2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI Listened to EVERY Second Of "Hillary's Show" With Rachel One On One Tonight...
Can you imagine...? How could we be so blessed?
The Corporate Media pulling out all of the stops before the nation's first primary vote tomorrow!
Practically the ENTIRE Rachel Maddow Show was spent either discussing, showcasing or... interviewing Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on the eve of the New Hampshire Democratic Presidential Primary Election? It was in a word... UNBELIEVABLE!
I listened to every word... From Hillary aligning herself in step with Bill in bashing Bernie's campaign for being "dishonest..." To now further explicating her continued obfuscation concerning the release of her Goldman Sachs/Wall Street Speaking Transcripts... the material control of which is solely in her hands... Hillary's blathering on about Hedge Funds attacking her with their money when she just last week was scheduled to attend fundraisers with Mitt Romney's former employer Bain Capitol and Blackstone Finance, two well known Wall Street Hedge Funds... We know that .. "You're Tough and battle scarred" and with good reason...![]()
We heard Hillary's denial of any knowledge of a possible "shake up" in her campaign organization...Then finally to her headlong dive into the Flint lead contamination TRAGEDY where she demonstrated how mis-informed she remains on the physiology of LEAD poisoning in children as while softly attempting to take credit politically for whatever assistance was already underway... she talked about how the harm to the children affected might be mitigated... Lead poisoning and the resultant BRAIN DAMAGE associated with exposure to lead Madam Secretary is permanent and irreversible! That is why there have been ongoing efforts to remove lead paint from old homes since the 1960's!
The proof will be in the tally tomorrow... I will trust that the solid New Hampshire electorate will not stand for any shenanigans in the tally. A Nation's future may rest in their hands.

ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Tweety is a permanent resident of that space
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)He is the sole reason why MSNBC is still around. His show propped up the cable channel during the hard times. He is a msnbc institution. I hope you realize that.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Tweety on George Bush in May 2003, praising him for the Iraq War:
MATTHEWS: We're proud of our president. Americans love having a guy as president, a guy who has a little swagger, who's physical, who's not a complicated guy like Bill Clinton or even like ormer Democratic presidential candidates Dukakis or Mondale, all those guys, McGovern. They want a guy who's president. Women like a guy who's president. Check it out. The women like this war. I think we like having a hero as our president. It's simple. We're not like the Brits. We don't want an indoor prime minister type, or the Danes or the Dutch or the Italians, or a Putin. Can you imagine Putin getting elected here? We want a guy as president.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)That's a regular -fest
morningfog
(18,115 posts)CentralMass
(16,078 posts)In 2008 ( I supported Hillary ) Matthews rabidly attacked her on a constant basis. It seemed to be an obsession. I haven't watched him since. I find him to be a major jack@$$.
http://mediamatters.org/research/2008/01/18/matthews-suggested-his-clinton-comment-was-an-a/142229
Peregrine Took
(7,567 posts)stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)and I'm not assigning actual numbers to that when I say half. What I mean is, Bernie and Hillary supporters. If I apply actual numbers to that, he appeals 90% of his audience. The 10% that watch him are like those Dems that watch Morning Joe.
jillan
(39,451 posts)What Rachel did tonite was an infomercial.
She let Hillary lash out at Bernie and did not even have a Bernie surrogate on to respond to those attacks.
That's not journalism. That's pure crap. The nite before NH no less.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)that she was not going to do it but I had to watch it ALL just to be certain before I composed THIS post. I wonder IF Bernie WINS tonight IF she'll be as effusive about Bernie or will have Hillary on...AGAIN!!!!!?
jillan
(39,451 posts)ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)supporter of Bernie Sanders. I NEVER believed it for one minute! Rachel was once a REAL Progressive/Liberal but that was before her show became the show that had the highest ratings on MSNBC. Since then, and especially in the past 1 1/2 years she slowing begun to lean to the right. At first I thought it was because of MSNBC was getting rid of many of the hosts that were more Progressive and she decided it was best not to make waves. She began covering different topics, not so much in the Chris Hayes way who went down to Ferguson and other places where upheaval was occurring. She was good at pointing to environmental issues and other types of issues like gun violence.
But now, even though she's had Bernie on I began hearing small comments here an there that made me feel she supported Hillary. Now, it's pretty much out in the open. I did keep watching MSNBC even after they started to slowing dump hosts that I really liked. I began watching on and off then, but when they dumped Ed Schultz that was it for me! I simply don't watch them anymore. I've found that FSTV, RT and LINK are more fair and balanced. RT has really surprised me with some of it's programs. They're quite good and Watching The Hawks, Jessie Ventura, Lee Camp and more who report the news much more fairly. And these stations also cover news from around the world and a lot of economic news.
