Tonight's Forum: Bernie Cogent, Specific, Genial.. Hillary General Mostly Blathering Off The Cuff

[CorporatistNation]

Bullsh*t!

Hillary looked generally unprepared... Lots of thinking/conniving while talking... making shit up... (You can tell the wheels are turning when she is looking down while talking.) Hillary, "90% of my contributors are small donors..." Opps Hillary... Another FIB! See Below...

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-donors-218569

Clinton, the former secretary of state and senator, relied on small donors for only 19 percent of her primary haul, though her campaign has emphasized its small donor outreach efforts. SNIP

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-donors-218569#ixzz3zAfPUu7x

I wonder where the convenient Rabbi came from...? Hmmm? I smell a "set up" here.

Anyone think that maybe Hillary was watching Bernie do his 45 minutes before she took her turn?

On the other hand, Bernie was spectacular in how well he interacted with the audience. Bernie answered questions with specific answers. A very "clean" and mature performance by Bernie tonight. I cannot wait for the DEBATE tomorrow! Hillary will not be able to get away with uncontested BS tomorrow. No more O'Malley to step between them or save her... Especially from herself.

[CorporatistNation]

1. My Wife Commented That She Was Just "Stringing Words Together... "

More like the teacher in class who was so boring that you were daydreaming and falling asleep. Mostly NON answers to questions asked...

[Armstead]

7. That's the sense I always get

Like a smorgasbord of pre approved ideas and emotions.

Perhaps she sincerely believes what she's saying at the moment, but I don't sense any connective tissue

[Voice for Peace]

35. Trying to sound like the smartest person in the room

Tonight was just so sad: much self pity, me-me-me.
Her anger strikes me as deep, bitter, and the most authentic part of her.

I don't know what demons she's fighting,or the source of her anger. I'd bet it's been there a long time, and that she's rather chronically angry
And medical marijuana?
Earth to hilary

[amborin]

2. didn't see it but my husband said Bernie was terrific nt

[CoffeeCat]

3. People trust Bernie and they know he's honest

That's why he does so much better in these Town Halls.

People know that he's a man of great integrity

Hillary panders and says whatever she feels will win votes. Claiming that she's tough on Wall Street and that she's a Progressive doesn't exactly inspire confidence in her ability to tell the truth.

[CorporatistNation]

4. Integrity and Judgement As Well As Strength of Purpose... Those are Bernie's Great Strength!

Looking for a very good night tomorrow. Hillary is ... running on empty in every way possible.

[840high]

5. My confidence in her telling

the truth died a few years ago.

[ProgressiveCentrist]

9. How long will that last

when stories like this keep coming up

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/bernie-sanders-union-embezzle-campaign-consultant-218567

[winter is coming]

14. So people with criminal records should never be hired again? n/t

[ProgressiveCentrist]

16. This story reeks of Animal Farm

The guy shouldn't be within 10 miles of a national campaign. He's not allowed within 10 miles of a union hall until 2025.

A democratic socialist needs to take particular care to avoid stepping into giant stereotypes like this.

Living the life on the back of stolen working class wages.

The worst part is Weaver's contempt for the supporters of his campaign. He basically said they feel the bern too strong to care about this. That they will continue to send them money no questions asked about this.

[winter is coming]

23. What a steaming pantload. n/t

[artislife]

31. False outrage!

You quibble about a staff member.

We are upset by a candidate and her actions.

War vote

Cluster bombs

Honduras

Send back border children


Libya

And that is just the human rights side of her actions.

[ProgressiveCentrist]

34. Please see

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511136398

Re Libya

[artislife]

36. Oh god...I just read your user name

You are still exhibiting false outrage, about a staffer.

We have serious problems with the candidate you are supporting.

[ProgressiveCentrist]

37. No outrage at all

I've come to expect little from Weaver, Devine, and sanders.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/29/opinion/elizabeth-warren-one-way-to-rebuild-our-institutions.html?smprod=nytcore-ipad&smid=nytcore-ipad-share

Remember yesterday when Personnel was policy?

