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Related: About this forumClinton Last Night: "Name Anything [Wall Street Has] Influenced Me On" -- OK, I Will
Clinton Last Night: "Name Anything [Wall Street Has] Influenced Me On" -- OK, I WillBy HumanOfEarth * Thursday Feb 04, 2016 * Daily Kos
It is wrong and unfair to attack or critique candidates on anything but substance, policy, or record and Clintons statements last night definitely fall underneath this umbrella. The following is not an unbridled attack against Clinton, but a response to a statement she made last night that went unanswered, and should not have.
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While being questioned about her Wall Street ties, Clinton said to Anderson Cooper, the moderator
But you know anybody who knows me who thinks that they can influence me name anything theyve influenced me on. Just name one thing. Im out here every day saying Im going to shut them down, Im going after them.
Challenge accepted.
In 2007, while running for president, Clinton made campaign speeches attacking the tax break for hedge-fund and private-equity executives one of the infamous loopholes that allows rich people to pay way less in taxes than theyre supposed to but did not sign her name onto legislation that would have ended the tax break and closed the loophole.
Just as shes doing now, she was out [t]here every day saying Im going to shut them down, but did not actually use her elected-official power to keep her word, and follow through with the simple act of signing her name onto someone elses bill.
As Politico reports,
When [Clinton] had a chance to support a 2007 bill that aimed to curb a tax break she publicly decried for hedge-fund and private-equity executives, she failed to sign on.
Clinton said one thing in public, but did another behind closed doors. She attacked Wall Street to voters, but helped them as a senator.
Why?
Because Wall Street executives were the biggest donors to her 2006 Senate campaign and her 2008 presidential campaign.
Clinton got millions from the financial industry while also protecting them she is most assuredly influenced by her Wall Street donors.
Thats one thing right there, per Clintons request but heres even more.
In 2007 and 2008, Clinton did not work with the other senators in Congress to pass a housing bill to stop individual financial players from destroying the economy.
As ProPublica reports,
When a broad housing bill finally became law in 2008, Clinton was not among the more than dozen senators credited by party leaders as playing a key role.
She was not a leader in the Senate to stop Wall Streets reckless behavior. In fact, she was barely even a follower.
MORE:http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/2/4/1479904/-Clinton-Last-Night-Name-Anything-Wall-Street-Has-Influenced-Me-On-OK-I-Will
H2O Man
(73,510 posts)Thank you for this. Recommended.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)I hope this comes up tonight, and Bernie's prepared with some of this.
Wondering if I (or someone) should send the link to Rachael?
Lots of people should send it.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)that felt good.
H2O Man
(73,510 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)but I'll let everyone decide on their own.....
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)respectfully.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)cilla4progress
(24,718 posts)I remember this.
Bernie speaks the truth. As does Elizabeth. Hillary, not so much, I'm afraid. Maybe there ARE things she has done to protect main st. from wall st.
Anyone?
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)a pattern I believe.
lobodons
(1,290 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)for you Elizabeth Warren Praises Aspects Of Hillary Clinton's Wall Street Reform Plan...... You're Welcome
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)Jeff Bezos owner of the Washington Post.....
Jeff Bezos, Inscrutable Libertarian Democrat
After the Washington Post put out word that it had been bought by Amazon.com founder Jeff Bezos, a libertarian friend posted a wry observation on Facebook. (You can do thatyou don't just have to use the site for baby pics.) "A libertarian billionaire bought a newspaper today and everyone cheered," he said. "What a difference the name 'Koch' makes."