The there's Chris Matthews... He's been biased against Bernie from day one IMO. At best MSNBC is DLC/Third Way if not even more conservative than that with some of their shows. Melissa Harris Perry is quite blatantly a Hillary supporter and MSNBC is quite happy to be The Hillary Channel right now. After the election, depending on who wins I doubt they'll ever be anything more the RIGHT LEANING.
Too bad, but as with what we've seen with almost all of our elected officials who campaigned as Progressives, they've just turned into "MORE OF THE SAME" and nothing more than DINOs for the most part! When people like Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi, Barney Frank, Howard Dean, John Lewis and even Sherrod Brown have gotten on the Anti-Bernie bandwagon I've felt completely betrayed! These are the people I always thought would fight for us no matter what, but for me it seems our very own Democrats have decided to FIGHT against what "we the people" have wanted for such a long time!
This Democratic Party has basically decided it doesn't need to fight for us. They've become almost as bad as the other side when it comes to lining their pockets. I'm fed up and have NEVER IN MY LIFE seen such a concerted effort to blatantly GO AFTER a person who has ALWAYS caucused with them since he became a member of Congress.
AND, Bernie Sanders has a very long and accomplished record of getting legislation passed since he's been there. AND, has worked extremely well with Repubs many, many times. I may be wrong, but I think he's had more bills passed than any other person in Congress. At the very least his record is quite extensive. TOO MANY PEOPLE just don't want this information to be covered and talked about through almost any MSM outlet!
AND NOW, Bloomberg is thinking he wants to do what he can to stop his momentum! It's sickening at the very least, but mostly it's CORRUPT!
politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)She just thinks she's smarter than Hillary, and can trip her up.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Borrowed Link from Pinebox Post...
BACKLASH: Flint Residents ACCUSE Hillary Clinton Of Using Them To Get Political Scout Badge
http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/02/07/backlash-flint-residents-accuse-hillary-clinton-of-using-them-to-get-political-scout-badge/
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)Why would anyone throw away half of their own audience like that?
Bye bye to her and her show.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Be sure to keep a space under the bus for Bernie - whether he loses or wins he will inevitably trigger that terminal, all-or-nothing disappointment reaction.
Seriously, did none of those rejects ever do anything at all to earn a little twinge of lasting respect, or even gratitude? Don't answer me. Just maybe ask yourselves?
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)By the corporate greed at the expense of the people can get their asses under the bus, and I would be happy to put it in gear and drive it over them all. They are killing people. It must stop.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)100K in the entire nation. It's not a normal viewpoint.
My question was about all those other, nice people who believe in Democratic values whom you would be happy to smash into bloody protoplasm. Like Rachel. Obama. And so on. Not even a whiff of respect?
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)I'm out here where I see the death and destruction.
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)Thank you for saying it.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)My heart breaks daily for the destruction of families, the loss of hope, and the absence of any joy in living that I witness.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Increase Social Security without any new taxes... Free Health Care for All!!1 The guy is over the top... He thinks that we are all stupid!
asuhornets
(2,427 posts)Go HILLARY!!!
AzDar
(14,023 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)You need a bus with some serious acceleration abilities to be able to run down all those hell-bound, boy-crazy millennial women and fit them underneath.
Tweety is easy prey, by comparison.
valerief
(53,235 posts)MSNBC once she leaves the joint. More likely, however, she's a dutiful officer.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Maddow, of all people, knew to contradict Hillary on that. If she did not, that speaks volumes.
TriplD
(176 posts)...when Hillary takes credit for drawing the nation's attention to Flint.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Mark Halperin and John Heiliman have a new show on MSNBC sponsored by Bloomberg News called "With All Due Respect". It is entertaining, and filled with tidbits of campaign news.
Nothing at all like the other MSNBC shows.
While I have reasons to dislike Halperin, he seems to be non-partisan here. I like it.
earthside
(6,960 posts)I'm boycotting 'Hard Ball'.
I don't trust Chuck Toad.
And I usually have other things to do when Rachel is on anyway ... but I'm not happy about what I'm hearing.
Mark Halperin and John Heiliman do seem to be more balanced and provide news and analysis that is pretty level-headed. Also "With All Due Respect" hasn't thus far gone in for the hyperventilating over candidate interviews like the rest of the MSNBC shows.
k8conant
(3,037 posts)enough is enough.
