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DCBob

(24,689 posts)
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:18 AM Jan 2016

National security law expert on Clinton email issue: "not uncommon" and legal charges very unlikely.

From Christian Science Monitor..

Stephen Vladeck, an American University law professor and national security law expert, said it would be a stretch, based on what's now known, to think Clinton could be charged under any existing statute for her behavior.

"This is an area where the government tends not to test the margins too often," Vladeck said.

It's not uncommon for workers with access to classified material to mishandle it, and by far the bulk of those cases don't attract the attention of federal prosecutors.


http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2016/0130/Were-Clinton-top-secret-emails-illegal-What-history-tells-us-about-such-cases

As I said many times before this is much ado about nothing. I know the Bernie supporters and the RWingers would love this to be a bigger story but it simply is not.
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National security law expert on Clinton email issue: "not uncommon" and legal charges very unlikely. (Original Post) DCBob Jan 2016 OP
She will never be charged with anything. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #1
Of course it is. DCBob Jan 2016 #2
If you follow the story.. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #6
And you wont see Bernie talking about it, because he is better than that. Now, I cant speak randys1 Jan 2016 #55
True but that won't matter Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #59
Not Indicted 2016 Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #3
The slogan would be: "Unfairly bashed over and over and but keeps on standing". DCBob Jan 2016 #5
She has made far to many mistakes to be a good President. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #12
All of those issues are complex and have no clear cut right or wrong answer. DCBob Jan 2016 #15
Marriage equality has no right or wrong answer? Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #17
Her positions on all those issues are complex and would require a lengthy discussion for each. DCBob Jan 2016 #23
No, she was wrong about them and is wrong far to often to be a viable nominee. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #30
That's your opinion.. I simply disagree. DCBob Jan 2016 #37
Then please list some hard choices she got right. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #38
Don't have the time but in 40 years of public service one has to have made hard choices correctly... DCBob Jan 2016 #41
Then how about naming just one? Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #66
I would probably say her role in our relationship with Iran which led to the nuclear deal. DCBob Jan 2016 #71
That was Obama's call. Any Sec. of State would have been sent to do that. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #73
How do you know she wasn't involved in the decision making? DCBob Jan 2016 #74
I don't doubt her opinion was heard, but it was not her call. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #75
So her opinion was correct.. no? DCBob Jan 2016 #77
Intelligent people don't get "fooled" by George W. Bush. Scootaloo Jan 2016 #61
Libya Depaysement Jan 2016 #53
welfare reform enid602 Jan 2016 #76
So, you propose another Trey Gowdy ass whooping. Good luck. oasis Jan 2016 #16
It will come out right before the election. Yes he will be proved wrong, but not in time Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #67
Any half-baked assault on a strong female Democratic candidate oasis Jan 2016 #68
That's one prong of the investigation. mmonk Jan 2016 #4
This "investigation" has been going on for years and still no smoking gun. DCBob Jan 2016 #8
It didn't begin with a public corruption angle. mmonk Jan 2016 #18