That's a little cute; Bezos' investments in political and ideological causes are eclipsed many times over by that of the Kochs, or the Scaifes, or the Soroses, etc. But he's earned a reputation as a libertarian with a targeted style of giving. He's donated to the Reason Foundation, which publishes the first magazine that hired me, Reason. He gave $100,000 to the campaign to beat an income tax in his own Washington stateand he won.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2013/08/05/jeff_bezos_inscrutable_libertarian_democrat.html
Inside Amazon: Wrestling Big
Ideas in a Bruising Workplace
The company is conducting an experiment in how far it can push
white-collar workers to get them to achieve its ever-expanding ambitions.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/16/technology/inside-amazon-wrestling-big-ideas-in-a-bruising-workplace.html
creatives4innovation
(98 posts)Bezos is currently the 6th wealthiest person in the world.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)Past experiences say she won't.
basselope
(2,565 posts)but fails to follow through... so her "plan" doesn't mean much.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)rhetoric. Here is some common rhetoric, "We need to look into that further," "Further studies are needed," and here's one she said about the student loan problem, "I would ask the states to hold down tuition," Seriously? So how would that work Ms. Clinton? You'd call the states or write them a letter asking them to hold down tuitions? I am guessing that 48 states would tell you to go to hell and the other two would answer, "WTF?" Of course she would be satisfied because that's all she said she'd do, ask.
Of course the common folks call it lying.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)ReallyIAmAnOptimist
(357 posts)This 5-min video of Bill Moyers and Elizabeth Warren I think demonstrates the mistake in trusting Hillary Clinton to have 'our back' whenever corporate interests are in conflict with that.
I think it also demonstrates what Chris Hedges writes about in Death of the Liberal Class...
Basically liberal-elites (whose functional role has traditionally been to push back on inherently greed-driven Capitalism) ALWAYS become corrupted by money, connections, opportunities, influence, the transition to being insiders, etc.
Before he was elected President, Bill Clinton was the 4th chair of the corporate-friendly DLC (Democratic Leadership Council) which after he became President realigned party-insiders with corporate interests over public interests. This brought us NAFTA (exporting jobs and driving down wages, as Ross Perot and others predicted), and undid Glass-Steagall (which had kept us crash-free for 50-years).
So arguably, two of the most devastating blows to our economy and way of life came from Bill Clinton aligning with corporate-interests and his conservative congress. Senator Sanders, (as we know) argued against both NAFTA and undoing Glass-Steagall.
To try to claim that Hillary Clinton isn't beholden to her corporate donors is only possible if you ignore the evidence. Remember the Clinton's left office semi-broke in 2001, and 15 years later have vast wealth. In my opinion, President Hillary might contend for the most corrupt (new) President ever sworn in.
Of course it's not just the Clintons, it's most of Congress. Our problems are not Dem vs. GOP, they are the 99% vs. the .01%. This is why our only hope for the United States to have a real (rather than sham) Democracy is through campaign finance reform where legalized bribery is no longer standard operating procedure.
arlington.mass
(41 posts)That was an absolutely stinging indictment of Hillary
And not just her, but the entire political system as well
Facts are facts, Bernie is right, he's been right and people like me are just starting to get it
Watch your back, Bernie, you're taking on some very powerful interests
ErisDiscordia
(443 posts)That's not allowed on this website, because Hillary.
Facts are inconvenient, stubborn things. They get in the way of many a great, high-flying argument. Facts destroy Rube Goldberg devices and political coalitions.
Facts force change. Change is bad!
Whew...I think I was channeling Third Way Manny there....sorry, Manny, wherever you are! I've got a cold and fever, and I'm probably delirious....
Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)ErisDiscordia
(443 posts)Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)ErisDiscordia
(443 posts)It's so peaceful and productive over there.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)Hope ya get over that illness, though... I'm prolly bout to get hit with the same crap, if these temperature fluctuations keep up the way they have all week.
ErisDiscordia
(443 posts)Plus having the illness in the house all week...talk about a captive audience!
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jham123
(278 posts)Her Husband signed it, and when the topic was brought up to reinstate it, she did all she could to kill it.
http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/news-you-might-have-missed-hillary-clinton-opposed-to-reinstating-glass-steagall-act/19575-news-you-might-have-missed-hillary-clinton-opposed-to-reinstating-glass-steagall-act
*snip*
"Will the Wall Street money keep flowing to Hillary Clinton despite her claim that she will clamp down on financial chicanery? It sure looks like it will if you agree with CNN Money's October 8 article that asserts "Wall Street isn't worried about Hillary Clinton's plan":
Hillary Clinton unveiled her big plan to curb the worst of Wall Street's excesses on Thursday. The reaction from the banking community was a shrug, if not relief.
