I proudly stand with the New York Times in their endorsement of Hillary Clinton

[DemocratSinceBirth]

Hillary Clinton
for the Democratic
Nomination
Voters have the chance to choose one of
the most broadly and deeply qualified
presidential candidates in modern history.


For the past painful year, the Republican presidential contenders have been bombarding Americans with empty propaganda slogans and competing, bizarrely, to present themselves as the least experienced person for the most important elected job in the world. Democratic primary voters, on the other hand, after a substantive debate over real issues, have the chance to nominate one of the most broadly and deeply qualified presidential candidates in modern history.

Hillary Clinton would be the first woman nominated by a major party. She served as a senator from a major state (New York) and as secretary of state — not to mention her experience on the national stage as first lady with her brilliant and flawed husband, President Bill Clinton. The Times editorial board has endorsed her three times for federal office — twice for Senate and once in the 2008 Democratic presidential primary — and is doing so again with confidence and enthusiasm.

Mrs. Clinton’s main opponent, Senator Bernie Sanders, a self-described Democratic Socialist, has proved to be more formidable than most people, including Mrs. Clinton, anticipated. He has brought income inequality and the lingering pain of the middle class to center stage and pushed Mrs. Clinton a bit more to the left than she might have gone on economic issues. Mr. Sanders has also surfaced important foreign policy questions, including the need for greater restraint in the use of military force.


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/31/opinion/sunday/hillary-clinton-endorsement.html?_r=0

ENJOY YOUR SATURDAY

[ram2008]

1. They endorsed her in 2008 as well

I stand with their endorsement of picking the losing candidate.

[George II]

7. In 2008 she was running against two very strong Democratic candidates, this year....

.....she's the only strong Democrat in the race.

[AgingAmerican]

26. Then why are her supporters going off the deep end the last few days?

And why is she suddenly crying for more debates after 8 months of ducking and dodging them if she is such a sure thing?

[George II]

49. Who is "going off the deep end"? Have you seen the current list of "Greatest Threads"....

....here on DU? Five threads, all five bashing Clinton for one thing or another:

Somthing amazing just happened!
349 recs : By Bubzer

Fuck Them
252 recs : By liberalnarb

Susan Sarandon: Hillary failed me
221 recs : By Cheese Sandwich

Time To Move On
216 recs : By angrychair

Hillary Helps Swiss Bank Avoid IRS—and Then It Funnels Millions to the Clintons
153 recs : By snagglepuss

[totodeinhere]

112. Yes it's true. Most of us get it about her.

Sorry if that offends some but I for one will continue to tell it like it is about her and what a terrible president she would make.

[SunSeeker]

56. It was Rachel Maddow who pushed for the pre-New Hampshire debate. It's Sanders who demands 3 more.

Hillary is not "crying" for more debates. Sanders and O'Malley are.

It is not Hillary supporters but some Sanders supporters and Sanders campaign staff that have gone off the "deep end." So much so that they have had to issue an apology.

It's not Hillary supporters who have been swarming people's Facebook pages for endorsing a top Dem candidate. It is not Hillary supporters who berate and accuse people of color of having "Stockholm" or women of "voting with their vaginas" just because they support the rival Dem candidate.

Your post encapsulates how truly divorced from the facts some Sanders supporters have become.

[tarheelsunc]

75. Exactly. Sanders supporters on this site don't realize how much harm they are doing their candidate

When undecided voters see the crap they constantly say about Clinton, it's definitely not going to make them break towards Sanders. It's funny how he always talks about how he refuses to attack or go negative (a LIE), but his supporters are rabidly attacking Clinton instead of building up their own candidate.

I've never seen a group of people so eager to claim they are victims at the same time they are viciously attacking other people.

[BlueMTexpat]

128. Hillary supporters "going off the deep end" ... really?

Thanks for the chuckle. I too am aging and laughing is healthy internal jogging.

[Ned_Devine]

32. And the other two represent the strongest democratic principles

But yes, she definitely represents the current party the best.

[CorporatistNation]

108. I'l Take The Guy With The Messy Hair....

Anyone ever inquire what she pays for a haircut? She is the Third Way CORPORATIST candidate of Wall Street and... of course The Oligarchy so one would expect that she would have a tendency towards quality hair cuts...

[frylock]

73. Which is going to make it all the harder for you guys to accept when she loses so badly to Bernie.

[abakan]

85. Dream on..

We will see who is strong and who is not on Monday.

[question everything]

119. And the most qualified of both parties

It was interesting, though. NYT broke the whole email story and has been critical of her so I was wondering. Even if they "held their nose" she is the most qualified.

