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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 10:49 AM

 

Why is Hillary going to Flint? They need things done now, and she's not in office.

So, why is time wasted here, when people have been poisoned?


I'm just wondering why those in office, and can APPROPRIATE funds are not invited??????


I find this strange, and smells like politicking still, with those city limits. What a shame.

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Reply Why is Hillary going to Flint? They need things done now, and she's not in office. (Original post)
ViseGrip Feb 2016 OP
DanTex Feb 2016 #1
2pooped2pop Feb 2016 #10
DanTex Feb 2016 #13
pandr32 Feb 2016 #50
2pooped2pop Feb 2016 #91
pandr32 Feb 2016 #119
Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #59
840high Feb 2016 #99
treestar Feb 2016 #17
restorefreedom Feb 2016 #21
DanTex Feb 2016 #22
restorefreedom Feb 2016 #23
DanTex Feb 2016 #26
restorefreedom Feb 2016 #75
DanTex Feb 2016 #89
restorefreedom Feb 2016 #92
DanTex Feb 2016 #96
restorefreedom Feb 2016 #97
DanTex Feb 2016 #98
restorefreedom Feb 2016 #106
DanTex Feb 2016 #107
restorefreedom Feb 2016 #108
treestar Feb 2016 #113
restorefreedom Feb 2016 #115
Jackie Wilson Said Feb 2016 #28
basselope Feb 2016 #43
DanTex Feb 2016 #48
basselope Feb 2016 #76
DanTex Feb 2016 #77
basselope Feb 2016 #87
DanTex Feb 2016 #88
still_one Feb 2016 #104
TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #2
cali Feb 2016 #3
HereSince1628 Feb 2016 #35
elias49 Feb 2016 #4
Jackie Wilson Said Feb 2016 #30
ejbr Feb 2016 #5
RKP5637 Feb 2016 #44
HereSince1628 Feb 2016 #47
metroins Feb 2016 #6
leftofcool Feb 2016 #7
TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #8
leftofcool Feb 2016 #11
TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #14
2pooped2pop Feb 2016 #12
virtualobserver Feb 2016 #65
MineralMan Feb 2016 #9
notadmblnd Feb 2016 #39
bigwillq Feb 2016 #15
treestar Feb 2016 #16
kath Feb 2016 #93
treestar Feb 2016 #112
NCTraveler Feb 2016 #18
amborin Feb 2016 #19
SMC22307 Feb 2016 #100
procon Feb 2016 #20
blm Feb 2016 #37
NCjack Feb 2016 #24
onecaliberal Feb 2016 #25
Rose Siding Feb 2016 #46
onecaliberal Feb 2016 #61
Rose Siding Feb 2016 #78
Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #27
Empowerer Feb 2016 #41
Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #51
Empowerer Feb 2016 #53
Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #58
Empowerer Feb 2016 #62
Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #72
treestar Feb 2016 #114
Empowerer Feb 2016 #117
Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #29
notadmblnd Feb 2016 #31
Empowerer Feb 2016 #42
notadmblnd Feb 2016 #55
virtualobserver Feb 2016 #84
Number23 Feb 2016 #118
LittleBlue Feb 2016 #45
one_voice Feb 2016 #32
blm Feb 2016 #33
FlatBaroque Feb 2016 #36
blm Feb 2016 #40
asuhornets Feb 2016 #34
TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #70
Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #74
liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #85
Empowerer Feb 2016 #38
Mike Nelson Feb 2016 #49
Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #52
Empowerer Feb 2016 #54
Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #57
Empowerer Feb 2016 #63
Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #68
Empowerer Feb 2016 #71
Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #73
Empowerer Feb 2016 #81
Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #82
Empowerer Feb 2016 #90
Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #101
Mike Nelson Feb 2016 #56
book_worm Feb 2016 #60
intheozone Feb 2016 #64
Blue_Adept Feb 2016 #66
Empowerer Feb 2016 #67
Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #69
oasis Feb 2016 #80
jeff47 Feb 2016 #79
Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #83
intheozone Feb 2016 #109
jeff47 Feb 2016 #110
liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #86
kath Feb 2016 #95
SMC22307 Feb 2016 #105
Dem2 Feb 2016 #111
jillan Feb 2016 #94
Larkspur Feb 2016 #102
PoliticAverse Feb 2016 #103
ViseGrip Feb 2016 #116

Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 10:51 AM

1. To bring more attention to the problem and put political pressure on those in office.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:07 AM

10. More like to bring attention to herself

 

And attempt to co-opt that tragedy into votes for herself.