While Clinton proposes some harsher regulations, she stops far short of what more populist Democrats like Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren want to do to Wall Street.
"We continue to believe Clinton would be one of the better candidates for financial firms," wrote Jaret Seiberg of Guggenheim Partners in a note to clients analyzing her plan.Sanders and Warren think the big banks should be broken up. Clinton does not. It's a big divide in the Democratic party....
"To us, [Clinton's] overall plan demonstrates an understanding of the financial system that we have not previously seen on the campaign trail," Seiberg wrote.
On Glass-Steagall, a reversal might not be so simple for Clinton. On July 21 (before the Clinton Wall Street plan was formally announced), a CNBC article noted that "Clinton rakes in Wall Street cash amid tough talk":
Clinton still attracts Wall Street money. Because she was a New York senator, she maintains an "institutional connection" to the financial industry, said Lisa Gilbert, director of the Congress Watch division at Public Citizen.
Clinton acknowledged that relationship in a speech last week, giving a nod to the what she deemed the financial industry's positive role in the economy.
"As a former senator from New York, I know firsthand the role that Wall Street can and should play in our economy," Clinton said, "helping Main Street grow and prosper and boosting new companies that make America more competitive globally...."
In the speech CNBC quotes from, Clinton did acknowledge that Wall Street needed a bit more regulation to ensure that risk-taking did not cause a repeat of 2008.
Nevertheless, the former New York senator will likely continue to receive Wall Street campaign funding, because she does not support the reinstatement of the law - The Glass-Steagall Act - that would chop off the arms of the menacing financial octopus that was created as a result of its repeal.
Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)jham123
(278 posts)Not sure I understand, but looking at my cut and paste from the articles, it seems that I posted 5 paragraphs in them. Are you saying that I needed to limit it to four? If I took the spaces out and made it all one big paragraph does that change it?
Help me to understand better so I stay within the limits
ms liberty
(8,558 posts)Post 4 para's or less, and don't combine to circumvent the rule. Respect the author, their POV and their copyright and you'll be fine.
kath
(10,565 posts)2-sentence paragraphs.
sometimes in those situations I have made the "paragraphs" longer.
ms liberty
(8,558 posts)Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)global1
(25,225 posts)on financial chicanery? It sure looks like it will.
This is exactly why I think it is important that she release the transcripts of her speeches to the Wall Street bunch. Cause it sure looks to me like she is telling us one thing while she is saying something completely different to them. Why else are they continuing throwing money at her campaign? Hmmmmm..... Makes you wonder - don't it?
mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)And below the belt!
Waaaaaaaaa!!!!!!111!!!11!11!
Uncle Joe
(58,298 posts)we have that going for us.
Thanks for the thread, 99th_Monkey.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)She's got more baggage than the airline industry.
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)Sorry, I couldn't resist.
is a clever line. The airline industry eh? I like clever invective.
lastone
(588 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,298 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Any second now someone will dutifully trot on in and say something something Socialist yada yada wont stand up to the pummeling the GOP is going to give him blah blah RW attack.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Keeping politicians honest is all of our jobs, and every little bit helps. There
really is a political revolution afoot in America, and I'm loving it .. so happy
I've lived long enough to see this FINALLY happening.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Im just saying, some minds have been well and truly made up and facts will never sway them.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)and, sadly,they aren't ALL on the GOP side of the isle.
Yet as this campaign unfolds, I'm becoming more and more convinced that Bernie is
steadily, day by day, vote by vote, via social media and word of mouth, building an
unstoppable momentum...
My God, just look at his totally awesome, historically unprecedented donor base of
millions of people getting out their check books to give him $27, because they know
he's the real deal, that he can't be bought, and that he's manifesting the solution to DU
before our very eyes, with tiny donations from millions and millions of people.
uponit7771
(90,304 posts)... signing on to the bill.
That's the first tell tale right there
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)But given the number of examples of duplicity contained therein, I venture to suppose you couldn't, try as you may, come up with a "reason" for each. I hasten to add that if she wasn't damned determined to paint herself as a Warrior for the Common Man, it would not be necessary to do so.
