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Thu Feb 4, 2016, 11:40 AM

We Dissent/ Unfinished Business

“It is not enough to allow dissent. We must demand it. For there is much to dissent from.

“We dissent from the fact that millions are trapped in poverty while the nation grows rich.

“We dissent from the conditions and hatreds which deny a full life to our fellow citizens because of the color of their skin.

“We dissent from the monstrous absurdity of a world where nations stand poised to destroy one another, and man must kill their fellow man.

“We dissent from the sight of most of mankind living in poverty, stricken by disease, threatened by hunger and doomed to an early death after a life of unremitting labor.

“We dissent from cities which blunt our senses and turn the ordinary acts of daily life into a painful struggle.

“We dissent from the willful, heedless destruction of natural pleasure and beauty.

“We dissent from all these structures -- of technology and society itself -- which strip from the individual the dignity and warmth of sharing in the common tasks of his community and his nation.”
-- Senator Robert F. Kennedy


I can only speak for myself. I’ve met both Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton, and like them both. I believe that they are both good and sincere individuals, who honestly believe that they could accomplish the most good for the people of this nation. Still, I support the Sanders campaign. My support for Sanders does not include any dislike of, or disrespect for, Ms. Clinton.

Rather, it is because Bernie Sanders represents the values that have influenced my thinking and behavior throughout the decades of my being involved in social-political activism. When people in the media or the republican party call Sanders’s positions “unrealistic” or “pipe dreams,” I dissent.

Last year, the Pope visited the United States. He spoke about the need for social justice. The concepts he spoke of were much the same as those detailed by Senator Robert Kennedy fifty years ago. It would be easy to dismiss them as unrealistic and pipe dreams. But we also learned that the Pope played a central role in discussions between officials in the United States, and in two of our nation’s “enemies” -- Cuba and Iran. And, as we have seen, these dialogues resulted in very real advances …..advances in some of the very things that Senator Kennedy had spoken of.

These are the same values that America’s greatest prophet, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., fought for. King began his public career struggling for Civil Rights. By the mid-1960s, he expanded his ministry to emphasis economic justice. He understood that there could not be social justice domestically, if the US continued its military approach to foreign affairs. That’s just as true today, as it was in 1968.

The Sanders campaign offers those of us who share these values the best opportunity to advance them. For some of us, they are our ethics; for others, our religious beliefs; and for others, our spiritual reality. Some of us are old, others young; we are male and female; black, brown, red, yellow, and white; we are citizens who believe that Aristotle was correct when he said, “The true nature of anything is what it becomes at its highest.”

We want America to reach its true nature.

“Come, my friends. ‘Tis not too late to seek a newer world.”
-- Alfred, Lord Tennyson

Peace,
H2O Man

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Reply We Dissent/ Unfinished Business (Original post)
H2O Man Feb 2016 OP
SamKnause Feb 2016 #1
H2O Man Feb 2016 #9
SamKnause Feb 2016 #14
VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #2
H2O Man Feb 2016 #10
RoccoR5955 Feb 2016 #3
H2O Man Feb 2016 #12
JEB Feb 2016 #4
H2O Man Feb 2016 #13
islandmkl Feb 2016 #5
H2O Man Feb 2016 #15
Gregorian Feb 2016 #6
H2O Man Feb 2016 #16
LineReply .
mmonk Feb 2016 #7
H2O Man Feb 2016 #17
raouldukelives Feb 2016 #8
H2O Man Feb 2016 #18
NCTraveler Feb 2016 #11
H2O Man Feb 2016 #19
erlewyne Feb 2016 #27
H2O Man Feb 2016 #28
erlewyne Feb 2016 #30
H2O Man Feb 2016 #31
suffragette Feb 2016 #20
H2O Man Feb 2016 #22
SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #21
H2O Man Feb 2016 #23
angrychair Feb 2016 #24
H2O Man Feb 2016 #26
zeemike Feb 2016 #25
H2O Man Feb 2016 #29
zeemike Feb 2016 #33
H2O Man Feb 2016 #40
Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #32
H2O Man Feb 2016 #34
Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #35
H2O Man Feb 2016 #36
Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #37
ms liberty Feb 2016 #38
H2O Man Feb 2016 #39

Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 11:47 AM

1. Honest, honorable, and humble.

Integrity, sound judgment, and passion.


