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Charles Blow: Stop Bernie-splaining to Black Voters (Original Post) bravenak Feb 2016 OP
Kick and rec! zappaman Feb 2016 #1
KNR Lucinda Feb 2016 #2
I'm sick of walking on egg shells over this Armstead Feb 2016 #3
You have never actually walked on those eggshells bravenak Feb 2016 #6
No I never have...and you've never walked on mine. Armstead Feb 2016 #7
True bravenak Feb 2016 #8
I NEED the people who matter in in my personal life. That's it. Armstead Feb 2016 #9
He needs black votes bravenak Feb 2016 #11
Read the post not just the headline Armstead Feb 2016 #14
The divisions are already there bravenak Feb 2016 #16
Whatever....No single campaign is going to undo 300 years of racism Armstead Feb 2016 #17
Of course not but to pretend they do not exist is futile bravenak Feb 2016 #19
Never pretended that. Armstead Feb 2016 #20
You think political campaigns are not the place for that bravenak Feb 2016 #21
For specific issues yes... Armstead Feb 2016 #26
No need for passive aggressivism bravenak Feb 2016 #27
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #96
Hahahaha! bravenak Feb 2016 #99
I am going to break my rule about posting in GDP....sure looks like you found someone randys1 Feb 2016 #139
They always say it to me bravenak Feb 2016 #145
And this is not the first time that sentiment has been expressed. eom 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #173
That post was sheer crap. I'm glad they're gone Arazi Feb 2016 #183
Yep. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2016 #12
This is America, bravenak. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2016 #10
His lack of energy on my issues is my issue bravenak Feb 2016 #13
Could you define his lack of energy WRT your issues? R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2016 #15
His fix for racism always involves money bravenak Feb 2016 #18
His site policy is pretty clear on a number of issues. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2016 #24
Goodnight bravenak Feb 2016 #25
Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #55
Vote against your own best interests then AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #54
You have no idea what my best interests are bravenak Feb 2016 #56
Yes I do AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #63
Heh bravenak Feb 2016 #64
Amazing isn't it? nt SunSeeker Feb 2016 #70
Mind blowing really bravenak Feb 2016 #73
I don't know how you stay calm dealing with these people. I really don't Number23 Feb 2016 #142
Experience bravenak Feb 2016 #144
Like I just said in another post, I'm sure it's a coincidence of the first order that the folks Number23 Feb 2016 #146
At first it pissed me off. bravenak Feb 2016 #148
Correction ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #174
Oh yeah, I forgot about that! Msanthrope was the one that used to ride his ass like a big wheel Number23 Feb 2016 #180
Please post video lovemydog Feb 2016 #91
Hey! MrWendel Feb 2016 #129
The King of Splain. Listen and obey, for he knows all, sees all. He is a river unto his people. betsuni Feb 2016 #132
King of Splain!!!! Number23 Feb 2016 #143
OK, I'm curious gollygee Feb 2016 #168
Don't take the bait, Bravenak UtahLib Feb 2016 #67
I won't, thank you. bravenak Feb 2016 #71
Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #103
Hi. bravenak Feb 2016 #105
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #111
Okay bravenak Feb 2016 #113
Number23 called it ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #175
See that shit? bravenak Feb 2016 #184
No need to walk on eggshells. lovemydog Feb 2016 #77
You kinda say what you want you know that right?! uponit7771 Feb 2016 #170
"Don't you fucking tell me what I should do!" Bonobo Feb 2016 #4
Exactly bravenak Feb 2016 #5
stop using the term "'splaining" period. It is a seriously offensive term and bbgrunt Feb 2016 #22
No bravenak Feb 2016 #23
I will risk the hide, I need a break gwheezie Feb 2016 #29
Lolololol! bravenak Feb 2016 #31
Heh betsuni Feb 2016 #49
I just had pop coming out my nose seriously rbrnmw Feb 2016 #79
roflmao lovemydog Feb 2016 #86
This... MrWendel Feb 2016 #130
You are wonderful, gwheezie! brer cat Feb 2016 #136
Where is Redd Foxx when we need him...we meaning us white folks...I think we need randys1 Feb 2016 #140
Oh dear that really is funny gwheezie Feb 2016 #28
the irony of it all Chitown Kev Feb 2016 #30
Kev, nice to read you gwheezie Feb 2016 #32
I love it bravenak Feb 2016 #33
Kev, did you catch the Baldwin quote in Blow's piece? I know you are a huge Baldwin fan Number23 Feb 2016 #39
Yes Chitown Kev Feb 2016 #94
Just stop. I am a fierce sanders supporter and your comment is completely inappropriate JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #34
Agreed. "splaining" has turned into such cliche idiocy that its now impotent when making an point. phleshdef Feb 2016 #42
The rain in Spain falls mainly lovemydog Feb 2016 #83
Oh L O R D randys1 Feb 2016 #141
Stop doing it and people will stop talking about it. Nt gollygee Feb 2016 #169
K&R betsuni Feb 2016 #35
Hey! bravenak Feb 2016 #36
You have so many hearts, I have heart envy. betsuni Feb 2016 #44
Damn. I have BBQ envy bravenak Feb 2016 #47
Chicken wings are my favorite animal. betsuni Feb 2016 #53
Blow has been nailing some asses to the wall lately Number23 Feb 2016 #37
That was the thing that hooked me too bravenak Feb 2016 #41
Reminds me of lovemydog Feb 2016 #59
OK. Whatever your race or ethnicity, look at all the candidates and make up your own mind. PatrickforO Feb 2016 #38
Good idea bravenak Feb 2016 #40
Yes! lovemydog Feb 2016 #87
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2016 #43
