHAT HES DOING NOW SOONER!

If only Obama was president sooner!

If only we landed on the moon sooner!

that's not what happened so... nothing can be done. this is the present. let's exist in it.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
125. Yes, you're right... why wait till now to move people on these issues?!? Also, was the expectation
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:00 AM
Jan 2016

...that Obama do such by himself?!!?

This is more than a fair question

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
171. My point is him beimg busy is a piss poor excuse cause he's going to be MORE busy as president than
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 01:01 AM
Jan 2016

... he was as senator.

the work isn't going to get easier

So if busy was a reason NOT to act then how will he lead this revolution going foward

enid602

(8,524 posts)
19. 2016
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:01 PM
Jan 2016

The poor guy's been waing 50 years for his revolution. Where would his revolution be in 2016 without GOP help?

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
22. Surely you can provide the vote record to prove he was "doing nothing"?
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:02 PM
Jan 2016

he wasn't caucusing with the Democrats on the issues you bring up/ Can we see, or is this top-secret Clinton-only classified information?

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
24. He was the toast of the town when he was crapping on the Obama bailout.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:02 PM
Jan 2016

TARP was not good enough for Bernie. Never mind that it worked and returned a tidy profit.



jeff47

(26,549 posts)
27. We were being told to shut up, that DWS and the rest of the establishment
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:05 PM
Jan 2016

had the election taken care of. They had chosen the right candidates (over our objections) and we were going to win.

How'd that turn out again?

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
37. So your NOT going to be told to shut up after Sanders is president?! Sounds like a bunch of excuses
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:11 PM
Jan 2016

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
45. Oh, I'm sure you'll be here to tell us to shut up.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:17 PM
Jan 2016

We're just not willing to listen to your orders anymore.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
57. another non issue dodge.... being told to shut up was never an issue then
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:25 PM
Jan 2016

... these are some really weak excuses for not acting or ms
Sanders not leading

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
62. Non-issue dodge like what Sanders will do after he's elected?
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:27 PM
Jan 2016

Do you read your own posts, or just type whatever pops into your head?

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
46. They'll tell us that DWS was only responsible for helping win state propositions...
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:17 PM
Jan 2016

on things like raising the minimum wage and shouldn't be responsible for the candidates she picked losing those elections they did in the same states. That would be Bernie's fault because she and the DNC said so... So it must be4 true and should be repeated here...

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
84. You keep pretending we're morons. Please stop.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:35 PM
Jan 2016

It says far more about you than us.

We are well aware that we will be fighting this battle for a long time. Stop pretending we're idiots who think it can be won in a year.

We have been fighting for single-payer for 80 years now. We are well aware that these battles take a long time.

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
110. You're the one who said you couldn't start the revolution because DWS told you to shut up . . .
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:51 PM
Jan 2016

And I agree that these battles take a long time. But you'd better not let some of your fellow Sanders supporters see you acknowledge that since the suggestion that the revolution won't rise up and fix everything overnight really sets them off . . .

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
119. So we're terrible for actually believing our party leadership?
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:58 PM
Jan 2016

We disagreed with the candidates, but went along with the party leadership. Given the massive losses, it was a mistake to believe in our party's leadership.

But you'd better not let some of your fellow Sanders supporters see you acknowledge that since the suggestion that the revolution won't rise up and fix everything overnight really sets them off

Again, your claim that we are all morons says much more about you than us.

Btw, keep in mind if things go your way, you're going to need us to vote for the lesser of evils. Something that just really, really hurt us in 2014. Perhaps insults are not the smartest move, oh long-term thinker.

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
127. DWS wasn't responsible for the massive losses in 2010 - she didn't become DNC Chair until 2011
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:01 AM
Jan 2016

Where was your revolution in 2009-2011?

Why do you keep saying I've called you morons? I have done nothing of the kind and I will call you out on your lie as long as you keep repeating it.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
136. Good thing we're talking about 2014 then.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:06 AM
Jan 2016

Also, you'll find Kane and DWS followed similar strategies of desperately trying to distance the party from Obama, and running as Republican-lite.

Why do you keep saying I've called you morons?

It's an obvious inference from your continued claims that Sanders supporters think he will magically change everything, overnight.

Only a moron would believe that. So you claiming that we believe it means you are calling us morons.
 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
194. So all one has to do is tell people to shut up....
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 01:43 AM
Jan 2016

....and the revolution is on hold until further notice?

So all the monarchy in France had to do was tell the revolutionaries to shut up.....and it would have been put on hold?

Why didn't they think of that?

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
195. No, we trusted our party leadership.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 01:45 AM
Jan 2016

That, apparently, was a mistake. We'll be sure to not repeat it.

But thanks for attacking us for thinking our party leaders were competent!

Uncle Joe

(58,112 posts)
28. Bernie warned the Democratic Party in 2014, did they listen?
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:05 PM
Jan 2016



Published on Apr 10, 2014
Sen. Bernie Sanders discusses oligarchy in a Senate floor speech.




Thanks for the thread, Cali_Democrat.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
35. Here's what happened to the American Dream
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:10 PM
Jan 2016

after the Barack administration got through gluing it back together:

Uncle Joe

(58,112 posts)
49. No it doesn't the OP asked this.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:19 PM
Jan 2016


"Why didn't Bernie bring his "political revolution" to the table in fall of 2014?