FEEL THE BERN

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Response to SamKnause (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 01:49 PM

9. I liked when

his wife used the word "integrity" to describe him last night.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #9)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 01:54 PM

14. So did I.

FEEL THE BERN

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 11:50 AM

2. My only regret is that I have but one rec to give.

eom

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Response to VulgarPoet (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 01:50 PM

10. Thanks!

Much appreciated.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 11:56 AM

3. Thanks for that H2O man! n/t

 

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Response to RoccoR5955 (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 01:53 PM

12. Thank you.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 12:16 PM

4. K&R nt

 

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Response to JEB (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 01:54 PM

13. Thanks!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 12:21 PM

5. k&r great post H2O

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Response to islandmkl (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 01:59 PM

15. Thank you!

I am hoping that more conversations here focus on positive issues. And I think that the Sanders campaign provides me with the most opportunities to do so .....both here, and in day-to-day life.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 12:24 PM

6. Thank you.

As I read your post, these words were going through my mind: "...in order to form a more perfect union...".

As opposed to the disturbing conservative turn that was essentially forced upon the country, I feel a great desire to form a nation which has compassion and generosity.

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Response to Gregorian (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:01 PM

16. Exactly!

We all have the opportunity to work for that more perfect union. We might not always have full agreement on this forum on specific issues, but we can all be keeping our eyes on the prize.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 01:24 PM

7. .

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Response to mmonk (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:02 PM

17. Thanks!

Hey, we should talk on the phone this weekend. If you have time Friday night or Saturday, let me know. (I'll be visiting my daughter at college on Sunday.)

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 01:42 PM

8. K&R Lovely post. nt

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Response to raouldukelives (Reply #8)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:03 PM

18. Thank you!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 01:52 PM

11. Hot damn. My second Rec today for thoughtful pro Sanders ops.

 

Enjoyed reading.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #11)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:10 PM

19. Very good, NCTraveler!

I appreciate it. There are some solid OP/threads on DU:GDP that advocate for both Clinton and Sanders. We should all be reading them with an open mind, and respect for other community members. I never hesitate to "k&r" a good OP, even if I disagree with parts of it.

Last night, while we were watching the "town hall" on CNN, my older son said, "You know, we have two really good candidates. The republicans have idiots. It would make more sense, for the good of the country, if the general election was a contest between the two good candidates, without any of the republicans being in it."

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #19)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:58 PM

27. Does Kasich have a chance?

Oh, I am Bernie all the way and will vote Democratic. But the
Republican idiots are terrible. The reason I mentioned Kasich
is because he is keeping quiet and he is a snake that doesn't
glide ... he flops. He's afraid of heat.

The idiots ahead of him ... they can't last.
Can they???

Hillary is in trouble and knows it ... she has to flipflop because
her sponsors are, well, idiots.


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Response to erlewyne (Reply #27)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 03:14 PM

28. Good question.

What I've been told is that Kasich plans to drop out, if he doesn't place in the top three in the NH primary. Off camera, he is beginning to pout .....believing that he offered the republican party its most realistic chance for victory. But he's been ignored, not only by the voters, but in his mind, the establishment and the media.

The establishment elders have urged him to step aside, so that their "lane" becomes less clogged. They are, sadly, divided between those who hope Jeb can be brought back to life, and those who think Rubio makes the stronger candidate. More, either of those two would definitely have Kasich on their short list for VP.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #28)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 03:54 PM

30. Thank you H2O Man

Excellent answer. I just thought he quit.
I live in Ohio and the local (small town)
newspapers do not mention him and OHIO
is very GOP.