[PatrickforO]

53. So, what's your motive here?

Do you really like Clinton that much? Do you really think she's the person who can get the nation back on track?

Because I'm just not seeing it. Bernie Sanders is advocating things my family has talked about around the kitchen table for years. Of all the candidates, it is Sanders who most closely represents me and my family. In fact, I think Sanders actually cares about me and my family.

I don't think that of Clinton at all.

And how can you possibly be a progressive centrist? The Democratic party began losing when it abandoned the New Deal in favor of the Third Way. And now you, an avowed progressive centrist, are telling me how bad Sanders is?

I think not.

[CorporatistNation]

48. The List Goes On...

No Fly Zone Syria...

Private Email Server... (A Secretary of State NEVER would expect to send or receive CLASSIFIED emails)

Cattle Futures Shenanigans $1,000 investment yields $98,000 PROFIT!

"Landing in Bosnia under sniper fire...."

Chelsea jogging around The World Trade Center on 9/11/01!

"My Mother named Hillary after Sir Edmund Hillary who conquered Mt Everest" btw... 6 years AFTER I was born!

I had a "Meltdown" waiting for caucus results the other night... per Mrs Alan Greenspan aka Andrea Mitchell!

Hillary wants to be President....

Really?

[CorporatistNation]

39. KEEP Coming UP? WTF Are You Talking About? ONE Guy WHo MAde A BIG Error In Judgement...

previously... paid his debt as it were.... It is one thing to be accused of something and another to be convicted... He was convicted of using union money to go to a Stanley Cup Final not everything else he was accused of initially. The guy has plenty of political experience and should not be blackballed as you suggest for making one mistake... which is what he was convicted of... Read the story...

A federal grand jury indicted Rocha in 2012 on 18 counts arising from his alleged misuse of union funds. The indictment claimed Rocha misused a union credit card and voucher system, spending union money on golfing trips to Florida and Myrtle Beach, S.C., and personal trips to London and Orlando, among other expenditures.

Rocha eventually pleaded guilty to one count, admitting he used union money for a trip to the Stanley Cup Finals in Detroit in 2009.

He was sentenced to probation and a $2,000 fine.

You might want to direct your energies toward investigating Hillary. Your energy expended looking at her past etc. likely would be rewarded with far more significant findings.

[PonyUp]

42. Weak sauce. n/t

[malokvale77]

60. Maybe you should look at the steaming piles in Hillary's camp. nt

[Fuddnik]

11. Yeah she's so tuff , she postponed fundraisers at BlackRock and Bain Capital 'til after the primary.

That'll show 'em.

And I bet she tells them to "cut that out"!!!!

[LibDemAlways]

28. Why did it never dawn on her that taking

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big bucks from corrupt banksters in exchange for making a speech might come back to haunt her during a Presidential run? Is she so naive that she assumed either no one would notice or no one would call her out on it? Incredibly politically tone deaf in an era in which people have suffered tremendous losses at the hands of those crooks.

[cascadiance]

57. She tried to make herself sound better because she was wanting to go after not just the banks...

... that she implied that Bernie wouldn't, which is BS!!!

She mentioned a bunch of other entities like AIG, etc. and Countrywide...

Hmm... Countrywide. A firm that a family member of mine used to work at. USED to work at, before it got bought by a bank (Bank of America) some years back. So how would she be going after Countrywide without going after a bank now? That's just another symptom of the environment of oligarchic consolidation that we have now that is more of a problem when we let corporate money regulate our government instead of the other way around.

[leftofcool]

6. The Rabbi was a plant! Another conspiracy theory, I see.

[CorporatistNation]

8. I Especially Appreciated Anderson Cooper Pressing Her on The Wall Street CA$H!

Entirely Apprpo! She on that one BIGTIME! Cannot wait until tomorrow night...

[CorporatistNation]

38. Hillary Postponed fundraiser With BAIN Capitol, Ya Know Romney's Old Outfit..

Until after the New Hampshire Primary... I think that she is physically getting spent... and emotionally as well referring to her "Meltdown" waiting for the results the other night resulting in her premature "victory" speech. I want to see some diagnosis on her med record... Gotta have Diabetes, probably A Fib on anti-coagulation... that's why she had the brain bleed previously...

