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99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 04:08 PM Feb 2016

Clinton Last Night: "Name Anything [Wall Street Has] Influenced Me On" -- OK, I Will

Clinton Last Night: "Name Anything [Wall Street Has] Influenced Me On" -- OK, I Will
By HumanOfEarth * Thursday Feb 04, 2016 * Daily Kos

It is wrong and unfair to attack or critique candidates on anything but substance, policy, or record — and Clinton’s statements last night definitely fall underneath this umbrella. The following is not an unbridled attack against Clinton, but a response to a statement she made last night that went unanswered, and should not have.

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While being questioned about her Wall Street ties, Clinton said to Anderson Cooper, the moderator—

“But you know anybody who knows me who thinks that they can influence me — name anything they’ve influenced me on. Just name one thing. I’m out here every day saying I’m going to shut them down, I’m going after them.”


Challenge accepted.

In 2007, while running for president, Clinton made campaign speeches attacking the tax break for hedge-fund and private-equity executives — one of the infamous loopholes that allows rich people to pay way less in taxes than they’re supposed to — but did not sign her name onto legislation that would have ended the tax break and closed the loophole.

Just as she’s doing now, she was “out [t]here every day saying I’m going to shut them down,” but did not actually use her elected-official power to keep her word, and follow through with the simple act of signing her name onto someone else’s bill.

As Politico reports,

When [Clinton] had a chance to support a 2007 bill that aimed to curb a tax break she publicly decried for hedge-fund and private-equity executives, she failed to sign on.
Clinton said one thing in public, but did another behind closed doors. She attacked Wall Street to voters, but helped them as a senator.


Why?

Because Wall Street executives were the biggest donors to her 2006 Senate campaign and her 2008 presidential campaign.

Clinton got millions from the financial industry while also protecting them — she is most assuredly influenced by her Wall Street donors.

That’s one thing right there, per Clinton’s request — but here’s even more.

In 2007 and 2008, Clinton did not work with the other senators in Congress to pass a housing bill to stop individual financial players from destroying the economy.

As ProPublica reports,

When a broad housing bill finally became law in 2008, Clinton was not among the more than dozen senators credited by party leaders as playing a key role.


She was not a leader in the Senate to stop Wall Street’s reckless behavior. In fact, she was barely even a follower.