When are the New York primaries, by the way?

[George II]

120. New York's primary is on April 19 - 233 delegates, second only to California.

There hasn't been a poll released since June, but at that time Clinton was ahead by 55-15, with Biden at 9. As we've seen just about all of Biden's support wound up going to Clinton.

New York is a shoo-in, probably by at least 15%.

[Kentonio]

131. June?

[jalan48]

43. LOL

[ElliotCarver]

2. LOL

[JonLeibowitz]

3. I don't. Their reporting this year of the election has been beyond the pale.

Believe it or not (and in spite of their editorial board's recent editorial opinion), the Washington Post has had much better coverage. At least they haven't been outright lying about the campaign.

[alcibiades_mystery]

4. ESTAAAAAAAAAABLISHMENT

[SCantiGOP]

117. The sign of a Sanders fan:

CAPS LOCK key is stuck

[Jarqui]

5. Good sign. History repeating itself!

NYT Editorial Primary Choices: Hillary Clinton
JAN. 25, 2008
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/25/opinion/25fri1.html?_r=0

[riversedge]

12. ONLY IN your bubble.

[Politicub]

62. I'm surprised your post didn't end with neener neener neener

[Duval]

82. Good one, Jarqui!

[George II]

6. What a great endorsement, not just the endorsement of the NYT itself, but the content...

....of that editorial.

There will inevitably be naysayers, of course, but the sheer weight of an endorsement by the New York Times is huge.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention DSB!

[NurseJackie]

55. There are a few kinds words for Bernie that his ad-writers can cleverly insert into one of his ads.

"In a recent endorsement, the New York Times says 'he has brought income inequality and the lingering pain of the middle class to center stage'."

[George II]

63. You mean like the new ad in Iowa where they lifted a positive line about Sanders from the.....

....De Moines Register, implying that the De Moines Register endorsed Sanders?

http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/bernie-sanders-tv-ad-claims-des-moines-register-endorsed-him-it-actually-endorsed-hillary-clinton/23701/

This article points out the uptick in recent devious actions by the Sanders campaign:

"Just one day after a pair of major advocacy groups both accused Bernie Sanders of using print advertising to falsely claiming that they had endorsed him, his campaign is now running television ads which misrepresent the position of an influential Iowa newspaper. The new Sanders ads claim that the Des Moines Register has endorsed him. That’s a problem, because the newspaper has actually endorsed his democratic party rival Hillary Clinton instead."

"Over the past two days the AARP and the League of Conservation Voters have both accused Bernie Sanders of falsely claiming that he had their endorsements, when the AARP hasn’t endorsed anyone and the LCV has actually endorsed Clinton. The Nevada Culinary Union has accused Sanders staffers of impersonating union members in order to gain improper access to other members. But the fake Des Moines Register endorsement, which has been documented by the New York Times, may be the most controversial yet."

As they say, desperate times call for desperate measures.

[NurseJackie]

68. Yes! Wasn't that clever!? The height of integrity!

Just give a partial quote, out of context, and sandwich it between other actual endorsements, and it too can be easily mistaken as being an actual endorsement from the cited source.

Sometimes I wonder if these ad-writers just throw up their hands in frustration and exclaim "Fuck it! What have we got to lose!?"

[tarheelsunc]

77. St. Bernard would never do such a thing! Clinton supporters are making stuff up again

[hobbit709]

8. Some will stand with just about anyone.

[riversedge]

9. Stay steady Hillary--and congratulations

[Iliyah]

10. K & R

[MineralMan]

11. An unsurprising endorsement, really.

One I agree with, too.

[Hortensis]

110. Agree. Hillary's an outstanding candidate.

Agree with DemocratSinceBirth's excellent post also. Me too.

[Punkingal]

13. I won't stand with that Iraq war-mongering paper for any reason.

[Gregorian]

14. I'm pretty sure the guy in your avatar is voting for Bernie.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. I wouldn't be presumptuous enough to speak him but you can, I guess

I'm pretty sure the guy in your avatar is voting for Bernie.

-Gregorian

I wouldn't be presumptuous enough to speak him but you can, I guess

That is an interesting photo...Bill is looking at him like a friend...Hillary is looking at him reverentially, like she is in the presence of a deity.

[Gregorian]

66. If I'm correct, he has changed his mind.

It took some persuading, but he is firmly in Bernie's camp. That's my understanding.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

72. If you believe you can speak for Muhammad Ali

If you believe you can speak for Muhammad Ali there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion. I will say I am beyond flabbergasted at the feeling of entitlement that allows you to believe you do.