It began with Hillery using a home email server awake Jan 2016 #24
I agree with that as well. mmonk Jan 2016 #39
Clinton- a cloud of uncertainty. Gregorian Jan 2016 #7
You've just highlighted that it was "mishandled." Speaks to judgment and decision making. EndElectoral Jan 2016 #9
I think the situation she was in made it difficult to follow the strict guidelines perfectly. DCBob Jan 2016 #13
What "situation she was in"? Sec. Clinton chose to use her personal email for work. KeepItReal Jan 2016 #27
Yes, in hindsight it would have been better to have not done the private email server thing. DCBob Jan 2016 #35
I've worked in all sectors (public/private) in technology and it is not done like that KeepItReal Jan 2016 #45
It wasn't unusual back then for government officials to use alternative email systems. DCBob Jan 2016 #46
My husband worked on classified systems all the time--didn't mishandle it. TwilightGardener Jan 2016 #10
But y'know, don't you dare give it to a journalist VulgarPoet Jan 2016 #33
There aren't going to be any charges. MineralMan Jan 2016 #11
Sorry, but you're trying to have it both ways. If you are going to state that this jonno99 Jan 2016 #57
Not illegal ~ just sloppy work and poor judgement left-of-center2012 Jan 2016 #14
Hillary has made a few mistakes in her 5 decades in public service. DCBob Jan 2016 #32
Notice "based on what's now known" Punkingal Jan 2016 #19
He's just covering himself and tying to be very careful in his statements. DCBob Jan 2016 #28
But how can any of us know? Punkingal Jan 2016 #34
This investigation has been going on for years.. DCBob Jan 2016 #36
I don't even see why people's minds even go there treestar Jan 2016 #20
Makes headlines. DCBob Jan 2016 #26
Yes. Heightened drama. treestar Jan 2016 #31
Here is WAPO with a new smear article on the emails 6chars Jan 2016 #65
It's personal for some people Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2016 #56
Stephen Vladeck is a known status quo DLC oligarch wyldwolf Jan 2016 #21
I agree she won't be indicted Nanjeanne Jan 2016 #22
Don't worry.. she can handle anything the Republicans can throw at her. DCBob Jan 2016 #25
And I feel quite confident in Bernie Nanjeanne Jan 2016 #40
Bernie has no idea what is coming if he somehow miraculously wins the nomination. DCBob Jan 2016 #42
Thanks for your advice Nanjeanne Jan 2016 #43
In case you haven't noticed Vermont is probably the most liberal/least diverse state in the country. DCBob Jan 2016 #44
Oh I see Nanjeanne Jan 2016 #51
Its more than that but that's part of it for sure. DCBob Jan 2016 #52
My husband and I could have chosen any state to retire to -- we certainly did not consider Arkansas karynnj Jan 2016 #62
Another GOP lead attack with suspect timing liberal N proud Jan 2016 #29
They are dictated by a judge ordering them at the end of each month karynnj Jan 2016 #48
Strawman: the issue is HRC will be indicted -- Reality: this is a serious negative issue that hurts karynnj Jan 2016 #47
Its an issue that most voters have been hearing about for many months and have dismissed. DCBob Jan 2016 #49
I think you are likely correct that people have already absorbed the issue karynnj Jan 2016 #64
I think once the investigations are over.. and they will eventually be over.. DCBob Jan 2016 #72
That's what the banksters said about sub-prime loans. "not uncommon" and legal charges unlikely". Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2016 #50
Agreed pandr32 Jan 2016 #54
Kevin McCarthy stated this plainly, the Benghazi hearings was about destroying Hillary. Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #58
I don't think she'll be charged SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #60
Of course she won't nadinbrzezinski Jan 2016 #63
The concept that Clinton is facing an indictment is silly Gothmog Jan 2016 #69
Yes it is but the media loves it and the Republicans and Bernie supporters keep pushing it. DCBob Jan 2016 #70
Bernie wouldn't benefit anyway. Renew Deal Jan 2016 #78

