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Bernie Sanders: Prolific Democratic Party Fund Raiser. (Original Post) Thinkingabout Feb 2016 OP
Nice try with the new tactic. Won't work. n/t Avalux Feb 2016 #1
Hum... he has on several occasions helped the Democratic party out even while foregoing... gcomeau Feb 2016 #2
lol - he has raised money at the request of the DNC TBF Feb 2016 #3
I thought the meme was that he didn't do enough for the downticket? JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #4
It's both. He's bad for raising funds and for not raising funds. It's Mad Hatter time. Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #6
Yes, it's both. They keep whipsawing back and forth between the two, for months now. kath Feb 2016 #25
They're scared notadmblnd Feb 2016 #31
They know their candidate took millions from Wall Street. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #44
Which is it? Matariki Feb 2016 #12
So Hillary supporters lied when they said he didn't raise money for Dems? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #5
Here's one that says Hillary raised $18 million for the Democratic party; Bernie raised nothing Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #8
This is too delicious, they are blowing their own meme out of the water. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #9
Imagine that! TransitJohn Feb 2016 #13
The title of the op reads like ringing praise for Bernie's efforts! beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #15
Oh, our bad. So we now know that he DOES show up at those big-dollar fundraisers. NYC Liberal Feb 2016 #18
I was talking about his CAMPAIGN and up to that point there were no $2700/plate dinners. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #19
Oh, so it's ok when it's for OTHER people. NYC Liberal Feb 2016 #20
No it's APPLES TO ORANGES sport, but you knew that. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #21
Right, so when Sanders is fundraising for OTHER members of Congress, NYC Liberal Feb 2016 #24
Nope, read my post again. And keep reading it. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #26
Oh, I get it alright. NYC Liberal Feb 2016 #27
Nope, maybe read it a few more times. If you're an it-getter it'll come to you. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #28
Oh there was nothing deep about it. NYC Liberal Feb 2016 #37
Not an it-getter I see. Oh well, you probably have other redeeming qualities. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #40
The congnitive dissonance must be quite painful. NYC Liberal Feb 2016 #41
Another logical fallacy! Let's see if you can figure out which one on your own. Here's a hint: beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #43
They LIE?!? Like their candidate? say it ain't so! kath Feb 2016 #29
They blew up their own meme! Now it's Bernie doesn't raise money for the RIGHT Dems! beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #32
Dupe 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #7
Not just a duplicate - a triplicate AT LEAST, maybe even a fucking quadruplicate. kath Feb 2016 #22
Well, when that's all you got, I guess that's all you got. I almost feel sorry for Hillarians 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #23
Now raising Wall Street money is a non-issue? BainsBane Feb 2016 #30
Accusing Sanders of being a Wall St. crony is both laughable and pathetic, yes. nt 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #35
I don't believe I made that accusation BainsBane Feb 2016 #42
The Clinton campaign is becoming a pretzel factory, spinning out twisted half-baked distortions 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #45
Sanders fans NEVER post anti-Clinton shit more than once. NYC Liberal Feb 2016 #33
Results of Jury tomm2thumbs Feb 2016 #34
Thanks for the heads-up. nt 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #38
I voted to leave it. neverforget Feb 2016 #36
There is a difference between raising money for the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee Matariki Feb 2016 #10
And where do you think the money goes? NYC Liberal Feb 2016 #39
Great article Gothmog Feb 2016 #11
Does Bernie UglyGreed Feb 2016 #14
And he helped out the Democratic party catnhatnh Feb 2016 #16
And became a part of the establishment. Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #17
 

gcomeau

(5,764 posts)
2. Hum... he has on several occasions helped the Democratic party out even while foregoing...
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 06:54 PM
Feb 2016

...donations from corrupting influences himself?

Hum?

TBF

(31,869 posts)
3. lol - he has raised money at the request of the DNC
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 06:55 PM
Feb 2016

and now individual donors are sending money. This is not in the same hemisphere as Hillary's deals. But thanks for playing.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
6. It's both. He's bad for raising funds and for not raising funds. It's Mad Hatter time.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 07:01 PM
Feb 2016

It makes me wonder what the underlying issue is with these folks that attack him for standing then attack him for sitting.

kath

(10,565 posts)
25. Yes, it's both. They keep whipsawing back and forth between the two, for months now.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:16 AM
Feb 2016

See my posts 69 and 71 in this thread http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511153641

(Which I think was the 2nd (or was it THIRD) one on this topic today) for links to some examples (may try to do a more exhaustive search in the a.m.)