[1StrongBlackMan]

78. Where are you getting your information? eom.

[wildeyed]

143. Interesting!

Wow. I had not heard that. Do you have a link? I would be very interested to learn more

[Gregorian]

144. It's a long story. I decided not to go into it. I should have kept my mouth shut.

I blame it on the Bern.

[bkkyosemite]

16. I don't...........could you get the pic any larger

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. I will try to find a larger one later. Thanks for the suggestion.

Have a terrific weekend.

[MissDeeds]

44. Had to show off that $600 hair cut

[Cal33]

17. The NYT no longer is the great Independent newspaper it had been for such a long time. It,

too, to a large extent, has now been bought over by Republicans. The degeneration of this
once-great paper is plain for everyone to see.

[workinclasszero]

18. She is the only candidate on either side

that is qualified to be president IMO

WTG NYT!

[RoccoR5955]

67. Oh?

She is the only one who meets the qualifications? I don't think so. I believe that ALL THREE candidates are qualified to be president. The matter is preference.

Just in case you forgot, here they are:
Age and Citizenship requirements - US Constitution, Article II, Section 1
No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.

Term limit amendment - US Constitution, Amendment XXII, Section 1 - ratified February 27, 1951
No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.

I got that from the US Constitution. You can look it up yourself if you wish.

[workinclasszero]

71. The matter is preference.

True, that's what I meant, sorry.

Cruz now, he really isn't qualified is he? Wasn't he born in Canada?

Of course he was that white skin goin for him

[RoccoR5955]

99. Hey,

I wanna see ALL the RepubliCONs' birth certificates. I think a couple were not born, but hatched, and a couple are aliens from another planet.
Then there are Cruz and Rubio. I don't think either one qualifies.

[workinclasszero]

100. hahaha!

I wanna see ALL the RepubliCONs' birth certificates. I think a couple were not born, but hatched, and a couple are aliens from another planet.

That would explain a lot I guess.

[DCBob]

19. I agree.. I have no doubt she will make a great President.

I am encouraged that she will be one of the most effective Presidents ever given her extensive background and experience and "get it done" "no non-sense" attitude. Looking forward to a great 8 years with Hillary at the helm!

[marble falls]

53. I support Bernie and I am not happy with Hillary (I will vote for her if somehow..

she gets the nomination) but the one thing she was good at was State Department. Other than the poor decision she made regarding e-mail service even if it was legal, she did good work even on issues I disagree with: Keystone, TPP being two.

I think she'd be a great Secty of State for President Sanders if John Kerry has had enough.

[ejbr]

20. The part about

being pushed more to the left than she would otherwise be is concerning. Does this imply that the prose in which she would govern would backtrack on these issues? It seems to reaffirm many people's belief that she may not practice what she preaches. But as a New Yorker myself, she would have to be an unmitigated disaster for the Times not to endorse her. I guess that should count for something.

[Stuckinthebush]

22. Me, too! Not long now until the candidacy

Let the games begin!

[H2O Man]

23. Recommended.

Thank you.

[NurseJackie]

24. Sunshine she's here, you can take a break!

[colsohlibgal]

25. Logical Deduction

Standing for HRC is standing tall for Wall Street and crony capitalism as well.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

27. Respectfully, my esteemed interlocutor, your logic is flawed

The Wall Street Journal is the voice of Wall Street and The Gray Lady is the voice of informed and responsible liberalism.

[Scootaloo]

35. Except for all the times it presented anti-Clinton articles, and was a "worthless rag."

it seems to me that the standard for "informed and responsible liberalism" is wholly reliant on whether or not Clinton is being praised by the source.

At which point did Hillary Clinton become the absolute definition of liberalism?

[Art_from_Ark]

139. I think that was around the time that Judith Miller

was shilling for the Iraq War.

Or maybe when Maureen Dowd was shilling for George Bush versus Al Gore.

[ErisDiscordia]

41. I loved the months they devoted to the stained blue dress

and the impeachment and all....they couldn't talk of anything else!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

54. It sold papers.

The blue dress was an odd keepsake, would you agree?

[NurseJackie]

29. ???

[SoapBox]

28. I'll proudly stand with the millions that do not.

No more Clintons.

[Scootaloo]

30. Okay. Good for you?

[fbc]

31. She is a human with no soul who stands for nothing

except her own personal ambition.

[840high]

126. .^that

[LiberalElite]

33. What a brave, visionary endorsement of the status quo nt

[Duckhunter935]

34. I am not

[DemocratSinceBirth]

38. Thank you for kicking my thread and I hope the hunting is fun.

As a plebeian I have to go to the laundry room of my humble apartment complex to get my clothes out of the dryer.