Try commenting on the subject of the OP rather than attacking and baiting the poster. nt UtahLib Feb 2016 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2016 #46
We both know that discussion is not your objective. UtahLib Feb 2016 #52
I have no influence bravenak Feb 2016 #48
But you do have an extraordinary amount of hearts. gwheezie Feb 2016 #50
I hope that's not it. Would be a shame bravenak Feb 2016 #51
+ a million. I just saw a bravenak OP with only 235 posts in it! Number23 Feb 2016 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2016 #72
Rec's have only mattered here among those who troll for them Number23 Feb 2016 #75
My lack of recs is annoying bravenak Feb 2016 #108
This white woman recced too! mcar Feb 2016 #152
Strange fruit? lovemydog Feb 2016 #92
999 too many... Bobbie Jo Feb 2016 #172
Are you in charge here? mcar Feb 2016 #150
No its not uponit7771 Feb 2016 #171
Charles Blow must have been reading DU. Beacool Feb 2016 #57
Oh. bravenak Feb 2016 #58
I'm not even AA and I cringe at the condescension of some posters. Beacool Feb 2016 #66
He hopes not... bravenak Feb 2016 #68
Excellent opinion piece. lovemydog Feb 2016 #61
Blow is my guy. bravenak Feb 2016 #62
Yeah. I first heard about him lovemydog Feb 2016 #65
Is that like Boomersplaining to Millennials? Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #69
The racial divide makes it uglier bravenak Feb 2016 #74
I believe Roger Daltrey had something to say on the matter Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #76
Who? bravenak Feb 2016 #80
LOL SunSeeker Feb 2016 #82
I guess I better look it up bravenak Feb 2016 #84
Perfectly executed. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #85
LOL, well played! Chitown Kev Feb 2016 #98
Boomer splained the super bowl pretty well. lovemydog Feb 2016 #97
Thanks. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #100
DEAR SEN.SANDERS SUPPORTERS JUST PT HER ON IGNORE PLZ Truprogressive85 Feb 2016 #78
You should take that advice yrself bravenak Feb 2016 #88
And talk to the hand. lovemydog Feb 2016 #101
Actually... MrWendel Feb 2016 #131
Welcome to DU. nt msanthrope Feb 2016 #134
Charles Blow nails it, again. SunSeeker Feb 2016 #81
Hillary's craptastically uninspiring campaign is hardly some guarantee against a GOP president. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #89
I am quite inspired by Hillary. nt SunSeeker Feb 2016 #93
And I'm not. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #95
Reality is setting in bravenak Feb 2016 #90
I call bullshit. You have a reason against Bernie and this ain't it. nt thereismore Feb 2016 #102
I do not like anybody really bravenak Feb 2016 #104
So the reason you don't give him an inch is what? That people like him? thereismore Feb 2016 #107
Nobody gives me an inch why should he get one? bravenak Feb 2016 #110
It apparently offends some when it's suggested lovemydog Feb 2016 #109
Its funny bravenak Feb 2016 #114
Indeed. lovemydog Feb 2016 #116
Like I'm a demon bravenak Feb 2016 #117
'Do not speak with that poster!' lovemydog Feb 2016 #123
Thats it exactly! bravenak Feb 2016 #127
Please 'splain. lovemydog Feb 2016 #106
The level of intellectual laziness represented in the phrase "Bernie-splain" Bonobo Feb 2016 #112
But for some reason it gets people to listen for a sec bravenak Feb 2016 #115
It's catchy! So is this: Bonobo Feb 2016 #118
Ok. I love that and you for that bravenak Feb 2016 #120
I hope the song is stuck in your head now. nt Bonobo Feb 2016 #122
My husbands too! I'm not in the alone! He must suffer too. bravenak Feb 2016 #125
Ha ha ha! Bonobo Feb 2016 #126
He still says that make me a sammich thingy bravenak Feb 2016 #128
I don't think it's a waste of time Bonobo. lovemydog Feb 2016 #119
Maybe it is. Bonobo Feb 2016 #121
No worries. lovemydog Feb 2016 #124
Charles blows. mhatrw Feb 2016 #133
Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #138
Jury response to Betsuni's post #138 JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2016 #155
Too bad bravenak Feb 2016 #158
I thought it was funny! lol nt m-lekktor Feb 2016 #164
Me too bravenak Feb 2016 #165
Too late to the party to comment on Betsuni's post (#138) - Now its hidden, The Polack MSgt Feb 2016 #176
Strangely enough a Bernie fan chastised... The Polack MSgt Feb 2016 #178
That was excellent. K&R n/t femmedem Feb 2016 #135
Brilliant! (Kick & Rec) NurseJackie Feb 2016 #137
He must have read DU. PragmaticLiberal Feb 2016 #147
An excellent read mcar Feb 2016 #149
I don't need anything "splained" to me jham123 Feb 2016 #151
This is not about Hillary bravenak Feb 2016 #159
as far as recs DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #153
Yeah. You pretty much have it right bravenak Feb 2016 #157
I say it is something worse DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #163
I won't try to "Bernie-splain" to anyone, but ... JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2016 #154
We do not owe an explanation bravenak Feb 2016 #160
It was a question. I never claimed anyone owed anything to anyone. JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2016 #166
Oh. Well it has been explained in the AA group many times bravenak Feb 2016 #167
Lol, "Bernie-Splaining" vdogg Feb 2016 #156
KNR ericson00 Feb 2016 #161
Hey!!!! bravenak Feb 2016 #162
"Bernie-splaining"... SidDithers Feb 2016 #177
K&R workinclasszero Feb 2016 #179
Good editorial Gothmog Feb 2016 #181
Instead of memes I need facts malletgirl02 Feb 2016 #182
We dont feel like explaining Hillary bravenak Feb 2016 #185
 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
3. I'm sick of walking on egg shells over this
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 01:23 AM
Feb 2016

