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TubbersUK

(1,439 posts)
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:47 AM Feb 2016

Hillary Clinton brought this on herself: How a Democratic primary coronation turned into a war

Over the past week, a hurricane seems to have hit the shores of Hillaryland. After suffering a landslide defeat in New Hampshire, the Clinton campaign is trying to figure out how to stop the growing storm that is Bernie Sanders. There have been reports that Hillary Clinton is planning to reorganize and hire some new staffers, while many supporters are starting to seriously worry about the campaign’s message, or lack thereof. Though members of the Clinton camp have denied any serious problems within the campaign, it is all reminiscent of 2008, when staff infighting and the rise of Obama doomed Clinton’s run.


Whether Sanders can maintain his early success is doubtful, but the fact that he has made it this far is bad enough for Clinton. And the ill-advised comments from Gloria Steinem and former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright did not help her with another quandary she faces in capturing the support of young voters. In a Daily Beast article with the amusingly melodramatic headline, “Did Bernie Just Poison Hillary 2016?,” reporters Betsy Woodruff and Jackie Kucinich write:

“Even though [Sanders is] still a long shot to snag the nomination, his candidacy is persuading young voters, women, and progressives that Clinton is in the pocket of big banks and corrupt corporations—and it’s persuading Clinton’s own supporters that they’re on the sadder side of this contest.”





http://www.salon.com/2016/02/15/hillary_clinton_brought_this_on_herself_how_a_democratic_primary_coronation_turned_into_a_war/
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Hillary Clinton brought this on herself: How a Democratic primary coronation turned into a war (Original Post) TubbersUK Feb 2016 OP
Sanders inspires the same group of people on the dem side that Clinton lost with in 08 and uponit7771 Feb 2016 #1
I could give you dozens of links to current Hillary promoters who utterly savaged her in 2008 Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #7
Hillary never coronated herself the media did and if this is considered a war it's not helping the bigdarryl Feb 2016 #2
Bulloney cali Feb 2016 #3
i saw what you did there :) nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #10
I'm not sure she didn't expect a coronation but since that isn't happening yet Jarqui Feb 2016 #5
A war? I thought it was a rev-0-lushion leftofcool Feb 2016 #4
The war was started by Hillary via surrogates. m-lekktor Feb 2016 #14
War? leftofcool Feb 2016 #16
"Whether Sanders can maintain his early success is doubtful . . ." Le Taz Hot Feb 2016 #6
In order for her 'Obama coalition' arguement to remain viable, she needs to match his SC results Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #9
She also needs to inspire PROGRESSIVE democrats... thomservo Feb 2016 #13
That was later in the cycle than this Recursion Feb 2016 #18
they will try and tear him down till the bitter end restorefreedom Feb 2016 #11
K&R! Down with 3rd Way, the Vichy Dems Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #8
Do you believe a contest is bad for Hillary? Sancho Feb 2016 #12
Only two primaries in states with small minority populations and Bernie fans think they won the upaloopa Feb 2016 #15
And they MUST characterize this as a war instead of what it really is: a primary campaign. randome Feb 2016 #17
They certainly have a point about the momentum Recursion Feb 2016 #19

uponit7771

(90,329 posts)
1. Sanders inspires the same group of people on the dem side that Clinton lost with in 08 and
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:55 AM
Feb 2016

,,, how in the world is that supposed to be a good thing?

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
7. I could give you dozens of links to current Hillary promoters who utterly savaged her in 2008
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 08:56 AM
Feb 2016

How is that a good thing? There are posters here on DU acting like they adore her who in 2008 spent hours posting about her dishonesty, her racism, her greed. Endless threads denigrating and criticizing her. But now all that is forgotten as they endlessly denigrate Bernie Sanders with that same tired, worn out set of attacks.
I don't buy into that routine, and it is a routine.

But that's not all of her supporters, she also has supporters who supported her in 2008 by saying about Barack Obama the exact same things they now say about Bernie Sanders. Plenty of links for those folks too, if you'd like.