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Response to 2pooped2pop (Reply #10)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:09 AM

13. Another Rorschach test, I guess. Depends on how you see Hillary overall.

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Response to 2pooped2pop (Reply #10)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:51 PM

50. You clearly are a cynic

And you have little knowledge about how Hillary Clinton has tried to help others for decades. Clean water has been a cause of many for the Clinton Foundation, which has been operating all along without "being in office."

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Response to pandr32 (Reply #50)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:03 PM

91. Or is it just a pay to play pay station?

 

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Response to 2pooped2pop (Reply #91)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 06:05 PM

119. I guess you have been giving some credibility to the debunked claims

...that the book "Clinton Cash" is responsible for. It was written by the same conservative nut case that claimed Disney was turning America gay, and his "Government Accountability Institute" (sounds heavy duty, huh?!!!) is funded by the Koch brothers.

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Response to 2pooped2pop (Reply #10)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:04 PM

59. Call it effluence pedaling?

They're really gonna try to sell some shit this time


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Response to 2pooped2pop (Reply #10)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:34 PM

99. yes

 

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Response to DanTex (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:24 AM

17. Exactly! Seriously, they are wanting the people of Flint to suffer

rather than Hillary get any credit for anything! It is reaching stages of absurdity not thought possible!

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Response to DanTex (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:01 PM

21. personally, i would like to see her put similar pressure

on lawmakers to defeat the tpp. she has not acknowledged that she has lobbied even ONE lawmaker to vote against ratifying tpp. if she wants us to believe her statement that she doesn't like it, she needs to put some actions behind those words.

bernie has called for gov. to resign. glad both dems are trying to help flint.

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Response to restorefreedom (Reply #21)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:02 PM

22. Well, she can only be in one place at one time, and she also has a campaign to run.

I don't care much about TPP, so I'm glad she's not expending effort on that front.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #22)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:05 PM

23. It is a huge issue for many on the left.

And this issue has been around for months and months. Bernie is a full time senator, and he has time to fight tpp and campaign and speak out about flint.

of course, it could be that it is not an important issue to her.

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Response to restorefreedom (Reply #23)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:28 PM

26. I've noticed that, but it isn't to me. I don't know how important an issue it is to her either,

but if it opposing it doesn't rank very high on her agenda, from my perspective that's fine and even a good thing.

But, yeah, a lot of the left disagrees with me on this. I think both sides of the trade debate make too much out of the effects of these agreements.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #26)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:24 PM

75. the tpp seems to be particularly bad

which is why even people like trump oppose it. its another way the corporate interests will control governments and us. mainstream repubs, are of course, fine with it.

as the campaign moves on, i think you will see it take a more prominent place in the discussion.

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Response to restorefreedom (Reply #75)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:55 PM

89. Trump opposing it says virtually nothing to me.

I haven't seen the actual text, I don't even know how much is public or has been leaked. So all I know is what others have said about it, and based on that, my opinion is "meh."

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Response to DanTex (Reply #89)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:04 PM

92. if you have the time, i would recommend further research

i haven't seen it all, but what i have seen is quite appalling. i think it depends on how much one sees large companies to have increasing amounts of legal power regarding trade, and consumers and even sovereign governments to have less power and information.

if you ever look at it, i would be interested in your thougnts.

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Response to restorefreedom (Reply #92)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:09 PM

96. OK. Yeah, admittedly I don't know details. I know of the extra-judicial arbitration stuff, the

generic drug provisions, and some of the other big objections, but mostly my opinion is driven by a more general belief that the effects of trade agreements are overstated, both by proponents and detractors.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #96)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:11 PM

97. i think someone described it as nafta on steroids. guess its in the beholder. nt

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Response to restorefreedom (Reply #97)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:22 PM

98. The thing with NAFTA, it's not clear to me that it had such a big impact.

There was a study showing that something like 800K jobs were lost to NAFTA. OK. Then I'll see a study that says that some huge number of jobs were created by NAFTA. It's really hard to determine whether those losses and gains were caused by NAFTA, or how much NAFTA is actually responsible for.