Politics is about advocacy for candidates. Doesn't matter if black or white. Male or female. Someone gets too pushy or seems condescending, don't listen or just walk away. Doesn't matter if black or white, male or female.

It's that damn simple.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
6. You have never actually walked on those eggshells
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 01:30 AM
Feb 2016

You say whatever you want no matter what anybody thinks. Thats fine. Do what you do but there are risks of offending large groups if you say too much.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
7. No I never have...and you've never walked on mine.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 01:32 AM
Feb 2016

It is getting impossible not to offend large groups if one says anything about anything.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
9. I NEED the people who matter in in my personal life. That's it.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 01:40 AM
Feb 2016

As for politics Bernie needs all the votes he can get.

But according to you and Camp Clinton, there is no way he is getting the AA vote so it's irrelevant.

I prefer to think that people are individuals who think for themselves, and not merely as demographic units. But hey, if we want to intensify divisions and encourage people to be estranged from anyone outside of their own demographic category, there's nuthin I can do about it.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
16. The divisions are already there
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 01:46 AM
Feb 2016

What we are being asked to do is to not discuss them just love bernie

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
17. Whatever....No single campaign is going to undo 300 years of racism
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 01:49 AM
Feb 2016

Not Hillary, not Bernie. They both do what they can on the issues they can.