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
31. They're scared
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:23 AM
Feb 2016

They're scared that things will change with Sanders and they're afraid they're going to have what they got taken away from them if Sanders is successful in his bid for the White House.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
44. They know their candidate took millions from Wall Street.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:11 AM
Feb 2016

So they're trying to associate Bernie with the same people but it's not comparable.

Can you imagine what they would say if Bernie took millions from the gun industry? He never took a dime but they still claim he's supported by the NRA.

They don't have anything on him but they'll keep trying to make it look like they do.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
12. Which is it?
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 07:12 PM
Feb 2016

Either they're idiots or they think we are.

Anyway, one thing for certain - it *is* transparent.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
5. So Hillary supporters lied when they said he didn't raise money for Dems?
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 07:01 PM
Feb 2016

You guys should pick a smear and stick with it, this is hilarious.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
8. Here's one that says Hillary raised $18 million for the Democratic party; Bernie raised nothing
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 07:05 PM
Feb 2016

Has 48 recs and lots of comments.

"Sanders, by comparison, did not raise any money for the DNC last year, although his campaign has said it plans to fundraise on behalf of the national party"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251968425

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
9. This is too delicious, they are blowing their own meme out of the water.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 07:08 PM
Feb 2016

This is the third thread on the "scandal" today, apparently they didn't think this through.

Good research!


NYC Liberal

(20,064 posts)
18. Oh, our bad. So we now know that he DOES show up at those big-dollar fundraisers.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:03 AM
Feb 2016

You know, that ones YOU have attacked Hillary for attending.

beam me up scottie (47,177 posts)
70. We sure did!

No $2700/plate dinners for Bernie, it's been grassroots all the way!

The people are speaking, America needs to listen.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=644378

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
19. I was talking about his CAMPAIGN and up to that point there were no $2700/plate dinners.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:06 AM
Feb 2016

But thanks for digging though the trash, too bad you came up empty. Better go wash your hands now.


NYC Liberal

(20,064 posts)
20. Oh, so it's ok when it's for OTHER people.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:07 AM
Feb 2016

Got it.

Keep trying to justify the attacks on Hillary's fundraising now that we know Sanders has done the same thing.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
21. No it's APPLES TO ORANGES sport, but you knew that.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:10 AM
Feb 2016

Don't be mad, you'll get over it.

Better luck next time.





Oh and here's some more apples to oranges for ya:


NYC Liberal

(20,064 posts)
24. Right, so when Sanders is fundraising for OTHER members of Congress,
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:15 AM
Feb 2016

those big-dollar dinners are A-OK.

Thanks for clarifying!

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
28. Nope, maybe read it a few more times. If you're an it-getter it'll come to you.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:20 AM
Feb 2016

If not, don't worry, not everyone is.


NYC Liberal

(20,064 posts)
41. The congnitive dissonance must be quite painful.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:41 AM
Feb 2016

That's okay. Give it a few days and I'm sure you'll come around to accepting that your guy just as flawed as the rest of us mere mortals.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
23. Well, when that's all you got, I guess that's all you got. I almost feel sorry for Hillarians
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:12 AM
Feb 2016

if they need to ride that non-issue into the ground repeatedly.

I thought Groundhog day was over?

BainsBane

(52,916 posts)
30. Now raising Wall Street money is a non-issue?
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:22 AM
Feb 2016

I don't suppose you'll apply that across the board? No, I didn't think so.

BainsBane

(52,916 posts)
42. I don't believe I made that accusation
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:45 AM
Feb 2016

What is clear, however, is that his behavior does not comport with his claims. You've been fed a line by a politician, and you don't even care that it isn't true. That seems to be the common reaction.

It's clear that direct fundraising is just as inconsequential as super pac spending, corporate accountability (think gun corporations and Lockheed Martin), drones, single payer (the fact he himself declared it a non starter in 2009). Of course, the issue of the campaign finance system was long ago abandoned in order to present the problem as about Clinton as an individual rather than a systemic issue, even as Bernie benefits from the largest amount of Super Pac and dark money spending of any candidate of either party in this election. But now that's it's been uncovered that he directly solicited funds from representatives of the very banks he rails about, none of you care at all. That makes clear that the issue is NEVER what mattered that it significance is only as an argument to attack Clinton.

