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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 08:08 AM

Media Try to Make Hillary's Telling A Secret Service Agent To "Fuck Off" A Campaign Issue

First, as a Bernie supporter, I will say this: when it comes to the Secret Service, Hillary's got nothing to prove.

Second, since when is the Secret Service's two cents about any presidential candidate relevant at all.

Third, if Secret Service personnel's opinions are so important, then they should have to comment on all the presidential candidates whom they allegedly protect.

Fourth, in case you don't think sexism's no-win double standards have begun, they have.

Let's get this straight.

It is a rule of service that Secret Service are not free to speak to any -- ANY -- member of the president's family -- not male OR FEMALE -- until spoken to. I know because I know someone who was in the Secret Service.

It's perfect common sense. If the president always all day had to speak back when spoken to in passing he couldn't hear himself think. Same for the First Lady. Or the kids. Or the grandma. Or West Wing work teams.

This Secret Service agent was not stupid or forgetful of rules. This was knee-jerk male harassment to breach her space and thoughts. It was like telling any woman nearby to "Smile!" under cover of some polite remark. It was bullshit. I don't blame her for telling the presumptuous asshole to fuck off.

Let's wake the fuck up and decide what trifling means.

Hillary is "difficult"?? A "nightmare"?? The New York Post and social media can fuck off for setting off this trifling to sell papers. If it gets campaign traction it will be a rallying cry to women.

I've never heard criticism of male candidates' past language from twenty years ago, have you? No. Because we don't have to be told that it should never enter into voters' considerations in any presidential race. Until a woman runs.

I'll say it again: anyone hired to protect any world leader should be told to fuck off if they speak out of turn.

Hillary's got nothing to prove. Is she "part of the Establishment" or isn't she?! If so, then the "proof" of "manners," "language style" or "bearing" is as irrelevant for her as it is for any male leader.

I can see now that if the Secret Service has revealed this to some newspaper, Hillary will need an all-woman Secret Service detail if she is to be respected and protected.

Secret Service are hired to be "invisible." They should stay that way.

http://nypost.com/2015/10/02/secret-service-agents-hillary-is-a-nightmare-to-work-with/

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Reply Media Try to Make Hillary's Telling A Secret Service Agent To "Fuck Off" A Campaign Issue (Original post)
ancianita Feb 2016 OP
Name removed Feb 2016 #1
dsc Feb 2016 #2
ancianita Feb 2016 #14
Vinca Feb 2016 #29
dsc Feb 2016 #31
metroins Feb 2016 #6
Empowerer Feb 2016 #9
ancianita Feb 2016 #13
Kalidurga Feb 2016 #3
Bonobo Feb 2016 #4
ancianita Feb 2016 #22
metroins Feb 2016 #5
ancianita Feb 2016 #19
metroins Feb 2016 #20
ancianita Feb 2016 #36
metroins Feb 2016 #41
1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #33
ancianita Feb 2016 #34
Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #7
ancianita Feb 2016 #16
Android3.14 Feb 2016 #8
ancianita Feb 2016 #17
Android3.14 Feb 2016 #24
ancianita Feb 2016 #26
cali Feb 2016 #10
Android3.14 Feb 2016 #12
Empowerer Feb 2016 #11
pipoman Feb 2016 #15
ancianita Feb 2016 #18
pipoman Feb 2016 #21
stonecutter357 Feb 2016 #27
pipoman Feb 2016 #28
dsc Feb 2016 #32
pipoman Feb 2016 #44
treestar Feb 2016 #40
pipoman Feb 2016 #45
jehop61 Feb 2016 #23
ancianita Feb 2016 #25
gwheezie Feb 2016 #30
mattclearing Feb 2016 #35
ancianita Feb 2016 #37
mattclearing Feb 2016 #42
GoneFishin Feb 2016 #38
treestar Feb 2016 #39
mcar Feb 2016 #43
TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #48
Vote2016 Feb 2016 #46
TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #47

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Response to Name removed (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 08:37 AM

2. this would be the FDR who died in the arms of his mistress

or would this be a different FDR.

