Clinton is so cynical about the American public that she is gleefully feeding us shit, convinced

[whereisjustice]

that we'll stand in line to tell her how good it tastes.

[NowSam]

1. The utter contempt

is what she displays for the electorate...in my opinion. She just keeps flinging it and flinging it.

[Ferd Berfel]

3. Yes, Arogance and utter contempt for anyone

that isn't making real money - Disgusting

[PonyUp]

34. Vote Bernie and prosper. n/t

[Hoyt]

2. Sanders must think you guys are pretty gullible too with the fantasies he's promising.

[cali]

4. Except he's not. He says in virtually every speech

that nothing will change until congress changes

[bettyellen]

6. So 8-12 years?

[cali]

9. Who knows?

You don't.

[bettyellen]

24. We speculate on this sort of stuff all the time- why the hostile refusal to muse on it?

Are you afraid the steam will be out of "the revolution" by this November? Or do you think it can be sustained to make real gains in congress in 2-6 years? Whoever is in the WH next year, the commitment for a revolution is real, isn't it?

[eggman67]

46. It doesn't have to take that long

The grassroots need to do our part and stay just as passionate, engaged and active the day after the election as the day before. Continued pressure and community engagement can generate wave elections to shift the balance of power. And having the bully pulpit can help make that happen. It's all well and good for Bernie to have our backs, we have to continue to have his.

[bettyellen]

49. well the RW takeover took 12-14 years to reach full flower- with a very dedicated base working at

all levels. So, just using history as a guide.

[840high]

51. Never with Hillary.

[bettyellen]

53. So no one can work to elect honest progressives without Bernie directing them how to do it?

It can and should be done whoever is in the White House. Lots of us have known this and done this- for years. Now that young people are becoming aware, why would they not do it too? They could be turning red states blue and purple! It's a long game, and they need to be in for their own future- not just for one man's.

[Jackilope]

21. We are the grassroots that demand the change.

A strong message is already communicated loud and clear to the establishment by the huge support Sanders has. Why has Hillary changed her positions and tone? I don't buy it or her for one second. They are scared. Let's chip away at the corrupt system by electing a leader that stands for all of us and not on the rigged system. Then we stand behind him and have his back and demand the changes and get people elected who will stand up for us. Let's not be fooled into thinking we have to settle.

[NowSam]

12. FDR peddled some big fantasies too, huh?

Are you saying we should just settle for being okay with the status quo? I'll tell you why Bernie's ideas will work. They must.

We are at the point where it is game over if we don't. Once the consumers have nothing left then they can't purchase stuff. Once they can't purchase stuff, no more stuff gets sold. That happens to be bad for the 1% as well as everyone else.

Bernie's way creates a healthy society where people have work, health care, clean air, good schools, a fair justice system and non-profit prisons, care for veterans and people prosper - having money to spend in the rest of the economy. Stocks go up. 1% happy too.

Bernie's way is the only way. The people are out of money and out of credit. Those who work in health insurance might consider a new career - like selling solar power.

A new deal. Because we are at sink or swim. Necessity is the mother of invention. Bernie understands that and has faith in the will of the people to survive and thrive. Too bad HRC is behind the curve - of course she does parrot him quite a bit.

[whereisjustice]

23. Good point. Thanks.

[Hoyt]

33. Actually, FDR was a rich candidate, not particularly liberal, when he first ran. I support Sanders'

aspirations, he just can't get us there.

[Skwmom]

30. So we continue with this corrupt system. Yeah, that makes a hell of a lot of sense. n/t

[Hoyt]

36. It will darn sure be corrupt if Sanders is our next McGovern/Mondale.

[Hydra]

50. And if Hillary can't win the GE, where does that put us?

Her inevitability argument isn't working in our party, why should it work among the independents?

[bettyellen]

5. and then she cackles and steals our puppies- to cook for dinner!

[PonyUp]

35. She may not steal the puppies, but she will cackle. n/t

[whereisjustice]

37. Lawsuit is filed after pitbull kills small dog in Clinton...

http://www.whidbeynewstimes.com/news/364309651.html

[bettyellen]

39. It's not always better in the Bahamas. But I could believe Palin (the Pitbull w/ lipstick) killing

a doggie. After her last rant I am convinced she is a tweaker.

[earthshine]

7. I wish my fellow Bernie supporters would stop making posts like this.

Right now, it is you who is flinging shit.

Make a real argument and back it up with facts.

Otherwise, you are just making the Bernie brigade look bad.

I'm counting the minutes until your post gets a hide.

[libtodeath]

10. Keep counting so called Bernie supporter

[earthshine]

13. Not just a supporter -- a volunteer! nt

[bettyellen]

25. I'm so sorry you are getting insults for this. Underserved.

[whereisjustice]

29. Well, first you should know that you cannot expect other people to do what you want

unless you are a manager. If you want to have my post removed there is an alert button you can use yourself.

Seriously, as I just related to someone else, I'm not ashamed nor concerned about the evocative imagery Hillary Clinton's campaign evokes from me. If somehow you are made to feel horribly offended and put out by this, you can take control of the situation and alert. But I'd argue you are too close to your candidate if this is the case.

It's up to you, are you strong enough to accept the good and the bad of human opinion, or should we simply relate the day-to-day talking points and scripted platitudes from 3rd party internet wonks in a desperate but indirect play to maintain control of the message.