What's more, the economy was at or near full employment for many years after NAFTA was passed. And the employment level is more of a function of monetary policy than of specific trade agreements. Lowering interest rates will increase it, at the risk of inflation, and vice versa, trade agreement or not.

There's the argument that with NAFTA, we exchanged well-paying blue collar manufacturing jobs for McJobs in the service sector. That's plausible, but then again the deterioration of manufacturing started before that and would have continued even without it. We definitely have a problem with inequality, and creating better-paying jobs for middle and working-class people, but in my mind the argument that trade agreements are a major part of that isn't entirely convincing.

Maybe I'm wrong. I've read Stiglitz and Reich and other people like that who have a decidedly more negative view towards them than I do. Maybe I should read them again.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #98)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:42 PM

106. one thing i am definitely not good at is the economy

so i read the thoughts of others like you have, and because my own economy chops are quite lacking, i rely at least partially on the assessments of others. reich is someone i trust a lot on these issues, always have. i have also looked at some of the language of the tpp. my own conclusion is that whatever net negative previous trade agreements have had or may have had on our jobs, the tpp is orders of magnitude more intense, and carries significant limitations for legal remedies of trade or consumer concerns. like you, i need to study further, but i am confident that in my case anyway, further study will only increase my distrust and concern.

i hope it is discussed more on the campaign. i suspect it will be an issue in the ge, unless repubs make the ge all about isis, which they will try to do.

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Response to restorefreedom (Reply #106)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:45 PM

107. Whether it becomes an issue in the GE depends on who they (and we) nominate.

Trump and Cruz are against TPP, but Rubio voted for TPA.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #107)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:50 PM

108. agreed. i have maintained that it will be trump,

and i still think he has a good chance, but wonderboy rubio is starting to worry me. but thats a whole nuther subject......

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Response to restorefreedom (Reply #23)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:52 PM

113. I actually believe that if she were to do as you request

the TPP would be of no importance whatsoever and she'd be considered heartless for not going out to Flint.

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Response to treestar (Reply #113)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:55 PM

115. its not an either or.

tpp has been on the discussion table for quite a while now and will continue to be. nothing stopping her from working the phones and reaching out. if she has so many congresspeople as endorsements, she should be leveraging that support big time to influence their vote on tpp. i am sure any one of them would take a call from her.

her refusal to even try is quite telling as to her real feelings about tpp.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:30 PM

28. This reminds me of the people who cant ever seem to manage to give Obama

credit for anything.

So if she doesnt go, why didnt she?

etc

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Response to DanTex (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:46 PM

43. Her presence there accomplishes neither of those goals.

 

The problem is WELL KNOWN and her presence doesn't put any political pressure on anyone.

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Response to basselope (Reply #43)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:50 PM

48. The mayor of Flint disagrees with you and has praised Hillary on the topic.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #48)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:25 PM

76. The mayor who endorsed Hillary praised Hillary? WOW.. WHAT A SHOCK!

 

Politics as usual.

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Response to basselope (Reply #76)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:28 PM

77. It would seem to me that the mayor of Flint is in a better position than you to judge whether

Hillary's efforts there are useful. You know, because she's the, uhh, mayor of Flint.

And, yes, she endorsed Hillary. As have hundreds, probably thousands of elected Dems from all parts of the country and at all levels of government. They understand that she gets things done.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #77)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:52 PM

87. Yes, the establishment protects itself.

 

However, the establishment is also pretty lousy at "getting things done", which is why there is still a crisis in Flint.