We sure could have used it."



Bernie was speaking to the Democratic Party on the Senate floor explaining what our national dysfunctions were and his council was ignored.

These are the same messages that are propelling his campaign today and anyone running for Congress in 2014 could've done the same thing then.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
64. Speechifying to an empty chamber about how bad things are is less than helpful.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:28 PM
Jan 2016

Besides he's full of baloney. He says for years the US was the envy of the world because of economic opportunity yadda yadda. Guess what? Under the Obama administration the US added more jobs than Europe, France, and the rest of the advanced economies combined. 8.4 million new jobs in the US 2010-2015 vs. 7.9 million, per the IMF, which Politifact confirms:

According to the IMF, then, the net number of people employed in the United States has grown by about 8.4 million people. As Obama said, this is higher than all other advanced economies combined -- the 35 advanced economies outside of the United States expanded by 7.9 million in the same time frame.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jan/21/barack-obama/obama-obama-2010-us-has-created-more-jobs-all-adva/


Bernie was scaremongering for the cameras while Dems were putting America back to work. Not helpful. And no he was not a Dem in 2014.

Uncle Joe

(58,112 posts)
99. 1. That's more a condemnation of the Senate than Bernie. 2. They could've viewed it on youtube if
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:45 PM
Jan 2016

their schedules didn't permit.

Your own link states the job creation as being a "half truth"



Obama said, "Since 2010, America has put more people back to work than Europe, Japan, and all advanced economies combined."

From publicly available data, we know that since 2010, the United States has created more jobs than the 35 other advanced economies combined. However, it’s not as clear cut that this recovery involves putting "more people back to work," as Obama suggests. The labor force participation rate has consistently declined during this period, suggesting that more and more unemployed Americans are dropping out of the workforce, rather than taking new jobs.

On balance, we rate Obama's claim Half True.


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jan/21/barack-obama/obama-obama-2010-us-has-created-more-jobs-all-adva/



Bernie "the not Dem" co-founded and led for the first eight years the largest membership organization of the house caucus in the Democratic Party.



The Congressional Progressive Caucus (CPC) is the largest membership organization within the Democratic congressional caucus in the United States Congress with 69 declared members.[4] The CPC is a left-leaning organization that works to advance progressive and liberal issues and positions.[5][6][7]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Progressive_Caucus





Bernie the "scare mongerer" is he most popular Senator in the nation.




During his first year in the House, Sanders often alienated allies and colleagues with his criticism of both political parties as working primarily on behalf of the wealthy. In 1991, Sanders co-founded the Congressional Progressive Caucus, a group of mostly liberal Democrats that Sanders chaired for its first eight years.[29]

(snip)

Polling conducted in August 2011 by Public Policy Polling found that Sanders's approval rating was 67% and his disapproval rating 28%, making him then the third-most popular senator in the country.[110] Both the NAACP and the NHLA have given Sanders 100% voting scores during his tenure in the Senate.[111] In 2015 Sanders was named one of the Top 5 of The Forward 50.[112] In a November 2015 Morning Consult poll, Sanders had an approval rating of 83% among his constituents, making him the most popular senator in the country.[113]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
109. LOL, so where are Mr Popular's senate endorsements?
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:50 PM
Jan 2016

Anyone can put anything in wikipedia, and if he was all that he'd have some friends besides what's-his-name and that-other-lady.

Uncle Joe

(58,112 posts)
133. You also missed the point of my previous post, Bernie is the most popular Senator in the "nation,"
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:06 AM
Jan 2016

that would be with his constituents aka; the people.

Bernie's major democratically voted endorsements are a testament to this and an affirmation of the Wikipedia article which I posted, the membership actually voted and he won overwhelmingly.



Within minutes of one another, the progressive activist group Democracy for America and the Communications Workers of America union both backed the senator in the race for the Democratic nomination.

DFA, which was started by backers of former Vermont Governor Howard Dean’s 2004 presidential bid, has grown into a well-regarded grassroots political and issue-advocacy organization with active groups in states across the country and a track record of backing progressive candidates at the local, state and federal levels. Early in the 2016 race, the group urged Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren to seek the Democratic nomination. This month, it conducted a national poll of members that concluded December 15. Sanders won 87.9 percent of the 271,527 votes cast in a contest where an endorsement could only be secured with a super-majority (66.67 percent or more) of all the votes cast. Clinton (who is backed by Howard Dean) took 10.3 percent, while 1.1. percent backed Maryland Governor Martin O’Malley.

The level of support for Sanders was unprecedented. When the 11-year-old group held a similar vote on whether to endorse in the 2008 presidential race, no candidate cleared the super-majority hurdle.

87.9 percent of Democracy for America members voted for Sanders in a national poll.

“This is an historic moment for DFA, for the progressive movement, for the Democratic Party, for people-powered politics—and for Bernie supporters who relentlessly rallied over nine intense days to Get Out The Vote and win this pivotal endorsement,” explained Democracy for America’s executive director Charles Chamberlain. “Bernie Sanders is an unyielding populist progressive who decisively won Democracy for America members’ first presidential primary endorsement because of his lifelong commitment to taking on income inequality and the wealthy and powerful interests who are responsible for it.”

