2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumNo death blow tonight
It appears Clinton will eke out a close victory over Sanders. Probably. But the close finish casts doubt on the inevitable-ness of the Clinton path to the presidency. She looks vulnerable. Going into this thing, she had lock on the nomination. Now she has to fight for it, and that means going after Sanders much more aggressively, using negative campaign ads. This will affect her general election campaign somehow, but how? Will voters look at her more unfavorably? Beating up on poor old Bernie Sanders may not go down well, and the Clinton campaign will look for a way to hurt Sanders without appearing to mirror the right wing BS about socialists, communists, etc. That's difficult because Clinton, so far, has portrayed Sanders as too far left. Once again, our favored candidate is trying to position herself not too far left and not too far right. It usually works, but it gets trickier each election for our candidate to be like the Republicans, but not too much like them.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)brooklynite
(94,482 posts)...but second, Sanders is still not showing any strength outside of NH, and we'll quickly move on to States more favorable to Clinton
cali
(114,904 posts)HassleCat
(6,409 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)uponit7771
(90,329 posts)... in 99% white Iowa and NH
DanTex
(20,709 posts)In order to have a chance, he needed a big win in Iowa, and then hope for some momentum effect.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)I live in nh and I'm well beyond starting to be offended by your rhetoric.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)bunnies
(15,859 posts)But it feels like you're trying to paint us as racists. The demographics are what they are. I never chose to be in a white area. Its just where I grew up.
uponit7771
(90,329 posts)... among the poor, blacks, Hispanics, gays, women and cute puppies*** we all support Hillary.
*** cute puppies don't get to vote in primaries
Tien1985
(920 posts)poor, hispanic, trans, gay person supports Sanders. Along with plenty of other people I know just like me. But by all means, keep saying "we all support Hillary." That doesn't sound like erasure or anything.
uponit7771
(90,329 posts)... doesn't mean shit this year so we'll all have to wait.
I think a long dem fight is good for the DNC... either introduce Hillary more or Sanders more...
We still win with either one IMHO
floriduck
(2,262 posts)I don't see the state of Washington anywhere. So it's meaningless at this point. And we sure as hell aren't below Louisiana.
basselope
(2,565 posts)uponit7771
(90,329 posts)... its mid 30s with PoC... he's not doing too well outside of VT, NH and IA like states
basselope
(2,565 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)basselope
(2,565 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)basselope
(2,565 posts)uponit7771
(90,329 posts)... breaks out of that group and can get into the 40s with blacks and Hispanics in SC for instance...
We'd be in for a long run this election cycle
uponit7771
(90,329 posts)... they've been missing in the last 6 years
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Flying Phoenix
(114 posts)Went from 80% to close to a dead heat, and it's not over. Round 2 heavily favors Bernie.
(when I say steroid laden, I mean she's already gotten over 50% of the available superdelegates)
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)Because math. Iowa should be Sanders strength, since his base is white liberals. He needed to kill here and then get some momentum with black Democrats. I don't see that happening.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)The massive underdog needed to win by 20 points. Makes perfect sense.
Demographics. Sorry if that is hard for you.
basselope
(2,565 posts)She is getting her clock cleaned in New Hampshire.
Really nowhere to go for her... but down.
uponit7771
(90,329 posts)... see
basselope
(2,565 posts)uponit7771
(90,329 posts)A December poll by YouGov of South Carolina Democrats found that Sanders and Clinton were effectively tied among whites, but Clinton was winning about 80 percent of the black vote, compared to about 20 percent for Sanders.
basselope
(2,565 posts)uponit7771
(90,329 posts)wildeyed
(11,243 posts)next door to Sanders home state. And then SC. BOOM! You got Vermont to look forward to in March
uponit7771
(90,329 posts)... the poor, blacks, Hispanics, gays and cut puppies are supporting Hillary.
Sanders hasn't turned the aforementioned groups so far
mpcamb
(2,870 posts)"...Once again, our favored candidate is trying to position herself not too far left and not too far right. It usually works, but it gets trickier each election for our candidate TO BE LIKE THE REPUBLICANS, but not too much like them."
(EMPHASIS MINE )
WHY BE LIKE THEM AT ALL? THERE'S NO HONOR IN THAT.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)WTH?
We are DEMOCRATS, the OPPOSITION party, not trying to be like rethugs!! (Unless you're on the Hill side & just being honest?)
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)And she doesn't campaign very nicely when she's mad. Personally I don't think she does mad very well, but you never know.
You can bet she'll look for every opportunity to take him down.
Bernie better not do any screaming into mics or that scream will be deemed seated in dementia.
Stuckinthebush
(10,843 posts)He didn't. He's done