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Mon Feb 8, 2016, 11:19 AM

 

Is supporting wars a feminist position?

It seems like war is about as bad for women as anything on this green earth.

So-- has the US had a military action that Hillary didn't support?

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Reply Is supporting wars a feminist position? (Original post)
Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 OP
onecaliberal Feb 2016 #1
Smarmie Doofus Feb 2016 #2
LWolf Feb 2016 #3
LexVegas Feb 2016 #4
Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #6
LexVegas Feb 2016 #9
Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #10
gyroscope Feb 2016 #5
mythology Feb 2016 #7
procon Feb 2016 #8
Arazi Feb 2016 #11
closeupready Feb 2016 #12
firebrand80 Feb 2016 #13
Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #21
one_voice Feb 2016 #14
Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #16
Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2016 #15
Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #17
Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2016 #18
Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #20
TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #19
Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #22
DrFunkenstein Feb 2016 #24
TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #25
Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #23
earthside Feb 2016 #26

Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Mon Feb 8, 2016, 11:23 AM

1. War is terrible for any living thing.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Mon Feb 8, 2016, 11:24 AM

2. Can't think of one.

 

I feel a little like Santorum re. Rubio.

Or Eisenhower re. candidate Nixon: give me a couple of weeks and i'll think of some important decision he's been involved in as veep.

>>So-- has the US had a military action that Hillary didn't support?>>>>>

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Mon Feb 8, 2016, 11:25 AM

3. No. It is not. nt

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Mon Feb 8, 2016, 11:26 AM

4. Is voting against the Brady Bill a progressive position? nt

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Response to LexVegas (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 8, 2016, 12:28 PM

6. good question-- probably not

 

but IMO it's somewhat more defensible than promoting war.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 8, 2016, 12:48 PM

9. Tell that to inner city youth and the victims of mass shootings. nt

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Response to LexVegas (Reply #9)

Mon Feb 8, 2016, 02:35 PM

10. Is Hillary's vote for the Iraq war defensible?

 

If so, please tell it to the million plus Iraqis who died in the 2003 war

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Mon Feb 8, 2016, 11:36 AM

5. Hillary is a die-hard neocon

 

who never saw a war she didn't like and sings the praises of Henry Kissinger.

if you want to see more war and escalation of violence in the ME and elsewhere vote for Hillary Clinton.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Mon Feb 8, 2016, 12:44 PM

7. It depends on the war

 

Some wars are more just than others.

Doing nothing during the Rwandan genocide led to lots of women suffering unspeakable violence.

It's simplistic to say if we don't get involved things that bad things won't happen. While a lot of people don't want to admit it, our own military is really restrained compared to not only previous super powers, but even our own past.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Mon Feb 8, 2016, 12:48 PM

8. If you had a better understanding of what a "feminist" is, you wouldn't need to ask.

Women are not monolithic in their interests or their choices. I believe this also applies to other women who are not "feminists", as well as -- perhaps -- even some men.

"Feminists" are free to engage in whatever they choose, including wars and the military, and they do it quite successfully. If your critique is simply trying to make an assertion that you oppose war, great! But don't omit chastising the vast majority of men (from both parties) who profess their deep and abiding love affair with all things military and warlike, including all those gun loving men who find novel excuses to justify the ever increasing death toll of innocents.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Mon Feb 8, 2016, 02:38 PM

11. Hillary is drenched in blood. I think she's just truly a war hawk

regardless of her position on women's issues because war is good for Wall St and the MIC

It's a contradiction for sure to be pro-war that basically destroys people's lives

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Mon Feb 8, 2016, 02:40 PM

12. Yes. And I say that

 

in light of the self-purported "feminists" on this website.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Mon Feb 8, 2016, 02:40 PM

13. "Wars" is a vague term

Are we talking Bush-style preemptive adventurism or preventing genocide against a powerless minority?