The rest is outside the realm of simple politics.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
20. Never pretended that.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:06 AM
Feb 2016

Personally I think there ought to be more frank and comprehensive discussions about race nationally (and in groups and individuals), that go beyond platitudes and into the uncomfortable realms beyond "You'll just never understand."

But political campaigns are not designed for that kind of deep soul searching, beyond the issues that have to do with policies and platforms.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
26. For specific issues yes...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:29 AM
Feb 2016

But the OP is not addressing specific issues. In fact it seems top want to avoid them and giving anotehr variation of the Clinton "Let's not trying anything because the GOP alreadyu has us beat."

Black folks don’t want to be “betrayed by too much hoping,” and Sanders’s proposals, as good as they sound, can also sound too good to be true. There is a whiff of fancifulness.


Sorry but I believe we and outr candidates ought to all have bold goals for a better life for everyone, even if the odds at any given time are stacked. Giving up on that is one reason the GOP and their repressive and regressive policies keeps winning.

If that just makes me a silly white guy, so be it.
 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
27. No need for passive aggressivism
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:31 AM
Feb 2016

I want my issues front and center just like you want yours. Mine get subordinated.

Response to bravenak (Reply #11)

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
99. Hahahaha!
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:29 AM
Feb 2016
96. You overestimate how much people need you
View profile
And one day it'll come back to bite you in the ass. One day whites will just get fed up of the demands and extortion, and you'll be left alone to fend for yourselves. Then what will you do? Whites are your most important and powerful ally, and without us you're nothing.

And remember, if Hillary somehow wins the nomination, it'll be you who needs our vote. So far nobody has been able to give a good reason why anybody should go out and vote for Hillary rather than let a Republican in. You can't win a general election without us, so keep in that in mind while you're insulting people.


Hahahahahaha! You are hilarious!

randys1

(16,286 posts)
139. I am going to break my rule about posting in GDP....sure looks like you found someone
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:36 PM
Feb 2016

who is willing to say out loud what I think is mumbled a lot in a lot of places.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
10. This is America, bravenak.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 01:41 AM
Feb 2016

We have a constitutional right to be offended.

This is not to say that Clinton or Sanders is the better choice for Democrats this season, but simply that the way some of Sanders’s supporters have talked down to black voters does him a disservice, and makes clear their insensitivity to the cultural and experiential political knowledge that has accrued to the black electorate.


To be honest, there's nothing that any candidate's supporters can say to me that will turn me on or off to their candidate.

Goodnight.
 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
13. His lack of energy on my issues is my issue
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 01:43 AM
Feb 2016

It shows in his support what matters most to him by who is drawn to his message.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
18. His fix for racism always involves money
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 01:53 AM
Feb 2016

His fix for mike brown and sandra bland sounded strange because it involved free college and jobs but he was enrolled and she was a graduate of a university.
His plans sound like he took them from BLM
He did not have blacks on staff until Seattle or right after netroots. Noticeng that we are absent and not reoresented is my number one gauge on how they will run things.
He discusses pre school and college but has nothing for black children insubstandard schools for those 13 years between so there is not plan to help our children recive the same education as white or wealthier children
Fails to understand how deeply racism affects the ability of blacks to even reciece foodstamps
Lacks a focus on institutional racism affirmative action type programs.
Is stuck back in a time I never lived in
Thinks that we will come to him that is the most infuriating part. No. Some will. Most will not.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
24. His site policy is pretty clear on a number of issues.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:26 AM
Feb 2016
https://berniesanders.com/issues/racial-justice/

It's a long read, and I won't say that it addresses all issues, but it dies lay out some soecifics WRT LEOs.

Read it if you like...or not.

And this is just me, but I'd wager that he may understand racial prejudice from the perspective of being Jewish and having a good portion of his family wiped out in the Holocuast.

He understands it from that perspective I'd imagine, but that doesn't mean that he can truly walk in Michale Brown's or Sandra Bland's shoes any more than I could, or Hillary Clinton could.

He can empathize, though, and act on it politically.

I can't say that he has all the answers either. From your perspective he may have non, but to me he us the better candidate.

One of my issues, amongst many, WRT Hillary Clinton is that she took campaign contributions from the prision industry and only vowed to give it to charity after pressure from rights groups.

I could go on a tit 4 tat but it is our choice who we feel will help the country and our individual intrests the most.

...and my phone is about to die.

Goodnight.

Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #24)

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
54. Vote against your own best interests then
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:29 AM
Feb 2016

If you can't get over slights from random internet people.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
142. I don't know how you stay calm dealing with these people. I really don't
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:34 PM
Feb 2016

They go out of their way to be as nasty and ignorant as they possibly can to you.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
146. Like I just said in another post, I'm sure it's a coincidence of the first order that the folks
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:56 PM
Feb 2016

racing around here branding you a "troll" at every conceivable opportunity were the biggest Manny Goldstein fans here.

The guy who absolutely DELIGHTED in antagonizing black people and women. He'd say something offensive, get called out, apologize-- and then do the same shit two days later. You have chosen to needle these folks and their privileged and often clueless perceptions of race in this country. And you continue to do this LONG after most of the minority voices here have left out of complete disgust or don't bother with these folks at all, feeling that they are not worth the effort to continue to bang our heads against the wall.

It's so utterly fascinating which "voice" folks have decided is needed/wanted around here. Absolutely fascinating.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
148. At first it pissed me off.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 05:47 PM
Feb 2016

Now? This is the biggest joke in the world.
And him a republican through reagan. Hmm. I think there is a connection.


I rather enjoy their indignation at the fact that blacks are not interested. The absolute refusal to listen to one word we say has finally cause them significant issues. Glory be.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
174. Correction ...
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 02:27 PM
Feb 2016
He'd say something offensive, get called out, apologize--then, deny he said what he apologized for, and then do the same shit two days later.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
180. Oh yeah, I forgot about that! Msanthrope was the one that used to ride his ass like a big wheel
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 04:16 PM
Feb 2016

every time he'd try that crap. And that's when his ever present and ever itchy alert finger would suddenly fly into action.

Good times, man. Good times.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
168. OK, I'm curious
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:44 AM
Feb 2016

And I don't have any hides if a discussion leads to something like that.

What is in bravenak's best interests, and why? And why do you think you are a greater authority of that than she is?

UtahLib

(3,179 posts)
67. Don't take the bait, Bravenak
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:49 AM
Feb 2016

We've seen this baiting and harassing crap directed toward you and other AA members many times in the past. His assertion that he can read your mind or divine your motives is disturbing.

Response to bravenak (Reply #18)

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
105. Hi.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:33 AM
Feb 2016
GinoD
103. Not everything revolves around blacks
View profile
And if you think we're going to let their selfishness sabotage Bernie's revolution, you've got another thing coming.

Blacks are a minority, and if they blow this for everyone, there will be hell to pay. Race relations will be at an all-time low.


Okay

Response to bravenak (Reply #105)

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
113. Okay
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:38 AM
Feb 2016
thing

When Bernie wins the nomination, don't come crawling back and pretending that you were on his side all along. The answer to that will be "Not good enough bravenak". The same goes for your fellow Republicans/haters on www.hillarysupporters.com. They will never be welcome on DU again, and please tell them that. We will never forgive or forget their betrayal. You should all have backed Bernie from the start.
Click here to purchase valentine hearts!


I will expect no quarter!!
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
175. Number23 called it ...
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 02:33 PM
Feb 2016

if Sanders loses (the primary or the G/E), it will be Black folks fault!

But I never, for the life of me, would have expected the "there will be hell to pay. Race relations will be at an all-time low." threat, being posted by a progressive.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
77. No need to walk on eggshells.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:00 AM
Feb 2016

Treat another adult as something less than equal and you get blowback. Advocacy is about speaking up for your subject. If you fail to be persuasive, you're not advocating well. And you're probably doing your cause more harm than good.


Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
4. "Don't you fucking tell me what I should do!"
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 01:26 AM
Feb 2016

I can understand that feeling. Sometimes when you're voicing an opinion or making a suggestion, you have to be careful not to elicit that kind of emotion.

bbgrunt

(5,281 posts)
22. stop using the term "'splaining" period. It is a seriously offensive term and
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:16 AM
Feb 2016

does exactly to others what you claim it does to you.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
140. Where is Redd Foxx when we need him...we meaning us white folks...I think we need
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:40 PM
Feb 2016

a friendly, funny Black guy to make us feel good about ourselves about now.


