2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThank you, Bernie!
I really enjoyed tonight's debate. I think that Bernie Sanders had his best performance to date. It seems to be that he is becoming a stronger candidate, and the timing couldn't be better.
My favorite part was when he talked about Henry Kissinger. That was wonderful. The second-best thing was when he said that we shouldn't insult the American public's intelligence, by pretending that campaign contributions from billionaires and multi-national corporations are anything but influence-buying.
I hope that everyone enjoyed the debate!
Wilms
(26,795 posts)Henry will trend on google tonight,
I'll be on the lookout for Octafish and bobthedrummer! I'm confident that they enjoyed it, too!
This is really nice, isn't it? We're seeing -- and participating -- in a historic era!
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)hay rick
(7,605 posts)kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)I'm glad that you are back!
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)Hearing about the Cambodian killing fields on national tv was spectacular.
H2O Man
(73,536 posts)I loved it.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Look at that. Bernie is uniting good Democrats from damn Yankees to mountain man Southerners!
H2O Man
(73,536 posts)There are a lot of people who remember old Henry. And I've never met a single person who had a good opinion of him.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)myrna minx
(22,772 posts)having such exposure in a Presidential debate. It's a win no matter what happens. It's in the political bloodstream.
The Clintons raised the issue of her friendship with Kissinger last week. But it now has become an official topic of conversation for this campaign. It's hard to justify liking Henry.
silenttigersong
(957 posts)For finally,speaking about the MIC.
H2O Man
(73,536 posts)that Bernie brought it up. Happily surprised, of course. Very happily surprised. I've been waiting a lot of years, hoping to hear someone talk honestly about what Henry Kissinger was -- the very worst type of person, and one that our establishment placed in un-elected positions of extreme power.
TheProgressive
(1,656 posts)I trust Sanders to be an exceptional president for all people of America and our planet.
H2O Man
(73,536 posts)I am, too. He just seems to be growing stronger and stronger.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)hope to see it this weekend.
H2O Man
(73,536 posts)That was outstanding.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)and then MM needs some plugs for his film after being sick.
pacalo
(24,721 posts)Bernie did well & he won in my eyes. I enjoy listening to him & I'm proud of how he conducts himself. I love his demeanor, too -- he's just very likeable.
He comes across as very likable. I think that is important.
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)I've never enjoyed a debate more than tonight's.
mvd
(65,173 posts)It was a good debate. Though I am getting a bit tired of the debates now. It seems like both the candidates have had their say now. Bernie has really improved with every debate IMO.
MadCrow
(155 posts)Bernie's Army have heard it all before, but many people in the country may be just hearing Bernie for the first time. First impressions are important and I think Bernie made a good one!
mvd
(65,173 posts)And I guess they can be good for exposure. For me not much new can be said now, but might not be that way for everyone.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)Bernie Rules!
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)Us We Together - Vs - Me Mybanks And I
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
turbinetree
(24,695 posts)over on C & L, after the debate , I just voted-------------------
Thank you,
Bernie Sanders 81.21% (3,889 votes)
Hillary Clinton 13.66% (654 votes)
Just Happy it Was A Good Debate 5.13% (246 votes)
Total Votes: 4,789
Honk----------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016
Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)Really a lousy move by Hillary. He's been persona non grata forever to us oldies, and hopefully tonite a lot of young 'uns got a glimmer of one of our history's most horrendous leaders. Another fine episode of truth-telling from Bernie.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)it just fits.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)All is well in the world today, H20 Man. A much needed truth was exposed to many who may not have a clue about the monstrous Kissinger. They will after tonight.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)mac2766
(658 posts)It was noticeably a Hillary Clinton Crowd. The mediators seemed to be pro Hillary as well. If you DVR'd the debate, take count of the number of times Bernie was halted before rebuttal, or a station break vs. the number of times Hillary Clinton was. It was very obvious.
As stated in previous posts (by me)... Go Bernie!!!
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)I'd also like a count of who had the most time. Clinton drones on and on and on and on and on...
I'm glad Bernie did well!
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)is a lot of "I, I, I." She's proud of her accomplishments, which is to be expected, but when she is constantly touting them, she begins to sound haughty and arrogant, kind of condescending. And before anyone jumps on me for sexism, I would say the same thing about a male politician in a similar circumstance.
Bernie mostly says "we," which makes me, at least, feel acknowledged, like we're in this together. I like that.
I realize that this is just a stylistic difference in their speech patterns probably, but if I were Hillary's campaign, I would encourage her to be more inclusive with her word choices and body language. For me, at least, she does not connect.
Iggy Knorr
(247 posts)Nice Polite Republicans and PBS strikes again...
Mira
(22,380 posts)was one Bernie walked through without hesitation. I hope that those who lack historical knowledge of Kissinger's crimes will bother to study up. Beside that, he is also just a nasty human.
I think that Bernie gets stronger with each debate, though today I felt he was physically under the weather with either fatigue or a cold, both would be understandable. I cannot imagine the rigors of a campaign.
I wish there were a way to give some rest to the weary, all of them, really.
I think this is the first debate where he was taken fully seriously by his opponent, THANK YOU New Hampshire, and in the absence of Mrs. Clinton's laughs and derision it was a fully engaged encounter.