[Hekate]

51. You just can't trust those rabbis

[Beacool]

10. Hillary was articulate and made sense.

Her proposals are reality based and not dependent on a "political revolution".

[rhett o rick]

12. You've got to be kidding. Her proposals were pure rhetoric. We need a revolution to

change the culture of Big Money corruption in our government. Why would Democrats side with Big Money?

[Beacool]

19. A revolution that will never come to pass.

[mwooldri]

25. Not for want of trying. nt

[rhett o rick]

43. From the campaign of "No We Can't". The message from the PTB

is that we should be grateful for what they allow us to have. Corp profits are more important than solving a problem with 16 million children living in poverty. So what's the message from the the PTB (the Oligarchy) to those children? I bet Rahm would tell them to sit down and shut up.

I am glad you posted your comment, "A revolution that will never come to pass". It epitomizes the difference between the two campaigns. The progressives recognize that it will be difficult to fight the power of Big Money but we think our freedoms, liberties, and helping those 16 million children is worth the fight. We want to help our vets from wars that the Oligarchy uses to increase their profits. We want to help the millions incarcerated by the Oligarchy for profits.

I could go on and on, but would like to hear what the Conservative Wing thinks we should be fighting for. It appears they are fighting for a continuation of the last 30 years that has seen the middle and working classes lose ground while the Rich and Wealthy have doubled and tripled their ill gotten wealth. "Hail the new American Aristocracy."

By the way the revolution is well underway. Those that don't see it have their eyes closed.

[TransitJohn]

64. Do you know what not wanting change is?

It's conservatism.

[basselope]

18. She doesn't seem to have any proposals other than "Stay the course".

[Hekate]

52. That's a meme, but not true. We need to build on what Obama was able to accomplish ...

Obama was able to get significant parts of his agenda done, in the face of unwavering opposition from a GOP Congress. No human could have undone all the damage BushCheney did to the country in just 8 years, and yet Obama moved us forward and laid the groundwork for the next Democrat in the White House.

Building on Obama's accomplishments to MOVE US FORWARD is hardly "staying the course."

Another Republican will undo everything, but the Democrats will move us forward -- again, as best they can despite the GOP Congress.

Hillary -- well, I'm not going to continually repeat her accomplishments nor her detailed plans. Both have been posted here. Both are available online.

[basselope]

63. Obama gave away far too much of his agenda and "plans" don't equal action from her...

Obama backed off the Public Option, despite the fact he could have gotten it through on reconciliation. Who was leading that fight to keep it in? Bernie Sanders.

A continuation of Obama's policies is not necessarily moving us forward in a positive direction, but that is really all she is proposing... stay the course, keep moving forward.. towards what? MORE corruption in politics? More to big to fail banks? More tax cuts for the wealthy (remember, it was Obama who allowed the expiring bush tax cuts to become permanent).

As for her "accomplishments"?? If you go to her own website, her list of accomplishments are a joke

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/feed/seven-hillary-clintons-biggest-accomplishments/

One of her accomplishments is "4. Told the world that “women’s rights are human rights.” Is that some type of joke? This is an ACCOMPLISHMENT?

Another one... "3. Helped get 9/11 first responders the health care they needed." Jon Stewart did MUCH MORE for that effort than Clinton. I didn't see her joining him when the bill almost expired.

"5. Stood up for LGBT rights at home and abroad." Really? http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/17/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-change-position-same-sex-marriage/

These are her accomplishments from her OWN website.

If these are her "accomplishments".. I'm not that interested in her "plans".

[Hekate]

65. Once more: While Obama was taking his oath of office, a key group of GOP Congressmen....

...were taking an opposing oath: to oppose each and every proposal that Obama made and to do absolutely everything in their power the make him a one term president. Obama did not know that, and we certainly did not know that. The GOP hated him so much they were willing to abandon governance altogether.

So you want to blame Barack OBAMA for lack of progress? Wow.