Oh, by the way, I am a HUGE fan of yours, always have been, but now after that

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
28. Oh dear that really is funny
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:38 AM
Feb 2016

You are offended by 'splaining? This is going to be a very difficult election season for you.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
39. Kev, did you catch the Baldwin quote in Blow's piece? I know you are a huge Baldwin fan
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:53 AM
Feb 2016

And blow picks an incredible quote from him. Especially loved the bit about the "Negro liberals."

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
94. Yes
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:27 AM
Feb 2016

Baldwin wrote that in 1948 before he moved to Paris and the black vote then (as now) was very much discussed.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
34. Just stop. I am a fierce sanders supporter and your comment is completely inappropriate
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:47 AM
Feb 2016

I have problems with PC culture myself but you would do well to take a few hints from them.

Oh and I alerted on a post off yours further down thread because it was vile.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
42. Agreed. "splaining" has turned into such cliche idiocy that its now impotent when making an point.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:56 AM
Feb 2016

betsuni

(25,449 posts)
44. You have so many hearts, I have heart envy.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:58 AM
Feb 2016

I just ate seven barbecued chicken wings and three spareribs.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
37. Blow has been nailing some asses to the wall lately
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:52 AM
Feb 2016
Tucked among all this Bernie-splaining by some supporters, it appears to me, is a not-so-subtle, not-so-innocuous savior syndrome and paternalistic patronage that I find so grossly offensive that it boggles the mind that such language should emanate from the mouths — or keyboards — of supposed progressives.


Kicked and FUCKING rec'd

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
59. Reminds me of
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:37 AM
Feb 2016

'white man's burden' immortalized by the famous Rudyard Kipling poem. First published in 1899. It saddens me that it's still prevalent among 'supposed' progressives.

PatrickforO

(14,569 posts)
38. OK. Whatever your race or ethnicity, look at all the candidates and make up your own mind.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:53 AM
Feb 2016

That's what I did.

Response to bravenak (Original post)

Response to UtahLib (Reply #45)

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
51. I hope that's not it. Would be a shame
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:11 AM
Feb 2016

I wish I could care enough to ask what the problem is. I must lack something.

Response to Number23 (Reply #60)

Number23

(24,544 posts)
75. Rec's have only mattered here among those who troll for them
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:55 AM
Feb 2016

There are posters who have openly admitted they deliberately post offensive and idiotic stuff for the recs. Which not only doesn't say great things about the people who've said that, it probably doesn't say good things about the rec'ing crews here either.

And funny enough, that 30 number probably correlates to the number of black posters that still bother to post here and a good number of our allies. So she's doing pretty good.

mcar

(42,295 posts)
152. This white woman recced too!
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 06:00 PM
Feb 2016

I love bravenak's OPs. I find them informative and well sourced. And the ensuing melee can be enjoyable.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
57. Charles Blow must have been reading DU.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:34 AM
Feb 2016

"This support for Clinton, particular among African-American voters, is for some perplexing and for others irritating.

I cannot tell you the number of people who have commented to me on social media that they don’t understand this support. “Don’t black folks understand that Bernie best represents their interests?” the argument generally goes. But from there, it can lead to a comparison between Sanders and the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.; to an assertion that Sanders is the Barack Obama that we really wanted and needed; to an exasperated “black people are voting against their interests” stance.

If only black people knew more, understood better, where the candidates stood — now and over their lifetimes — they would make a better choice, the right choice. The level of condescension in these comments is staggering."

This pretty much sums it up.

"Black folks don’t want to be “betrayed by too much hoping,” and Sanders’s proposals, as good as they sound, can also sound too good to be true. There is a whiff of fancifulness.

For instance, Sanders says that his agenda will require a Congress-flipping political revolution of like-minded voters, but so far, that revolution has yet to materialize. Just as in Iowa, in New Hampshire there were more voters — or caucus goers — making choices in the Republican contest than in the Democratic one. That, so far, sounds more like a Republican revolution."

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
58. Oh.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:36 AM
Feb 2016

They also get him on Twitter constantly. Follow him a watch them splain to Mr Blow day after day.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
66. I'm not even AA and I cringe at the condescension of some posters.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:48 AM
Feb 2016

They can't seem to understand why people won't jump in the Sanders' bandwagon. I like Blow's description of Sanders' proposals as being "fanciful". That's an apt description.