MORE:http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/2/4/1479904/-Clinton-Last-Night-Name-Anything-Wall-Street-Has-Influenced-Me-On-OK-I-Will
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Clinton Last Night: "Name Anything [Wall Street Has] Influenced Me On" -- OK, I Will (Original Post) 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 OP
Interesting. H2O Man Feb 2016 #1
You're most welcome. 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #13
Yes. H2O Man Feb 2016 #15
Done!! 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #17
Likewise! H2O Man Feb 2016 #18
Don't know if this counts UglyGreed Feb 2016 #2
Elizabeth 'splains it all. AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #4
And does very UglyGreed Feb 2016 #20
She drops the hammer at 3:40. It's beautiful. reformist2 Feb 2016 #69
Ahh... cilla4progress Feb 2016 #100
That's Exhibit A for me. CharlotteVale Feb 2016 #9
A part of UglyGreed Feb 2016 #19
Warren Praises Hillary's Wall Street Plan (Dated 12-7-15) lobodons Feb 2016 #31
Let correct the Post's title UglyGreed Feb 2016 #35
Also let's get to know UglyGreed Feb 2016 #36
Live rankings creatives4innovation Feb 2016 #88
and why should we believe she intends to implement any plans she announces ahead of the primary magical thyme Feb 2016 #52
If you look at the OP the problem is that Clinton presents interesting PLANS basselope Feb 2016 #55
In politics they aren't called lies, they are called campaign rhetoric and she is the queen of rhett o rick Feb 2016 #61
And this should go to Rachel with the other info passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #42
One could only hope UglyGreed Feb 2016 #43
Right. HRC was against this bankruptcy bill as 1st lady, then voted for it as Senator Clinton ReallyIAmAnOptimist Feb 2016 #60
Ooooh, that stings arlington.mass Feb 2016 #65
Ah now, you are confusing the readers with the facts! With documented, historical truth ErisDiscordia Feb 2016 #3
I hope you feel better soon. Manny is over at jackpineradical, if you miss him. nt Mnemosyne Feb 2016 #5
I know where he posts, I was just speaking in terms of general location ErisDiscordia Feb 2016 #8
Just trying to help... nt Mnemosyne Feb 2016 #37
I know, and I appreciate it! Others will make use of that, I'm sure. ErisDiscordia Feb 2016 #39
LOL - well, if you're gonna channel someone, TWM's a good pick. nt 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #6
The man to channel when you need to shine a light in a roach-infested room, tbh VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #10
I'm sure that had something to do with it ErisDiscordia Feb 2016 #12
#FactAttack Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #22
Can anyone say Glass Steagal? jham123 Feb 2016 #7
More *snip* jham123 Feb 2016 #14
Welcome jham! Please limit posting over 4 paragraphs, per copyright laws. Mnemosyne Feb 2016 #40
Four Paragraphs? jham123 Feb 2016 #49
Welcome to DU, jham123! ms liberty Feb 2016 #62
It becomes kinda weird though, because some newspaper articles have a lot of 1-sentence and kath Feb 2016 #66
True, it becomes a judgement call sometimes! n/t ms liberty Feb 2016 #67
4 paragraphs max and nope, cannot cram them together into one big one. Mnemosyne Feb 2016 #80
Will The Wall Street Money Keep Flowing To Hillary Despite Her Claim She Will Clamp Down On.... global1 Feb 2016 #47
Hey that's sexist! mindwalker_i Feb 2016 #11
On the other hand I heard that Hillary was going to tell them to "cut it out" ....so Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #16
Ugh. SoapBox Feb 2016 #21
An apt Hobbit name -Hilmo' Baggage? Juicy_Bellows Feb 2016 #25
now THAT navarth Feb 2016 #30
she's brought and paid for lastone Feb 2016 #23
A little goat kick. Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #24
LOL! thanks .. that's hella cute. nt 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #28
cattle trading? ViseGrip Feb 2016 #26
K & R !!! WillyT Feb 2016 #27
Sadly, this will change zero minds about her dorkzilla Feb 2016 #29
Truth is actually starting to really matter again in American politics, thanks to Bernie. 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #32
And I’m glad you shared it too! dorkzilla Feb 2016 #33
True dat. re: 'some minds' are impervious to truth. 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #41
Maybe because half truth stories only persuade LIVs... It doesn't state her reason for not.... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #51
There may be a plausible reason not to sign one bill, or to have one example of, ahem, hyperbole... dorkzilla Feb 2016 #56
All that to say what I posted was right, the article doesn't state her reasons for not signing on so uponit7771 Feb 2016 #83
So, tell her side of the story then. Why didn’t she? dorkzilla Feb 2016 #89
They should ask her, it's open the people in the article to get her side of the story and ... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #92
proffering conjecture? dorkzilla Feb 2016 #94
Ok. How about a plausible explanation on her no vote on th“Cluster Munitions Civilian Protection Act Rilgin Feb 2016 #82
I would like the same from Sanders on CFMA... HRC was right last night, he can't past his own purity uponit7771 Feb 2016 #84
You know the answer already. It has already made its way into posts here Rilgin Feb 2016 #99
Absolutely, the investors aren't investing in her with no expectaion of a return on their money. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #34
They're Concerned About There Bottom Line, Bonuses, Pay Raises And ..... global1 Feb 2016 #48
Hillary, you can't have it both ways. EndElectoral Feb 2016 #38
She doesn't want Glass-Steagall reinstated. That says a whole lot right there. nt valerief Feb 2016 #44
I can't wait to watch her rhetorical gymnastics tonight. TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #45
LOL!! monicaangela Feb 2016 #46
What was Clintons reasons for not signing on to the bill? tia uponit7771 Feb 2016 #50
Instead of repeatedly asking the same question dorkzilla Feb 2016 #58
Hillary was the 11th most liberal senator while in office JohnnyRingo Feb 2016 #53
very true - shows just how far we have moved to the right SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #57
A BIG KICK Angry Dragon Feb 2016 #54
Settle for $12? AllyCat Feb 2016 #59
And $15/hour is still not a living wage. Where did she really get this $12 from? DhhD Feb 2016 #71
Exactly. AllyCat Feb 2016 #73
I didn't see the interview but I bet Mr. Cooper gave some examples where it appears that rhett o rick Feb 2016 #63
You're absolutely correct. Mr. "has all the facts" Cooper was suddenly mute 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #64
FANTASTIC POST left lowrider Feb 2016 #68
I tried to spoon-feed this article to Rachael 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #77
keep it going in social media...eventually the msm will catch up questionseverything Feb 2016 #96
That's not true. Unknown Beatle Feb 2016 #70
She favored Bankruptcy Bill that favored Wall Street over People Octafish Feb 2016 #72
She Makes Me And Everyone I Know Sick billhicks76 Feb 2016 #74
K&R liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #75
I rarely bookmark a thread Bjornsdotter Feb 2016 #76
Happy to hear that, the way you phrased that .. lol 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #78
Yikes! Bjornsdotter Feb 2016 #79
+1 n/t Admiral Loinpresser Feb 2016 #87
Awesome thank you! I was wondering about that statement Gorgatron Feb 2016 #81
She's the one who said she represented Wall Street. merrily Feb 2016 #85
Kicked and recommended to the Max! Pay attention, people! Enthusiast Feb 2016 #86
$17.3M campaign and PAC contributions from Wall Street investors. ozone_man Feb 2016 #90
Democrats keep fighting among themselves over Wall Street, But the Republicans are silent. rladdi Feb 2016 #91
Because Wall St. et. al. are hedging their bets by throwing money at Hillary Clinton 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #95
Warren recalling Hillary's "flip", says it's influenced by the influential WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2016 #93
Yeah... she sort of created the opening on this. kenfrequed Feb 2016 #97
Smells like pretzels to me. BeanMusical Feb 2016 #98
Excellent! Thank you! peacebird Feb 2016 #101
 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
13. You're most welcome.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 04:27 PM
Feb 2016

