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HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 11:22 PM Feb 2016

No death blow tonight

It appears Clinton will eke out a close victory over Sanders. Probably. But the close finish casts doubt on the inevitable-ness of the Clinton path to the presidency. She looks vulnerable. Going into this thing, she had lock on the nomination. Now she has to fight for it, and that means going after Sanders much more aggressively, using negative campaign ads. This will affect her general election campaign somehow, but how? Will voters look at her more unfavorably? Beating up on poor old Bernie Sanders may not go down well, and the Clinton campaign will look for a way to hurt Sanders without appearing to mirror the right wing BS about socialists, communists, etc. That's difficult because Clinton, so far, has portrayed Sanders as too far left. Once again, our favored candidate is trying to position herself not too far left and not too far right. It usually works, but it gets trickier each election for our candidate to be like the Republicans, but not too much like them.

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No death blow tonight (Original Post) HassleCat Feb 2016 OP
Still a lot of outstanding caucus sites in 'Bernie Country' Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #1
First, nobody on the Clinton side has been saying "inevitable"... brooklynite Feb 2016 #2
Just watch. cali Feb 2016 #6
Oh, I didn't realize Iowa was the same as New Hampshire. My bad. (eom) HassleCat Feb 2016 #13
Not as quickly as you'd like. morningfog Feb 2016 #17
+1, SC et al will speak to Sanders viability louder than IA or NH... Sanders weakness isn't uponit7771 Feb 2016 #19
Bernie blows a big opportunity. Not too many states as white as Iowa. He's got NH, VT. DanTex Feb 2016 #3
Dan, really? bunnies Feb 2016 #9
It's not rhetoric. Iowa is one of the whitest states. Bernie does best with white voters. DanTex Feb 2016 #10
I get your point. bunnies Feb 2016 #12
Come on people, how is that .. sigh... Sanders message resonates with affluent white liberals uponit7771 Feb 2016 #28
Funny how this Tien1985 Feb 2016 #31
"how this" != the majority, I'm not being anectdotal ... it's polling data which we see uponit7771 Feb 2016 #35
I have to question the accuracy of this chart. floriduck Feb 2016 #32
What does white have to do with anything? basselope Feb 2016 #18
After 7 months Sanders is still polling in the high teens with blacks in SC and overall with uponit7771 Feb 2016 #21
That mid 30's is up from 10% just a month or so ago. basselope Feb 2016 #25
White voters are where Bernie is strongest. Iowa's demographics favor Bernie. DanTex Feb 2016 #23
That is a false talking point. basselope Feb 2016 #26
Check any poll. DanTex Feb 2016 #27
I have, which is why I called it false. basselope Feb 2016 #34
no... the poor also favor HRC... Sanders wheel house has been white affluent liberals if he uponit7771 Feb 2016 #29
+1, It's like Sanders and MSM don't think the PoC votes will make the difference... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #20
If Sanders doesn't go negative, you can bet his supporters will continue carrying the load. Hoyt Feb 2016 #4
I think more of a steroid laden Clinton taking a pummeling, but it's only Round 1 Flying Phoenix Feb 2016 #5
No. wildeyed Feb 2016 #7
Oh, I see your point. HassleCat Feb 2016 #14
Math. wildeyed Feb 2016 #16
Clinton had a much stronger ground game and is failing to win. basselope Feb 2016 #22
We'll see... right now Sanders is polling in the teens with blacks in SC... after 7 months... we'll uponit7771 Feb 2016 #30
That's not true basselope Feb 2016 #33
Inside that poll, we're talking about blacks not all of SC... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #36
And that number has been shrinking ever since. basselope Feb 2016 #38
last week?!... no... it's a recent poll and so is the marist poll with the 40% spread which is newer uponit7771 Feb 2016 #40
Mmmmm, white liberal New Hampshire wildeyed Feb 2016 #37
Sanders did well to match Hillary but mostly affluent whites are already suppporting him while uponit7771 Feb 2016 #24
Why be like the Republicans? mpcamb Feb 2016 #8
No kidding. RiverLover Feb 2016 #15
How will this effect Hillary? It's gonna make her MAD! HereSince1628 Feb 2016 #11
He had to win Stuckinthebush Feb 2016 #39

brooklynite

(94,482 posts)
2. First, nobody on the Clinton side has been saying "inevitable"...
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 11:23 PM
Feb 2016

...but second, Sanders is still not showing any strength outside of NH, and we'll quickly move on to States more favorable to Clinton

uponit7771

(90,329 posts)
19. +1, SC et al will speak to Sanders viability louder than IA or NH... Sanders weakness isn't
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 12:11 AM
Feb 2016

... in 99% white Iowa and NH

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
3. Bernie blows a big opportunity. Not too many states as white as Iowa. He's got NH, VT.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 11:25 PM
Feb 2016

In order to have a chance, he needed a big win in Iowa, and then hope for some momentum effect.