I am confident you will have a witty riposte and I look forward to reading it when I get back.


With love,
DemocratSinceBirth

[Duckhunter935]

45. I do not hunt

I do not mind kicking as most agree with me.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

52. Can you kick it later for me, please.

Thank you in advance.

[wildeyed]

142. Can I kick it?

Yes you can!

Thread needs a soundtrack. Your welcome

[comradebillyboy]

36. Despite the fact that the New York Times is deeply flawed

they are still the most highly regarded newspaper in the US and I applaud their endorsement of Hillary.

[Nanjeanne]

37. Good for them

Hopefully it will have as much impact on the primaries outcome as it did in 2008.

[Helen Borg]

40. And I don't.

[MissDeeds]

42. The NYT endorsement means diddly squat to me

I vote based on issues, ethics, and integrity. Sorry the Times doesn't value those qualities in a candidate.

Go Bernie!!!

[Robbins]

46. well

they are both liars so they deserve each other

[vkkv]

47. cuz... HRC supporters believe in freedom of speech! See content text for proof!

"" You have been BLOCKED from participating in the HILLARY CLINTON GROUP by one of its HOSTS""

[jalan48]

48. Where's Wall Street again?

[Alfresco]

50. ** She's Ready ** I'm Ready ** America's Ready **

[whatchamacallit]

51. I notice you omitted 'proudly' from this one. Lol.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

59. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. I proudly corrected it./nt

[NastyRiffraff]

61. I'll supply it!

I proudly stand with the New York Times in their endorsement of Hillary Clinton.

[dpatbrown]

57. NYT, The Cheney newspaper

[SunSeeker]

58. K & R

[Politicub]

60. Wonderful endorsement

I admire Bernie's vision and ability to fire people up around a common cause, but believe Hillary has the ability, grit and drive to actually get things done.

[DesertRat]

74. Well said

[vkkv]

87. Your "beliefs" and an empty bucket

is still an empty bucket.


Bernie's 'belief' in not voting for the War On Iraq could have saved the U.S. three trillion dollars and thousands of lives.. you can't even FIT that into a bucket.

[Politicub]

104. You don't have to be rude

My beliefs are mine. I get that you support Sanders. That's great.

If he should win the nom, will you continue hurling rude comments at strangers?

[GeorgeGist]

141. The better idea will never, ever come to pass.

Cheers!

[RoccoR5955]

64. Ahh, a corporatist

I understand. You care more about the corporations than WE THE PEOPLE.
Good luck with your choice.

[Paladin]

65. As do I. (nt)

[brentspeak]

69. An anonymous internet poster can't "proudly stand with" anybody n/t

[1StrongBlackMan]

83. Why not? eom.

[bvf]

109. Excellent point!

It will require some thought among many, but there's no denying the fact.

Deserves a rec on its own.

[saynotoplutocrats]

70. As do I!

[randr]

76. I don't question your resolve for Hillary

but proud of the NYT? The paper of record for all CIA mis-information during the Viet Nam era?

[Hiraeth]

79. of course you do.

now stand there with pie on your face. how good you look!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

84. WoW

of course you do.
now stand there with pie on your face. how good you look!

-Hiraeth

Dear Sir or Madame:


I don't even know how to respond to your puerile insult though I will give it the proverbial "college try". I will take the high road, be the bigger person, and not respond to your puerile insult in kind.

With warmest regards,

DemocratSinceBirth

P.S. I will dispense with the highfalutin language. I don't get off how people think "Gee, I am going to diss DemocratSinceBirth and he is going to cower and not respond." That's not how I roll.

[Hiraeth]

88. oh please. how passive aggressive, non response/response can you get.

you crack me up even more.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

90. "Don't hate the playa, hate the game."

oh please. how passive aggressive, non response/response can you get.

you crack me up even more.

"Don't hate the playa, hate the game."


I play by the rules of this board.

But I do feel it is odd you need to disrespect strangers, without cause.

Do you disrespect folks in real life?

How does it work out for you?


Thank you in advance.

Respectfully,

DemocratSinceBirth

[Hiraeth]

91. Face it. Your Schtick with the proudly standing is old and past the due date.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

93. I follow the beat of my own drummer.

Your Schtick with the proudly standing is old and past the due date.

I follow the beat of my own drummer.

And the 49 people who recommended it appear to like my drummer too:


Oh, these threads are ersatz Venus Fly Traps for my friends and frenemies.


#lol@me

[Hiraeth]

95. then, you should be able to take the ribbing thrown your way.

#lol@metoo

[DemocratSinceBirth]

97. I do take the ribbing.

I enjoy the back and forth, the ripostes, and the clever repartee.