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Response to dsc (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 09:18 AM

14. Hah...goddess forbid Hillary ever, ever do what FDR got away with.

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Response to dsc (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 09:44 AM

29. OMG - you want to talk "mistresses" when the Clintons are involved?????

I'd think twice about that. LOL.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #29)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 09:49 AM

31. Hillary had mistresses I would love to see a link to that

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Response to Name removed (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 08:47 AM

6. The article is gossip and lies

From the post and fox news.

Some guy is trying to sell books, so he makes stuff up.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 09:12 AM

9. Maybe not FDR, but I'm sure HST said this to his agents - and others - a time or two

Much ado about nothing.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 09:16 AM

13. You're obviously not getting the point. SS would not break the "no speak" rule to FDR.

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 08:42 AM

3. I wouldn't have been that nice.

I would probably smile politely and start looking for pink slips.

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 08:43 AM

4. It's the New York Post. What do you expect?

No one takes them seriously.

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 09:26 AM

22. Sexist bullshit thrives on talk shows and second tier media. Trying to head it off is a good thing.

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 08:46 AM

5. Why give this Fox News piece any exposure?

It's in the NYP but it's written by a fox news writer and it's from 4 months ago.

This kind of rag mag garbage shouldn't be reposted.

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Response to metroins (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 09:25 AM

19. If it was posted before, please explain why media are dragging it forward again. Enough is enough.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #19)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 09:26 AM

20. What media?

The article is from October.

Look at the article.

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Response to metroins (Reply #20)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 10:04 AM

36. It IS old. But it's still circulating. Two Occupys and individuals keep it moving. Ugh.

Sorry if DU considers this old news when it's on Facebook.

The only reason it keeps getting dragged out of the dustbin is sexism that is the father of trifling double standards and smeary ignorance pandering.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #36)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 10:56 AM

41. I consider it old, trash bin news nt

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Response to ancianita (Reply #19)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 09:54 AM

33. Better question ... Damn the media! ...

 

If it was posted before, please explain why DUers are dragging it forward again? Enough is enough.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #33)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 09:57 AM

34. I hear you. Trying only to drag forward my call on its bullshit premises before it gets traction.

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 08:55 AM

7. I'm a Sanders supporter, and this story sounds like grade-A abso-fucking-bullshit.

And you're right. I suspect there are few people in power and under the sorts of pressure that those living and working in the White House experience, who wouldn't be in a shit mood from time to time. Non-story.

And the crap about how she "hated military uniforms and law enforcement" sounds exactly like the bullshit they used to throw out about crack pipes on the white house Christmas tree. SHE HATES TEH TROOPS! derp.




I'm far more concerned about her voting in the Senate for a Neo-Con war, than I am panicked that she may be secretly be some right wing caricature of a soldier-spitting 60s vietnam war protester.

The problem isn't that she secretly longs to burn American Flags, the problem is that she's done things like pander to those who would harm the first Amendment (truly, one of the things the flag represents) to outlaw flag burning.

And so on.




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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 09:20 AM

16. Great Bernie priorities. I'm directing my ire at anyone who goes for bullshit that has to end NOW.

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 09:07 AM

8. "Secret Service are not free to speak..."

 

This is not a credible statement. In order to exercise their duties, a security detail must be able to communicate, and even initiate conversations, with the person they are protecting.

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Response to Android3.14 (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 09:21 AM

17. You damned well know what I mean. There's a preliminary signal and no chit-chat noise.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #17)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 09:27 AM

24. Actually, no. I do not know what you mean

 

If you have any documentary proof which shows the secret service detail must never speak with the person they are protecting, please point it out. Otherwise, it seems pragmatic that an agent be able to interact on a limited social level simply to let the protectee know the presence and whereabouts of the people who are doing the protecting.

I think Hillary is woefully inappropriate to be POTUS, but too much of this OP lacks credibility.

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Response to Android3.14 (Reply #24)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 09:33 AM

26. Reread my response. Presidents always know SS are nearby; they don't have to know where.

Only the SS have to know where the president is. Speaking is rare and only in risky situations.

You're the one who's not credible here.

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 09:13 AM

10. Consider deleting this steaming pile of right wing shit

 

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Response to cali (Reply #10)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 09:16 AM

12. I agree

 

This is uncalled for and we should be better than this.