Tonight I saw Sanders on the Colbert show. Colbert questioned him on how he was going to accomplish his agenda and Sanders' response was his trite call for an uprising. It's just insane that a person running for president has a very ambitious agenda that is contingent on a "political revolution". Colbert quoted Jack Kennedy and asked Sanders if the revolution could turn violent. Sanders responded that he hoped not.

This is one crazy election year........

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
65. Yeah. I first heard about him
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:47 AM
Feb 2016

from a waitress friend who told me she wants to write in his style. She emailed him and he wrote her a really nice email back offering to assist her. I thought that was really cool.

She's mainly interested in what he was doing in his earlier pieces, where he'd analyze things by graphs & charts. She said it's a great way of imparting information.

This piece is outstanding.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
69. Is that like Boomersplaining to Millennials?
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:51 AM
Feb 2016

Anyway, 'splaining is too much strain, since I sprained my 'splainer while training strangers to stain model trains.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
81. Charles Blow nails it, again.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:07 AM
Feb 2016
Black folks don’t want to be “betrayed by too much hoping,” and Sanders’s proposals, as good as they sound, can also sound too good to be true. There is a whiff of fancifulness.

For instance, Sanders says that his agenda will require a Congress-flipping political revolution of like-minded voters, but so far, that revolution has yet to materialize. Just as in Iowa, in New Hampshire there were more voters — or caucusgoers — making choices in the Republican contest than in the Democratic one. That, so far, sounds more like a Republican revolution. If that trend holds for the rest of the primary season and into the general election, not only would Democrats not be likely pick up congressional seats, they could lose more of them.

That’s a stubborn fact emerging — a reality — and it is one that all voters, including black ones, shouldn’t be simply told to discount.


Clinton acknowledges this reality and has a plan to deal with it, so that she can improve our lives even with the Congress we have, through incrementalism and deal making. We know incrementalism works in these sort of situations. It is how Obama has gotten things done, much to the disdain of some here. Sanders' all or nothing gambit may be inspiring to some, but it is too risky for those living on the edge, who need help now even if it is just a little help, and can't risk getting nothing--or worse, a GOP President.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
89. Hillary's craptastically uninspiring campaign is hardly some guarantee against a GOP president.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:17 AM
Feb 2016

Oh, shit, there I go, 'splainin' again.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
90. Reality is setting in
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:18 AM
Feb 2016

We have to have details and there are no plans that sound feasible without an ideological change in this nation

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
104. I do not like anybody really
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:32 AM
Feb 2016

I mean they are just politicians i have no idea why folks are so enamoured.

thereismore

(13,326 posts)
107. So the reason you don't give him an inch is what? That people like him?
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:35 AM
Feb 2016

Is that all it is? Would you be so unforgiving to ANY frontrunner out of principle/spite?

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
109. It apparently offends some when it's suggested
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:36 AM
Feb 2016

that a politician might not be able to fulfill all their campaign rhetoric.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
116. Indeed.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:42 AM
Feb 2016

Also cracks me up when, on some really down to earth and easy to discuss topic, some roll in with 'Do not speak with them!' Like they're in a cult.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
112. The level of intellectual laziness represented in the phrase "Bernie-splain"
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:37 AM
Feb 2016

signals to me that reading this opinion piece would be a worthless waste of time.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
115. But for some reason it gets people to listen for a sec
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:39 AM
Feb 2016

They might say fuck it, but they at least hear it.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
119. I don't think it's a waste of time Bonobo.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:45 AM
Feb 2016

Even if you disagree, you can get a sense of where some people are coming from.

I happen to agree with the opinion piece. I know I'm not alone.

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
133. Charles blows.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 06:15 AM
Feb 2016

Last edited Thu Feb 11, 2016, 12:42 PM - Edit history (1)

Clinton's cynical and manipulative abuse of identity politics to divide the 99% will not stop me from spreading the Gospel of Bernie.



Response to mhatrw (Reply #133)

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,336 posts)
155. Jury response to Betsuni's post #138
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 06:26 PM
Feb 2016

I was not juror 7

On Thu Feb 11, 2016, 05:11 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Nam-myoho-renge-kyo-blow-me
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1199738

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

What a cute work around to tell another poster to 'blow-me" over the top and a rude personal attack

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Feb 11, 2016, 05:22 PM, and the Jury voted 6-1 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: So, I was on my way to work and got called to jury duty. After smoking some weed and drinking some alcohol, I STILL don't understand what this freakin post means. Maybe the poster should speak in english where someone, ANYONE, can understand what they said, besides the "blow me" part. I suggest the poster go sit in moms basement and think about their critical posting skills. Hide.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Please stop. The juvenile back and forth is not very becoming.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Yeah, "Blow me" seems a bit harsh, even during Primaries season.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Can Moderators move these Hillary/Bernie back and forth to DU Primaries?

