2016 Postmortem
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Bernie Sanders | |
51 (91%) |
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Hillary Clinton | |
5 (9%) |
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RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)People who need hope. People who need affordable health care. People who are refugees anywhere in the world.
Bernie is the candidate that spoke for them this night.
Paulie
(8,464 posts)Sorry.
It was a great debate. Henry fucking Kissinger laid out on prime time.
onecaliberal
(36,594 posts)Around a war criminal as an advisor? Only in America.
azmom
(5,208 posts)Every word he says.
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)...
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Sorry. I'll get off my pessimistic kick in a minute, but I think both candidates came out of that weaker than they went in. Sigh.
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)I'm a Bernie supporter but I tried to watch it as objectively as possible. I thought Bernie hit it out of the park, again and again and again, and was incredibly good on foreign policy--his alleged weakness--especially his calling Hillary out on her using Henry Kissinger (murderer of millions; seller of American jobs to China) as an ADVISOR ON FOREIGN POLICY!
Good God! That says it all for me, about Hillary Clinton. Henry Frigging Kissinger!
Bernie also placed our foreign policy IN PERSPECTIVE, mentioning FIFTY YEARS of U.S. intervention and "regime change" in other countries, and he specially mentioned IRAN--the 1953 U.S. toppling of Iran's first prime minister, democratically elected after WW II, whom the CIA and the Brits overthrew to serve British oil interests! That STARTED the path to the Iranian revolution, and its fear and its xenophobia today (after the Iranian people had suffered 25 years of torture and oppression at the hands of the U.S. puppet, the 'Shah' of Iran).
"Regime change" has CONSEQUENCES, and they are almost always unintended and bad in the long term.
He also mentioned the current disaster in Libya, and of course, in Iraq--the destabilization of the entire region. He reminded viewers that he warned about ME destabilization when he helped lead the opposition to the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2002-2003.
His overall message: Peace and diplomacy first; war only as a last option; AND, and this is very important, the U.S. "is not the policeman of the world."
Also, experience isn't everything. What about judgement and wisdom (not to mention knowing history and learning its lessons)?
I not only strongly agree with Sanders on domestic issues--agree and believe that he means what he says--I strongly approved of most of the specific things he said tonight about foreign policy. Not all, but most--and he is far and away the best candidate to prevent U.S. soldiers from getting stuck in an everlasting war in the ME. Clinton voted FOR the disastrous invasion of Iraq, and I would not want her finger on the trigger for yet more war.
I tried. I TRIED to be objective. I could not. I found Clinton to be glib and insincere, and I believe that her "incremental" approach to reversing the down-spiral of income that most people are feeling, here, is completely wrong. Bernie is right. We desperately need a New Deal-type economic and political revolution to return control of our government to we, the people.
catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)for the win.