All those women up there in the snow for her and why does the right fight her????
Well, maybe if the media hadn't been treating Hillary as "crowned" as nominee then the right wouldn't have been looking only at her as an opponent.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)onecaliberal
(36,594 posts)It's really to bad because we all know Hillary was fine with denying Rachel the right to marry.
On edit: I did an OP saying Rachel was a sellout a few weeks ago and was verbally attacked here.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)I'm finished with MSNBC.
onecaliberal
(36,594 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Amazing... Not a shred of "dirt" on Bernie, so the Clinton TEAM has to make it up... Hillary inferred that Bernie was taking CA$H from Wall Street... Conflating Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee contributions with Wall Street Hush Money...
Make no mistake... Hillary is NOT being paid to do ANYTHING other than to MAINTAIN THE STATUS QUO for Wall Street/ The Oligarchy et al... Because They benefit from the current paradigm and want to keep yhe gravy train going.. for themselves!
840high
(17,196 posts)zeemike
(18,998 posts)They do what management wants done or lose their cushy well paid job.
They are not journalist, and these shows are not journalism.
onecaliberal
(36,594 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)They Are commanded by their Masters to do what they do nefariously in return for their CHECK! They WILL be replaced if they fail to comply!
morningfog
(18,115 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)


Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)that the corporate media has removed/tainted progressive media.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Something about hellfire for not supporting Hillary.....
Eh? You don't think Rachel was warned?
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)of wh press sec?
She'd be good at it, no doubt -- but so much for journalism
Beacool
(30,355 posts)I don't think any Hillary supporter thinks that she'll win NH. It's on to the next state. No one can win them all.
NowSam
(1,252 posts)and it is sad to think that Ordinarily unbiased clear thinkers like Rachel would be compromised when the stakes are so high.
I find it impossible to believe any of the m$m. It's all theatre in my opinion.
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)and that is tragic. I remember listening to her on AirAmerica radio after 9/11. Her show was aired at something like 5:00 AM and it was like a breath of fresh air, she really helped me keep my sanity. She is a brilliant woman and used to be an authentic journalist. They must be paying her huge sums of money to sell out like she did last night.
She has become compromised by her own wish to see a woman president. Maybe that is clouding her usually unbiased and respectable status as reliable commentator.
Maybe also she is getting lots of heat from corporate network and doesn't want to lose her job.
I like her and know that she will really behind Bernie when he prevails.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)Rachel did a one-on -one with HRH right before Iowa too. Their shilling is really doing a lot of good, eh?
A tie in IOWA and a YOOOOOOGE win for Bernie tomorrow in NH!
NEWSFLASH to Corrupt Corporate Owned MSNBC....Bernie supporters get REAL NEWS ONLINE and ELSEWHERE!
They've been rendered impotent. OBSOLETE. They just haven't realized it yet.
They will after tomorrow! They pulled out all the stops all week long and did nothing to change the outcome of tomorrow.
Again, CorporatistNation, thank you for watching. That had to be excruciating!
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511177488
But then during the O'Donnell show the next hour, Rachael participated in a 4-way
discussion with O'Donnell, David Corn, and some other guy (whose name I don't recall)
and there she was 1) more respectful of Bernie's campaign, and had several moments
of truthfulness about some of the odd & unattractive aspects of Hillary's campaign.
She also claimed, in an aside, that she had invited Bernie to be on her show as well, but
that his schedule did not allow it, or some such. So all this needs to be factored in as well.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)The whole expletive deleted... efffing show WAS HILLARY CLINTON INCORPORATED... TOTAL BS FROM MS MADDOW! TOTAL BS!
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)but if so, you'd think Bernie might call her out on it, or maybe not cuz he's such a nice guy.
but I could imagine Rachael saying "well i just had to run more of the Clinton interview than
i had planned, to fill in for where Bernie was going to be" ..
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)The Business of seeing the end of the Clinton Incorporated "Money Train!"
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)dishonest...?
What does Hillary do... She turns right around and pumps out more untruths about Bernie taking CA$H from Wall Street...
I mean Hillary can prevaricate with a perfectly ...STRAIGHT FACE... about anyone or anything!
The problem is ... that she thinks that she is better at lying to people than she really is. She is quite easy to catch, especially if one has even a rudimentary command of the facts. Her downfall is her own fault!