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
2. Of course it is.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:22 AM
Jan 2016

I would expect it from the Republicans but its a bit shocking to hear the same from those who also consider themselves Democrats.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
6. If you follow the story..
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:27 AM
Jan 2016

If you follow the story, most Republican prosecutors and former prosecutors believe Hillary should be in the dock and most Democratic prosecutors and former prosecutors believe she did nothing illegal.


Chris Christie is on CNN talking about it now as we speak.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
55. And you wont see Bernie talking about it, because he is better than that. Now, I cant speak
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 01:12 PM
Jan 2016

for some of his supporters.

This supporter thinks anyone who pushes this story has an agenda.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
59. True but that won't matter
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 01:25 PM
Jan 2016

THe Right-wing propaganda machine will beat a dead horse until it works for them.
The only question is - when will they start.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
3. Not Indicted 2016
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:23 AM
Jan 2016

Not much of a slogan.



Besides, we all know the Republican House will launch it's own investigation and release a report full of lies just before the General if Hillary is the nominee.


It would be great if the truth ruled all, it doesn't. She should have known better than to use a private server, she didn't.

One more example of her terrible judgement.


DCBob

(24,689 posts)
5. The slogan would be: "Unfairly bashed over and over and but keeps on standing".
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:26 AM
Jan 2016

Hillary is one tough lady and will make a tremendous President.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
12. She has made far to many mistakes to be a good President.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:36 AM
Jan 2016

No fly zone in Syria

Marriage a sacred bond between a man and a woman

19 minute speech trying to convince other Senators to vote in favor of the Iraq war with her

Failed to pass health care reform as first lady

Support for NAFTA

Support for Welfare Reform

The list goes on and on. Yes, once the polls show that a majority of Americans disagree with her she will flip and get on the right side of things. That is far to late. If elected she will continue to make terrible mistakes and be a terrible President. Then we will lose badly in 2020 and the (R)s will be able to gain power in state governments and gerrymander districts in their favor, again.

Hillary should not be our nominee. Tough isn't good enough.


DCBob

(24,689 posts)
15. All of those issues are complex and have no clear cut right or wrong answer.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:40 AM
Jan 2016

The bottom line to me is that she is probably the most experienced and intelligent person to ever run for President.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
17. Marriage equality has no right or wrong answer?
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:43 AM
Jan 2016

The Iraq war has no right or wrong answer?


Sorry, I disagree.



No way the person who did those things is even close to being the most experienced or intelligent to ever run for President.



DCBob

(24,689 posts)
23. Her positions on all those issues are complex and would require a lengthy discussion for each.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:51 AM
Jan 2016

I dont have time at the moment to discuss them all and I am sure it wouldn't change your mind anyway. Im just stating how I feel and how many others who support Hillary feel.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
30. No, she was wrong about them and is wrong far to often to be a viable nominee.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:56 AM
Jan 2016


If elected there is the real possibility that she would be a terrible President.

Try to list some hard decisions that she was right about. Good luck with that.

Woman's rights and health care for children are not hard choices. Of course she got those right, any reasonable person would.

She seems to always get the tougher ones wrong. Always.


DCBob

(24,689 posts)
41. Don't have the time but in 40 years of public service one has to have made hard choices correctly...
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:26 PM
Jan 2016

or they would not have survived.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
66. Then how about naming just one?
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 02:54 PM
Jan 2016

Surely you have time for that!

Or can't it be done?


She had 4 years as Sec. of State, where Pres. Obama was making the decisions and only 8 years as a Senator when she could have actually been making some decisions.

That 40 years of experience making decisions is a unicorn.




DCBob

(24,689 posts)
71. I would probably say her role in our relationship with Iran which led to the nuclear deal.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 06:57 PM
Jan 2016

Not sure if she was the one who made all the final decisions but she surely played the key role in developing and implementing sanctions against Iran during her time as SOS which ultimately led to the nuclear agreement after she left. That will likely be President Obama's greatest legacy which will be shared by both SOS's Clinton and Kerry.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
73. That was Obama's call. Any Sec. of State would have been sent to do that.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 11:13 AM
Jan 2016

She had no decision making role in that process.

Yes, she handled the tasks assigned to her well. I would never argue against that, but she has trouble making good decisions.


Let me give you an example of one call she did get right. Unfortunately she flipped on it, apparently because of a lack of integrity.





Now lets try to find one that she actually got right and kept with it. Again, good luck with that.


 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
75. I don't doubt her opinion was heard, but it was not her call.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 12:41 PM
Jan 2016

That large a policy decision is not made at the Cabinet level.

Besides, we don't know if she was even in favor of it or not. Only that Pres. Obama made the right call.


enid602

(8,615 posts)
76. welfare reform
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 12:55 PM
Jan 2016

Why is reinstatement of welfare (Aid For Families with Dependents) not on Bernie's wish list? His supporters always bring up Bill Clinton's signing the Welfare Reform Bill (even though he did not have the support to veto it), but fall short of calling for its reinstatement.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
67. It will come out right before the election. Yes he will be proved wrong, but not in time
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 02:59 PM
Jan 2016

to save the General election for us.


Not only Hillary, but all (D)s on the ticket will be hurt by it.



DCBob

(24,689 posts)
8. This "investigation" has been going on for years and still no smoking gun.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:28 AM
Jan 2016

Why? Because there is none.

awake

(3,226 posts)
24. It began with Hillery using a home email server
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:51 AM
Jan 2016

Hillary is not the victim of anyone else but her own actions.

EndElectoral

(4,213 posts)
9. You've just highlighted that it was "mishandled." Speaks to judgment and decision making.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:29 AM
Jan 2016

I'm not advocating she be thrown in jail, just that it's just one more in a series of poor decisions by her.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
13. I think the situation she was in made it difficult to follow the strict guidelines perfectly.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:37 AM
Jan 2016

I suspect every SOS has done similar things.

