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Wed Feb 3, 2016, 04:59 PM

 

Video: Clinton Voter Fraud In Action? What a 'fuster cluck'!

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This is, apparently, what a caucus looks like in a Presidential race in America in 2016.
The footage is taken from precinct #43 in Des Moines, Iowa, where supporters of Clinton and Sanders gathered to determine the delegate count for the candidates.
The description of the video, posted on the C-SPAN website, claims “Caucus chair and Clinton precinct captain do not conduct actual count of Clinton supporters and deliberately mislead caucus”. Reports suggest that Sanders was winning during an initial vote, but when a recount was called, Clinton gained the lead.

One person who was at the event at Roosevelt High School took to Reddit to explain:
So basically in the caucus they have to hand count everyone depending on what side they’re sitting on. Well when it came time to do the second count the numbers were off. The first vote breakdown was like this:

FIRST VOTE: 215 Sanders 210 Clinton 26 O’Malley 8 Undecided 459 TOTAL
And this is the SECOND Vote: 232 Clinton 224 Sanders 456 Total
So somehow they lost 3 people but Clinton’s vote went up by 14.

So basically what had happened was Hillary’s team didn’t take the time to do a full recount instead she just added the new people who joined the second vote. Which clearly wasn’t an accurate count.

The footage appears to verify this with the Clinton camp admitting they did not do a second full count and that “they just added the (new) people”.

“Does that add up right?” one of the organizer is heard asking the caucus chair, who replies “I don’t think so.”
Nevertheless, a challenge by Sanders supporters for a third count was rejected and Clinton was handed a victory. This monumental cluster f*ck was just one 1,600 caucus sites around the state of Iowa. Who knows what went on elsewhere.

In another video, Clinton and Sanders supporters are seen remonstrating with caucus organizers in Ames who were attempting to move the caucus outside, refusing to start counting votes because their building was too full.

The incident led to much finger pointing and apparently many people abandoning the caucus and going home.

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Reply Video: Clinton Voter Fraud In Action? What a 'fuster cluck'! (Original post)
ViseGrip Feb 2016 OP
Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #1
ViseGrip Feb 2016 #4
CentralMass Feb 2016 #6
rhett o rick Feb 2016 #7
PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #11
rhett o rick Feb 2016 #15
Perogie Feb 2016 #19
NowSam Feb 2016 #2
ViseGrip Feb 2016 #3
NowSam Feb 2016 #12
rhett o rick Feb 2016 #5
Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #8
TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #9
7wo7rees Feb 2016 #10
PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #13
TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #14
PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #16
TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #18
Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #20
TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #21
Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #23
TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #24
rhett o rick Feb 2016 #17
PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #22
eomer Feb 2016 #28
AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #25
Dems to Win Feb 2016 #26
Faux pas Feb 2016 #27

Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 05:00 PM

1. This video has already been debunked. There was no fraud. nt

 

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 05:04 PM

4. Well the count was still off, though not changing results. They did vote down a recount...

 

But they should have not asked for that, when they found there was a mistake. Don't care if it was just 14.

224-232.....14 matters even when delegates don't change.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 05:06 PM

6. Some sunlight can't hurt.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 05:07 PM

7. Link plez. nm

 

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #11)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 05:20 PM

15. The article didn't explain that when a second count was called for, the Sanders group actually

 

recounted those present and wouldn't get credit for those that voted in the first count but left. The Clinton side did not recount those present, they simply added the new numbers to the old numbers therefore continuing to get credit for anyone that might have left. No excuse not to recount those present.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 05:27 PM

19. would you mind supplying a link?

I googled it and I I got was stories of the fraud, would like to see the store it was debunked

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 05:01 PM

2. The Iowa Circus. I mean Caucus.

What a travesty.

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Response to NowSam (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 05:02 PM

3. Indeed....a real tribute to Barnum & Bailey!

 

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Response to ViseGrip (Reply #3)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 05:15 PM

12. Yep. Under the big tent, Ladies and Gents

Step right up and see a sight of counting votes but not all right.
3 people leave and then return
and the Hill Count grows by 14 we learn.
We call our counters Mathemagicians
We already decided so quit yer 'bitchin.

On to the next tent the most amazing sight
.02 and coin tossing that wins the night!

But why wait until the amazing computer
tallies the votes as digital sharp shooter
Time to declare victory without any shame
Our performers contempt for the audience is lame.

Peanuts! Get yer peanuts.
Popcorn! Get yer popcorn.

Uh oh! Here come the elephants, Trump and Cruz!

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 05:05 PM

5. An obvious problem is that when the HRC side failed to recount they don't lose votes

 

for those that left as the Sanders side did. If the rule is that one must be present to have their vote counted, then there is no excuse to not recount all the votes again. Clinton's side only added the new votes to their existing total not knowing if anyone left.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 05:08 PM

8. VIdeo aside - It's time to get rid of this insane Caucus crap and

Iowa as the first 'primary' It's bullshit.

How about a state that is actually representative of the makeup of the Country?

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 05:10 PM

9. In how many precincts did crap like this happen, you have to wonder.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 05:12 PM

10. And the rest of the country pays attention to Iowa, Why?

Shockingly primitive, not to mention all the folks that would have liked to have been there but HAD to be at work! WTF!

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #13)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 05:18 PM

14. Media Matters = David Brock.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #14)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 05:20 PM

16. lol

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #16)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 05:24 PM

18. Lol. Do you have a more impartial source, though?

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #14)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 05:30 PM

20. Another website

 

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/what-actually-happened-in-iowa-caucus-alleged-voter-fraud-video/

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Just admit the fraud allegation is bunk. I always figured you to be a fact-based poster.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #20)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 05:33 PM

21. I'm alleging more of incompetence and confusion.

But again, if that's the way more than one precinct was run, there's a real potential problem in terms of count accuracy. I don't know what "lawnewz" is, not going there, sounds like a blog.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #21)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 05:37 PM

23. LawNewz is a brand new website which is a spin off from Mediaite

 

Created by Dan Abrams formerly of MSNBC.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #23)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 05:41 PM

24. Yeah, not all that enamored of that guy either.

I'll skip his blog.

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #13)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 05:22 PM

17. They said a lot of words but didnt debunk anything. nm

 

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #17)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 05:35 PM

22. It links to the full video available online,

the vast majority of Sanders supporters joined Clinton supporters in declining to recount.

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #22)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 08:00 PM

28. The caucus chair rammed through that vote without letting anyone know what the issue was.

Watch the full C-Span video and you will see.

He was, by the way, caucusing for HRC.

And I doubt they are allowed to decide to not follow the rules of the caucus like that by just holding a majority vote. The rules require them to count the people in each camp each round - that's the essence of the process. The Clinton people pulled a fast one, clearly.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 05:45 PM

25. Hillary person said she did not do a count but just added in the new people.

 

When asked again, she said she did count.

Liar, liar, pants on fire.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 06:02 PM

26. Hillary and Bernie tied, within the margin of error

 

That's all that can be concluded, honestly. There were errors.

Not that I have a problem with Hillary supporters saying she won, because she was declared the winner by the Iowa Dem Party.

But it wasn't accurate to the standard we would demand of an election resulting in someone taking office. With that tiny margin, there would be an automatic recount.

It's really a shame that sooooo much time and energy was put in to campaign for the Iowa caucuses, then the actual caucuses were poorly run, at least in some spots.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 06:29 PM

27. beating 'em by cheating 'em

Cl-ass-y

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