By all means, do keep rowing up that creek whilst the tide of effluent matter flows in the other direction...metaphorically speaking.
uponit7771
(90,304 posts)... her side of the story isn't being told
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)And again, there were NUMEROUS examples, so do your research and respond. Its bad form to refute something without evidence to back it up, yes? So be a better person and tell us why she didnt.
uponit7771
(90,304 posts)...not proffer conjecture...
Getting her side of the story would be the honest thing to do
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)If you brought up what they ought to do, you ought to do it yourself. No one is trying to be dishonest.
Rilgin
(787 posts)The great defender of women and children in the world voted no on a humanitarian bill to ban the use of Cluster Munitions in civilian areas.
These are some of the worst weapons in the world and affect children with unexploded ordinance. The US and Libya are two of the only countries not to sign on to an international accord not to use these type of weapons.
The Cluster Munitions Civilian Protection Act was introduced as a single purpose amendment to a defense bill. There were no competing goals that might produce conflicts in policies. Obama voted for the Ban (of course) as did a majority of Democrats. Hillary joined 14 other war hawks and every republican against the Ban so as to allow the US to use these weapons.
The Iraq War vote was bad. Voting against this humanitarian bill is beyond indefensible. So please try to tell us a single reason that this vote had any redeeming features other than to continue to establish herself as a war hawk no matter the cost to the civilians of the world.
Please give us one reason. I posted a thread before and the crickets were amazing. Lets see if you can give one reason this vote was anything other than shameless on Hillary's part.
uponit7771
(90,304 posts)... test
Rilgin
(787 posts)It was not a single purpose bill. It was a highly negotiated concept to modernize the futures market supported by the Conservative democrats including Bill Clinton. Hillary is attacking Bernie for something rammed through congress by Bill and other corporatists and then signed by Bill while he was a lame duck.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-blumenthal/how-congress-rushed-a-bil_b_181926.html
In addition to the legislative sleaze to get this done which Sanders was not a driver of. The bill itself was complex and was related to real problems in the futures markets which had expanded. It did not just deregulate swaps. It was intended to modernize the market. The initial attempt to modernize the market was not a bad goal if it was subject to regulation. The problem is that eventually it was used by the republicans as a means to deregulate -- with the FULL SUPPORT OF THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION.
A version of it was passed by the house and then ran into problems with the Republicans in the Senate who wanted the deregulation. It then went into negotiations which Sanders was not a part of where they added the extreme deregulation to appease Phil Graham. Then this bill with all new deregulation language was attached to a larger conference report (containing provisions necessary to keep the government afloat) at the last moment as part of a sleazy congressional tactic. The Clinton Administration then put its weight behind it.
So you are trying to attack Sanders with a law that Bill Clinton wanted to sign and put his presidential weight behindl. In retrospect, it would have been better for Sanders to join the other 3 congress critters voting against it. Do you really believe he is for deregulation of wall street as an independant single goal?
You are trying to tar Sanders with a sleazy legislative effort by the Republicans and the Clinton Administration to get something they wanted passed by making it part of an important omnibus bill after they cut a deal with Graham to add language to get Republicans on board.
The main problem with your attack is that it was not a single simple humanitarian bill but a bill with some good and bad attached to a bigger bill that was necessary for the Government to run. Sleazy politicians do this all the time. They attach stuff to bills that people will have a hard time voting against. This is different than a one off bill like the one I mentioned. I am sure that if the Clinton Administration had proposed the CFMA with the total deregulation language as a one off bill you would have seen a lot more democrats voting against it. And please refer me to a single incidence of Hillary arguing at the time her husband was signing this bill that it was a bad bill.
Ok. YOUR TURN. Please explain why Clinton voted against a ban on Cluster Munitions in civilian areas. I am sure you will be able to at least come up with some explanation
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)global1
(25,225 posts)their ROHI = their return on Hillary investment
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)This is Clinton's exchange on the Town Hall last night.
They're told don't you dare say climate change is real because we're in the fossil fuel business. So this is exactly what they are up to. And, yes...