KeepItReal

(7,769 posts)
27. What "situation she was in"? Sec. Clinton chose to use her personal email for work.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:54 AM
Jan 2016

She had a secure, government-provided email account standing by.

She chose not to use the Department of State email account provisioned.

The only situation she was in was created by her decision to comingle a personal email account with official State Department (and any other official business) emails.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
35. Yes, in hindsight it would have been better to have not done the private email server thing.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:01 PM
Jan 2016

She has admitted that. I dont really hold that against her. I think she was just trying to keep it simple and keep it under her control. I might have done the same in her situation.

KeepItReal

(7,769 posts)
45. I've worked in all sectors (public/private) in technology and it is not done like that
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:46 PM
Jan 2016

Only contractors may have scenarios where they could use their original company email addresses, but most clients will insist on contractors using a client-provided email account for work-related messages. Emails between 2 different domains/companies are *NOT* secure unless person-to-person encryption is used.

For an Executive to *not* use company or organization-administered email for work-related communications is extremely unusual. Folks lower in the food chain would not even think of going off standard-issue organization email.

Wanting to go off-script in terms of hardware is more common, though (like President Obama insisting on his Blackberry - and even POTUS wet through channels to keep it secure)

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
46. It wasn't unusual back then for government officials to use alternative email systems.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:48 PM
Jan 2016

Things have changed now but back then it was allowed.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
10. My husband worked on classified systems all the time--didn't mishandle it.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:30 AM
Jan 2016

What bullshit. "Everyone does it!"

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
33. But y'know, don't you dare give it to a journalist
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:59 AM
Jan 2016

so he can blow wide open the immoral shit your county's been doing, then you're just a traitor and deserve to be hung

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
11. There aren't going to be any charges.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:31 AM
Jan 2016

This investigation is a ripe plum on a low branch, ready for anyone to pick. And there are people lined up to pick this one.

There's no criminal there there. None.

jonno99

(2,620 posts)
57. Sorry, but you're trying to have it both ways. If you are going to state that this
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 01:16 PM
Jan 2016

investigation is merely "low hanging fruit", you must define the tree from which the fruit originates.

IMO - it is the tree of "questionable" (and perhaps "illegal&quot activities about which we speak. And please note that this fruit did not grow on it's own - it was not placed there by wingers; no, this fruit is of Hillary's own cultivation, it's there by her own hand.

Criminal? I don't know - time may tell.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
32. Hillary has made a few mistakes in her 5 decades in public service.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:58 AM
Jan 2016

Those who are perfect may cast stones.

Punkingal

(9,522 posts)
19. Notice "based on what's now known"
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:44 AM
Jan 2016

I really hope there is nothing to this email stuff...because if she is the nominee, I don't want her pulling us over a cliff with her because it turns out to be a problem.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
28. He's just covering himself and tying to be very careful in his statements.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:55 AM
Jan 2016

But its clear to me his overall opinion is that this is much ado about nothing.

Punkingal

(9,522 posts)
34. But how can any of us know?
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:00 PM
Jan 2016

This is an FBI investigation. I just worry that we will get screwed down the road because she gets in trouble. (And I honestly don't want that to happen.)

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
36. This investigation has been going on for years..
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:05 PM
Jan 2016

and they still have not found anything of illegal significance.. why? Because there is nothing there.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
20. I don't even see why people's minds even go there
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:45 AM
Jan 2016

Some people seem so punitive they want criminal charges for every little mishap. It's reminiscent of right wingers. The world is just not a perfect place and the things that go awry are not always at the level of criminal. It's the black and white mindset.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
26. Makes headlines.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:54 AM
Jan 2016

It unfortunate and unfair Hilary has to deal with all this crap but that's politics.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
56. It's personal for some people
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 01:13 PM
Jan 2016

Republicans don't want to face her and some left-wingers REALLY don't want her to be the nominee and have to vote for her. Both groups want to see her washed out of the race. So far, both groups, despite some titilating headlines, aren't getting what they want.