(snip)

http://www.thenation.com/article/democracy-for-america-communications-workers-union-endorse-bernie-sanders/






With a record-setting 78.6 percent of 340,665 votes cast by the MoveOn membership, Senator Bernie Sanders has won MoveOn.org Political Action’s endorsement for president with the largest total and widest margin in MoveOn history.

MoveOn.org only endorses candidates based on votes by our members. Our only previous presidential endorsement during a Democratic primary was for Barack Obama, in early 2008. In 2004, no Democratic candidate reached the threshold for an endorsement.

Here are 5 of the top reasons MoveOn members support Bernie and will mobilize on his behalf to get out the vote in Iowa, New Hampshire, and other crucial early states.

(snip)





http://front.moveon.org/top-5-for-bernie/#.Vqw2JNIrL4Y

Uncle Joe

(58,112 posts)
145. Yes Vermont! Kudos to Vermont for giving us Bernie.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:14 AM
Jan 2016


What's your answer about Democracy for America and MoveOn voting for and endorsing Bernie with such record breaking, historic numbers?

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
98. Bernies is claiming he can do more than stand in front of a microphone!!!
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:45 PM
Jan 2016

Hes claiming he can mpbolize people to change the minds of a historically gerrymanderred GOP congress...

thats a whole lot more than making speeches

Uncle Joe

(58,112 posts)
139. Bernie was a Senator from a small state, not a President with a bully pulpit, why didn't the
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:08 AM
Jan 2016

Democratic Party listen to him?

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
148. Most revolutionaries in America never need a large station in life to mobilize people...MLK didn't
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:18 AM
Jan 2016

...RFK didn't...his relationship with the black communtiy was never predicated on what someone in Washngton said... so I reject the notion that Sanders had to wait on being more than a US Senator

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
158. None of that mattered in the black community at the time...RFK was known because he didnt hold back
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:33 AM
Jan 2016

... on doing the right thing when it needed to be done

Uncle Joe

(58,112 posts)
162. Of course it mattered, you don't believe having a famous name, being the brother of a beloved
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:40 AM
Jan 2016

living, then assassinated President doesn't give you inherent emotional connections!? Not to mention coming from a larger more populous and diverse state.

I'm not taking anything away from RF K's good works but to deny those dynamics didn't give him inherent advantages in reaching out not just to African Americans but the nation as whole is to deny reality.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
166. ok MLK had none of that and still didnt wait to do the right thing when it was needed to be done...
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:50 AM
Jan 2016

... point being president or not being such has never stopped great movers in the past.

I dont think thats good enough reason for Sanders mobilizing ability to sit on the sidelines and do lottle to nothing when it was needed

Uncle Joe

(58,112 posts)
177. Bernie has never sat on the sidelines, his mobilizing ability is enhanced
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 01:07 AM
Jan 2016

because he's running for President and the people are putting their hopes on him, up until then to the vast majority of Americans he was unknown, but he has always been speaking out.



As more Americans come to know Bernie and his message, his mobilization ability is growing.

If you, Hillary or the Democratic Party in general have failed to heed Bernie's consistent decades old pleas, don't be blaming Bernie for it.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
31. Complete and utter bullshit.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:06 PM
Jan 2016

Where was Hillary? Lining her pockets with big money and getting bought and paid for. Gee, isn't that swell.

.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
34. Sanders is the revolutionary not Clinton... Hes the one claiming he can move the coalition of people
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:09 PM
Jan 2016

... to influence congress...why didnt he do that when these issues were hot in the past?

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
58. He was doing his job. He was speaking out. That his colleagues didn't listen to him is not his fault
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:25 PM
Jan 2016

He's been sounding off about all of this stuff for decades.

Now he's running a national campaign for president. The people love him so much he has fueled their fire and desire for a better life. They are flocking to him in droves. They are part of the revolution. Where were they in 2014?

Where was Obama in 2009? Why didn't he capitalize on the movement he created during his campaign? He basically told everyone to go home. He failed to use the bully pulpit. Bernie won't do that. He will take this momentum all the way into the White House.

Why are you so upset that he is trying to change things for the better? Hillary supporters say Bernie supporters want unicorns, but we give you unrivaled enthusiasm and you ask why now as if you are all spoiled brats.

This OP and your questions are the among the most ridiculous I've seen on DU. Seriously. Where was Hillary in 1995? 1974? 1985? 2002? 2011? 1978?

You guys really need to get a grip. If this is all you got, well I guess you're going to keep rolling with it but you really should pretend this is an OP by a Sanders supporter about Hillary and see how stupid it sounds.

Seriously.

.

.

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
130. If his colleagues haven't listened to him in the decades he's been in Congress, why would they
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:03 AM
Jan 2016

suddenly start listening to him just because he's president?

And if you think the OP is so ridiculous, why are you expending so much energy engaging in the ensuing discussion?

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
218. Who said his colleagues haven't listened to him in the decades he's been in Congress?
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 03:39 AM
Jan 2016

You guys are making such pathetic attempts at dismissing Sanders. This is almost as bad as making a big deal out of a slogan.