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 09:14 AM

11. Translation: "Hillary isn't a good girl"

How dare she speak to a man in a manner he thinks is disrespectful.

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 09:19 AM

15. Doesn't seem like much of a stretch

 

To imagine Hillary isn't interested in the thoughts of the little people....

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Response to pipoman (Reply #15)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 09:23 AM

18. THAT's rich. "Little people" is her mindset? Don't add to the trifling mentality of right wing media

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Response to ancianita (Reply #18)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 09:26 AM

21. Yes, it's why she cant beat a 73 year old Jewish socialist...

 

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Response to pipoman (Reply #21)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 09:37 AM

27. she won Iowa.

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Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #27)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 09:41 AM

28. lol

 

.3% isn't a win by anyone's standard

When wins are determined in tenths of percentage points it is a draw.

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Response to pipoman (Reply #28)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 09:51 AM

32. so if a team wins a game 101 to 100 they didn't win

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Response to dsc (Reply #32)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:52 PM

44. A presidential primary isn't a game and doesn't represent a win

 

It represents the very first play....49.6 to 49.3 is a tie

It is a joke for Hillary supporteres to be claiming a win in IA...desperation

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Response to pipoman (Reply #15)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 10:44 AM

40. BS this is a made up thing

You've really convinced yourself of that? It's blatantly false.

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Response to treestar (Reply #40)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:53 PM

45. Actions speak louder...

 

And it has nothing to do with the op nonsense

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 09:27 AM

23. Ha, ha, ha, ha

Looks like the NY Post has fallen for that internet story going around about Hillary's disrespect of the Secret Service. This is a very old story started back in 1993. Guess it's time to dust off all the old Bill and Hillary falsehoods and recirculate them. Posting them to DU just reiterates them. Was this really necessary to diss her here too? Psssst. Did you hear the one about how they were involved in a losing real estate deal in Arkansas?

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Response to jehop61 (Reply #23)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 09:28 AM

25. Thank you. Let's put this media bullshit to rest.

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 09:48 AM

30. Next they'll dig up Vince foster

The secret service has been making fools of themselves recently.

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 09:57 AM

35. We're posting Murdoch gossip now? n/t

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Response to mattclearing (Reply #35)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 10:18 AM

37. "Gossip" depends on the intended audience. To re-frame recurring shit flinging isn't itself gossip.

To re-link the article comes off as doing that, so I'm sorry if I gave that impression of spreading it.

You're saying I should have not reacted so quickly to repeat exposures of this?

If there was already a long convo about this, I'm sorry to clog up the thread.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #37)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:07 AM

42. I agree with your post.

I just hate that we have to discuss this. Even if it's true (and it *seriously* strains credibility), it's nobody's business and completely irrelevant. We already know way more about Hillary Clinton's personal life than we need to to evaluate her qualifications, and the level of scrutiny involved in the presidency is out of control; it would be beyond illegal in any other hiring situation.

I'm also partial to Bernie, but News Corp trots out this kind of inflated quasi-insider bullshit all the time, and I think it's as credible as it is relevant.

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 10:41 AM

38. As a Bernie supporter I don't care about this type of stuff. It smells like National Enquirer grade

bullshit.

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 10:43 AM

39. not credible anyway

just doesn't seem like she's a person who uses that kind of language. Not that it would be unforgivable. Just that she does not seem like the type.

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:12 AM

43. This nonsense made the rounds here in the Fall

It is not news. If a man told the SS to f#ck off, no one would blink an eye.

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Response to mcar (Reply #43)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:14 PM

48. Yep! The SS would just think it was an OK to start hitting the strip clubs again! nt

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:09 PM

46. As fellow Sanders supporter, I mostly agree, but when Texas Gov. Perry said "Adios, Mofo," it was a

 

big issue.

That would seem to undercut the idea that this is sexism. If Obama was caught on a videotape telling a secret service officer to fuck off, do you really think it wouldn't be an issue? I'm not sure gender is a big part of this story.

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:13 PM

47. George McGovern's final nail (1972) telling a jerk, "I've got a secret for you, kiss my ass!" nt

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