Nanjeanne

(4,959 posts)
22. I agree she won't be indicted
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:48 AM
Jan 2016

But that won't stop Republicans going after her in a General Election. I think her judgment makes her much more vulnerable in the general than the Red baiting that Bernie will face. Bernie has a reputation of integrity that pushes back a lot of noise. Hillary has a reputation of dishonesty that encourages noise.

Not saying that dishonesty mantle is valid. But it sure makes her less electable in a general to me.

Nanjeanne

(4,959 posts)
40. And I feel quite confident in Bernie
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:17 PM
Jan 2016

After all he has been in many more elections than Hillary and done quite well.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
42. Bernie has no idea what is coming if he somehow miraculously wins the nomination.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:34 PM
Jan 2016

Running for office in Vermont does not prepare one for running for President.

Nanjeanne

(4,959 posts)
43. Thanks for your advice
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:39 PM
Jan 2016

I will pass it along to all the Governers who run for President. Because being the Governer of Arkasas gave Bill LOTS of experience. And of course Obama was a Senator for some years from Illinois so no wonder Hillary went after him too. Me? I think both Obama and Sanders have way better judgement than Hillary. But that's what makes politics so interesting. All these pronouncements that have been proven wrong so many times.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
44. In case you haven't noticed Vermont is probably the most liberal/least diverse state in the country.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:43 PM
Jan 2016

Which makes it one of the most unrepresentative states in the country.. which backs up my initial claims.

Nanjeanne

(4,959 posts)
51. Oh I see
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 01:00 PM
Jan 2016

It's the Bernie can't get POC meme.

Thanks! I'll just fold my chair up and go home now. Hillary's got it in the bag, doncha know. As Carville said in his recent email to Clinton supporters (yes I get them since I gave money long ago to the DNC) - she's the most qualified maybe since George Washington!

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
52. Its more than that but that's part of it for sure.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 01:04 PM
Jan 2016

Its clear Bernie has a problem connecting with non-white voters. That's a problem for any candidate running in a general election.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
62. My husband and I could have chosen any state to retire to -- we certainly did not consider Arkansas
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 01:29 PM
Jan 2016

- though we did visit the Ozark area in Missouri/Arkansas -- which incidentally was the ONLY state my extended family ever had our annual reunion in where the immediate (and long term) conclusion was not to ever even consider returning. (Not so, Illinois, Indiana, Wisconsin, Minnesota, WA, OR, CA, NC, AZ, KY, MI ...) This was not one person -- but the unanimous view of the then about 20 adults.)

Vermont, on the other hand, was what we wanted. Not just the beauty and the many things we wanted to do, but the genuine decency and sense of community. I have never seen any place where as high a percent of the community actually engages in the political discourse and where so much that makes the town good is done by volunteers. I have always lived in smaller towns than Burlington - whether in Indiana or NJ -- but in none was it even remotely respected that people have access to elected officials. Burlington may have 42,000 people, but everyone knows they can get face time with the mayor. In our part of town, he regularly comes to a bagel place from 8 to 9 every Wednesday morning and anyone can ask him anything.

Of course, VT is not a typical state -- but, Thank God, neither is Arkansas. Where VT ranks very high on nearly every quality of life measurement, Arkansas is near the bottom. I remember when Bill Clinton ran in 1992 - he touted what they did on education - but Arkansas was in the bottom 10 (and I think bottom 5) states - and this was after all he and Hillary did - and they tried very very hard. Arkansas was among the worst on environmental issues - notably that they allowed a major chicken producer to contaminate the rivers in part of the state. Bill Clinton was NOT elected for what he accomplished in Arkansas, but his words and his charisma against at least some 2016 HRC like opponents who knew they had the better resume.

Bernie was mayor of Burlington at a key time - the fact is that starting when he was in office Burlington became a better place to live and work - not just for some - but for most of the community. Yes, VT is not that diverse, but mostly white Chittendon country (where Burlington is) applied to be a refugee resettlement area in the late 1980s - and that continues until today. The community has worked hard to absorb these people and help them create productive lives. That means that it is not unusual as you walk or bike around town that you see people from Somalia, wearing long dresses and veils .. or people from Nepal, many traditionally dressed etc.