.

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
36. And what exactly did DWS do to stop it?
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:10 PM
Jan 2016

Oh yeah, she refused to endorse a Democrat and publicly supported the Republican.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
41. He has guts for trying at all
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:12 PM
Jan 2016

For 35 years, our party has been locked in on the third way, corporate strategy. Candidates who tried to push the party in a progressive direction were ignored, ostracized, etc.

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
68. In 2014 it was Obama's fault. Virtually every Dem candidate distanced themselves from Obama
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:29 PM
Jan 2016

Now Clinton is running on Obama's record because she can't run on her own.

It really makes you wonder if the DNC has any plan at all. But hey, why not blame Bernie and the voters.

Truprogressive85

(900 posts)
75. LOL
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:32 PM
Jan 2016

They have nothing left now

They just throwing anything out there


Debbie Downer doesn't care if democrats win , she collects her paychecks, sips Champagne with Corporate big wigs

Truprogressive85

(900 posts)
97. Is. Sanders the Dem. Leader ? I could have sworn that was DWS
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:44 PM
Jan 2016

Where was the Hillary Clinton ? ............................

Why didn't she come and save the day she is the leader right the pragmatist, the person that can get stuff done correct ? or Nah?

She was busy collecting all those bribes ..excuse me I mean "speaking fees"

Because we all know Big Banks always pay former Secretary of State 250k so they can talk about ... well heck we do not even know what was said in those behind the door speeches.



uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
154. no leader waits to do the right thing when it needs to be done right now... If Sanders had this...
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:26 AM
Jan 2016

... ability to mobilize it should've been used when it was needed on issues during the ACA fight etc.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
52. The Sanders phenomenon is a cult of personality-there is no plan
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:23 PM
Jan 2016

If he loses will the "revolution" continue? I seriously doubt it. He has no allies in Congress- no fellow down ballot Democratic Socialists to get things done. Will all those worshippers vote in the mid term? They sure didn't in 2014. The reality is that Democratic candidates will keep as much distance as they can between themselves and Bernie. Bernie will promise anything to win.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
90. I'm a lifelong Democrat and rank and file Union member
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:38 PM
Jan 2016

Nice dodge-Bernie has no plan- it's the Emperor's new clothing. His numbers don't add up.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
170. Just because you choose to ignore it doesn't mean he doesn't have one!
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:58 AM
Jan 2016

Financing college education through taxing speculative trades on Wall Street IS a plan that not only relieves student debt, which helps students, and helps stimulate the economy when they can spend money instead of just staying in or paying down debt to the banksters that Hillary doesn't want to tax because they PAY her for those favors, and then many like you are SUCKERS to believe the crap that this won't work or are complicit in it financially as well.

There are many other similar examples, but it isn't hard to see why those complicit with this fraud would choose to deny that Bernie has a plan to take down what has been fraud and destructive wealth redistribution to the wealthy and powerful in so many places in our society.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
196. Thanks for the personal insult. I'm not talking about his goals. That's all well and good
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 01:47 AM
Jan 2016

Why do you guys always have to throw personal attacks when someone doesn't agree with you? If I'm anything I'm not a sucker. I'm a pragmatic person who likes to get things done.I like specifics. These proposals of Bernie's cannot be done with Executive Orders. What is his plan to take back the House and the Senate? He has not done anything to build the Democratic Party. He has no alliances. I'm sorry- just saying "political revolution" is not a plan. What is his plan to get any of his proposals through Congress. What about taking back State Houses? What about his plan to deal with voter suppression? What are his plans for that? Our system requires compromise to make progress- You Bernie supporters would start screaming if Bernie compromised. Where is the wave of Democratic Socialists in Congress and in State Houses that will march arm in arm with Bernie?

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
214. Maybe he hasn't built alliances with the oligarchy that you seem to feel he needs to...
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 02:50 AM
Jan 2016

Personally, and I think MANY people in this country feel this way, he doesn't need to have pals in the oligarchy, NOR SHOULD he, to get things done. He had just here in Portland alliances of over TWENTY EIGHT THOUSAND PEOPLE in one night!!! THAT is what counts in the DEMOCRATIC system that our founding fathers had in mind to run this country in the constitution they wrote for us then. To say that doesn't count is to deny our historical foundations.

"Not done anything to build the Democratic Party?" BULL F'ING SHIT!!! He's probably been responsible for more disaffected independents now registering as Democrats to vote for him in primaries who had been growing in numbers in recent decades when they got FED UP with the CORPORATIST cancer that has taken over this party that so many are fed up with now.

What is Hillary's plan to get PROGRESSIVE proposals through the SAME congress (though probably more Republican than what Bernie would deal with as she'd have less progressive coat tails to vote in progressive Democrats the next election)? Oh, I guess for many supporting her, whether what she passes is progressive or serving the people's interests doesn't really matter? Maybe just a little social issue window dressing, but more CRAP like Free Trade bills and guest worker programs that screw more Americans out of jobs, etc. and further the wealth divide already at critical levels now.