[basselope]

66. Once more: He gave away the public option.

Yes, I 100% BLAME Obama for giving away the public option, which in turn gave away the midterm elections.


http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/83641-sanders-senate-has-the-votes-to-pass-public-option-via-reconciliation

Please learn the facts.

[Betty Karlson]

21. The status quo is untenable.

Any proposal based on the status quo is therefore, by definition, NOT reality-based.

[Warren DeMontague]

30. That pivot away from marijuana legalization into "the drug addiction crisis" was Michael Jordanesque

actually, no, it was pretty clumsy.

She also continues to avoid the elephant in the room, namely, 4 states and counting legal for recreational use and more on the way, including probably California.

[rhett o rick]

44. She has avoided all progressive moves. She held out as long as she could against same

sex marriage.

[pangaia]

58. No.

next.

[frylock]

13. The wheels are getting a little wobbly on the Hillary Express.

[Art_from_Ark]

15. Perhaps a bit wobblier than they'd like

[rhett o rick]

45. Two things

One, I have that plate-block of stamps that you show in your sig. line. I only have a couple but I am old enough to have gotten that one when it came out.

Two, I like your quote, but I think it was Jefferson. Here's one of my favorites, "All extremists should be castrated." (Unk)

[Art_from_Ark]

50. Those stamps were supposed to commemorate the first Earth Day

Although they were apparently issued 6 months later, in October 1970.

I will change my sig line to reflect this new information

[rhett o rick]

56. I like your edited sig line. Been better if you squeezed in, "by a semi-reputable source."

I think I gave my plate-block to a stamp collecting friend a few decades ago.

[CoffeeCat]

40. Considering that the gas in her campaign tank

is fueled with endless, dirty Wall Street money--I suspect that her fuel line is clogged.

[basselope]

17. It was a cringe worthy performance from her.

[zentrum]

20. O'Malley never saved her.

I thought on the contrary he helped Bernie because he'd often back up what Bernie said and attack her on her Wall Street ties. I miss Martin. He has a future.

Thanks for the report.

[Betty Karlson]

22. Please let him become DNC chair NOW.

We need the dignity and impartiality of the DNC to be restored yesterday, not tomorrow.

[zentrum]

26. Great Idea

Of course he's too progressive for them. Not enough of a power player. He's more like the Dems used to be not a post-Clinton/DLC Dem.

I so wish HRC had realized her time has passed. How ambitious can one person be?

[Betty Karlson]

27. She is stuck in the 20th century, when power players thought they had all the time in the world. eom

[Old Crow]

24. "90% of my contributors are small donors..."

Liar, liar, pantsuit on fire.

[CoffeeCat]

41. Where does Hillary's disingenuous "90 percent" line come from?

Special math?

Ridiculous.

[ViseGrip]

47. She must have goofed, as it's 19%

[99th_Monkey]

29. I was thrilled w/Bernie tonight. He looked & sounded downright Presidential.

[grasswire]

33. nice shirt and tie, too. nt

[Kalidurga]

32. Hillary General Mostly Blathering Off The Cuff

How is this different from any other night

[speaktruthtopower]

46. She looked...

distracted or peeved at moments. She's getting bad coaching on the strategy of out-progressiving Bernie. She should be forthright and stress electability.

Hillary is very smart and very experienced, but not instinctual as a politician. She's not good at hiding it if she is annoyed or feeling disdain for the process. In an odd way, that makes her authentic! Most of us would be that way! She will beat Bernie if she just stays on course and doesn't erode her credibility by trying to scoot to the left of him.

[Hekate]

49. "Off the cuff"? I thought you guys didn't like her to be "scripted." So which is it?

And now rabbis are suspect? Oy.

And you wanted Bernie to go second? Wouldn't you have felt he was being slighted by being "put in second place"?

It's hard to keep up with the daily changing demands. Or is that all a plot to drive HRC supporters ?

[CorporatistNation]

59. Nice Pile....

She sat back stage and listened or watched Bernie in order to set up her counter... Going 2nd in debates is ALWAYS an advantage tactically...

[Hekate]

61. Oh, so really no answer.