My husband and I volunteered a couple of hours a week in a first grade class. About a fourth of the kids were either POC, mostly refugees. The teacher was incredible in handling the diversity and from our observation, the kids did not self segregate. (The school used volunteers to allow more one on one work with kids where needed, including many doing quite well but having no parent they could read to because they had the best English in the family.)

All I know is that Bernie could use photos of Burlington before he was mayor ... contrasted to photos as he left and argue that he wants to do for America what he did for Burlington. Note Bill Clinton did not even try that --- running instead on the hope that he and his personal story personified.

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
29. Another GOP lead attack with suspect timing
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:56 AM
Jan 2016

The email server announcements have all been timed with important moments in Hillary’s run at the White House.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
48. They are dictated by a judge ordering them at the end of each month
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:56 PM
Jan 2016

Yesterday was the last working day of January. Not to mention, the SD has only part of this last batch ready, so they couldn't have put them out - say 2 weeks ago.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
47. Strawman: the issue is HRC will be indicted -- Reality: this is a serious negative issue that hurts
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:54 PM
Jan 2016

The quote rejects the idea that she will be indicted. However, the CW for months is that she will not be indicted, but that her actions showed the HRC perchance for secrecy and considering that rules were for others. Fair or not, those are negative memes that existed before this that are validated by this.

Your quote addresses the strawman, which few here fear will happen. You did not touch how this impacts how HRC is seen -- even though their is ample polling to suggest that she has been hurt by this - in terms of honesty and trustworthiness.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
49. Its an issue that most voters have been hearing about for many months and have dismissed.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:56 PM
Jan 2016

For most, if there was actually something there it would have been found by now.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
64. I think you are likely correct that people have already absorbed the issue
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 01:42 PM
Jan 2016

I disagree that they have dismissed it as nothing happened.

They likely have rejected it as something that would change their vote. In that way, she is very lucky that she does not have an opponent who could be said to have - for the most part - a similar platform - as was true for Obama and Edwards.

In the general election, that will be more stark. I assume that there will be many facing a less drastic version of what we in NJ thought we had to face in 2002. I know that I and many others had realized that we would vote for the ethically impaired Toricelli over his right wing Republican opponent (Forrest?). I think that - if the party had not pushed him to resign allowing them to replace him with the wonderful Lautenberg - Toricelli would have been reelected because we would be voting for someone to cast votes in line with the Democrats and because it was thought that we could determine control of the Senate.

Now, I don't think Clinton is as ethically problematic as Torricelli, but I could list many many politicians I think are cleaner - starting with Sanders and Obama.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
72. I think once the investigations are over.. and they will eventually be over..
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 07:14 PM
Jan 2016

and nothing of substance will be found and no charges will be made, most voters will see her as the innocent victim and the Republicans as the vicious attackers.

pandr32

(11,581 posts)
54. Agreed
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 01:06 PM
Jan 2016

It comes right on the heels of that Benghazi movie, too. So many millions spent, not to mention valuable time and energy, trying to tear down the most qualified candidate on the American political landscape. Why? Certainly not because she has "ties to Wall Street" or "was for the TPP" before she wasn't. That is just part of the rhetorical package of well-funded smear.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
58. Kevin McCarthy stated this plainly, the Benghazi hearings was about destroying Hillary.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 01:22 PM
Jan 2016

The emails came up in the Benghazi hearings, the changes of email use started in the Obama administration.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
60. I don't think she'll be charged
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 01:29 PM
Jan 2016

but I'm betting that whomever was sending the classified email will be charged.

Her out is that it wasn't marked "classified", so she can credibly say that she didn't realize she had classified info on an unclassified system.

But the person/people sending it? They knew it was classified and sent it anyway.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
63. Of course she won't
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 01:37 PM
Jan 2016

she is very well connected. If she were private clinton, that would be a different story.

But hey, whatever.

I agree, there will be zero charges and no, I am not saying this because I favor one candidate over the other,. I am saying this because if you are a member of the establishment and rich, and white, your chances of facing charges are minimized by orders of magnitude, no matter what you do.

This is the reality of the judicial system in the United States right now. Just go ask people at the hood about that.

DCBob

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70. Yes it is but the media loves it and the Republicans and Bernie supporters keep pushing it.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 06:39 PM
Jan 2016

Its an ugly symbiotic relationship of those that benefit.

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