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Response to basselope (Reply #87)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:53 PM

88. The mayor of Flint is now the "establishment"?

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Response to DanTex (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:56 PM

104. You are right of course Dan, but their hatred of Hillary is so intense

they won't see it

it is damn if Hillary does something or damn if she doesn't

Sounds a lot like the way some behaved toward President Obama, including rants which called President Obama every name one the book, including "POS, f* U", and other expletives that some thought was so great

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 10:51 AM

2. Not sure what the gameplan is. This seems like a McCain "Suspend my campaign" moment. nt

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 10:53 AM

3. It's not wasted. She wields a lot of influence.

 

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Response to cali (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:37 PM

35. I'm not sure how much she carries with Snyder and his gang of privateers

This is one of the most serious public health crises rising from failed government in living memory. There's opportunity that ranges from looking presidential all the way down to looking like she cares about minority kids abused by a state controlled by privateering run amok.

All of which are valid, btw, considering it's the middle of a primary campaign

I suspect the good she can do with her influence mostly lays on two paths... one calling for action from a democratic administration and democrats in Congress. The other is shaming Snyder and his privateers

I'd bet we see both.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 10:53 AM

4. You got it right: politicking.

 

Like the Geico ads: it's what she does.

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Response to elias49 (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:32 PM

30. Politicking is why these people were poisoned, politicking will be how it is fixed.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 10:54 AM

5. Similar to the Clinton Foundation

It is a worthy and excellent cause with fringe benefits. Although this one I find more difficult to criticize as I think anyone running for office would do this to demonstrate their priorities.

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Response to ejbr (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:47 PM

44. Yep, I have no problem with this. It will bring more emphasis, of course a sideline

is a photo op, but it's always that way with things like this.

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Response to ejbr (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:48 PM

47. I think your right, little downside here even

if she pushes a partisan angle against reckless application of free-market ideology.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 10:54 AM

6. It's better than nothing

I would rather have more people go than less.

No reason to chide Hillary going and giving more attention.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 10:54 AM

7. She was asked by the Mayor and she wants to follow up to make sure things get done.

Where is Bernie?

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:01 AM

8. We're talking about someone who promoted fracking worldwide, destroying OK, NY & PA watersheds.

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She's all of a sudden worried about the people of Flint, MI when she was pushing fracking domestically and worldwide.


Her positions on KXL are another issue, as the next president will be able to reverse Obama's stay.


Fracking and Big Oil destroyed people and household in multitudes as of yet determined!


#hypocrisy


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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:08 AM

11. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:21 AM

14. Well put. Just like John McCain suspending his campaign in 2008 when he was complicitory. nt

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:09 AM

12. *this*

 

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:12 PM

65. this is a political stunt......but I think that it will be a comfort to the people of Flint

 

so I am happy that she is doing it.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:03 AM

9. Because the media will follow her there and

cover her protest against inaction. That's why.

She's not in office, but she has the stage right now. My question is why all candidates are not going to Flint.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #9)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:41 PM

39. Her protest against inaction?

It was stated here clearly by her supporters that she had this crisis resolved within a few hours of the debate it was mentioned in? Which is it?

And setting the stage? how many Acts will this little play have? Will the good people of Flint just have to wait for a resolution to their plight until January next year?

Is that what you are saying? Because it sure sounds like it.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:22 AM

15. Photo Op

 



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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:23 AM

16. FFS this is getting ridiculous

It's a free country. Hillary can go where she wants to go.

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Response to treestar (Reply #16)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:06 PM

93. sure she can. She can pander and exploit a tragedy for votes anywhere she wants.

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Response to kath (Reply #93)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:51 PM

112. assuming that is what she is doing

says more about your perspective than about her. It's absurd to take the position she never does anything good. it's like you've bought the right wing spin on her.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:24 AM

18. Clinton has no clout...

 

Is an argument that simply can't be made.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:45 AM

19. Huge media & appeal to NH

to target women and attest to how she really cares for the less fortunate

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Response to amborin (Reply #19)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:42 PM

100. No-nonsense Yankees will see through Clinton's opportunism. (n/t)

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:53 AM

20. You say that like its a bad thing.

Politicians have always used moments of crisis to not only demonstrate their bonavides as concerned public servants, but to stand in solidarity with the victims. Whether it's visiting a town with poisoned water or one with high poverty and unemployment rates, when political leaders assert their not inconsiderable gravitas on behalf of the afflicted, the attendant media attention raises public awareness and the notoriety often forces the politicos who actually do have the power to affect appropriate solutions into action.