Sandrs Campaign Response to Clinton's "Fibbing."
https://berniesanders.com/press-release/sanders-campaign-statement-on-clinton-falsehoods/
quickesst
(6,309 posts)... are on an all-out mission to pile up as many excuses as they can for when he loses to Hillary Clinton. I think they will throw every excuse out there to justify their anger when it will be just a simple matter of the voters belief that she is the better candidate.
mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)That was an opinion flowing out of the tv earlier.
Why? Well, here's a hint...
Just list all the advantages she started out with. The media in the tank. Obama. Internationally known name recognition. Millions upon millions of dollars of support from business and special interest groups. Bill CLinton. All the unions. All the feminists. All the LGBT groups. Practically every elected official in the country with a D after his or her name. All of everything. The DLC headed by a crony. Debates set up to give her cover without having to say much about anything.
I'd go on but my typing fingers are beginning to hurt.
Her opponents? A clown car full of ridiculous GOPuke clowns, including another Bush for Christs sake. Four loser Dems including Jim Webb, Martin O'Malley, Lincoln Chaffee (Who?) and some balding septuagenarian grouchy old Jew originally from Brooklyn who now is somehow a sitting Independent Senator from Vermont who claims the mantle of democratic socialist, like we were living in Denmark or something.
Faced with a life and death contest like that would you lose even a minute of sleep about your chances?
The current situation is an unparalleled disaster in political terms. Even Tweetie and the Toad can see it for the train wreck its becoming. HRC most likely will manage to eke out a victory over the course of the next months, and she does have all those SuperDelegates to count on as well, but this campaign of hers can be doing nothing but reassure whichever GOPuke moron she ends up facing in November.
I think the operative term is "hubris."
quickesst
(6,309 posts)... but the primary itself. That's an impressive list of assets Hillary has, but Bernie Sanders has one asset that will counter all of that in New Hampshire, and Vermont, who will, of course, do the neighborly thing. I think Hillary will do very well once the primary moves out of snow country, and into the warmer climes of the south.
Iggy Knorr
(247 posts)Does she still make cocktails?
sgmcenroe
(30 posts)I usually rely on Rachel to give a balanced account so this disappoints me greatly. Chris Matthews has been absolutely horrible the past week with his daily rants essentially calling Bernie a Commie. I am very disappointed in the whole crew.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)they tried town halls before with all the candidates in attendance and it didn't work out.
So let's just have a special where it's all Hillary, all the time!
scottie55
(1,400 posts)He was very fair to Bernie's associate.
I have not seen a problem with Chris Hayes yet regarding Bernie.
Tweedy, is actually working for the Clinton Campaign is appears.
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)Just the other day. He failed to preface stating her name with that lying pos Hillary and Bernie supporters thought he was giving her a pass.
Go figure. Once everyone is under the bus Bernie will have smooth sailing.
amborin
(16,631 posts)and outrageously biased for Rachel to shill for Hillary the night before the primary
Uncle Joe
(61,119 posts)Thanks for the thread, CorporatistNation.
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)emsimon33
(3,128 posts)olddots
(10,237 posts)you only get to stay on TV if you play the game .The game is rigged by and for the big media owners and the largest stock holders .Being fired by MSNBC is the best thing that can happen to anyone there that has a soul .
islandmkl
(5,275 posts)m$nbc is not on life-support, but it is also not really in the race...
WE all watch all the cable news religiously...the rest of the country, as far as m$nbc...not so much...
Matthews is a non-starter in the average American household...
the whole M$M brigade can go screw themselves....they won't see the torches and pitchforks until they feel the barb in their asses and their roofs on fire...
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)They cannot be even handed. They cannot present anything in an unbiased manner. Boycott their ass!
politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)The only reason she interviews Hillary is because she thinks she can trip Hillary up. I for the life of me don't know why Clinton continues to grant her interviews. Rachal is only out to try and do damage to Hillary. She is a Bernie Supporter all the way.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)that she held JEB.
On her January 11th show she said this about JEB's net favorable rating being Negative One.
http://www.msnbc.com/transcripts/rachel-maddow-show/2016-01-11
^snip^
The line up at the top that`s vaguely going down that`s his favorable
numbers. The line at the bottom that is going up, that`s his unfavorable
numbers. And you will notice as we get close to now that they have
recently crossed, which means his unfavorables are higher than his
favorables, and that is a fatal disease for politicians.
And, you know, you can argue that any one thing, any one contextual dynamic
might explain what`s wrong with Jeb Bush this year. But that is stark.
Look at the overall trajectory of those two numbers over this period of
months that he`s been running. That is what $50 million of spending has
bought Jeb Bush.
While Hillary's numbers are more like this:
Matariki
(18,775 posts)where no one could 'boo' her