For sometime it's been clear to me that the opposition to Clinton has nothing to do with policy. The reaction to this disclosure once again confirms that.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
45. The Clinton campaign is becoming a pretzel factory, spinning out twisted half-baked distortions
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:28 AM
Feb 2016

and nonsensical insinuations that miss the mark a country mile.

What the hell am I suppose to make of these rare gems of disconnected incoherence?

When you say:
1) "direct fundraising is (just as) inconsequential as super pac spending.." OR

2) "the issue of the campaign finance system was long ago abandoned in order to
present the problem as about Clinton .." OR

3) "it's clear to me that the opposition to Clinton has nothing to do with policy".

Last I checked, #1 - Bernie's ginormous direct donor base of millions of voters giving
their hard-earned money with individual contributions ($27 each -- the result of countless
hours of honest political work by quality volunteers, for which there is nothing to be ashamed.
Unlike getting handed $675,000 for a few speeches, when everyone knows that Goldman Sachs
is betting on the come, for future-access & influence, and doing so in broad daylight. When
you can show me where Bernie has tapped spurious sources for $675,000, then we can
talk, but until then why talk apples and oranges ?

#2 Last I checked, the issue of campaign finance is front and center in Bernie's platform,
and not just what he puts on his website, it's a passionate & genuine commitment to do
everything within his power to fight against money corrupting our politics. I have no idea
what you are even talking about on this one, but it's some kind of parallel universe I'd rather
avoid, if possible.

#3 Again, where do you come up with this crap? Bernie's campaign has everything to
do with policies to end a corrupt campaign finance regime, to hold Wall St. accountable --
along with much of corporate America -- to pay their fair share of tax, to curb their criminal
and unethical practices, and to at least pretend to give a rat's ass about the "little people".

Your obsessive suggestions that Bernie supporters care about NOTHING --not about issues, not
about policies, not about anything -- except "tearing down Hillary", are an amazing reflection
of how Hillary herself typically plays the Victim Card, when the chips are down. So that makes
perfect sense, but in a weird way.

NYC Liberal

(20,064 posts)
33. Sanders fans NEVER post anti-Clinton shit more than once.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:25 AM
Feb 2016
Goldman Sachs transcripts?
24 Hours Later: Has Hillary Released the Goldman Sacs Transcripts Yet?
Intercept/L.Fang: Hillary Won’t Say if She’ll Release Transcripts of Goldman Sachs Speeches
Release the transcripts? I dunno.
Apparently Clinton Has Her Own Speech Transcripts.... (link)
Secretary Clinton, It IS Really Easy.. RELEASE THE DAMN TRANSCRIPTS!
Clinton Dodges On Releasing Paid Speech Transcripts
Thank you, CHUCK TODD, for asking Hillary to release the transcripts
Transcripts: I see exactly where this is going:
Can we all agree that Hillary should release the transcripts of her Goldman speech?
Transcripts?
Release the transcripts?
The drumbeat for Hillary to release her transcripts
release the transcripts
Hillary Clinton : "Hell no I won't release my transcripts."
TRANSCRIPTS PLEASE of Goldman Sachs speeches?? HRC "I'll look into it" <--WTF?
Hillary Clinton Laughs When Asked if She Will Release Transcripts of Her Goldman Sachs Speeches
Q. Will you release your Goldman Sachs transcripts? HRC: Ha ha ha!
Hillary Clinton LAUGHS When Asked if She Will RELEASE Transcripts of Her Goldman Sachs Speeches
Hillary Clinton Laughs When Asked if She Will Release Transcripts of Her Goldman Sachs Speeches
My MoveON petition - Hillary, release transcripts of your Wall Street speeches.
Ask that Hillary Clinton release transcripts of her "speeches" to Goldman Sachs, et. al.