Certainly, in this case the blame is heaped on Republicans, so it should not come as a surprize that those unworthies would not make themselves available for a public flogging at the hands of a Democratic leader or face the angry constituents they have failed. As noted, because Clinton is not in office, she has no power or authority to compel state of federal agencies to attend to the people of Flint, but she can use the strength of her well known brand to attract the media which keeps the plight of the residents in the public eye.

The real complaint here is not a lament to the wretched suffering of the residents of Flint, but only a swipe at (all?) the politicians who have always visited disaster areas to commiserate with the downtrodden. Such events are worthwhile, not just because they serve to polish the public image of politicians , but the resulting additional media coverage focuses attention on areas of their concern and highlights their related political policies which may impact or interest many other citizens.

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Response to procon (Reply #20)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:39 PM

37. The post is in line with Gov Snyder's latest whine to media, too. Interesting, eh?

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:24 PM

24. If action in Flynt continues at current rate, the 2016 president

will be installed before any corrective actions begin.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:26 PM

25. Photos. Thas it. Why isn't the Clinton foundation already there doing something?

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #25)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:48 PM

46. Photos will draw more national attention. Or is that just ok when it's this guy?-

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Response to Rose Siding (Reply #46)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:06 PM

61. Lol, is a 20 year old photo all you can dig up.

Children will be affected forever. A photo op isn't what they need. Resources that Clinton foundation had would be helpful.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #61)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:30 PM

78. You're confused. That was a just a few months ago

He drew attention to the issue, had photos taken. Good on him.

Good on her for the same reasons. And at this point, you have no idea if the foundation will be involved. If they acted publicly on it now, some would bellow about that.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:29 PM

27. to politicize

 

The suffering of those people

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #27)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:43 PM

41. And if she DIDN'T go, you'd be bitching about how she doesn't care about "those people"

So, just stop. You guys are looking ridiculous.

Or, better yet, keep it up. You guys are looking ridiculous.

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Response to Empowerer (Reply #41)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:52 PM

51. no I would not

 

But it would be better if she would sink some of her 250K per speech in speaking fees or the Clinton foundations hundreds of millions into replacing pipes, faucets or even delivering big juggs of water to families.

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #51)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:56 PM

53. The Clinton Foundation already "sinks hundreds of millions" into addressing poverty, AIDS,

education, disparities, etc. in the U.S. and around the world.

How much of YOUR money or time have YOU donated to helping the people in Flint?

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Response to Empowerer (Reply #53)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:01 PM

58. have they done a thing for the Flint

 

Water issue?

Yep, the Clinton foundation does good work and the Clinton's have gotten very rich from it also.

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #58)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:10 PM

62. Are you asking this of every foundation, or just the Clinton Foundation?

Because, you DO know, don't you, that there are thousands and thousands and thousands of causes in the world and no charity can possibly respond to every one of them. So I'm not sure why you think the Clinton Foundation is supposed to step in and address this one.

Back to my question - have YOU donated any money or time to this issue? If not, since you think it's so important, maybe you should stop arguing with anonymous people on DU for awhile and go do something for Flint.

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Response to Empowerer (Reply #62)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:19 PM

72. I will answer your question when you do mine

 

One person that has links to a billion dollar foundation and has made hundreds of millions in speaking fees is the one publicizing this issue. She can do something today with those hundreds of millions of dollars. But she would just rather do a photo op.

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Response to Empowerer (Reply #41)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:54 PM

114. Amen.

This is spinning a good thing as bad. How Rovian.

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Response to treestar (Reply #114)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:17 PM

117. But, unlike Rove, they aren't very good at it

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:31 PM

29. I thought she already fixed it?

 

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:34 PM

31. To pander to PoC

Call on Snyder to resign if you want to do something Clinton.

Then we'll see how much influence you have to get things done.

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #31)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:45 PM

42. Because "POC" are gullible children who wouldn't recognize were being pandered to?

You guys have NO idea how you sound when you make these ridiculous posts and then swarm in to cosign.

You know we can read, right?

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Response to Empowerer (Reply #42)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:58 PM

55. You are the one saying POC are gullble. So, you tell me who is the bigot?

I said she was going to pander to POC, I didn't give an opinion as to whether or not I thought POC will buy it.

