2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumMedia Try to Make Hillary's Telling A Secret Service Agent To "Fuck Off" A Campaign Issue
First, as a Bernie supporter, I will say this: when it comes to the Secret Service, Hillary's got nothing to prove.
Second, since when is the Secret Service's two cents about any presidential candidate relevant at all.
Third, if Secret Service personnel's opinions are so important, then they should have to comment on all the presidential candidates whom they allegedly protect.
Fourth, in case you don't think sexism's no-win double standards have begun, they have.
Let's get this straight.
It is a rule of service that Secret Service are not free to speak to any -- ANY -- member of the president's family -- not male OR FEMALE -- until spoken to. I know because I know someone who was in the Secret Service.
It's perfect common sense. If the president always all day had to speak back when spoken to in passing he couldn't hear himself think. Same for the First Lady. Or the kids. Or the grandma. Or West Wing work teams.
This Secret Service agent was not stupid or forgetful of rules. This was knee-jerk male harassment to breach her space and thoughts. It was like telling any woman nearby to "Smile!" under cover of some polite remark. It was bullshit. I don't blame her for telling the presumptuous asshole to fuck off.
Let's wake the fuck up and decide what trifling means.
Hillary is "difficult"?? A "nightmare"?? The New York Post and social media can fuck off for setting off this trifling to sell papers. If it gets campaign traction it will be a rallying cry to women.
I've never heard criticism of male candidates' past language from twenty years ago, have you? No. Because we don't have to be told that it should never enter into voters' considerations in any presidential race. Until a woman runs.
I'll say it again: anyone hired to protect any world leader should be told to fuck off if they speak out of turn.
Hillary's got nothing to prove. Is she "part of the Establishment" or isn't she?! If so, then the "proof" of "manners," "language style" or "bearing" is as irrelevant for her as it is for any male leader.
I can see now that if the Secret Service has revealed this to some newspaper, Hillary will need an all-woman Secret Service detail if she is to be respected and protected.
Secret Service are hired to be "invisible." They should stay that way.
http://nypost.com/2015/10/02/secret-service-agents-hillary-is-a-nightmare-to-work-with/
Response to ancianita (Original post)
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dsc
(52,155 posts)or would this be a different FDR.
ancianita
(36,009 posts)Vinca
(50,248 posts)I'd think twice about that. LOL.
dsc
(52,155 posts)metroins
(2,550 posts)From the post and fox news.
Some guy is trying to sell books, so he makes stuff up.
Empowerer
(3,900 posts)Much ado about nothing.
ancianita
(36,009 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)I would probably smile politely and start looking for pink slips.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)No one takes them seriously.
ancianita
(36,009 posts)metroins
(2,550 posts)It's in the NYP but it's written by a fox news writer and it's from 4 months ago.
This kind of rag mag garbage shouldn't be reposted.
ancianita
(36,009 posts)metroins
(2,550 posts)The article is from October.
Look at the article.
ancianita
(36,009 posts)Sorry if DU considers this old news when it's on Facebook.
The only reason it keeps getting dragged out of the dustbin is sexism that is the father of trifling double standards and smeary ignorance pandering.
metroins
(2,550 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)If it was posted before, please explain why DUers are dragging it forward again? Enough is enough.
ancianita
(36,009 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)And you're right. I suspect there are few people in power and under the sorts of pressure that those living and working in the White House experience, who wouldn't be in a shit mood from time to time. Non-story.
And the crap about how she "hated military uniforms and law enforcement" sounds exactly like the bullshit they used to throw out about crack pipes on the white house Christmas tree. SHE HATES TEH TROOPS! derp.
I'm far more concerned about her voting in the Senate for a Neo-Con war, than I am panicked that she may be secretly be some right wing caricature of a soldier-spitting 60s vietnam war protester.
The problem isn't that she secretly longs to burn American Flags, the problem is that she's done things like pander to those who would harm the first Amendment (truly, one of the things the flag represents) to outlaw flag burning.
And so on.
ancianita
(36,009 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)This is not a credible statement. In order to exercise their duties, a security detail must be able to communicate, and even initiate conversations, with the person they are protecting.
ancianita
(36,009 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)If you have any documentary proof which shows the secret service detail must never speak with the person they are protecting, please point it out. Otherwise, it seems pragmatic that an agent be able to interact on a limited social level simply to let the protectee know the presence and whereabouts of the people who are doing the protecting.
I think Hillary is woefully inappropriate to be POTUS, but too much of this OP lacks credibility.
ancianita
(36,009 posts)Only the SS have to know where the president is. Speaking is rare and only in risky situations.
You're the one who's not credible here.
cali
(114,904 posts)This is uncalled for and we should be better than this.
Empowerer
(3,900 posts)How dare she speak to a man in a manner he thinks is disrespectful.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)To imagine Hillary isn't interested in the thoughts of the little people....
ancianita
(36,009 posts)pipoman
(16,038 posts)stonecutter357
(12,694 posts)pipoman
(16,038 posts).3% isn't a win by anyone's standard
When wins are determined in tenths of percentage points it is a draw.
dsc
(52,155 posts)pipoman
(16,038 posts)It represents the very first play....49.6 to 49.3 is a tie
It is a joke for Hillary supporteres to be claiming a win in IA...desperation
treestar
(82,383 posts)You've really convinced yourself of that? It's blatantly false.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)And it has nothing to do with the op nonsense
jehop61
(1,735 posts)Looks like the NY Post has fallen for that internet story going around about Hillary's disrespect of the Secret Service. This is a very old story started back in 1993. Guess it's time to dust off all the old Bill and Hillary falsehoods and recirculate them. Posting them to DU just reiterates them. Was this really necessary to diss her here too? Psssst. Did you hear the one about how they were involved in a losing real estate deal in Arkansas?
ancianita
(36,009 posts)gwheezie
(3,580 posts)The secret service has been making fools of themselves recently.
mattclearing
(10,091 posts)ancianita
(36,009 posts)To re-link the article comes off as doing that, so I'm sorry if I gave that impression of spreading it.
You're saying I should have not reacted so quickly to repeat exposures of this?
If there was already a long convo about this, I'm sorry to clog up the thread.
mattclearing
(10,091 posts)I just hate that we have to discuss this. Even if it's true (and it *seriously* strains credibility), it's nobody's business and completely irrelevant. We already know way more about Hillary Clinton's personal life than we need to to evaluate her qualifications, and the level of scrutiny involved in the presidency is out of control; it would be beyond illegal in any other hiring situation.
I'm also partial to Bernie, but News Corp trots out this kind of inflated quasi-insider bullshit all the time, and I think it's as credible as it is relevant.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)bullshit.
treestar
(82,383 posts)just doesn't seem like she's a person who uses that kind of language. Not that it would be unforgivable. Just that she does not seem like the type.
mcar
(42,287 posts)It is not news. If a man told the SS to f#ck off, no one would blink an eye.
TheBlackAdder
(28,179 posts)Vote2016
(1,198 posts)big issue.
That would seem to undercut the idea that this is sexism. If Obama was caught on a videotape telling a secret service officer to fuck off, do you really think it wouldn't be an issue? I'm not sure gender is a big part of this story.