I get national news here on DE.
I had expected him to be #1,2, or 3.

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Response to erlewyne (Reply #30)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 04:01 PM

31. Sure!

I don't have to tell you that the guy is a brat! He puts on this calm, rational act when he's in public -- like in the debates. But he really believes that it's a terrible, personal insult that he isn't the leading republican at this time. And I believe that those around him have their work cut out for them, in trying to keep his cranky side from coming out in public. Ha!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:27 PM

20. Glad to K&R

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Response to suffragette (Reply #20)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:35 PM

22. Thanks!

I appreciate it!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:31 PM

21. +1000000

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Response to SammyWinstonJack (Reply #21)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:36 PM

23. Thanks!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:39 PM

24. Excellent OP H2O Man

Well-spoken, intelligent discourse should always be respected and held in the highest esteem.
Thank you for the read and the profoundly well-rounded and thought out position you have taken in your endorsement of Sanders as your candidate.

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Response to angrychair (Reply #24)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:54 PM

26. Oh, thanks!

I believe that most -- if not all -- of those supporting Senator Sanders understand that this is far more than an "ordinary" presidential election. And that's not to imply that presidential elections are anything less than extremely important, for they are. Yet, 2016 poses very serious problems, and also a unique response to those problems. I appreciate that Bernie Sanders is willing to step up to the plate for America.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:51 PM

25. I applaud all of that.

But I differ on my view of Hillary Clinton...I don't trust her
And if I had to point to one thing that made me feel that way it is when she laughed and said "We came, we saw, he died"...to me that says she thinks killing is just a game to be played and I can never respect or trust people like that.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #25)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 03:25 PM

29. Thanks.

I understand hat many people, including Sanders supporters, dislike Hillary Clinton. And I appreciate why they don't trust her. More, I know why people find her campaign to be at times offensive.

For whatever reason, as I started writing this, I remembered an incident from many years ago. It was when I worked at the mental health clinic. (I organized my co-workers to engage in voter education and registration, for Bill Clinton's election and re-election. This, however, has nothing to do with the point I want to make.) Anyhow, there was a young therapist working there, who used to seek my assistance on many of her cases.

One afternoon, she came into my office, very upset. The supervisor had met with her, and said that she didn't fit in, and should seek another job. The young therapist became defensive; the supervisor told her that she didn't have any friends at the clinic. The therapist said that she and I were friends; the supervisor said, "Oh, Pat. He doesn't count. Pat likes everybody."

In Ms. Clinton's case, obviously, I am far, far from alone in liking her. But I recognize that she isn't popular among a segment of the Democratic Party, or among the Democratic Left.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #29)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 06:03 PM

33. Interesting story

But I don't like to speak of liking of disliking someone, particularly someone I don't even know.
And I separate like from trust because I can like someone but not trust them.

I have had good friends that were alcoholics and I liked them just fine, but from experience I knew they were not to be trusted. So it is quite possible that I might like Hillary if I knew her...I know I voted for her husband twice but my trust in him was not justified.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #33)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 09:50 PM

40. Right.

I don't like Debbie Wasserman Schultz. I think that she has far more in common with Marko Rubio, than she does with me. I do not think she attempts to be honest, and do good for other than her social class.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 05:03 PM

32. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, H2O Man.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #32)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 08:31 PM

34. Thanks!

Enjoy the debate tonight.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #34)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 08:35 PM

35. I don't get MSNBC, I will have to view it some other way.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #35)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 08:36 PM

36. Can you get it

on the internet? I think their web site should have it.

I think tonight's debate is going to be extremely important. And entertaining.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #36)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 08:42 PM

37. I imagine they may have a live stream link here somewhere and I agree with you,

tonight's debate will be extremely important.

I will definitely view it, just not on T.V.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 09:36 PM

38. So very well said, my friend!

You've expressed my own feelings in the best way. Thank you!

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Response to ms liberty (Reply #38)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 09:48 PM

39. Thank you!

I appreciate it!

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