I did notice you ignored my larger point though. I guess it was more important to comment on your perceived slight than on the larger point I was making which was: If HRC has any real power to get something done, make Snyder resign immediately.

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Response to Empowerer (Reply #42)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:42 PM

84. strawman....what she believes when she attempts to pander vs. how people react...

 

two completely different things

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Response to Empowerer (Reply #42)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:53 PM

118. Hillary's minority endorsements are something like 2000 to 1 to Sanders

She enjoys broad and DEEP minority support.

So of course her drawing attention on this issue is just her "pandering" to the people who already support her. Wonder what the excuse is for the presidential candidates who AREN'T going to Flint? That they are pandering to white people?

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #31)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:48 PM

45. This. Blatant pandering

 

It will probably work too.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:35 PM

32. I dunno...

I would guess that sometimes being 'establishment' has it's advantages.

She knows a lot of people. She might be able to use her 'power' to get some shit done.

One would think that's a good thing not a shame.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:36 PM

33. Funny that you're right in line with what Gov. Snyder and his protectors are now pushing in media.

Interesting.

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Response to blm (Reply #33)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:38 PM

36. Do you people ever get tired of that bullshit equation?

An observation is no less valid because someone else makes the same observation.

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Response to FlatBaroque (Reply #36)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:43 PM

40. Sorry you don't like it when a bullshit post doesn't past the bullshit smell test.

My senses are usually quite dependable. I'll continue to choose my battles, whether FlatB approves or not.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:36 PM

34. Hillary is going to Flint

because the mayor invited her.

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Response to asuhornets (Reply #34)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:17 PM

70. Hillary, just don't tell them you promoted radioactive fracking waste to millions worldwide. nt

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #70)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:22 PM

74. don't you know, fracking

 

Is a good thing for her, not so much for the water or the earthquakes here in Oklahoma though.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #70)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:42 PM

85. +1000000

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:40 PM

38. Maybe she was invited?

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:51 PM

49. She was asked...

...and her past statements have helped focus media attention. Could be the city officials favor her - maybe they did not invite others? Her political adversaries will say the visit is Hillary shamelessly using a tragedy to advance her own political goal. My advice is to keep that as a whisper response - Bernie should say something supporting Flint and refrain from knocking Hillary's visit...

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Response to Mike Nelson (Reply #49)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:55 PM

52. actually Rachel Maddow

 

And MSNBC has brought that attention. Hillary showed up after the fact.

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #52)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:58 PM

54. And Bernie was where?

Give it a rest with the Hillary hates people and Bernie loves us all already.

BOTH candidates are compassionate, committed public servants. Period.

So, please just go somewhere with that "my candidate's heart is bigger than your candidate's" crap.

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Response to Empowerer (Reply #54)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:00 PM

57. doing just as much as she did

 

Talk about it

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #57)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:11 PM

63. Did he beat Rachel Maddow there?

Or did he, too, "show up after the fact?" If it's the latter, why are you worried about Hillary's timing?

And why are you criticizing her for going there now, when Sanders hasn't gone. In fact, isn't he in NY getting ready for his SNL gig? THAT should really help the people of Flint . . .

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Response to Empowerer (Reply #63)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:14 PM

68. did she beat Rachel Maddow in

 

Publicizing it? I think he can do more by helping the Democrats in the US Senate do something about it as that is his job.

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #68)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:18 PM

71. What's he been doing in the Senate to help the Democrats address this problem?

And why, as a U.S. Senator, did Bernie have to wait until Rachel Maddow reported it on her television show. Shouldn't he have been more on top of this than the average person or reporter?

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Response to Empowerer (Reply #71)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:20 PM

73. voting with the Democrats to force aid to Flint

 

In a Senate bill.

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #73)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:38 PM

81. Nice try, but wrong. Sanders didn't lift a finger to help the Dems yesterday - He SKIPPED that vote

Democrats fought like hell to get that bill on the floor, but Sanders didn't come back to Washington to help them.

But he's in good company - Cruz and Rubio didn't show up to vote, either.

