Yes, Bernie is taking over the Party

[RobertEarl]

And, Yes, it will become a much more leftist party which improves upon and strengthens the socialism on which this country thrives.

The party's powers that be, are quite disturbed, and are becoming increasingly upset with the Bernie supporters who have little regard for them and the elites' corrupt ways.

It is a new day for the Democratic Party, and soon to be seen in the results from the New Hampshire break out. The Iowa results, where Bernie came from 50 points down, was quite alarming to the elites and they see what's coming.

They are truly Feeling the Bern!

[ladjf]

1. As a person who has voted only Democrat , I say

we would be MOST fortunate if Bernie were to become the philosophical leader of the Democratic Party.

[ananda]

21. Agree!

Let the Sanders tide surge on!

[jwirr]

67. +1

[bjobotts]

74. Get it straight. It's "Democratic" Socialism

Just saying socialism is not what Bernie is or what we are as a nation. We have the freedom to decide who controls the means of production and in what areas. It's harder to place a communistic innuendo around the term socialism when you put democratic in front of it. Democratic Socialism is the only form of government which both ensures our freedom AND our survival by coming together to make sure the things we all need to survive are not controlled by one or two greedy oligarchs (like water). We decide, We vote, We join together to ensure our tranquility and our general welfare.

[Kip Humphrey]

87. ...opposing Corporate Socialism.

which is the real fight within the Democratic Party - the fight between Corporate Socialism and Democratic Socialism.

[Plucketeer]

85. Indeed!

Let Sanders put the train back on it's proper tracks.

[Trajan]

2. All of the establishment universe is up in arms ...

The print media is POUNDING OUT the anti-Bernie diatribes ... The editorial hit pieces ... The preplanned statements by acolytes who apparently have some debt to pay ....

The whole bunch of them are stepping up their attacks, but, I do believe it's too little and too late ... Nobody is listening to them anyhow ...

Get used to that ...

[Fawke Em]

3. And it's absolutely hilarious watching them pound out these diatribes only to have it, not only NOT

matter, but result in his killing it in fund raising.

They slime him, he gets $3 million for average citizens.

[arcane1]

30. People are starting to notice that the dems and repubs use the same attacks against him n/t

[rhett o rick]

4. It's time to kick the damn Party Elitists out of our party.

[Ferd Berfel]

6. I'll Kick for that Kick

It's time to take the party away from the Koch Bros and Wall Street.

Those assholes can go back to the republicans party and straighten THAT out

[Fuddnik]

27. I'll donate a couple of feet...

And a mule!!!

[rhett o rick]

38. Some heavy kicking there. Thanks. nm

[LondonReign2]

65. It's time to kick out the faux Democrat Turd Wayers

Espousing tired Republican economic policy? Sorry, some tents are too big.

[rhett o rick]

7. well said. nm

[cui bono]

8. The OP, I believe, is a 'copycat' post of a flamebait OP.

I'll leave it at that since I don't even want to repeat the idiocy.

.

[RobertEarl]

11. That other OP did give me the idea

And the thought of it is quite pleasing, eh?

Bernie as the president will take charge of the party as much as one person can. Of course it is the People who will tell the tale in the long run, because the People are the party.

All our best leftist leaders have been ... well ... somehow or another, removed. The lack of leftist leaders has left a vacuum which we imagined Obama was going to fill. The People did respond, did they not?

Truly, now, in Bernie, we have a left leader than we can rally around and get on with the business of creating a more perfect union. Sell not short the idea that we need a leader, just remember that a leader is nothing without a following,

[padfun]

10. That saying that goes...

First they ignore you
then the laugh at you
then they fight you
then you win.

We have just left the laugh part and am now fully in the fight part.

[RobertEarl]

16. A fight it is, then

The great part is that already our numbers are overwhelming. I have never, in my 30 some odd years of activism, seen such an explosion. A pent up demand is being given a way up and out.

Bernie, as a leader and being the Real Deal, is the catalyst that the future has been searching for. It is good to be alive these days and seeing this in real time.

And welcome to DU, padfun.

[Matariki]

13. As long as they don't really and truly own all the voting machines

[RobertEarl]

42. That's a concern

The best way to win that is huge turnout.

They do own the voting machines ... the machines are not publicly owned, they are owned by corporations.