or

Rice and Powell did it (classified emails) too!
Since we found a few emails we decided to mark secret or conf, it's okay you set up your own server
Fact Checker: How did ‘top secret’ emails end up on Hillary Clinton’s server?
More Leak Emails: Hillary Clinton Got Massive Commission to Announce Iraq Investment Zone
Bernie Sanders Calls Hillary Clinton's Emails 'A Very Serious Issue'
O’Malley’s kids on millennial issues and the importance of the youth vote (and emails)
Enough About Hillary Clinton’s Damn Emails!
I want to see Hillary's emails
(Perhaps) Overlooked in yesterday's news: State did release 2,000 emails
Anyone know if Bill Clinton's emails were on Hilliary's server and if so would the FBI
Did anyone on msnbc mention the emails last nite? They should! Not to bash Hillary but to....
I am just now watching BBC World News Tonight: Syria, Top Secret Emails.
Hillary Clinton's 'top secret' 22 emails were not classified when they were sent
"This Marks The First Confirmation That Emails From Clinton’s Personal Server Contained Top Secret
"Some emails on Hillary's unsecured home server were Top Secret"
APNewsBreak: US declares 22 Clinton emails 'top secret'
Here's what you need to know about the 7 Clinton emails ...
US declares 22 Clinton emails ‘top secret’
BREAKING: State classifying 7 email chains as "Top Secret" ... Hmmmm... Emails strike again...
State Department to Withhold 22 Hillary Clinton Emails Entirely B/C They are Top Secret
State Department now looking into whether Clinton emails were classified when they were sent
State To Release Some Clinton Emails On Friday; Thousands Still Delayed - TheHill
So this happened to Hillary at the rope line (emails question, sorry if dupe)
McLaughlin Group: McLaughin & Clarence Page - Clinton won't be indicted by Justice Dept over emails.
Salon: Emails expose close ties between Hillary Clinton and accused war criminal Henry Kissinger
State Department seeks 1-month extension on Clinton emails
WSJ: Clinton’s Emails: A Criminal Charge Is Justified
Officials: New Top Secret Clinton Emails 'Innocuous' - info among th worst kept secrets in D.C.- NBC
Some Hillary emails so top secret investigators didn't have access
Clinton's Emails on private server being 'Top Secret' is trending hard on Facebook right now
How The State Department Caved To Hillary Clinton’s Lawyer On Classified Emails
Citizens United files lawsuit for emails from Chelsea Clinton
At least 1,340 Clinton emails now known to contain classified material
Another huge dump of Hillary's emails and still no smoking gun.
2 Clinton emails were 'top secret,' but one is no longer


tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
34. Results of Jury
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:29 AM
Feb 2016

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neverforget

(9,426 posts)
36. I voted to leave it.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:30 AM
Feb 2016

Absolutely no different than the Berniebots that are thrown around here


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Matariki

(18,775 posts)
10. There is a difference between raising money for the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 07:11 PM
Feb 2016

and individual lawmakers courting Super PACs.

But I'm sure you knew that.

I would think that Senators are expected to raise money for their party.

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
14. Does Bernie
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 07:15 PM
Feb 2016

get the money back like Hillary seems to do???

The Alaska Democratic Party has collected more than $40,000 from a political committee tied to the presidential campaign of Hillary Clinton that raises money from billionaire donors, complicating the party’s message as it calls for campaign finance reform.

The party, in a monthly report filed Friday with the Federal Election Commission, said it raised $43,500 from the Hillary Victory Fund, with $10,000 donations from billionaires, including hedge fund manager S. Donald Sussman and Hyatt hotel heir J.B. Pritzker.

In the same report, the Alaska Democratic Party said it transferred an equal amount of money, $43,500, [back] to the Democratic National Committee -- a move that, while legal, helps to effectively “obliterate” federal limits on donations to the national committee, according to one campaign finance expert.

“It just becomes a way to give more to the DNC to support the Clinton campaign,” said Paul S. Ryan, deputy executive director of the Campaign Legal Center, which advocates for campaign finance reform. “It’s effectively Hillary Clinton’s team soliciting Hillary Clinton’s supporters for much bigger checks than they can give to the campaign -- knowing that every penny could be spent on the Clinton campaign.”

A Cuban-born sugar tycoon. A California-based registered foreign agent for the government of Sri Lanka. A Chicago billionaire.

All of them are recent large donors to the Maine Democratic Party via a complex fundraising scheme called the Hillary Victory Fund. The fund exploits recent court decisions and weakened campaign finance laws to maximize political contributions and funnel them to the Democratic National Committee.

[...]

But all the contributions haven’t stayed in Maine, or any of the other state Democratic parties to which Hillary Victory Fund donations have been funneled. Federal Election Commission reports show that the two October and November transfers totaling $39,000 from the Hillary Victory Fund to the Maine Democratic Party each sat for less than 48 hours with the party before the exact same amounts were transferred to the Democratic National Committee, or DNC.

[...]

While individual contributions to the state and national parties are capped, transfers between state and national committees are unlimited. That means that, effectively, donors can skirt contribution limits to the DNC or state parties by giving through joint fundraising committees like the Hillary Victory Fund.


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/1/9/1467700/-This-May-Be-The-Reason-Bernie-s-Not-Fundraising-for-the-State-Democratic-Parties

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