Apparently, they were all busy with something more important...


S. 2012 - An original bill to provide for the modernization of the energy policy of the United States, and for other purposes.
Question: On the Cloture Motion

ROLL CALL VOTE

Not Voting - 3
Cruz (R-TX)
Rubio (R-FL)
Sanders (I-VT)

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=114&session=2&vote=00017

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Response to Empowerer (Reply #81)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:40 PM

82. I stand corrected

 

So he has done just as much as she has, talk about it

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #82)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:01 PM

90. And he didn't do what he was SUPPOSED to do - do his job as a Senator and show up to vote

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Response to Empowerer (Reply #90)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:43 PM

101. was his the deciding vote?

 

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #52)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:58 PM

56. Yes...

...I agree with that continuum.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:05 PM

60. The mayor invited her and to highlight a real problem that she doesn't want to fade

away.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:12 PM

64. Just as an FYI, the attitudes shown by Bernie

supporters in this whole discussion is what is completely turning me off on Bernie as a candidate. His supporters' attitudes and demeanor and getting closer and closer to those of Trump supporters all the time. I find it hard to believe his supporters are true democrats.

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Response to intheozone (Reply #64)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:13 PM

66. A lot of it has been feeling cultish for awhile.

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Response to intheozone (Reply #64)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:14 PM

67. I agree

I suspect that a lot of these people are operatives sent her by the Republicans.

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Response to Empowerer (Reply #67)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:15 PM

69. lol

 

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Response to Empowerer (Reply #67)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:37 PM

80. "operatives"? This is all the GOP gets for their money?

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Response to intheozone (Reply #64)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:32 PM

79. That's ok, your account will go dormant again in a few months.

So odd that there's all these old DU accounts with very, very few posts for the time they've been here that are all suddenly posting a lot. And all pro-Clinton, anti-Sanders-supporters. Must be a massive coincidence.

Btw, how, specifically, does a photo op actually replace the water pipes?

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #79)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:41 PM

83. yep, I agree

 

Amazing how they are only active during vacation time.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #79)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:38 PM

109. You have no idea how much time on I spend on this site, just because I don't post

doesn't mean I am not here and keeping up with what is happening. Maybe it's just the new level of discourse that is moving me to enter posts. And, I know who is responsible for the new level of discourse and that it's not helpful to our party.

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Response to intheozone (Reply #109)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:43 PM

110. If you were keeping up with what's happening, you'd see the trend too.

Lots of <1k posters who've been on the site for 8-14 years, and all of them are making anti-Sanders-supporters posts.

So, again, how does Clinton's photo op replace the water pipes?

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Response to intheozone (Reply #64)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:44 PM

86. And Hillary supporters are saints? You are on an internet message board.

Every single website on the internet whether about politics or gardening has people that like to be mean and nasty. It is a form of entertainment for them. It says nothing about Bernie supporters as a whole.

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Response to intheozone (Reply #64)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:08 PM

95. if you base your vote on a candidate's supporters,you really are not thinking on a very mature level

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Response to intheozone (Reply #64)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:15 PM

105. Believe it.

What I find hard to believe are those crocodile tears.

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Response to intheozone (Reply #64)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:47 PM

111. I hate to jump here and do this

But I have to agree with you. Why are they making it so difficult for people who have less fervor in their arguments to be allowed to be part of the Bernie club?

It's so disappointing. I hope they rethink this strategy as Bernie is pretty much not an underdog any longer and leaders don't act this way.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:07 PM

94. It's not like she can accomplish anything. She's not the President, a member of the EPA nor is she

an environmental activist, like Erin Brockovich - who has been involved and exposing what is going on in Flint for over a year (she is also exposing all the other Flints that are occurring at this very moment).
And she isn't bringing more attention to what is happening there because it is already a huge story.

Other than a photo op, what is she hoping to accomplish? Serious question.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:45 PM

102. Obama did not go to Flint when he visited Detroit

 

Hillary going to Flint is politicking pure and simple.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:51 PM

103. Will all political candidates have to visit Flint now?

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #103)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:02 PM

116. Isn't there lead in the water in Ohio too? Aren't they worth more in electoral votes? hmmmm...

 

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