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Response to firebrand80 (Reply #13)

Mon Feb 8, 2016, 04:04 PM

21. you are right... I was being overly broad

 

Mostly I was thinking about Iraq and Libya, and the Israel bombings of Gaza.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Mon Feb 8, 2016, 02:43 PM

14. Hmmm...

*sigh*

Is supporting wars a HUMANIST position.

It seems like war is about as bad FOR ANY LIVING CREATURE on this green earth.

Yeah, that's better.

You've could have asked that question about Hillary without making it about gender.

I'm not going to discuss my views on wars with someone that boiled it down to body parts.


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Response to one_voice (Reply #14)

Mon Feb 8, 2016, 02:52 PM

16. well, I was framing it in the context of feminism

 

obviously war is bad for everyone.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Mon Feb 8, 2016, 02:49 PM

15. Depends entirely on the war.

It's striking how many people's memories of US military history extend back 15 years but not 20.

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Response to Donald Ian Rankin (Reply #15)

Mon Feb 8, 2016, 02:53 PM

17. why 20 years?

 

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Reply #17)

Mon Feb 8, 2016, 02:54 PM

18. Kosovo.

A war of choice that the US was right to fight, prevented large-scale ethnic cleansing and atrocities, and left the Balkans much healthier and more stable.

One might also say 25 to bring in the Rwandan genocide - an occasion when *not* resorting to military force was clearly the wrong decision.

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Response to Donald Ian Rankin (Reply #18)

Mon Feb 8, 2016, 04:03 PM

20. yes... thanks

 

I know there was some controversy about the Kosovo bombing, but the country seems to have done well since then.

The 2011 Libya bombing was also supposed to prevent ethnic cleansing, but that didn't wok out well at all.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Mon Feb 8, 2016, 03:01 PM

19. Bell Hooks gives the best definition of "feminism" (Not the incorrect Sheryl Sandberg version).

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It has nothing to do with war.


"Feminism is a movement to end sexism, sexist exploitation and oppression."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_hooks


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Check out her book on this subject, "Feminism Is for Everybody: Passionate Politics"



http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/feminism-is-for-everybody-bell-hooks/1111890589


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Now, onto her completely destroying Sheryl Sandberg's "Lean In"...


http://www.thefeministwire.com/2013/10/17973/



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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #19)

Mon Feb 8, 2016, 04:08 PM

22. thanks

 

I was listening to a discussion on a podcast and they were arguing that feminism shouldn't just be about reproductive rights but also about economic justice and being anti-war.

I wouldn't say war has nothing to do with feminism at all, but certainly the connection is somewhat tenuous.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #19)

Mon Feb 8, 2016, 04:14 PM

24. I Disagree With hooks About Feminism

It is true that 2nd wave feminism had a lot on its hands ending sexism. Sexism still exists, let's not pretend otherwise, but feminism has evolved into something larger and much more positive. It is now as much about embracing the power of women as it is about ending the things that hold them back.

As such, we have moved beyond merely trying to break the glass ceiling on the White House. That is a noble cause, and we all want it, but it is far from the highest aim of a movement for respecting and empowering women all over the country and the world.

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Response to DrFunkenstein (Reply #24)

Mon Feb 8, 2016, 04:33 PM

25. What you define was prevalent beginning in the early 1970s.

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When the barriers are removed, there is an equal playing field for all.

Feminism DOES NOT relate to just women, but encompasses complete sexual equality, of all sexes and orientations.


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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Mon Feb 8, 2016, 04:09 PM

23. If you're a despearte Noecom Oligarch...... why yes

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Mon Feb 8, 2016, 04:46 PM

26. Let's ask Henry Kissinger!

Apparently the 'go to guy' for the Clintons on foreign policy.

Reportedly, Bill Clinton used Kissinger as a reference for Hillary again today.
https://twitter.com/Lawrence/status/696758275044302851

Henry Kissinger, Hillary Clinton's Tutor in War and Peace


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