I hope this comes up tonight, and Bernie's prepared with some of this.

Wondering if I (or someone) should send the link to Rachael?

cilla4progress

(24,718 posts)
100. Ahh...
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 05:53 PM
Feb 2016

I remember this.

Bernie speaks the truth. As does Elizabeth. Hillary, not so much, I'm afraid. Maybe there ARE things she has done to protect main st. from wall st.

Anyone?

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
35. Let correct the Post's title
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 05:15 PM
Feb 2016

for you Elizabeth Warren Praises Aspects Of Hillary Clinton's Wall Street Reform Plan...... You're Welcome

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
36. Also let's get to know
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 05:23 PM
Feb 2016

Jeff Bezos owner of the Washington Post.....

Jeff Bezos, Inscrutable Libertarian Democrat

After the Washington Post put out word that it had been bought by Amazon.com founder Jeff Bezos, a libertarian friend posted a wry observation on Facebook. (You can do that—you don't just have to use the site for baby pics.) "A libertarian billionaire bought a newspaper today and everyone cheered," he said. "What a difference the name 'Koch' makes."

That's a little cute; Bezos' investments in political and ideological causes are eclipsed many times over by that of the Kochs, or the Scaifes, or the Soroses, etc. But he's earned a reputation as a libertarian with a targeted style of giving. He's donated to the Reason Foundation, which publishes the first magazine that hired me, Reason. He gave $100,000 to the campaign to beat an income tax in his own Washington state—and he won.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2013/08/05/jeff_bezos_inscrutable_libertarian_democrat.html

Inside Amazon: Wrestling Big
Ideas in a Bruising Workplace
The company is conducting an experiment in how far it can push
white-collar workers to get them to achieve its ever-expanding ambitions.