Compromising by throwing away things like social security, letting banksters escape prosecution that even a Republican president like Reagan would have taken action on like he did in the Savings and Loan Crisis, or letting students get further in to debt, etc. and "compromising" by giving corporatists and Republicans what they want with trade bills that turn over power unconstitutionally fascist ISDS courts is not what we need. We need to hold the line there and let people know that if they want things done in this country for THEM, that they need to vote in more progressive Democrats, not SELLOUT corporatist pols that just wear a Democratic Party label.

A DOJ doesn't depend on congressional votes. It can prosecute criminals on Wall Street, and by doing so cut down on the amount of corruption and congress critters that are bought so that "compromise" becomes easier without giving up on progressive principles that too many corporatists see as the way to "compromise". Bernie's commitment to not have Wall Street people in his cabinet will also help us as well.

We're all in the same battle. Just because the battle to do things more to put in place government that is more progressive and works more for the people is a bit harder, doesn't mean that isn't what we should plan to do eventually. Giving up one's principles and calling it "compromise" isn't the way to work. The people ultimately won't accept that. If that is what you promise, a lot of people seeing empty promises will stay home and you'll still have a Republican congress and perhaps a Republican president to screw us even more.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
225. So all the elected Democrats in Congress are Oligarchs?
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 07:23 PM
Jan 2016

There are no Democrats advocating throwing away Social Security. That's hyperbole. We have some great progressive people in Congress like Sherrod Brown that you are calling corporatist sell outs because they are supporting Hillary. Throwing progressives like him under the bus is not the solution to getting more Democrats in Congress. FYI- our bicameral system of government does not get anywhere without compromise. If President Bernie brings one of his proposals to Congress and tells them to take it or leave it with no changes or compromises what do you think will happen? I voted for Democrats in the mid term-I sure hope you and all your "revolutionaries" did-until we start taking back Congress and the State Houses in the mid terms it will be very difficult no matter which Democrat is president. The idea that the bully pulpit will change things is bullshit. You need allies-help your fellow Democrats and use your popularity to help candidates in down ballot races. Bernie has not raised any money for his fellow Democrats. Hillary has.
Nowhere did I advocate compromising with Wall Street crooks. I am all for prosecuting white collar criminals. You Bernie folks think all Hillary supporters are all corrupt and crooked. The reality is that she is more progressive than President Obama-she may not be hard left like the purity police require. I think our President has done a remarkable job considering he has had a Republican Congress. He got a lot done considering they attempted to block everything he did. I know a lot of you BSS trash him too. I supported him in both elections. I happen to admire him greatly.
I liked Bernie at first, but Ill have to say I've had so many personal attacks on DU by BSS for just stating my opinion it has made me start to question his campaign. Calling me a Republican, or saying I've given up my principals when I've been a faithful lifelong Democrat is not going to further your cause. You are going to need people like me if Bernie wins the nomination.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
55. If Hillary is such an unbeatable Presidential Candiate, why didn't she defeat Dubya in 2004?
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:23 PM
Jan 2016

Riddle me that, Batman.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
92. I would say you are moving the goalposts
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:39 PM
Jan 2016

but calling this nonsense you guys have just made up whole cloth "goalposts" in the first place is giving it WAY too much credit.

 

litlbilly

(2,227 posts)
61. Talk to DWS and the corporate dems who did nothing. Bernie had nothing to do with it, how pathetic
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:26 PM
Jan 2016

can you be.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
73. We sure are getting a lot of IDIOTIC posts from both sides here.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:31 PM
Jan 2016

There was one calling Hillary a career criminal earlier.

Now we get someone blaming Bernie of all people for the 2014 disaster.

When will the stupidity stop? Lets discuss real issues.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
86. You are one of the worst offenders.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:35 PM
Jan 2016

It's a dumb question and you know it. It's just as dumb as harping on Hillary's emails.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
108. How is this dumb? its more than fair...why wait until now to start a revolution?
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:50 PM
Jan 2016

where was his mobilizing in the past when people were fighting for these issues?

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
219. Who waited?
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 03:41 AM
Jan 2016

And where is your chosen candidate's revolution?

Why did gays wait until now to get marriage equality?

Why did women wait so long to get the right to vote?

Why did blacks wait so long for civil rights?

.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
77. Hillary supporters just dont give up on the Republican/Karl Rove
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:32 PM
Jan 2016

Talking points/attacks do they...That question should be addressed to DWS
It was Debbie that didn't give a shit which party had the Majority and for your information we needed progressive
candidates that Debbie would not support because she was also the DCCC chairman.

Answer your question?

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
107. You are making absolutely no sense
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:49 PM
Jan 2016

pretty much like Hillary does when she is in her Karl Rove attack mode as well
By the way did that Right Wing advisor David Brock for Hillary hand these attack scripts out to you Hillary fans this evening?

Because you are getting nowhere....You need to google Lee Atwater or Karl Rove and lets see there was another right winger oh yes Ed Gillespie and see if there are more talking points you could perhaps pick up,cause these are not working.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
141. perfect sense... Sanders didn't need the DNC to mobilize people to influence congress to get single
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:10 AM
Jan 2016

... payer passed or thats what we're being sold now...

"They didn't nothin..." is a piss poor reason not to do the right thing

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
83. Oh for €¥©¢ sake.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:34 PM
Jan 2016

We had a Democratic president at the time. He did the best he could, given that (IMHO) he didn't, at that time, use the bully pulpit and/or negotiating skills worth a €¥©£.

