Is supporting wars a feminist position?

[Fast Walker 52]

It seems like war is about as bad for women as anything on this green earth.

So-- has the US had a military action that Hillary didn't support?

[onecaliberal]

1. War is terrible for any living thing.

[Smarmie Doofus]

2. Can't think of one.

I feel a little like Santorum re. Rubio.

Or Eisenhower re. candidate Nixon: give me a couple of weeks and i'll think of some important decision he's been involved in as veep.

>>So-- has the US had a military action that Hillary didn't support?>>>>>

[LWolf]

3. No. It is not. nt

[LexVegas]

4. Is voting against the Brady Bill a progressive position? nt

[Fast Walker 52]

6. good question-- probably not

but IMO it's somewhat more defensible than promoting war.

[LexVegas]

9. Tell that to inner city youth and the victims of mass shootings. nt

[Fast Walker 52]

10. Is Hillary's vote for the Iraq war defensible?

If so, please tell it to the million plus Iraqis who died in the 2003 war

[gyroscope]

5. Hillary is a die-hard neocon

who never saw a war she didn't like and sings the praises of Henry Kissinger.

if you want to see more war and escalation of violence in the ME and elsewhere vote for Hillary Clinton.

[mythology]

7. It depends on the war

Some wars are more just than others.

Doing nothing during the Rwandan genocide led to lots of women suffering unspeakable violence.

It's simplistic to say if we don't get involved things that bad things won't happen. While a lot of people don't want to admit it, our own military is really restrained compared to not only previous super powers, but even our own past.

[procon]

8. If you had a better understanding of what a "feminist" is, you wouldn't need to ask.

Women are not monolithic in their interests or their choices. I believe this also applies to other women who are not "feminists", as well as -- perhaps -- even some men.

"Feminists" are free to engage in whatever they choose, including wars and the military, and they do it quite successfully. If your critique is simply trying to make an assertion that you oppose war, great! But don't omit chastising the vast majority of men (from both parties) who profess their deep and abiding love affair with all things military and warlike, including all those gun loving men who find novel excuses to justify the ever increasing death toll of innocents.

[Arazi]

11. Hillary is drenched in blood. I think she's just truly a war hawk

regardless of her position on women's issues because war is good for Wall St and the MIC

It's a contradiction for sure to be pro-war that basically destroys people's lives

[closeupready]

12. Yes. And I say that

in light of the self-purported "feminists" on this website.

[firebrand80]

13. "Wars" is a vague term

Are we talking Bush-style preemptive adventurism or preventing genocide against a powerless minority?

[Fast Walker 52]

21. you are right... I was being overly broad

Mostly I was thinking about Iraq and Libya, and the Israel bombings of Gaza.

[one_voice]

14. Hmmm...

*sigh*

Is supporting wars a HUMANIST position.

It seems like war is about as bad FOR ANY LIVING CREATURE on this green earth.

Yeah, that's better.

You've could have asked that question about Hillary without making it about gender.

I'm not going to discuss my views on wars with someone that boiled it down to body parts.

[Fast Walker 52]

16. well, I was framing it in the context of feminism

obviously war is bad for everyone.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

15. Depends entirely on the war.

It's striking how many people's memories of US military history extend back 15 years but not 20.

[Fast Walker 52]

17. why 20 years?

[Donald Ian Rankin]

18. Kosovo.

A war of choice that the US was right to fight, prevented large-scale ethnic cleansing and atrocities, and left the Balkans much healthier and more stable.

One might also say 25 to bring in the Rwandan genocide - an occasion when *not* resorting to military force was clearly the wrong decision.

[Fast Walker 52]

20. yes... thanks

I know there was some controversy about the Kosovo bombing, but the country seems to have done well since then.

The 2011 Libya bombing was also supposed to prevent ethnic cleansing, but that didn't wok out well at all.

[TheBlackAdder]

19. Bell Hooks gives the best definition of "feminism" (Not the incorrect Sheryl Sandberg version).

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It has nothing to do with war.


"Feminism is a movement to end sexism, sexist exploitation and oppression."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_hooks


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Check out her book on this subject, "Feminism Is for Everybody: Passionate Politics"



http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/feminism-is-for-everybody-bell-hooks/1111890589


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Now, onto her completely destroying Sheryl Sandberg's "Lean In"...


http://www.thefeministwire.com/2013/10/17973/



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[Fast Walker 52]

22. thanks

I was listening to a discussion on a podcast and they were arguing that feminism shouldn't just be about reproductive rights but also about economic justice and being anti-war.

I wouldn't say war has nothing to do with feminism at all, but certainly the connection is somewhat tenuous.

[DrFunkenstein]

24. I Disagree With hooks About Feminism

It is true that 2nd wave feminism had a lot on its hands ending sexism. Sexism still exists, let's not pretend otherwise, but feminism has evolved into something larger and much more positive. It is now as much about embracing the power of women as it is about ending the things that hold them back.

As such, we have moved beyond merely trying to break the glass ceiling on the White House. That is a noble cause, and we all want it, but it is far from the highest aim of a movement for respecting and empowering women all over the country and the world.

[TheBlackAdder]

25. What you define was prevalent beginning in the early 1970s.

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When the barriers are removed, there is an equal playing field for all.

Feminism DOES NOT relate to just women, but encompasses complete sexual equality, of all sexes and orientations.


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[Ferd Berfel]

23. If you're a despearte Noecom Oligarch...... why yes

[earthside]

26. Let's ask Henry Kissinger!

Apparently the 'go to guy' for the Clintons on foreign policy.

Reportedly, Bill Clinton used Kissinger as a reference for Hillary again today.
https://twitter.com/Lawrence/status/696758275044302851

Henry Kissinger, Hillary Clinton's Tutor in War and Peace