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/16/technology/inside-amazon-wrestling-big-ideas-in-a-bruising-workplace.html

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
52. and why should we believe she intends to implement any plans she announces ahead of the primary
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 06:32 PM
Feb 2016

Past experiences say she won't.

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
55. If you look at the OP the problem is that Clinton presents interesting PLANS
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 06:57 PM
Feb 2016

but fails to follow through... so her "plan" doesn't mean much.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
61. In politics they aren't called lies, they are called campaign rhetoric and she is the queen of
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 08:29 PM
Feb 2016

rhetoric. Here is some common rhetoric, "We need to look into that further," "Further studies are needed," and here's one she said about the student loan problem, "I would ask the states to hold down tuition," Seriously? So how would that work Ms. Clinton? You'd call the states or write them a letter asking them to hold down tuitions? I am guessing that 48 states would tell you to go to hell and the other two would answer, "WTF?" Of course she would be satisfied because that's all she said she'd do, ask.

Of course the common folks call it lying.

60. Right. HRC was against this bankruptcy bill as 1st lady, then voted for it as Senator Clinton
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 08:14 PM
Feb 2016

This 5-min video of Bill Moyers and Elizabeth Warren I think demonstrates the mistake in trusting Hillary Clinton to have 'our back' whenever corporate interests are in conflict with that.

I think it also demonstrates what Chris Hedges writes about in Death of the Liberal Class...

Basically liberal-elites (whose functional role has traditionally been to push back on inherently greed-driven Capitalism) ALWAYS become corrupted by money, connections, opportunities, influence, the transition to being insiders, etc.

Before he was elected President, Bill Clinton was the 4th chair of the corporate-friendly DLC (Democratic Leadership Council) which after he became President realigned party-insiders with corporate interests over public interests. This brought us NAFTA (exporting jobs and driving down wages, as Ross Perot and others predicted), and undid Glass-Steagall (which had kept us crash-free for 50-years).

So arguably, two of the most devastating blows to our economy and way of life came from Bill Clinton aligning with corporate-interests and his conservative congress. Senator Sanders, (as we know) argued against both NAFTA and undoing Glass-Steagall.

To try to claim that Hillary Clinton isn't beholden to her corporate donors is only possible if you ignore the evidence. Remember the Clinton's left office semi-broke in 2001, and 15 years later have vast wealth. In my opinion, President Hillary might contend for the most corrupt (new) President ever sworn in.

Of course it's not just the Clintons, it's most of Congress. Our problems are not Dem vs. GOP, they are the 99% vs. the .01%. This is why our only hope for the United States to have a real (rather than sham) Democracy is through campaign finance reform where legalized bribery is no longer standard operating procedure.

 

arlington.mass

(41 posts)
65. Ooooh, that stings
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 08:49 PM
Feb 2016

That was an absolutely stinging indictment of Hillary

And not just her, but the entire political system as well

Facts are facts, Bernie is right, he's been right and people like me are just starting to get it

Watch your back, Bernie, you're taking on some very powerful interests

 

ErisDiscordia

(443 posts)
3. Ah now, you are confusing the readers with the facts! With documented, historical truth
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 04:16 PM
Feb 2016

That's not allowed on this website, because Hillary.

Facts are inconvenient, stubborn things. They get in the way of many a great, high-flying argument. Facts destroy Rube Goldberg devices and political coalitions.

Facts force change. Change is bad!


Whew...I think I was channeling Third Way Manny there....sorry, Manny, wherever you are! I've got a cold and fever, and I'm probably delirious....

 

ErisDiscordia

(443 posts)
39. I know, and I appreciate it! Others will make use of that, I'm sure.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 05:26 PM
Feb 2016

It's so peaceful and productive over there.

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
10. The man to channel when you need to shine a light in a roach-infested room, tbh
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 04:26 PM
Feb 2016

Hope ya get over that illness, though... I'm prolly bout to get hit with the same crap, if these temperature fluctuations keep up the way they have all week.