Whyintheheck are you blaming Bernie??

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
87. You can't be serious?
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:36 PM
Jan 2016

You are saying that a single Senator from the state of Vermont bears responsibility for all of the Republican idiocy in Congress?

S t r e t c h i n g . . . . .

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
142. My question isn't about the Senator from the state of Vermont - it's about the movement he claims
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:12 AM
Jan 2016

will rise up and force the Republican Congress to support a liberal agenda.

Sanders consistently says this isn't about him, it's about the people and the movement. I'm simply asking where this people's movement was before now. If it's not about Sanders, then there's no reason that this movement needed to wait until he ran for President to get itself together and force the change he and they claim they can do.

So, I am asking why this movement didn't rise up and help Obama push his agenda - which, according to many Sanders people is much less progressive than Sanders' agenda and, therefore, easier to get through if Obama had the help of all of these movement people Sanders now tells us have the power to force change. Where were they then?

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
192. The movement, arguably, started with OWS...
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 01:37 AM
Jan 2016

...and Bernie is taking it to the next level. As a Senator, he has a more limited role. As a Presidential candidate, he has the opportunity to actually promote and lead the movement.

His success in this campaign so far shows the value of a national stage -- i.e. a bully pulpit. Bernie has shown that he knows how to use it. It will be one of the most important tools in his Presidency should he pull it off.

I for one am hoping that he does.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
89. Umm, there wasn't a Presedential election in 2014.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:38 PM
Jan 2016

However, in 2014 he was in the Senate doing his job and speaking out as always.

Bread and Circus

(9,454 posts)
94. Um weren't Obama and DWS more responsible for electoral failure than Bernie? What about Pelosi...
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:41 PM
Jan 2016

and Reid?

Seriously what the fuck!!!

Nah...it's Bernie's fault yo!

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
120. That's true if Sanders had the ability to mobilize people to influence congress but just decided to
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:58 PM
Jan 2016

...sit on the sidelines and chunk rocks at people

RedCappedBandit

(5,514 posts)
95. Hahahahha
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:42 PM
Jan 2016

Bernie was spreading the same message then. And he was widely popular here for doing so. What a fucking joke.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
116. Dont know what these Hillary fans are smokin' tonight
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:55 PM
Jan 2016

but its either the really good stuff or the really bad stuff,second thought its probably the bad stuff cause the good stuff puts you in good mood !!

Jarqui

(10,110 posts)
115. Want to see what Bernie was doing in 2014 ?
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:55 PM
Jan 2016
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Bernie+sanders+2014

He was doing what he's done for 50 years: fighting for us. Income Inequality, Veterans healthcare, Climate change, etc

What was Hillary doing for us in 2014?

Amount - Company
$225,500 GE
$225,500 National Automobile Dealers Association
$225,500 Premier Health Alliance
$225,500 Salesforce.com
$125,000 Novo Nordisk
$225,500 Healthcare Information Management and Systems Society
$280,000 A&E Television Networks
$222,500 Association of Corporate Counsel Southern California
$275,500 The Vancouver Board of Trade
$225,500 tinePublic Inc.
$250,000 Drug Chemical and Associated Technologies
$225,500 Pharmaceutical Care Management Association
$275,000 Board of Trade of Metropolitan Montreal
$225,000 Xerox Corporation
$225,500 Academic Partnerships
$250,500 World Affairs Council-Oregon
$225,500 Marketo, Inc.
$265,000 Let's Talk Entertainment Inc.
$225,500 Institute of Scrap Recycling Industries
$100,000 California Medical Association
$225,500 National Council for Behavioral Healthcare
$265,000 Let's Talk Entertainment Inc.
$225,500 International Dairy-Deli-Bakery Association
$225,000 United Fresh Produce Association
$150,000 tinePublic Inc.
$100,000 tinePublic Inc. (cosponsored with the Edmonoton Chamber of Commerce)
$150,000 Innovation Arts and Entertainment
$335,000 Biotechnology Industry Organization
$150,000 Innovation Arts and Entertainment
$280,000 GTCR
$225,500 Knewton, Inc.
$225,500 Ameriprise
$225,500 Corning Incorporated
$325,000 Cisco
$300,000 Nexenta Systems, Inc.
$225,500 Robbins Geller Rudman & Dowd LLP
$275,000 Cardiovascular Research Foundation
$225,500 Commercial Real Estate Women Network (CREW Network)
$275,500 Canada 2020
$260,000 Deutsche Bank AG
$265,000 Advanced Medical Technology Association
$225,500 Council of Insurance Agents and Brokers
$335,000 Qualcomm Incorporated
$225,500 Salesforce.com
$265,500 Massachusetts Conference For Women
========
$10,509,000

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
131. Not Claiming the title of revolutionary?!! Sanders claims that title not Clinton...thats his burden
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:05 AM
Jan 2016

... and standard that looks like he has never been to stand up to

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
153. What does it MEAN... this thing you say. "Claiming the title of revolutionary"?
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:25 AM
Jan 2016

Can you point me to a quote where he says... "I'm revolutionary!"? "I AM REVOLUTIONARY!" "I AM THE REVOLUTION!".

