2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary Is A Poor Sport... NO Character Candidate With 90% in TIED 50-50 Declares "victory?
Hillary's action, declaring "victory" when the vote count remains INCOMPLETE with 10% left to be counted demonstrates once again why Hillary should not be the party nominee.
THE AUDACITY OF THE CLINTON INC. PARADE KNOWS NO BOUNDS!
Since when is a tie... =VICTORY?
The Commentators on ALL Networks are INCREDULOUS at her AUDACITY!
In the Tank "Establishment Shill Super Delegates? Fuck NO!
Again she exhibits POOR Judgement!
No grace from Hillary... With EVERY Advantage, the Corporatist Media behind her, The Candidate of Inevitability! Wall Street CA$$$$$$HHHH! SUPER PACS galore!!!!
The setting aside of EVERY mistep, prevarication, wrong vote, poor decision and flip flop that she has ever made... And She CANNOT wait for the votes to be counted?
Bernie is the Victor here in every sense of the word at this point...irrespective of what the final number is. 1PERCENT or less... IF Hillary wins the caucus... IF????
In any sense of the word... Hillary LOST tonight...
reformist2
(9,841 posts)spyker29
(89 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Chuck had to preserve his credibility on this... Chuck, "I cannot understand why Hillary would do this!"
I mean... can you imagine... The candidate of inevitability on the cusp of losing Iowa after she put TONS of resources into the state... Brian Williams, "We don't know what is going on unless you ask the self declared winner..." Pathetic...
The Queen of Poor Sportsmanship! Hillary unable to control her own emotions...
How would Hillary react in a REAL CRISIS?
BIG bump for Bernie no matter the final number... CONTRIBUTE!
Again, I cannot reiterate enough the problem with Hillary forever in every context and situation is her...
POOR JUDGEMENT!
For Bernie, This is just the beginning... Cannot wait for the next debate... BOOM!!!!
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)goes against her then what? How will she spin that?
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)She get's no momentum for winning delegates via a coin toss. They are trying to stop any Iowa momentum for Bernie going into New Hampshire, but not fully counting yet, and releasing the popular vote. That person will get the momentum, over a 'coin toss'.
Sanders has asked for the data they are ignoring. In Des Moines, there are precincts not totaled. It will not change the delegate count, but will show who got the popular vote. That is what they are hiding...to not give momentum to Bernie, and let Hillary skate out of town. It's important we have this info before New Hampshire, and voters and caucus goers and candidates have a fucking right to know!
book_worm
(15,951 posts)McCarthy declared victory losing the state to LBJ 49-42 when McCarthy was on the ballot and LBJ was a write in candidate. In '92 Bill Clinton lost NH to Tsongas and proclaimed himself "The Comeback Kid." It's just politics.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Not a CHANCE!!! CORPORATIST WALLSTREET BOUGHT AND PAID FOR... Her supporters are ... pathetically..UNINFORMED... Bad for America!
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Which is it? She says whatever she thinks people want to hear at any given point in time...
So which Hillary is it this week? And Next Week? and The week after? WHAT does Hillary stand for solidly and without remission?
Bernie is consistent... Bernie is for Universal health care and has not and will NOT change his position or his rhetoric to please anyone... He just tells the TRUTH!
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)As a card carrying Wall Street Representative, she is no more "progressive" than George Bush. She keeps saying things that are counter to her positions...
Why does she continue to do THIS? Her "explanation" on emails... Trust is a BIG problem for her...
Metric System
(6,048 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)So you're now attacking Sanders based on your travels in a time machine?
Metric System
(6,048 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)Planning might include writing a speech for if you win. That's quite a bit different than actually declaring your victory.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Declared a TIE in the face of unimaginable odds...
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)And that was about an hour before they reported the coin toss business.
I haven't seen the final numbers yet, but I went to bed w/99% results in and 3 precincts separating them.
I'm Feelin' the Bern this morning!
Baitball Blogger
(46,697 posts)Assumed victory. But that election was heavily contested.
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)It's Bush league
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)Last edited Tue Feb 2, 2016, 06:17 PM - Edit history (1)
And I'd question if Clinton can live the lesson taught to kids participating in sports: "Modest in victory, Gracious in defeat" 2008 didn't provide evidence that Hillary can abide that.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Hillary just barged out onto the stage without telling anybody to the surprise of all. Hillary OUT of CONTROL... i.e.
"The Meltdown!"
Bernie plays the magnanimous candidate ... Thanking Martin O'Malley as well as Senator Clinton...
So much more mature emotionally is Bernie Sanders!
Did anyone hear Hillary ... Thank ANYONE for ANYTHING except Iowa? NOPE! Who has character and Integrity? If you are honest... You know... You know.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)and nothing but.
Says it all why people hate her.
It's going to hurt her and alienate voters.
I thought we were the party of "Count all the votes", yet she declared herself the winner before all the votes were in.
What say you, Hillary?
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)toshiba783
(74 posts)Both campaigns are being boasting to reporters - what's new?
monmouth4
(9,691 posts)hurt her..
ChimpersMcSmirkers
(3,328 posts)FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)So Marco Rubio can be the next President.
That's why they don't care to report that Sanders' camp also declared victory.....
That's the Corporate media for ya!
Good luck with them when it's ya'll's turn!
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)EVERY Advantage... EVERY PUMP! FOR HILLARY! EVERY DISS MSM can muster of Bernie!
senz
(11,945 posts)He was right.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)and want, and winning an election honestly because people would see that her policies would make their lives better never seems to cross her goddamned mind.
Instead, with her, everything is scam to be run on the little people.
With all of her Wall Street money, and all the smears against Bernie, a complicit DNC leadership, and a complicit media calling Bernie socialist, unrealistic, unelectable, and worse, the best she could do was a tie.
Without the cheating, lying, and smearing by her supporters and the media she would have been sent packing.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)Who in the hell made this decision that it would be better to come out in front like this?
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)to a crawl. This is not how you win with grace. The other side has come just as far.....and would love to get on a stage too, but the votes are still being counted.
ecstatic
(32,677 posts)ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)declaring 'victory'. Did you miss that?
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)It's messed up that she can't claim victory when she won.