 

ErisDiscordia

(443 posts)
12. I'm sure that had something to do with it
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 04:27 PM
Feb 2016

Plus having the illness in the house all week...talk about a captive audience!

jham123

(278 posts)
7. Can anyone say Glass Steagal?
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 04:23 PM
Feb 2016

Her Husband signed it, and when the topic was brought up to reinstate it, she did all she could to kill it.

http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/news-you-might-have-missed-hillary-clinton-opposed-to-reinstating-glass-steagall-act/19575-news-you-might-have-missed-hillary-clinton-opposed-to-reinstating-glass-steagall-act

*snip*

"Will the Wall Street money keep flowing to Hillary Clinton despite her claim that she will clamp down on financial chicanery? It sure looks like it will if you agree with CNN Money's October 8 article that asserts "Wall Street isn't worried about Hillary Clinton's plan":

Hillary Clinton unveiled her big plan to curb the worst of Wall Street's excesses on Thursday. The reaction from the banking community was a shrug, if not relief.

While Clinton proposes some harsher regulations, she stops far short of what more populist Democrats like Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren want to do to Wall Street.

"We continue to believe Clinton would be one of the better candidates for financial firms," wrote Jaret Seiberg of Guggenheim Partners in a note to clients analyzing her plan.Sanders and Warren think the big banks should be broken up. Clinton does not. It's a big divide in the Democratic party....

"To us, [Clinton's] overall plan demonstrates an understanding of the financial system that we have not previously seen on the campaign trail," Seiberg wrote.

jham123

(278 posts)
14. More *snip*
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 04:29 PM
Feb 2016

On Glass-Steagall, a reversal might not be so simple for Clinton. On July 21 (before the Clinton Wall Street plan was formally announced), a CNBC article noted that "Clinton rakes in Wall Street cash amid tough talk":

Clinton still attracts Wall Street money. Because she was a New York senator, she maintains an "institutional connection" to the financial industry, said Lisa Gilbert, director of the Congress Watch division at Public Citizen.

Clinton acknowledged that relationship in a speech last week, giving a nod to the what she deemed the financial industry's positive role in the economy.

"As a former senator from New York, I know firsthand the role that Wall Street can and should play in our economy," Clinton said, "helping Main Street grow and prosper and boosting new companies that make America more competitive globally...."

In the speech CNBC quotes from, Clinton did acknowledge that Wall Street needed a bit more regulation to ensure that risk-taking did not cause a repeat of 2008.

Nevertheless, the former New York senator will likely continue to receive Wall Street campaign funding, because she does not support the reinstatement of the law - The Glass-Steagall Act - that would chop off the arms of the menacing financial octopus that was created as a result of its repeal.

jham123

(278 posts)
49. Four Paragraphs?
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 06:15 PM
Feb 2016

Not sure I understand, but looking at my cut and paste from the articles, it seems that I posted 5 paragraphs in them. Are you saying that I needed to limit it to four? If I took the spaces out and made it all one big paragraph does that change it?

Help me to understand better so I stay within the limits

ms liberty

(8,558 posts)
62. Welcome to DU, jham123!
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 08:42 PM
Feb 2016

Post 4 para's or less, and don't combine to circumvent the rule. Respect the author, their POV and their copyright and you'll be fine.

kath

(10,565 posts)
66. It becomes kinda weird though, because some newspaper articles have a lot of 1-sentence and
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 09:18 PM
Feb 2016

2-sentence paragraphs.

sometimes in those situations I have made the "paragraphs" longer.

global1

(25,225 posts)
47. Will The Wall Street Money Keep Flowing To Hillary Despite Her Claim She Will Clamp Down On....
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 05:59 PM
Feb 2016

on financial chicanery? It sure looks like it will.

This is exactly why I think it is important that she release the transcripts of her speeches to the Wall Street bunch. Cause it sure looks to me like she is telling us one thing while she is saying something completely different to them. Why else are they continuing throwing money at her campaign? Hmmmmm..... Makes you wonder - don't it?

Uncle Joe

(58,298 posts)
16. On the other hand I heard that Hillary was going to tell them to "cut it out" ....so
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 04:34 PM
Feb 2016

we have that going for us.