Or, as is my suspicion... is this just some stupid bullshit you made up to discredit his challenge to your chosen female candidate?

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
138. OMG ..you know Hillary is going to lose becasue these people are
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:07 AM
Jan 2016

scared and they are desperate and they must know the real poll numbers..
So stay tuned for Monday evening for Hillary's "Scream Speech" 2016
And I hope Mrs Greenspan covers it cause I want to see the look on face.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
161. HRC numbers are up in IA but more important Sanders has platued in SC .. where the state
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:39 AM
Jan 2016

...doesn't look like IA or VT.

less than a month out... thats not good for him at all....

either way, no ones sKeered of Sanders... just calling folk out on thier ....BS

draa

(975 posts)
146. The Revolution was waiting on Obama. He never showed up.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:14 AM
Jan 2016

As far as Bernie? He was busy serving on these committees with the Democrats who put him there. You'll notice he's the Ranking Member on two committees as well.

Committee assignments

Committee on the Budget (Ranking Member)
Committee on Environment and Public Works Subcommittee on Clean Air and

Nuclear Safety
Subcommittee on Green Jobs and the New Economy
Subcommittee on Transportation and Infrastructure

Committee on Energy and Natural Resources Subcommittee on Energy
Subcommittee on National Parks
Subcommittee on Water and Power

Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Subcommittee on Children and Families
Subcommittee on Primary Health and Aging (Ranking Member)

Committee on Veterans' Affairs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
157. No he didn't need Obamas permission or DWS's ... Sanders, like every good leader didn't need....
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:31 AM
Jan 2016

... permission to move and mobilize when there was no permission to be granted.

This is a fair discussion, where was this revolution and where was Sanders WILLINGNESS to move and mobilize on issues like Sandy Hook etc....

draa

(975 posts)
167. Move and mobilize what?
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:50 AM
Jan 2016

You do realize that NOBODY had heard of Bernie before April. A few knew of him but the 30 thousand you saw in Seattle sure didn't. Neither did the 20 thousand in Missouri. So tell me, if NO ONE knew of him how exactly was he supposed to mobilize people. That's just silly.

No one knew him in 2012 or 2014. How can people mobilize around what they don't know.

Thanks and good night.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
169. Nobody heard pf MLK either!!! MLK was literally a nobody... and mobilize people to influence congres
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:58 AM
Jan 2016

...congress to get his agenda passed... if he thinks he can do it now where was he then before DWS became party leader?!!?

where was this mobilizing when single payer was brought before the senate!??

draa

(975 posts)
179. MLK?
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 01:08 AM
Jan 2016

Ok, I'm not arguing Dr King with you or anyone else. It's an insult to the man you'd even bring him into this. This is about a little known Senator from Vermont who no one knew one year ago. And the fact that you pretend to be concerned and then invoke Dr King to make a point tells me you're not looking for an answer as much as an argument. I'm done.

Like I said, call Bernie or not but leave other people out of it. eom

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
187. Yes, MLK wasn't known and wasn't a senator and lead a revolution like Sanders is claiming he can
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 01:23 AM
Jan 2016

... do.

Your retort is more of a cop out, intimating Sanders needs to be high stationed in life to lead a revolution or mobilize people is not true... it helps but more people have done a lot with less than what Sanders has now.

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
181. Sanders and his supporters say its not about him, but about the people - and his supporters vow to
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 01:09 AM
Jan 2016

rise up and force Republicans to change their votes to support Sanders' platform.

But no one has answered my seminal question. Where were all these people before no? They say it's not about one man, but they also have shown now ability to mobilize and force change in Congress until Sanders came along, so it really does seem to be about him. And it's not, why did they not do their uprisings previously when President Obama could have used their help?

draa

(975 posts)
189. I'll try to answer it.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 01:27 AM
Jan 2016

I believe the people you see supporting Sanders are many of the same people who supported Obama in 2008. I voted for him myself. Many of us thought Obama would come in and punish the bankers and try to reel in some of the corruption that seems rampant in the system (mainly campaign finance reform). We also hoped he'd help the bottom of the rung a bit more as well.

People want help. Offer them help and you'll get them to the polls. If not they stay home or worse, they leave the party. The people you see supporting both Sanders ad Trump are in that group that hates what the system has become and wants shit done. Now I'll admit they're on opposite sides of the spectrum but the discontent is still there.

In other words, there's a shit load of pissed off people. And that's not good. Thanks and I hope this helps.

draa

(975 posts)
197. Back then?
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 01:50 AM
Jan 2016

He was an unknown by most people until last April. If you followed politics you might have heard of him but his policy proposals and his ideas weren't widely known. It's unlikely he could have done what he's done without the presidential race. That gave him exposure.

As far as doing what he says he wants to do? Who knows. If you'd asked me in 2007 would we have the ACA I would have said no. Most people would. And it's not about getting everything done. It's about a vision and a drive to see it through. Failure or not damn it you must try. Too many people need help to not try.

