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Nanjeanne

(4,915 posts)
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:13 PM Jan 2016

Clinton Gets $13 Million From Health Industry, Now Says Single-Payer Will "Never, Ever Come "


POLITICAL CAPITAL
Hillary Clinton Gets $13 Million From Health Industry, Now Says Single-Payer Will "Never, Ever Come To Pass"
BY DAVID SIROTA

Closing out her Iowa campaign, Hillary Clinton on Friday declared that the Medicare-for-all proposal pushed by her Democratic primary opponent and many liberal groups will “never, ever come to pass.” The statement came weeks after a new poll showed most Americans support the idea. Her declaration was a reversal of her position two decades ago — which came before she received millions of dollars of campaign cash from the health industry.

Clinton’s comments, which were made during an appearance at Grand View University in Iowa, were aimed at Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders, who has long championed the kind of government administered health care system used by many major industrialized nations. Of Sanders’ proposal, Clinton said on Friday: "People who have health emergencies can't wait for us to have a theoretical debate about some better idea that will never, ever come to pass." The Kaiser Family Foundation’s December 2015 tracking poll found that 58 percent of Americans support expanding Medicare to cover everyone.

Clinton's slammed the push for single-payer even though some of the major labor unions supporting her campaign have long cited that goal as a top legislative priority. Her comments also contrast with what she herself said in 1994 during remarks to the Lehman Brothers Health Corporation. As CBS News notes, back then she declared that a single-payer system was all but inevitable, saying: “I believe that by the year 2000 we will have a single payer system. I don’t think it’s — I don’t even think it’s a close call politically ... it will be such a huge popular issue in the sense of populist issue that even if it’s not successful the first time, it will eventually be.”

Between that declaration and her now saying single-payer can never pass, Clinton has vacuumed in roughly $13.2 million from sources in the health sector, according to data compiled by the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics. That includes $11.2 million from the sector when Clinton was a senator and $2 million from health industry sources during her 2016 presidential campaign. In a 2006 story about her relationship with the health industry, the New York Times noted that during her Senate reelection campaign, she was "receiving hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign contributions from doctors, hospitals, drug manufacturers and insurers" and had become "the No. 2 recipient of donations from the industry."


Clinton and her daughter Chelsea have suggested that Sanders plan would dismantle the Affordable Care Act, which Sanders voted for. Sanders has disputed that and has also disputed that passing a single-payer system is impossible if a president pushes it.

In 2014, that view got a boost from then-Iowa Sen. Tom Harkin. He told the Hill newspaper that year that when it came to creating a Medicare-for-all system or a government-run health care option in the Affordable Care Act, “We had the votes in ’09. We had a huge majority in the House, we had 60 votes in the Senate.”

Democrats, however, are not expected to have such numbers in Congress after the 2016