Thanks for the thread, 99th_Monkey.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
29. Sadly, this will change zero minds about her
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 05:06 PM
Feb 2016

Any second now someone will dutifully trot on in and say something something Socialist yada yada won’t stand up to the pummeling the GOP is going to give him blah blah RW attack.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
32. Truth is actually starting to really matter again in American politics, thanks to Bernie.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 05:12 PM
Feb 2016

Keeping politicians honest is all of our jobs, and every little bit helps. There
really is a political revolution afoot in America, and I'm loving it .. so happy
I've lived long enough to see this FINALLY happening.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
33. And I’m glad you shared it too!
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 05:13 PM
Feb 2016

I’m just saying, some minds have been well and truly made up and “facts” will never sway them.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
41. True dat. re: 'some minds' are impervious to truth.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 05:27 PM
Feb 2016

and, sadly,they aren't ALL on the GOP side of the isle.

Yet as this campaign unfolds, I'm becoming more and more convinced that Bernie is
steadily, day by day, vote by vote, via social media and word of mouth, building an
unstoppable momentum...

My God, just look at his totally awesome, historically unprecedented donor base of
millions of people getting out their check books to give him $27, because they know
he's the real deal, that he can't be bought, and that he's manifesting the solution to DU
before our very eyes, with tiny donations from millions and millions of people.

uponit7771

(90,304 posts)
51. Maybe because half truth stories only persuade LIVs... It doesn't state her reason for not....
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 06:18 PM
Feb 2016

... signing on to the bill.

That's the first tell tale right there

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
56. There may be a plausible reason not to sign one bill, or to have one example of, ahem, hyperbole...
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 07:20 PM
Feb 2016

But given the number of examples of duplicity contained therein, I venture to suppose you couldn't, try as you may, come up with a "reason" for each. I hasten to add that if she wasn't damned determined to paint herself as a Warrior for the Common Man, it would not be necessary to do so.

By all means, do keep rowing up that creek whilst the tide of effluent matter flows in the other direction...metaphorically speaking.

uponit7771

(90,304 posts)
83. All that to say what I posted was right, the article doesn't state her reasons for not signing on so
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 08:28 AM
Feb 2016

... her side of the story isn't being told

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
89. So, tell her side of the story then. Why didn’t she?
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 10:31 AM
Feb 2016

And again, there were NUMEROUS examples, so do your research and respond. It’s bad form to refute something without evidence to back it up, yes? So be a better person and tell us why she didn’t.

uponit7771

(90,304 posts)
92. They should ask her, it's open the people in the article to get her side of the story and ...
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 12:09 PM
Feb 2016

...not proffer conjecture...

Getting her side of the story would be the honest thing to do

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
94. proffering conjecture?
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 12:56 PM
Feb 2016

If you brought up what they ought to do, you ought to do it yourself. No one is trying to be dishonest.

Rilgin

(787 posts)
82. Ok. How about a plausible explanation on her no vote on th“Cluster Munitions Civilian Protection Act
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 05:01 AM
Feb 2016

The great defender of women and children in the world voted no on a humanitarian bill to ban the use of Cluster Munitions in civilian areas.

These are some of the worst weapons in the world and affect children with unexploded ordinance. The US and Libya are two of the only countries not to sign on to an international accord not to use these type of weapons.

The Cluster Munitions Civilian Protection Act was introduced as a single purpose amendment to a defense bill. There were no competing goals that might produce conflicts in policies. Obama voted for the Ban (of course) as did a majority of Democrats. Hillary joined 14 other war hawks and every republican against the Ban so as to allow the US to use these weapons.

The Iraq War vote was bad. Voting against this humanitarian bill is beyond indefensible. So please try to tell us a single reason that this vote had any redeeming features other than to continue to establish herself as a war hawk no matter the cost to the civilians of the world.