[Beacool]

14. NH?

Please, don't jump the gun too soon. Yes, he will win NH. Let's see where the race is after Super Tuesday. It's too soon for either side to crow.

[zentrum]

18. Win or lose

…Bernie has already transformed the Party. The things he is addressing will not go back in the box and be mollified by incremental lip service half measures.

It's not about personalities. It's about policy and he's put us at the table with a discussion of issues that would never have happened without him.

[bvar22]

73. Bernie has certainly transformed Hillary.

She has "evolved" on a lot of issues since Bernie started closing the gap in the polls.
Somebody who didn't know her would easily mistake her for a Democrat today.
Of course, those are all "promises" that will disappear on Day One if she ever makes it to the Oval Office.

[DaveT]

24. Agreed sincerely

We have a contest. And winning a primary or a caucus is good for one side and bad for the other -- but no one State is going to decide this primary election.


I have to note that I have seen a whole lot of crowing about polls on this site for the last six months, and I know I got laughed at repeatedly when I would try to ask such crowers to get real about polling months before the voting. My very favorite example is one happy soul who offered to bet their life on Hillary's ultimate victory.


Whew. I don't know if I'd invoke the Faust story for my side of anything -- but, hell, it is just politics.



I also concede that a lot of Bernie supporters can be that way, too. Assuming the polling from New Hampshire holds up, my side will get to have the fun of winning something -- and there will probably be some crowing. Not cool in my book.


Of all the ways for us to mix it up about our different candidates, I have to say crowing in either direction is pretty damned dumb.

[RobertEarl]

40. Might you forgive some crowing?

After all, from the very first, we early Bernie supporters were denigrated, told there was no chance, that we were hurting the party... on and on and on.

We did not get here by being shrinking violets. We got here by crowing that Bernie can and would, and that someone like Bernie was just what the doctor ordered for an ill-democracy.

Really, we fought crowing with crowing. And here we are, still, and about to be fledged and begin a wonderful flight.

[bravenak]

32. How many times have those poor chicken been counted?

They are probably very annoyed. They have not even hatched! I wish folks would leave them be.

[elmac]

15. I caught the Bernie bug years ago

and even though 100's of millions of dollars have been spent by the GOP & DNC billionaires there is no known cure. Now everyone has caught the bug, its one of the largest outbreaks in history. It will take a political revolution for it to run its course.

[zentrum]

17. Going left will

…grow the party and help us win elections more than we have in years.


People want this. The population is always more progressive than the WH or Congress in poll after poll.

Go Bernie!

[Cary]

19. Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

[Lazy Daisy]

20. It doesn't stop with Bernie

Bernie’s Army Is Running for Congress

https://newrepublic.com/article/129047/bernies-army-running-congress

Something we need to keep an eye on. Something to nurture and feed.

[RobertEarl]

44. This has to happen

The senate most likely will be D in 2017, and then we work to get the house. I think if we win 30 house seats we'll have a majority?

I sure will be telling my elected officials they should hitch their wagon to the Berning star!

[jwirr]

68. Thank you for another name on my donor list.

[Rebkeh]

22. Funny, I thought the party was supposed to respond to us

What do I know?

[RobertEarl]

45. We are the party

Our problem is the heads of the party, like Bernie says, respond to those with money. Time that changes, eh?

[Rebkeh]

54. Yes, it's a change long overdue

[RoccoR5955]

23. The pebbles are moving

The avalanche is soon to start.

[SmittynMo]

25. Everything will change if Bernie wins

Everything. And all for the good of humanity, and the middle and lower class. Forever!!!

[RKP5637]

26. TPTB in the democratic party are obsolete and behind the times. The democratic party needs a

swift kick in the ass and Bernie's doing it! Go Bernie!!!

[guillaumeb]

28. Does this mean that the voters might have a real choice? eom

[WillyT]

29. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!

[bravenak]

31. I love this new show!

Better than comedy chnl. This is so fun, guys.
I wish snacks came out of my ipad. I could read all day this funny stuff. Love it!

[Quayblue]

64. Jury Results

On Tue Feb 9, 2016, 10:39 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

I love this new show!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1177713

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

No comments added by alerter

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Feb 9, 2016, 10:46 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Whadda troll
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Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I see you guys are out to target bravenak once again. There is absolutely nothing offensive about this post.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: snide remark, not a rule violation.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: are you kidding...?

