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mercymechap

(579 posts)
1. Surely he was joking, no?
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 08:00 PM
Sep 2012

Either that or he has been kidnapped and replaced with a robot! I hate it when lefties make that observation, Romney and Obama are not even close to being the same. I've heard independents make that comparison, and it makes me wonder if they even know what Obama stands for. Geez, what he may not realize is that people who are uninformed and even though they may be Democrat, will hear this and think, "yeah, that's a good idea"!

Proud liberal 80

(4,167 posts)
3. he was dead serious
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 08:02 PM
Sep 2012

And he was really fired up about it. I can understand independents and uniformed people thinking that, But for someone to be a host of a liberal radio program pissed me off!

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
2. It's more like the Clinton/Bush Sr. election with Perot
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 08:02 PM
Sep 2012

Plus, Gore won the election and the Supreme Court selected Bush. Not anything the same.

Siwsan

(26,177 posts)
4. My niece is supporting Stein. I'm trying to come up with advice, and not a lecture
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 08:03 PM
Sep 2012

I am going to tell her all about the 2000 election and see if she understand why I cringe when she mentions voting for Jill Stein. I'm sure Ms Stein is a wonderful candidate, but it is a throw away vote. I keep telling Green party members that the only way to get anywhere, as a 3rd party, is to build from the grassroots up. I wish them luck.

 

Heather MC

(8,084 posts)
8. Yeah they need to start local and at tge state level
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 08:21 PM
Sep 2012

I will vote green party for my county election this year. but nationally voting for the Green Party in a way helps Romney

Proud liberal 80

(4,167 posts)
6. Funny thing is
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 08:10 PM
Sep 2012

I think Jill Stein would probably be a better president than President Obama, and her views are more aligned with mine, But she has no chance of winning and President Obama is a way better choice than Romney or any other Republican.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
7. her views are more aligned with mine as well. however, having the right views
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 08:19 PM
Sep 2012

does not make one a better president.

What makes you think she'd be able to move the rightwing better than President Obama? What makes you think they wouldn't run rings around her? What makes you think she'd be better at foreign policy? Not just having ideas about it, but implementing them?

corkhead

(6,119 posts)
10. Tell anyone who supports Jill Stein to listen to this interview by Sam Seder back in August.
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 08:32 PM
Sep 2012

I like some of her positions, but her and her party need to start from the bottom up instead of trying to muck up the Presidential election. When they start winning some state races and some congressional seats, give me a call. Otherwise, sit the fuck down.

http://majority.fm/2012/08/27/green-party-presidential-candidate-jill-stein-the-green-new-deal/

patrice

(47,992 posts)
11. Precisely. Anything that isn't built out of the people themselves will likely not succeed
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 08:57 PM
Sep 2012

even if it does achieve office.

The real revolution must come from the bottom up.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
13. People say that because of the money in politics & corporate personhood. But the two campaigns
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 09:07 PM
Sep 2012

ARE different financially. Obama has a much much higher proportion of small donors. SuperPAC money is there for him too but I'd be willing to bet that the proportion of SuperPAC money to campaign donations is less than it is on the Republican side.

Foreign money in the Romney SuperPACs is likely because of all of his foreign banking ties. We really must consider that if he were President he would have serious conflict of interests in addressing the financial issues, current and future ones, i.e. the 2nd wave that is still headed our way as a result of the Derivative Crash of '08.

And, obviously, there's no comparison policy-wise between the 2 candidates.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
14. I had 127 on tonight too
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 09:32 PM
Sep 2012

Didn't her him say that, but did hear Dr. Stein with her usual mumbo jumbo. Clueless. Fucking clueless. What is it with Sirius Left....either you get PUMAs or far far far left people who think Obama is really Bush.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
15. When I lived in a different city from where I am now, I had some
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 10:52 PM
Sep 2012

friends who were enthusiastic members of the Green Party. While I very much respect their beliefs and principles, they were cluelessly naive when it came to the reality of electoral politics at any level.

The problem is that the vast majority of people out there simply have no clue exactly how running for office and getting elected really works. They'll talk about "dream teams" and "ideal candidates". I've seen it here on DU. Back in 2004 there was a lot of gushing over the possibility of John McCain as the VP pick, because those who swooned over that, had no clue number 1, exactly how conservative John McCain really was, and number 2, how ingrained the political parties are in those who run for office.

I'm willing to go out on a limb and say that we will never see a ticket that has the top from one party, and the vp choice from the other. Never.

It's nice to think about how wonderful the various third party candidates might be, but anyone supporting them should look at some hard truths. First of all, if one of them were to win the election, how would he or she actually govern? He'd (she'd) have no members of Congress in his party to support him. Where would he go to select the cabinet? Ambassadors? Judges? The heads of various agencies? There's an awful lot more to running the country than simply winning an election.

The real thing people who support the third party candidates should do is to get seriously involved themselves. Run for office. Work in the campaigns of candidates they can honestly support. Do what they can to see that candidates who represent their point of view are running for office. Don't just go off on the daydream of some other political party. Deal with the reality of what's actually out there.

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