Please give us one reason. I posted a thread before and the crickets were amazing. Lets see if you can give one reason this vote was anything other than shameless on Hillary's part.

uponit7771

(90,304 posts)
84. I would like the same from Sanders on CFMA... HRC was right last night, he can't past his own purity
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 08:29 AM
Feb 2016

... test

Rilgin

(787 posts)
99. You know the answer already. It has already made its way into posts here
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 03:49 PM
Feb 2016

It was not a single purpose bill. It was a highly negotiated concept to modernize the futures market supported by the Conservative democrats including Bill Clinton. Hillary is attacking Bernie for something rammed through congress by Bill and other corporatists and then signed by Bill while he was a lame duck.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-blumenthal/how-congress-rushed-a-bil_b_181926.html

In addition to the legislative sleaze to get this done which Sanders was not a driver of. The bill itself was complex and was related to real problems in the futures markets which had expanded. It did not just deregulate swaps. It was intended to modernize the market. The initial attempt to modernize the market was not a bad goal if it was subject to regulation. The problem is that eventually it was used by the republicans as a means to deregulate -- with the FULL SUPPORT OF THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION.

A version of it was passed by the house and then ran into problems with the Republicans in the Senate who wanted the deregulation. It then went into negotiations which Sanders was not a part of where they added the extreme deregulation to appease Phil Graham. Then this bill with all new deregulation language was attached to a larger conference report (containing provisions necessary to keep the government afloat) at the last moment as part of a sleazy congressional tactic. The Clinton Administration then put its weight behind it.

So you are trying to attack Sanders with a law that Bill Clinton wanted to sign and put his presidential weight behindl. In retrospect, it would have been better for Sanders to join the other 3 congress critters voting against it. Do you really believe he is for deregulation of wall street as an independant single goal?

You are trying to tar Sanders with a sleazy legislative effort by the Republicans and the Clinton Administration to get something they wanted passed by making it part of an important omnibus bill after they cut a deal with Graham to add language to get Republicans on board.

The main problem with your attack is that it was not a single simple humanitarian bill but a bill with some good and bad attached to a bigger bill that was necessary for the Government to run. Sleazy politicians do this all the time. They attach stuff to bills that people will have a hard time voting against. This is different than a one off bill like the one I mentioned. I am sure that if the Clinton Administration had proposed the CFMA with the total deregulation language as a one off bill you would have seen a lot more democrats voting against it. And please refer me to a single incidence of Hillary arguing at the time her husband was signing this bill that it was a bad bill.

Ok. YOUR TURN. Please explain why Clinton voted against a ban on Cluster Munitions in civilian areas. I am sure you will be able to at least come up with some explanation

global1

(25,225 posts)
48. They're Concerned About There Bottom Line, Bonuses, Pay Raises And .....
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 06:03 PM
Feb 2016

their ROHI = their return on Hillary investment

EndElectoral

(4,213 posts)
38. Hillary, you can't have it both ways.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 05:25 PM
Feb 2016

This is Clinton's exchange on the Town Hall last night.

"I said today in Dover, you know, I don't think all of the Republican candidates are so ill-informed about climate change that they say they don't know because they're not scientists. They're just doing the bidding of the Koch brothers.

They're told don't you dare say climate change is real because we're in the fossil fuel business. So this is exactly what they are up to. And, yes...

(APPLAUSE)

CLINTON: ... it is probably -- look, at this point it's probably not correct to say it's a conspiracy because it's out in the open. You know, there is no doubt about what they're doing and who the players are and what they're trying to achieve.

And they're shopping among the Republican candidates to figure out who among them will most likely do their bidding. So just know what we're up against because it's real and we're going to beat it."

How can she say with a straight face that money received from Wall Street doesn't affect her, BUT then say monies that Republicans accepted from the Koch Brothers will effectively do their bidding? It's the height of hypocrisy.

monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
46. LOL!!
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 05:56 PM
Feb 2016

There's Rubio on the right and Clinton on the left...both controlled by Wall Street and the Oligarchs. Thanks for shining a light on this hypocrite.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
58. Instead of repeatedly asking the same question
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 07:27 PM
Feb 2016

Why not do some research and tell us LIVs, as you so charmingly referred to us up thread, why she didn't sign this one bill you picked out? And while you're at it, find reasons for all the others noted in the OP?