[Hiraeth]

98. as do I

[DemocratSinceBirth]

115. You are making me feel bad now. I apologize for the overreaction.

I will tell you a "funny", true, "pie in the face" story.


When I was a young man in the 1980s I had a friend named Mark. He was about eight years years older than me and crazy. There was a Penthouse Pet signing autographs at the Volusia Mall in Daytona Beach, Florida. He felt or ostensibly felt what Penthouse Pets do is immoral so he brought a pie with him and when it came time to getting her autograph he smashed her in the face with it and ran away. Daytona Beach was/is kind of a small town so she found out who he was. She sent him an autographed magazine and in the centerfold of her was the greeting "To Mark, F--- You" .

[Hiraeth]

116. LOL. I hope he framed it in a gold guilded matted frame. Great story. Thanks for sharing it.

[bvf]

105. Then again, you really don't have much choice.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

114. You are correct, sir or madame.There is no alert system here for me to hide behind./nt

[bvf]

121. Dickishness and buffoonery

are relative, as you well know.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

122. Sir or madame, I don't know. Would you please elaborate?

Dickishness and buffoonery are relative, as you well know.

-bvf

Sir or madame, I don't know. Would you please elaborate.





Thank you in advance.



Respectfully,

DemocratSinceBirth

[bvf]

123. Nope!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

124. I believe I know what you are getting at...

I have been posting here since 2003. Prior to this primary season I never had an alert and never had a hide. After accumulating three hides in a matter of weeks I did what any prudent person would do and dramatically altered my posting style.

In the immortal words of David Mamet's Elliot Ness in the Untouchables , " I have become what I beheld and I am content that I have done right! "

[bvf]

125. High marks for pointlessness. Nearly perfect, in fact.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

130. What was pointless?

Thank you in advance.


Respectfully,
DemocratSinceBirth

[bvf]

132. That'll be a nice sig line, thanks.

Can I credit you?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

133. You can credit me for making you a better poster.

[bvf]

134. How evasive.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

135. That is something I wish to demur from taking credit for./nt

[bvf]

136. Too bad for you then, huh?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

137. What is too bad for me, sir or madame ? /nt

[bvf]

138. Right.

/TTAR

[workinclasszero]

102. I hope you plan on posting the big poll today DSB

Good or bad, I have to get your take on it along with a great music video of course.

[bvf]

94. Ain't it a hoot?

[Hiraeth]

96. Like an owl

yep

[Rosa Luxemburg]

80. well good luck, as they say

[Duval]

81. I do not

[bvf]

86. While you're up, have a look around for Judith Miller.

[floriduck]

89. You sure do stand a lot.

Sit yourself down and enjoy the caucus.

Bern on!

[Lage Nom Ai]

92. And She Proudly Stands

With the Millionaire class
http://www.alternet.org/media/media-millionaires-journalism-and-001-percent

[840high]

127. ..+1

[Gothmog]

101. This is a major endorsement

[bvf]

107. If you're stuck in the 1990s, yes.

[cherokeeprogressive]

103. Awesome for her. I proudly don't.

[mcar]

106. K&R

[Sheepshank]

111. It's very cool that they continue to have so much confidence in Hillary

Go team Hillary!!!

[w4rma]

113. The New York Times endorsed Kasich, not Clinton. Clinton's endorsement was limited to the primary.

Which brings us to their actual choice: John Kasich.

That’s right, The New York Times is throwing its support (with the standard caveats) to Kasich. Here’s why:

Gov. John Kasich of Ohio, though a distinct underdog, is the only plausible choice for Republicans tired of the extremism and inexperience on display in this race…

As a veteran of partisan fights and bipartisan deals during nearly two decades in the House, he has been capable of compromise and believes in the ability of government to improve lives. He favors a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants, and he speaks of government’s duty to protect the poor, the mentally ill and others “in the shadows.” While Republicans in Congress tried more than 60 times to kill Obamacare, Mr. Kasich did an end-run around Ohio’s Republican Legislature to secure a $13 billion Medicaid expansion to cover more people in his state.

Their endorsement of Kasich is tempered with the understanding that he is pro-life, anti-gay marriage, and has “gone after public-sector unions.” Still, they credit him for attempting to run a more civil campaign than his Republican opponents.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/nyt-editorial-board-endorses-hillary-and-the-only-plausible-choice-for-the-gop/

[DesertRat]

118. k&r!

[Warren DeMontague]

129. They also endorsed the Iraq War.

That she voted for.


No Thanks.

[GeorgeGist]

140. Sing it, DSB

The better idea will never, ever come to pass.