One thing I know about Bernie. He won't be bought. He may fail at everything he does but he'll fail for me and he'll fail trying. For what it's worth I believe he can get some things passed. If for no other reason than to shut the serfs up.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
211. Him being known unknown has never stopped any of the revolutionaries in the past. There have
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 02:23 AM
Jan 2016

... been many examples of virtually nobodies leading great change in this country multiple times.

Lets take his own state VT and SP, he wasn't an unknown there...

I don't remember him mobilizing enough people to change the dynamics towards SP there in his own state...

DonCoquixote

(13,615 posts)
159. I can tell you where
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:34 AM
Jan 2016

You had Debbie Wasserman Schultz singing people to sleep, telling people she had the situation well in hand. As much as Bernie can be brilliant, he has one thing going for him now that he never did, the fact that the DLC has shown themselves to be so incompetent that they no long have the benefit of the doubt, which means all it takes are a few people to say the emperor is naked for people to look. Meanwhile, Debbie was making candidates like Alison Blunders and Crimes that ran against the Obama Legacy.

In short, people would not have paid attention to Bernie until the car already started rolling off the cliff, while DWS would just keep saying "this is perfectly fine!"

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
168. Again thats a piss poor reason for some with the mobilizing ability Sanders had to sit on the
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:54 AM
Jan 2016

...sidelines and do relatively little to nothing in the area of mobilizing people to influence congress.

DWS wasn't even leader of DNC till 2010...where was Sanders before then?!!

where was this revolting when single payer needed to be passed?!

jonestonesusa

(880 posts)
172. Flame Bait 101 - Bernie "sat back and watched" in 2014
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 01:02 AM
Jan 2016

Obvious point 1: You can look up Senator Sanders' records of legislative proposals, public statements, etc. just as easy as anyone could, if this were a genuine question and not flame bait.

Obvious point 2: It's not 2014. Moving ahead to the present is an option for you and anyone else.

Obvious point 3: You could ask these same questions of any Democrat in 2014.

EPIC FAIL Op

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
176. No... worse ...he sat back and did little to nothing. If he had this ability to mobilize and move
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 01:06 AM
Jan 2016

... people like he says he does then where was this willingness to mobilize in 09 in the heat of ACA?!

jonestonesusa

(880 posts)
185. if you want to know about Senator Sanders' actions in 2014, look it up.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 01:14 AM
Jan 2016

Or post content-free flamebait on the internet. No time wasted in doing actual research - just provide fake answers to dishonest questions. Wheee!

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
186. My question was about 2009ish, and the whole point... no matter what the year... is
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 01:20 AM
Jan 2016

... where was this revolution or the person to mobilize it to get Obama's agenda passed a reluctant congress?

This is what we're being promised from Sanders now; he has the ability to mobilize...

jonestonesusa

(880 posts)
190. Let's see...where was Secretary Clinton on Wednesday night this week?
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 01:34 AM
Jan 2016

Raising money in Philadelphia from big contributors. Seeking support from black community leaders, since it's black voters that are the only remaining core constituency where she has an advantage. No more "hardworking Americans, white Americans," she's not running against a black man this campaign!

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
193. NOT being a revolutionary, that's Sanders self title not Hillarys. She want's to raise money by
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 01:38 AM
Jan 2016

... going to Philly then so be it.

Sanders is lauding himself as different morally and as a leader ... the latter is the subject of this thread, where was this revolution or Sanders back when Obama was trying to get his agenda passed congress!?!?

It was non existent and Sanders can't lead a damn thing or he would've done it in his own state when single payer came up...

This is VT!!1

VT!!!

Sanders doesn't have a track record or mobilizing revolution or even people recently...

Kall

(615 posts)
184. Yeah, that's the ticket.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 01:11 AM
Jan 2016

Senator Bernie Sanders was the problem. Not the Democratic Party as a whole doing their best not to stand for anything, under the leadership of Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
188. Because the Democratic Party wasn't in full collapse
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 01:25 AM
Jan 2016

And over taken with right-wing poison like it is now

mmonk

(52,589 posts)
221. Gerrymandering after 2010 took the House away.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 05:55 AM
Jan 2016

Democrats in the Senate misreading the situation ran away from Obama. That's how I read it.

democrank

(11,052 posts)
226. You don`t see a lot of action?
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 07:38 PM
Jan 2016

Take off your rose-colored Hillary glasses, then click on a few of the Bernie threads here. Many even have photos. Photos with lots of people. Enthusiastic people.

It takes a while to fight through the barricades set up by the Corporate Wing of the Democratic Party and the matching barricades by the Corporate Wing of the Republican Party. Not to mention Corporate Media. The little people, the ones that can`t afford to pay for $250,000.00 speeches, have to struggle to get the word out.

Just sit back and watch. Whether he gets the nomination or not, Bernie Sanders and his followers have already won.

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
227. He couldn't be bothered. Only when it was beneficial to
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 08:33 PM
Jan 2016

him did he dip his toes in to see how he might benefit. He's had literally decades to start his 'revolution, but he never bothered, instead letting others like Bill Clinton and Obama do the heavy lifting of breaking down barriers that he couldn't be bothered with.

Now that he can use the Democratic party apparatus for his benefit, he shows up to take only what's useful for him while threatening lawsuits and general mayhem. How anyone is fooled by his gimmicks is beyond me.

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