JohnnyRingo

(18,619 posts)
53. Hillary was the 11th most liberal senator while in office
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 06:35 PM
Feb 2016
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/3/31/1374629/-Hillary-Clinton-Was-the-11th-Most-Liberal-Member-of-the-Senate

I know that's not #1 or even #5, but one Barack Hussein Obama was 23rd, putting her heads above where we are right now. She was rated a mere 10 points behind DU Golden boy Bernie Sanders, but hey, Hillary is a republican in disguise, right?

And people think Rush Limbaugh was wasting hot air all those years. It seems he got to a lot of listeners on the left. Wait until he trains his toxin breathed rants at Bernie Sanders. I doubt he fares nearly as well.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/hillary_clinton/300022

AllyCat

(16,152 posts)
59. Settle for $12?
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 07:51 PM
Feb 2016

What working person would not get a boost from a hike in minimum wage to a living wage?

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
63. I didn't see the interview but I bet Mr. Cooper gave some examples where it appears that
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 08:43 PM
Feb 2016

her decisions were influenced by the cash she has received. LOL, yeah like in my dreams. Anderson probably said "Hey Hills, welcome to the top 0.1%" with a high five.

When H. Clinton asks that question notice that she asks it to those that won't answer. I dare her to ask that question to Sen Sanders or Sen Warren.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
64. You're absolutely correct. Mr. "has all the facts" Cooper was suddenly mute
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 08:46 PM
Feb 2016

when Hills popped that question, of course leaving people thinking .. "gee I guess
there must not be any examples of GS influencing Hillary".

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
77. I tried to spoon-feed this article to Rachael
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:12 AM
Feb 2016

along with 10,000 other people with 10,000 other questions.

I didn't win that "lottery" this time, Rachael didn't pop the "answer"

Now what?

questionseverything

(9,645 posts)
96. keep it going in social media...eventually the msm will catch up
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 02:42 PM
Feb 2016

if hc is campaigning in nh maybe a person will ask it if the social media buzz is big enough

btw good bradblog today on nh and elections

http://bradblog.com/?p=11547

Unknown Beatle

(2,672 posts)
70. That's not true.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 10:30 PM
Feb 2016

She going to go after them by yelling "Cut it out!", and if they still don't listen, she'll yell 'cut it out' some more until they listen. Not act on it, but listen.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
72. She favored Bankruptcy Bill that favored Wall Street over People
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 11:29 PM
Feb 2016

Seems she got partial pass due to a revision here and a missed vote there.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/BL-WB-57982



 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
74. She Makes Me And Everyone I Know Sick
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:01 AM
Feb 2016

Even my sweet, innocent mother. Even she looks at Hillary and sees a liar and a cheat.

rladdi

(581 posts)
91. Democrats keep fighting among themselves over Wall Street, But the Republicans are silent.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 12:03 PM
Feb 2016

The Republicans are the one supporting Wall Street, blocking bills to keep them in check. The Republicans are the ones benefiting from Wall Street. Why are the Democrats beating themselves across the head, just shut up.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
95. Because Wall St. et. al. are hedging their bets by throwing money at Hillary Clinton
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 02:12 PM
Feb 2016

hand over fi$t, so either way Wall St. wins.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
93. Warren recalling Hillary's "flip", says it's influenced by the influential
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 12:44 PM
Feb 2016

Before becoming the senior senator from Massachusetts, then-Harvard Law professor Warren joined Bill to discuss the problems facing middle-class Americans, and how “beholden” legislators may not always have their best interests in mind.

In this clip, Warren recounts a meeting she had with first lady Hillary Clinton in the late 1990s, Clinton’s position on bankruptcy legislation at that time, and how everything changed after she became a New York senator.

http://billmoyers.com/2015/11/18/flashback-elizabeth-warren-tells-a-story-about-hillary-clinton-wall-street-and-lobbying/

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
97. Yeah... she sort of created the opening on this.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 02:51 PM
Feb 2016

I honestly was surprised she said this again this week. It seemed like she is gambling on the mainstream media not reporting on it.

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