[bravenak]

78. Sigh.

This is remarkable. Or not. Normal now.

[Quayblue]

88. "It's gon be alright"

[bravenak]

89. Thanks

[Lucinda]

76. I may just follow you around all evening while we wait for results

I'm not feeling too well today, and you are cracking me up!

[bravenak]

77. You make me wanna post today like yesterday.

I love helping people feel better.
And we can watch folks rant about Hillary like they were married to her and she left them and took the house.

[Lucinda]

80. I feel bad for the ones clearly misinformed, and I "get" the ones that have genuine policy

differences with her and are pissed off about it, so as a rule I avoid the more pot stirring posts, but I'm getting a little cranky that GDP becomes Invective Underground on steroids on primary day. If I can't find information, I'll settle for humor.

[bravenak]

81. I'm gonna just go ahead and steal that phrase, if you don't mind?

Invective...

Yeah. Me too. I am usually cracking up when I post because if not: TEARS OF SHAME.
Is this how we act now? Damn the internet!!! We shoulda killed it when we had the chance.

[Lucinda]

82. What slays me is that we are probably turning voters off. DU, though not the center of the universe,

turns up as the first result on Google when I search for Democratic message boards. So any new voters, looking to find people to talk to about the election come here. And this is what they get.... Invective is the proper word for sure. Steal away!

[bravenak]

83. Thats what I was thinking too

People probably look and say oh hell no. No.

[Uncle Joe]

33. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, RobertEarl.

[humbled_opinion]

34. Bernie's message resonates

with the 99 percent....What's not to love, he certainly doesn't give paid speeches while yucking it up with Goldman Sachs like some Democratic politicians that we know.....

[H2O Man]

35. I hope so!

Recommended.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

36. Hopefully, there are enough people (including Independents) who see the light......

He is absolutely right with what he says.

[johnlucas]

37. It's about time. Bernie's gonna do what Obama was SUPPOSED to do

And by that primarily I mean to turn the Democratic Party into something WORTH supporting.
Instead of supporting just because the "opposition" is that much worse.

The Nixon/Reagan trajectory is over.
It's time for a new paradigm.

On FIRE for BERNIE!!
John Lucas

[cantbeserious]

39. This Revolt Has Been Building For Years - The DWS, DNC, DLC, Third-Way Has Only Themselves To Blame

eom

[RobertEarl]

46. Indeed

It does seem they have been directing the Party to the right of center and trying hard to keep the left subdued. And that is why Bernie is such a shock; they thought they had it all under control.

[Trajan]

52. Now what happens to that elite cadre ...

When their prized, favored candidate bites the dust ?

Who chooses party leadership?

[Todays_Illusion]

41. The elites ought to be thankful for the ballot instad of the old pitch style revolution. nt

[Iggy Knorr]

43. K&R

The Turd Way is that way, out the door to the right. Just follow the red arrow on the Big H.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

47. It's really sad that things like jailing bankers for actual crimes has become "Lefty".

[RobertEarl]

48. Like Bernie says

Kids are in jail for a marijuana cigarette but bankers who have ruined others' lives walk around free.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

49. Meanwhile Hillary blames places that are already out of business.

[RobertEarl]

50. And home buyers who just wanted a piece of the dream

[AgingAmerican]

51. Or undoing economically disastrous right wing tax policy

Sad how much fascism has crept into our party

[Lorien]

53. It's becoming the party the it was before Reaganomics sucked

the lifeblood out of America and the death of the Fairness Doctrine gave rise to far rightwing 24/7 propaganda. it's been a long time coming!

[Helen Borg]

55. Bernie wants the juicy infrastructure!

[Myrina]

56. I think it would be more accurate to say that PEOPLE are taking over the party

... rather than any one individual.

[Impedimentus]

57. Only a political revolution will ...

change the Democratic Party and the nation. It's now or never. Eight years of a Republican-Lite or Republicans in the White House will destroy the country and children' futures.

[ChiciB1]

58. Adding My K&R... n/t

[NurseJackie]

59. He shoots! He SCORES!! Wait, wha, huh? Oopf!

[secondwind]

60. great OP.. you get a heart :-)

[RobertEarl]

61. Sweet! Thanks for all the hearts, folks

[randr]

62. In reality the Clintons are the last of the BlueDog Dems

a distinction lost on many who do not know what that means.