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Clinton Gets $13 Million From Health Industry, Now Says Single-Payer Will "Never, Ever Come " (Original Post) Nanjeanne Jan 2016 OP
So Predictable - HRC - Represents The 1% - Not The 99% cantbeserious Jan 2016 #1
Always has, always will. nt hifiguy Jan 2016 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author AtomicKitten Jan 2016 #34
Never, Ever? TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #2
She doesn't even say with the current Congress. She says "never, ever." californiabernin Jan 2016 #12
I'm amazed by how she sold out - I think even 2008 Hillary would be appalled by 2016 Hillary! reformist2 Jan 2016 #13
Yep, it's amazing. TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #14
She was paid a lot to CHANGE THE MINDS of the 80% of Democrats that wanted single payer. stillwaiting Jan 2016 #46
Yes, it's insulting. TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #49
If you want to be responsible for this country's never getting Medicare for All, keep merrily Jan 2016 #3
I can't understand why we can't have single payer... Snarkoleptic Jan 2016 #23
I must say, I expected we'd have single payer by now back when Obama got elected. n/t Plappergeist Jan 2016 #4
I remember the fight for Single Payer and then just a Public Option. jhart3333 Jan 2016 #20
“...by the year 2000 we will have a single payer system... it will eventually be successful.” nt ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #5
did she say this? nt retrowire Jan 2016 #31
Link baran Jan 2016 #36
facepalms for Hillary... nt retrowire Jan 2016 #37
Quite frankly she doesn't deserve our nomination Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #6
Stating the obvious there. senz Jan 2016 #22
You can say that again and again and again and again... nt stillwaiting Jan 2016 #47
She's a bought, thoroughly compromised politician. Broward Jan 2016 #7
No, she said Sanders's plan will never ever pass Recursion Jan 2016 #8
Please don't ruin everyone's fun. NanceGreggs Jan 2016 #41
do you think single payer will come from a politician that has taken 13 mill to stop it? questionseverything Jan 2016 #48
Bernie will get Medicare for All or a republican president will repeal the ACA. Autumn Jan 2016 #9
Hey, when she's bought hifiguy Jan 2016 #10
Always will. She owes 840high Jan 2016 #27
Nixon in a pantsuit. hifiguy Jan 2016 #39
Obama and Hillary doing the big insurance company dance. jalan48 Jan 2016 #15
Spot on.... ViseGrip Jan 2016 #26
standin' in the doorway to keep the Bronze people out of the Platinum facilities MisterP Jan 2016 #16
That's about the gist of it Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #42
She's really really doubling down on the bad advice she's getting Populist_Prole Jan 2016 #17
This is the point in Animal Farm where you can't tell the pigs from the humans Bread and Circus Jan 2016 #18
A snapshot of her administration. Phlem Jan 2016 #19
She's not that blind. hifiguy Jan 2016 #40
Exactly. This is hard evidence that Phlem Jan 2016 #50
No We Can't! Cassiopeia Jan 2016 #21
Love your sig line, it is so true. senz Jan 2016 #24
hillary 2016: don't dare to dream restorefreedom Jan 2016 #25
Hillary, the gift that keeps on giving..... daleanime Jan 2016 #30
!!!!!!! nt restorefreedom Jan 2016 #32
...... daleanime Jan 2016 #28
why do Hillary supporters retrowire Jan 2016 #29
Actually... davidthegnome Jan 2016 #33
Nice! Enthusiast Jan 2016 #45
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #35
She will never, ever stop taking their $$$$$....ka-ching! CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #38
Corruption. cali Jan 2016 #43
Sorry, Hillary. We will achieve single payer. The rest of the world has it, or haven't you noticed? Enthusiast Jan 2016 #44
Hillary is corrupt. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #51
If America wanted a weak, vacillating, clueless, out of touch elitist in the White House tularetom Jan 2016 #52
so blatant amborin Feb 2016 #53

Response to cantbeserious (Reply #1)

 

californiabernin

(421 posts)
12. She doesn't even say with the current Congress. She says "never, ever."
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:45 PM
Jan 2016

This is the exact opposite kind of "visionary" our Party needs now!

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
46. She was paid a lot to CHANGE THE MINDS of the 80% of Democrats that wanted single payer.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 02:58 PM
Jan 2016

I have no doubt about this.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
3. If you want to be responsible for this country's never getting Medicare for All, keep
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:19 PM
Jan 2016

voting for New Democrats, bought and paid for politicians and those who are center right to right.

Then, you too, can have on your conscience that the US pays the most for health care in the world, yet has poor outcomes. BTW, "poor health outcomes" is a nice way of saying preventable deaths occur, among other bad things.

jhart3333

(332 posts)
20. I remember the fight for Single Payer and then just a Public Option.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 01:31 AM
Jan 2016

What did we hear out of the Obama White House? Crickets. That's when I knew I'd been bamboozled.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
8. No, she said Sanders's plan will never ever pass
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:28 PM
Jan 2016

We may well get single payer, but it won't be through a plan that somehow projects pharmaceutical spending will be negative.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
41. Please don't ruin everyone's fun.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 04:29 AM
Jan 2016

They know she was referring to Bernie's plan, not single payer itself.

But they obviously enjoy pretending otherwise. So let them play - while they can.

Autumn

(44,980 posts)
9. Bernie will get Medicare for All or a republican president will repeal the ACA.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:33 PM
Jan 2016

She really should have thought that Single-Payer Will "Never, Ever Come to pass" comment over real well before it ever left her lips.