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)I was struck by her puffy, pasty-looking face, and pin-pointy eyes; also ramrod back and odd quirky way she moved her head, like she could barely hold herself together physically.
I think she may under serious stress--perhaps both physically and as to the way her campaign is going.
As for Bernie, I was trying to think of a way to get "Throat Coat Tea" to Bernie. It would save his throat! It's made by Traditional Medicinals, and can be obtained on Amazon.
I mentioned this elsewhere, and someone suggested I post it at reddit, cuz some of his staff may watch that site. I went through all the rigmarole of signing up there, posted this info, but, a) I don't know what happened to my post (don't understand how the site works); and b) somebody replied sarcastically (like I was doing an ad for that company, which I wasn't--I have nothing to do with the company whatever; don't even know where they are). The youngsters over there don't realize that us oldsters have parts that break down with overuse and need extra boosts of healing or energy.
I may end up just mailing some of this wonderful throat tea to his P.O. Box in Burlingame, but I'm afraid I may next find a Secret Service agent at my door with "questions." I doubt they would let him use a tea that was sent in the mail. What should I do? THIS TEA WILL SOLVE HIS TIRED THROAT PROBLEM! It's a wonderful, mild, soothing, organic herbal tea. It was hard to get for a long time in local stores, but now they seem to have better distribution, and I buy it locally. But I looked it up and they have it at Amazon now, too.
Any ideas?
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)ms liberty
(8,572 posts)And makes me miss him.
rosesaylavee
(12,126 posts)I miss him too!
Great post as always, H2oman!
humbled_opinion
(4,423 posts)Bernie is on message, Clinton all over the place... My open letter to the people of South Carolina, when you get in the privacy of the voting booth please remember that this election is probably the most important in our lifetimes, we have an opportunity for real change and an opportunity to win the GE. Remember one of our candidates is completely baggage free and the other is bringing tons of baggage to a general election where she will be put under the spotlight by unforgiving rightwing attacks, remember that you cannot win elections simply with a single party support you must pull independents to your cause, one of our candidates can speak about the issues that we care about the other will be defending their record and trying to stay out of jail, you only have one opportunity so make it count.
Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)Thanks for the thread, H2O Man.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)That she won't be influenced by her wealthy donors.
It comes off as disingenuous and awkward every time.
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Dems to Win
(2,161 posts)Agree with you I'm glad he brought up Henry Kissinger. That was powerful, at least for us older folks. At the end of the last debate, my SO was appalled that she mentioned Kissinger. "Kissinger? She really said that name???"
This debate also solidified my desire that Hillary NOT be Commander in Chief. She really did scare me that she would be too eager to go to war. She kept saying the words "Commander in Chief," it made me feel she couldn't wait to get her fingers on the button.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)"...Bernie Sanders had his best performance to date."
"My favorite part was when he talked about Henry Kissinger. That was wonderful."
Yup!
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)Got any ideas how to get "Throat Coat Tea" (Traditional Medicinals) to Bernie? He's obviously been giving too many speeches and talking too much. Throat is under strain. Got to save his throat. This tea would help a lot.
I don't know what I'd do for Hillary. Her problems are profound. His problem is just an older throat getting overused. It doesn't seem to bother him. But he could suffer loss of voice and have to take time off from speaking when he can't do that. But Hillary, I don't know. I feel like she's wound much too tight and may just go spinning into outer space one of these days. She needs to retire from public life. That was my feeling. It's hard to guess whatall's going on with her. Family getting ravaged by the campaign? Bill sick? Fear of investigation of the Clinton Foundation? Firing/replacing staff? Campaign downturn? I don't think it's just the latter. It could be combo of all. But I thought she looked terrible tonight, like a zombie. Heavy makeup covering something up. Puffy, pasty face. Small eyes. Rigid posture. Her brain's still clicking, and she speaks well (articulately, though I don't like her voice). Something's wrong.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)ms liberty
(8,572 posts)That I picked the wrong debate to miss by going to bed early? Damn, I should have known, lol! I'll have to find it online and watch it this weekend - sounds like a barn-berner!
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)mountain grammy
(26,619 posts)Good! Another reason to vote for Bernie. In fact I've yet to find a reason not to.
gordyfl
(598 posts)Although the audience didn't react with the applause I was expecting with his Kissinger summation.
I thought his talk on FDR was excellent. Hillary's follow up was weak. She said "Ditto to what Bernie said", then tossed in Nelson Mandela,"s name.
7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)K n R.
Bernie was great, IMHO.
I especially loved the Kissinger moment and when Hillary said "When I am in the White House......" and Bernie responded with "you are not there yet".........
Beautiful!
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Bernie leveled the Kissinger blow and WS money very well.
I loved the,...do not insult the intelligence of the American people, they're not dumb.
The look on her face was amazing. It appeared she felt she would shut him up
using Obama as her airbag. Why she or her team thought that would
work tells me they don't understand what Americans are well aware of
regarding the influence of money. This campaign is not about Obama
and yet she sounded like a 4th grader with faux outrage, don't insult
my Obama...the South Carolina shout out was also obvious and cynical
as well.
Her weak response that she is not a one issue candidate is laughable
as anyone with half a brain knows our entire economy and our foreign
policies are directly related to the investment class...not a minor
issue and that corruption seeps into our society in numerous ways.
Excellent debate, and I remain hopeful for Bernie.