[Pharaoh]

63. what about South Carolina?

doesn't look too promising for Bernie.

[hueymahl]

66. South Carolina is a very conservative state

Most the Dems there are basically conservative. That said, I expect Bernie to outperform what the (very limited) polling shows.

[TryLogic]

69. Check out this important article

http://benjaminstudebaker.com/2016/02/05/why-bernie-vs-hillary-matters-more-than-people-think/

[Ivan Kaputski]

70. Oh come on now ...just because we kiss oligarchy ass for money so we can stay in power

doesn't mean we don't care about the little people. Just remember if you don't vote for us then you'll end up with Rump. Why does everyone hate the DLC Third Way? They're Democrats too aren't they?

[DownriverDem]

71. So Much for Bernie Not Taking the Money

Personally I think it's dumb to not take the money until the game is changed. I post this because it's lame to attack Hillary for taking the money.

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/02/01/bernie-sanders-super-pac-money-democratic-rivals.html

[DFW]

72. It is definitely time to change that game!

Our current system makes soliciting money an integral part of winning and holding office. That is just perverse, and I don't care how S.O.P or entrenched it is. We need publicly financed elections, period. Sanders' refusal to form a Super-PAC is laudable, and a shining example, but it also means that my email box is cluttered with requests from his campaign (as well as others) for donations. It shouldn't be that way.

[gordyfl]

75. Ralph Nader Was Interviewed On Tavis Smiley Feb 1, 2016

Here are some excerpts...

Nader: "I think the most important thing coming out of this is Bernie Sanders’s average contribution is between $27 and $30 per person, and he’s raising enormously more money than he or anyone else expected, including Hillary Clinton. She didn’t expect that. So that’s a very refreshing thing. He doesn’t go to fat cat parties in Beverly Hills or Park Avenue. He refuses."

Nader: "I think they’re looking for someone who’s on their side, someone who is going to challenge Wall Street’s control over Washington, someone who’s going to challenge these job-destroying trade agreements, someone who is going to change the tax system so they don’t pay more than they have to and the big rich and global corporations pay more."

Tavis: "What do you make of the fact that this year there seems to have been an accident, quite frankly, a collision on the establishment highway and that these outsiders are having the kind of impact they’re having this year?"

Nader: "I think that probably surprised everyone. I don’t think anybody thought Jeb Bush was going to be so low in the polls and maybe on his way out in another couple of weeks. But it does reflect the lack of respect that the voters have for those people who are running our government or running it into the ground or running it on behalf of Wall Street against Main Street.

You know, there’s a kind of grapevine that operates through millions of peoples’ minds and sometimes it coalesces into a kind of rejection of traditional politics. But the problem is, the outliers are pretty traditional too, except for the clean, honest, progressive campaign of Bernie Sanders..."

Tavis: "What should Bernie Sanders say as he continues to get asked whether or not he can win, whether or not his agenda is so liberal, so progressive, so socialist, that the American public won’t go for it?"

Nader: "Nonsense. Just poll it. He’ll get a lot of left-right support for a lot of things like full Medicare for all, like living wage. Conservative workers at Wal-Mart don’t want a living wage?

But when you hear Hillary Clinton talk about her experience and expertise in foreign affairs, that means more war, more empire. She’s a hawk.

When you hear her talk about how she’s going to be pragmatic at home, that’s another code word for allowing the concentration of power to continue in the hands of the few, Wall Street over Washington, the same Wall Street that paid her $5,000 a minute to give speeches in closed-door conventions around the country, which she has refused to disclose.

What did she say to these closed-door conventions noted briefly in The New York Times a while back? What did she say in closed-door where there was no press and they were paying her $5,000 a minute? Why doesn’t the press ask that question? Disclose it, Hillary."

(Well, Chuck Todd finally asked that question.)

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/tavissmiley/interviews/consumer-advocate-author-ralph-nader/

[PatrynXX]

79. more to the point the people are taking the Democratic Party back to it's roots

and away from the Conservatives

[dpatbrown]

84. I've waited along time for this!

Many, many of us here, have waited along time for an election like this. Sanders is NOT the better of two evils. He's the real deal.

[RobertEarl]

86. I've waited a long time too

And the early returns from NH show Bernie with a 28% lead.

I can't wait until I finally have the chance to actually vote for Bernie.

I have a paper ballot here and you can be sure I will sign it.