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
17. She's really really doubling down on the bad advice she's getting
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 01:15 AM
Jan 2016

Buncha' focus group technocratic bullshit. I can just hear it: "Go right, Go right....we need those independent conservative voters....this is a center-right country...."

Of course I don't mind it. Better she stand out in sharp relief from a real Democrat.

Bread and Circus

(9,454 posts)
18. This is the point in Animal Farm where you can't tell the pigs from the humans
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 01:21 AM
Jan 2016

Hey...some Animals are more equal that others!

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
19. A snapshot of her administration.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 01:26 AM
Jan 2016

Is she really that blind?

My 9 year old could figure it out.

Are we really as a nation this stupid?

Even if Bernie wins this Democratic Presidential race is really, no REALLY showing the contrast of our party in detail.

C'mon.

All you need are red lights blinking all around it with 20 giant red arrows surrounded by and pointing directly at it.

This is insane.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
50. Exactly. This is hard evidence that
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 04:02 PM
Jan 2016

shows what she say's now, WILL CHANGE once she gets into office (and even before).

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
25. hillary 2016: don't dare to dream
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 01:45 AM
Jan 2016

hillary 2016: keep hope dead

hillary 2016: care that never delivers

hillary 2016: rich lives matter

hillary 2016: yes we can, but fuck, we just don't want to

davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
33. Actually...
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 02:09 AM
Jan 2016

Er, uhm, yes, it can. All it actually requires is a group of our elected representatives who are willing to do their jobs and actually represent the people who elected them. A whole lot of things were "theoretical", before they became "real". I keep hearing people saying that this is never going to happen, which just kind of boggles my mind. It can happen, it will happen, if we keep fighting for it, and vote for people who fight for it.

Obama took the first step - not as big of a step as many of us had hoped for, but a step nonetheless. Problem is - ff we're going to mandate that everyone be covered by health insurance, then we need to somehow ensure that everyone CAN be covered by health insurance. Otherwise it's like punishing someone for not having an SUV in the winter, because they can't afford the payments or the gas. A seven hundred dollar fine for me, for not having health insurance, when the only plan I could possibly get was a 314 dollar a month catastrophic plan. I'm very part time due to health issues right now - and make roughly 300 dollars a month after taxes. I think I might qualify for an exemption, looking into that now, but if I don't... I'll end up paying 700 bucks for not having insurance, because I could not afford insurance. The ACA doesn't apply when you make as little income as I do - and my state rejected the medicaid expansion (primarily thanks to Governor LePage).

The best way to do this is through a single payer system. I'm poor as hell, but, TAX ME for it, seize my state and federal returns, if that's what it takes. Please, go ahead, if it means that I and lots of other people can get health insurance... TAX ME. We make it federal, we apply some kind of flat tax percentage so that everyone has to pay something (provided they have income), and we solve a whole NationLoad of issues with health insurance finance, affordability, access to care.

No one in America should have to die because they can't afford health insurance. No one in America should have to pay out money they don't have because they can't afford health insurance.

The ACA helped many people, but it also left many people out in the cold. The public option we needed was surrendered without much of a fight. I don't know what (if any) changes Clinton would make to the ACA, but it is not enough to bandage half-assed legislation, we need the real thing.

The whole mentality of, "We can't do this, so let's not even try." has defeated many, many noble ideas and goals throughout history. It required people thinking differently, acting differently, possessed of courage, passion - and strength, to accomplish what would "never, ever happen". Lincoln, FDR, Kennedy, all gave us some pretty decent examples of this. Scientists, teachers, fire fighters, police officers, janitors... all kinds of people give us still more, if we pay attention.

Anything can be done, if we have the courage to try.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
44. Sorry, Hillary. We will achieve single payer. The rest of the world has it, or haven't you noticed?
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 07:53 AM
Jan 2016

The only reason we don't have it yet is because of the influence of corporate money over the election and legislative process. This is another problem we must solve.

Bernie has solved the problem on a personal level by not accepting corporate money.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
52. If America wanted a weak, vacillating, clueless, out of touch elitist in the White House
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 04:20 PM
Jan 2016

President Mitt Romney would be hitting the campaign trail for re-election in Iowa today.

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