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

The Polack MSgt

(13,186 posts)
176. Too late to the party to comment on Betsuni's post (#138) - Now its hidden,
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 03:23 PM
Feb 2016

Sadly, I can't reply directly

That was brilliant Betsuni.

Jurist # 2, wow unintentional comedy gold


The Polack MSgt

(13,186 posts)
178. Strangely enough a Bernie fan chastised...
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 03:31 PM
Feb 2016

Me for defending BHO too strenuously.

They told me and I quote "insisting that there never be any criticism is worship." That statement? It made my evening.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511205986#post12

SO - go forth and spread the Gospel just keep in mind that not everyone is a believer

jham123

(278 posts)
151. I don't need anything "splained" to me
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 06:00 PM
Feb 2016

Nor do "I" need to splain anything to anyone.....as usual, Hillary does a fine job "splaining" herself

" she used racially coded rhetoric to cast black children as animals. “They are not just gangs of kids anymore,” she said. “They are often the kinds of kids that are called ‘super-predators.’ No conscience, no empathy. We can talk about why they ended up that way, but first we have to bring them to heel.”

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
159. This is not about Hillary
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 06:46 PM
Feb 2016

If you cannot draw people to your candidate by their own virtues, why should he interest anyone not already with him?
If I am mad at my husband and think he sucks, does that mean I want to run off with the next strange man who makes me promises of true love and everlasting desire? No.

Just because she has issues, does not mean I want him instead. Trashing her does nothing but bore me to death.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
153. as far as recs
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 06:17 PM
Feb 2016

They get outdone by the sheer number of replies; the fact that you get those replies might as well say "instant milestones" which , to those with a brain, means "read this op and pay attention to what this person is trying to say." The fact that several people lost their temper, let their demons out of their keyboard, and got hid is a badge of honor, kind of like the way the Red baron would mark the side of his plane with a cross for every kill.

Now, if people let their emotions cool down, they could at least use the respectful tone, asking "well, what about this" or "what if that?", the classic TOOLS used to discuss and analyze life. Bravenak, based on private discussions, you pretty much know how I feel about certain candidates, but, I know that trying to ram shit down your throat is an easy way to lose, just like the Latinos yelling at me and calling me a race traitor for not supporting Cruz or Rubio turn ME off.

PS: if the above statement is wrong, please tell me.

I will add my rec, but honestly, in the utter hellhole that DU becomes every election year, I would not value them much. Now seeing the same people that howl in other groups finally lose it and get hid, or self hidden under "name Removed" or "post removed by poster", that is a sign that you are offending they that need to be offended.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
157. Yeah. You pretty much have it right
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 06:42 PM
Feb 2016

There is something going on and its not just here. I think the demographic changes are really having effects on people and their place in society. Some cannot handle it. They thunk they are losing something, power maybe. Authority. Importance.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
163. I say it is something worse
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:11 PM
Feb 2016

in addition to that. It is not just that the masses on all sides are felling disquieted, but that the tools the elites use to control people are out of control, like medicines that are useless against the new generation of a virus.

This can go two ways: one, people realize that, like it or not, they do have common enemies and common interests, and march right over people that try to use division to herd the cats. The other is the downfall of civilization as we know it.

Add in the fact that Global warming comes in, and that India and China (aka the vast majority of the world population under only TWO governments) are watching us kill ourselves, people of all sorts may be surprised to find that none of the various tribes and creeds that fought over the world are even able to weigh in.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,336 posts)
154. I won't try to "Bernie-splain" to anyone, but ...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 06:19 PM
Feb 2016

can anyone Hillary-splain the "Black Voters'" preference for Hillary? If, that is, it's real?

What has she done to earn it?

malletgirl02

(1,523 posts)
182. Instead of memes I need facts
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 04:19 PM
Feb 2016

So ok, Sanders supporters are "Bernie splaining", but please explain to me why Clinton is better for black people than Sanders.

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