Besides, the politically correct crowd has done a good job of flushing out strong opinions perceived to be "dangerous" and "disruptive". They're long gone from this site as I imagine I will be one day, thanks to the intolerance of the devoted.

Not every post is going to make the greatest page. Who cares?

Sometimes it gets so empty and passive aggressive here, and there is so much indirect quoting of 3rd party sources, I decide to get direct and visceral. Perhaps out of frustration. It's a lot more honest than fighting a proxy war with cut and paste.

I'm betting most people can handle the chaff without getting their knickers in a twist.

Besides, just maybe it really is how a lot of Democratic Party voters feel about Hillary.

Btw, I didn't reference Sanders in my post. It was just a rant.

Don't respond if you are worried about perception. By drawing him into something you don't like, you've just done the opposite of what you wanted.

Just some advice for next time.

Cheers!

(Oh, on edit, I have made the same mistake as you by wading in with guns blazing to defend the character of my man/woman against a stupid post, only to realize if I had just left it alone, it would have gone away)

[earthshine]

42. Oh, gee, you can write like a person, afterall.

F your advice.

[whereisjustice]

45. lol, perfect.

[libtodeath]

8. I have been sickened and disgusted by what some Clinton supporters have done here today

it is like a visit to freeperland.

[earthshine]

14. Pot and kettle situation.

Let's keep Bernie's house clean and respectable.

[whereisjustice]

47. Going post to post to scold and offer sweeping apologies for perceived transgressions is weird.

Focus on what you want to say instead of managing what other people say.

As soon as you try to micromanage the "message" you immediately become the problem.

Did you work for the Clinton campaign and decide there needs to be an enforcer here?

[earthshine]

48. Apologies? This is a nonsequitor.

Your first post stated nothing of any value. And you still don't.

But, you have proven that you can write a coherent post if you want to.

Why not start that way?

Scold, scold, scold. Go away.

[cali]

11. I would unreccomend this if I could

[whereisjustice]

16. Interesting, I would recommend this if I could. I guess we don't agree.

[msongs]

17. why? the key commonality in sanders supporters is their irrational "dislike" of hillary clinton nt

[whereisjustice]

22. I don't like her embrace of Kissinger, big banks, PhRMA, NAFTA & I don't like her tall tales BUT

most of all, I don't like the masquerade of a passive aggressive personality who beneath the thin veneer of civility has violently fucked over (either in words or deeds) the working men and women of the nation.

Clinton has been on the wrong side since her days as Goldwater girl, to Walmart director, to advocate for NAFTA and private prison systems. Her Bush Doctrine foreign policy has been a disaster and her fibs (like sniper fire) and tall tails (dead broke and wiping servers) are shit on top of shit.

My words might be harsh. But they are nothing compared to the damage she has done to the nation under the guise of being the more "rational" of our broken political establishment.

Tomorrow, no one will remember my words. Nor care. But they will remember the chaos and horrible problems Hillary Clinton has created for the Democratic Party and the nation.

No one has a monopoly on perspective nor the evocative imagery a national figure provokes. With Hillary Clinton I call it like I see it. I'm not alone.

BTW - I rarely attack a fellow member here. There's no point. You do what you have to.

Almost never except in cases of gun troll nuttery. I won't start now.

So knock yourself out.

[UnBlinkingEye]

32. Once upon a time

Hillary was idealistic. Now she is pragmatic. Wonder which pays better?

[whereisjustice]

40. lol - the price of doing business with the Clintons isn't cheap, that's for sure!

[AZ Progressive]

15. This is a war of desire and will

Is the desire of Bernie Sanders supporters for a government that serves the people instead of the 1% bigger than the desire for Hillary to be queen and for the Establishment to maintain its power?

[Live and Learn]

18. I give this a high recommendation! nt

[hifiguy]

19. The definition of a true cynic is

a person who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.

That sums her up in 13 words.

[TheProgressive]

20. Your thread is disrespectful to Senator Sanders and Sanders' supporters like me...

This thread deserves to be Alerted...

[whereisjustice]

27. lol, no offense, but why ask someone else to do what you want done?

For better or worse the alert system is a reasonably democratic process to be exercised at your discretion. But your reply to me is oddly 2nd/3rd person as if you are not really a part of this, i.e. looking in from the outside, unsure of yourself.

I guess we've both learned a bit about each other. I like direct. You like indirect.

I hope this brings us closer together

[asuhornets]

26. If you hated her so much then...

ignore her, and listen to the fairy tales that Sanders tells everyone.

[valerief]

28. Mmm, Kissinger Pie.

[whereisjustice]

31. aka blood pudding.

[valerief]

38. Badda bing!

[TipTok]

41. She's got excellent odds that it will turn out exactly that way...

[tokenlib]

43. The Third Way has been feeding us shit for decades..

..and they expect us to fall in line for it. Or it will be our fault if the repukes win.

It's time to break the cycle...Go Bernie!

[MellowDem]

44. It's worse than that...

She knows she can feed us shit because the alternative is worse. At this point, Sanders is our only other choice if we want better than shit, and she'll mix in Bernies recipe until she gets the nomination, then it's back to shit sandwiches for everyone.

[840high]

52. .+10

[RBInMaine]

54. You obviously don't need to eat any shit because you are already completely full of it.