(APPLAUSE)
CLINTON: ... it is probably -- look, at this point it's probably not correct to say it's a conspiracy because it's out in the open. You know, there is no doubt about what they're doing and who the players are and what they're trying to achieve.
And they're shopping among the Republican candidates to figure out who among them will most likely do their bidding. So just know what we're up against because it's real and we're going to beat it."
How can she say with a straight face that money received from Wall Street doesn't affect her, BUT then say monies that Republicans accepted from the Koch Brothers will effectively do their bidding? It's the height of hypocrisy.
valerief
(53,235 posts)TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)Who knows what surprises we're in for?
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)There's Rubio on the right and Clinton on the left...both controlled by Wall Street and the Oligarchs. Thanks for shining a light on this hypocrite.
uponit7771
(90,304 posts)dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Why not do some research and tell us LIVs, as you so charmingly referred to us up thread, why she didn't sign this one bill you picked out? And while you're at it, find reasons for all the others noted in the OP?
JohnnyRingo
(18,619 posts)I know that's not #1 or even #5, but one Barack Hussein Obama was 23rd, putting her heads above where we are right now. She was rated a mere 10 points behind DU Golden boy Bernie Sanders, but hey, Hillary is a republican in disguise, right?
And people think Rush Limbaugh was wasting hot air all those years. It seems he got to a lot of listeners on the left. Wait until he trains his toxin breathed rants at Bernie Sanders. I doubt he fares nearly as well.
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/hillary_clinton/300022
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)lots of work to do
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)AllyCat
(16,152 posts)What working person would not get a boost from a hike in minimum wage to a living wage?
DhhD
(4,695 posts)Even the $21 figure we heard before Fight for $15 isn't enough!
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)her decisions were influenced by the cash she has received. LOL, yeah like in my dreams. Anderson probably said "Hey Hills, welcome to the top 0.1%" with a high five.
When H. Clinton asks that question notice that she asks it to those that won't answer. I dare her to ask that question to Sen Sanders or Sen Warren.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)when Hills popped that question, of course leaving people thinking .. "gee I guess
there must not be any examples of GS influencing Hillary".
left lowrider
(97 posts)This is what the media SHOULD be doing!
She asked the question- we should answer it.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)along with 10,000 other people with 10,000 other questions.
I didn't win that "lottery" this time, Rachael didn't pop the "answer"
Now what?
questionseverything
(9,645 posts)if hc is campaigning in nh maybe a person will ask it if the social media buzz is big enough
btw good bradblog today on nh and elections
http://bradblog.com/?p=11547
Unknown Beatle
(2,672 posts)She going to go after them by yelling "Cut it out!", and if they still don't listen, she'll yell 'cut it out' some more until they listen. Not act on it, but listen.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Seems she got partial pass due to a revision here and a missed vote there.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/BL-WB-57982
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Even my sweet, innocent mother. Even she looks at Hillary and sees a liar and a cheat.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)....but I did bookmark this one!
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)I couldn't help but think of this guy
Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)I didn't catch that until you posted the picture.
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)Gorgatron
(95 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Please.
ozone_man
(4,825 posts)That buys a lot of influence, as does $21.3M in speaking fees in two years.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-02-05/sanders-slams-hillary-wall-street-puppet-ahead-critical-new-hampshire-primary
rladdi
(581 posts)The Republicans are the one supporting Wall Street, blocking bills to keep them in check. The Republicans are the ones benefiting from Wall Street. Why are the Democrats beating themselves across the head, just shut up.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)hand over fi$t, so either way Wall St. wins.
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)Before becoming the senior senator from Massachusetts, then-Harvard Law professor Warren joined Bill to discuss the problems facing middle-class Americans, and how beholden legislators may not always have their best interests in mind.
In this clip, Warren recounts a meeting she had with first lady Hillary Clinton in the late 1990s, Clintons position on bankruptcy legislation at that time, and how everything changed after she became a New York senator.
http://billmoyers.com/2015/11/18/flashback-elizabeth-warren-tells-a-story-about-hillary-clinton-wall-street-and-lobbying/
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)I honestly was surprised she said this again this week. It seemed like she is gambling on the mainstream media not reporting on it.