There are one or two people here who are for her now and for her then who never trashed the President or Sanders. A handful. The rest either used to hate her or used to hate Barack.
How is that a good thing?

 

bigdarryl

(13,190 posts)
2. Hillary never coronated herself the media did and if this is considered a war it's not helping the
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:59 AM
Feb 2016

Democratic Party win in November

Jarqui

(10,122 posts)
5. I'm not sure she didn't expect a coronation but since that isn't happening yet
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 08:31 AM
Feb 2016

democracy kicks in and she has to get out there and campaign for votes.

It's not a war from Bernie's perspective. He's running a pretty clean campaign - unlike Hillary.

If Bernie's the nominee, the primary helps him as he's behind in the polls in states down the road because folks don't know him and his policies. It helps Bernie get the attention of the voters, helps the voters get familiar with him and builds up some excitement for an enthusiastic turnout in November.

Hillary needs to do what she said she was going to do - get out and earn votes like Bernie is. And stop being hypocritical by hiring scum like Brock to do lame smear campaigns.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
14. The war was started by Hillary via surrogates.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 09:19 AM
Feb 2016

read more slowly next time, it helps with comprehension.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
16. War?
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 10:13 AM
Feb 2016

You mean stolen data, impersonating culinary workers union members, touting endorsements you don't have, using American Legion members photos without asking, saying Obama has not been a leader etc......... That war?

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
6. "Whether Sanders can maintain his early success is doubtful . . ."
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 08:40 AM
Feb 2016

They never stop, do they? There is every indication that he absolutely can maintain his early success. Nevada is next and Hillary needs to worry. She's also losing ground in South Carolina big time. Now, even I don't think he'll win South Carolina but even if he gets fairly close (6 to 8 percentage points) that gives him tremendous momentum for Super Tuesday.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
9. In order for her 'Obama coalition' arguement to remain viable, she needs to match his SC results
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 09:02 AM
Feb 2016

in not only outcome but demographic composition of her electorate. She has made a great deal of noise about SC as her firewall of supporters who will respond to her as proxy for Obama.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
18. That was later in the cycle than this
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 10:15 AM
Feb 2016

Obama was still kind of a cipher at this point in 2008, and the big progressive bloc was still stinging from Edwards dropping out.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
11. they will try and tear him down till the bitter end
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 09:07 AM
Feb 2016

more's the sweetness of the victory that will come

i can't wait to see the gob smacked looks on their faces and hear them stammer when they have to deliver the news that he is the nominee!


Sancho

(9,067 posts)
12. Do you believe a contest is bad for Hillary?
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 09:10 AM
Feb 2016

I can think of no better way to win a GE than to have a hotly contested primary season that excites the base, brings in new young voters, and rallies the Democratic party. Even Sanders knows the exercise requires unification and he's said so.

If I was the DNC, I'd plan to have Hillary go up against someone to make such a primary season; knowing all along that the desirable candidate would win in the end - but it would generate media attention, bring in donations, provide debate practice, and GOTV. It would also reveal the main candidates weaknesses and develop the talking points for the GE.

If Hillary wins as the first woman President, DWS and the DNC will go down historically as creating one of the better strategic plans in the last 10 elections. Bravo!! Well-conceived and working as planned.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
15. Only two primaries in states with small minority populations and Bernie fans think they won the
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 09:23 AM
Feb 2016

momentum and the nomination.

Fasten your seat belts folks you are in for a bumpy ride.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
17. And they MUST characterize this as a war instead of what it really is: a primary campaign.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 10:15 AM
Feb 2016

Needs. More. DRAMA!
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Aspire to inspire.[/center][/font][hr]

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
19. They certainly have a point about the momentum
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 10:17 AM
Feb 2016

I mean, if I were a betting man I'd put money on Clinton winning the nom, but momentum is definitely not in her favor right now (that will probably still be true after NV, and stop being true once the Southeast gets a say).

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