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
12. I get your point.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 11:40 PM
Feb 2016

But it feels like you're trying to paint us as racists. The demographics are what they are. I never chose to be in a white area. Its just where I grew up.

uponit7771

(90,329 posts)
28. Come on people, how is that .. sigh... Sanders message resonates with affluent white liberals
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 12:19 AM
Feb 2016

... among the poor, blacks, Hispanics, gays, women and cute puppies*** we all support Hillary.

*** cute puppies don't get to vote in primaries

Tien1985

(920 posts)
31. Funny how this
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 12:24 AM
Feb 2016

poor, hispanic, trans, gay person supports Sanders. Along with plenty of other people I know just like me. But by all means, keep saying "we all support Hillary." That doesn't sound like erasure or anything.

uponit7771

(90,329 posts)
35. "how this" != the majority, I'm not being anectdotal ... it's polling data which we see
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 12:26 AM
Feb 2016

... doesn't mean shit this year so we'll all have to wait.

I think a long dem fight is good for the DNC... either introduce Hillary more or Sanders more...

We still win with either one IMHO

 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
32. I have to question the accuracy of this chart.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 12:25 AM
Feb 2016

I don't see the state of Washington anywhere. So it's meaningless at this point. And we sure as hell aren't below Louisiana.

uponit7771

(90,329 posts)
21. After 7 months Sanders is still polling in the high teens with blacks in SC and overall with
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 12:15 AM
Feb 2016

... its mid 30s with PoC... he's not doing too well outside of VT, NH and IA like states

uponit7771

(90,329 posts)
29. no... the poor also favor HRC... Sanders wheel house has been white affluent liberals if he
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 12:21 AM
Feb 2016

... breaks out of that group and can get into the 40s with blacks and Hispanics in SC for instance...

We'd be in for a long run this election cycle

uponit7771

(90,329 posts)
20. +1, It's like Sanders and MSM don't think the PoC votes will make the difference...
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 12:13 AM
Feb 2016

... they've been missing in the last 6 years

 

Flying Phoenix

(114 posts)
5. I think more of a steroid laden Clinton taking a pummeling, but it's only Round 1
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 11:27 PM
Feb 2016

Went from 80% to close to a dead heat, and it's not over. Round 2 heavily favors Bernie.

(when I say steroid laden, I mean she's already gotten over 50% of the available superdelegates)

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
7. No.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 11:28 PM
Feb 2016

Because math. Iowa should be Sanders strength, since his base is white liberals. He needed to kill here and then get some momentum with black Democrats. I don't see that happening.

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
22. Clinton had a much stronger ground game and is failing to win.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 12:16 AM
Feb 2016

She is getting her clock cleaned in New Hampshire.

Really nowhere to go for her... but down.

uponit7771

(90,329 posts)
30. We'll see... right now Sanders is polling in the teens with blacks in SC... after 7 months... we'll
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 12:23 AM
Feb 2016

... see

uponit7771

(90,329 posts)
36. Inside that poll, we're talking about blacks not all of SC...
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 12:36 AM
Feb 2016
A December poll by YouGov of South Carolina Democrats found that Sanders and Clinton were effectively tied among whites, but Clinton was winning about 80 percent of the black vote, compared to about 20 percent for Sanders.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
37. Mmmmm, white liberal New Hampshire
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 12:38 AM
Feb 2016

next door to Sanders home state. And then SC. BOOM! You got Vermont to look forward to in March

uponit7771

(90,329 posts)
24. Sanders did well to match Hillary but mostly affluent whites are already suppporting him while
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 12:16 AM
Feb 2016

... the poor, blacks, Hispanics, gays and cut puppies are supporting Hillary.

Sanders hasn't turned the aforementioned groups so far

mpcamb

(2,870 posts)
8. Why be like the Republicans?
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 11:29 PM
Feb 2016

"...Once again, our favored candidate is trying to position herself not too far left and not too far right. It usually works, but it gets trickier each election for our candidate TO BE LIKE THE REPUBLICANS, but not too much like them."
(EMPHASIS MINE )

WHY BE LIKE THEM AT ALL? THERE'S NO HONOR IN THAT.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
15. No kidding.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 12:01 AM
Feb 2016

WTH?

We are DEMOCRATS, the OPPOSITION party, not trying to be like rethugs!! (Unless you're on the Hill side & just being honest?)

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
11. How will this effect Hillary? It's gonna make her MAD!
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 11:34 PM
Feb 2016

And she doesn't campaign very nicely when she's mad. Personally I don't think she does mad very well, but you never know.

You can bet she'll look for every opportunity to take him down.

Bernie better not do any screaming into mics or that scream will be deemed seated in dementia.

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