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The Difference Between Bernie Sanders & Hillary Clinton During the Civil Rights Era (Original Post) Quixote1818 Feb 2016 OP
Go Bernie! Jenny_92808 Feb 2016 #1
who is Goldwater? uponit7771 Feb 2016 #2
Phoning it in tonight? jeff47 Feb 2016 #3
Barry Goldwater 2banon Feb 2016 #5
Barry Goldwater, Just another Republican anti-civil rights demagogue, Dragonfli Feb 2016 #6
Is there anyone that takes politics seriously that does not know about Goldwater. SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #8
you forgot the.... who isn't over 45.... part uponit7771 Feb 2016 #14
I know who Lincoln is and I'm under 150. Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #18
K&R Carolina Feb 2016 #4
k Quixote1818 Feb 2016 #7
worth kicking for exposure. nt. californiabernin Feb 2016 #9
Yeah, because a 17 year old is in the same place as a 20 some year old. all american girl Feb 2016 #10
You really need to do your homework. Lucinda Feb 2016 #11
The fellow in the video was very fair and said she changed and ended up voting against Goldwater Quixote1818 Feb 2016 #12
If you look at Bernie's record. At what he has Lucinda Feb 2016 #15
Crazy how often the Clinton's are on the WRONG SIDE of history then Catchup. quantass Feb 2016 #13
K&R quantumjunkie Feb 2016 #16
I just discovered this on youtube dana_b Feb 2016 #17
 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
5. Barry Goldwater
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 01:21 AM
Feb 2016

From Wikipedia:

Goldwater is the politician most often credited for sparking the resurgence of the American conservative political movement in the 1960s. He also had a substantial impact on the libertarian movement.[2]

Goldwater rejected the legacy of the New Deal and fought through the conservative coalition against the New Deal coalition. He mobilized a large conservative constituency to win the hard-fought Republican primaries. He was the first candidate of Jewish heritage to be nominated for President by a major American party.[3][4][5] Goldwater's conservative campaign platform ultimately failed to gain the support of the electorate[6] and he lost the 1964 presidential election to incumbent Democrat Lyndon B. Johnson by one of the largest landslides in history, bringing down many Republican candidates as well. The Johnson campaign and other critics painted him as a reactionary, while supporters praised his crusades against the Soviet Union, labor unions, and the welfare state. His defeat allowed Johnson and the Democrats in Congress to pass the Great Society programs, but the defeat of so many older Republicans in 1964 also cleared the way for a younger generation of American conservatives to mobilize. Goldwater was much less active as a national leader of conservatives after 1964; his supporters mostly rallied behind Ronald Reagan, who became governor of California in 1967 and the 40th President of the United States in 1981.

Goldwater returned to the Senate in 1969, and specialized in defense policy, bringing to the table his experience as a senior officer in the Air Force Reserve. In 1974, as an elder statesman of the party, Goldwater successfully urged President Richard Nixon to resign when evidence of a cover-up in the Watergate scandal became overwhelming and impeachment was imminent. By the 1980s, the increasing influence of the Christian right on the Republican Party so conflicted with Goldwater's views that he became a vocal opponent of the religious right on issues such as abortion, gay rights, and the role of religion in public life. After narrowly winning re-election to the Senate in 1980, he chose not to run for a sixth term in 1986, and was succeeded by fellow Republican John McCain. A significant accomplishment in his career was the passage of the Goldwater–Nichols Act of 1986, which restructured the higher levels of the Pentagon by placing the chain of command from the President to the Secretary of Defense directly to the commanders of the Unified Combatant Commands.



Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
6. Barry Goldwater, Just another Republican anti-civil rights demagogue,
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 01:35 AM
Feb 2016

known most notably (besides his fervent and unwavering anti-civil rights stances) for a resurgence of extreme conservatism, rolling back all of the New Deal, advocating using tactical nuclear strikes against Russia, and for making libertarianism a much larger, more extreme and vocal part of the Republican party.

Since you can't be bothered to learn what Hillary stood for and agreed with in 1964, I hope my doing my homework for you will help.
I will even give you a little movie to help you understand the election and what side she was on, I find video helps educate those with short attention spans.



He lost in a landslide, literally winning only the Jim Crow law states.
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
18. I know who Lincoln is and I'm under 150.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 04:17 PM
Feb 2016

Also my Google isn't broken and if I wanted to pose as a politically engaged person I'd use it.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
11. You really need to do your homework.
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 03:54 AM
Feb 2016
She was in High School when she "supported" Goldwater.
By her junior year in college she had left the part of her parents and was a solid Dem.

"...In her junior year, Rodham became a supporter of the antiwar presidential nomination campaign of Democrat Eugene McCarthy.[27] In early 1968, she was elected president of the Wellesley College Government Association and served through early 1969.[25][28] Following the assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr., Rodham organized a two-day student strike and worked with Wellesley's black students to recruit more black students and faculty.."

"...Rodham then entered Yale Law School. There she served on the editorial board of the Yale Review of Law and Social Action.[38] During her second year, she worked at the Yale Child Study Center,[39] learning about new research on early childhood brain development and working as a research assistant on the seminal work, Beyond the Best Interests of the Child (1973).[40][41] She also took on cases of child abuse at Yale–New Haven Hospital[40] and volunteered at New Haven Legal Services to provide free legal advice for the poor.[39] In the summer of 1970 she was awarded a grant to work at Marian Wright Edelman's Washington Research Project, where she was assigned to Senator Walter Mondale's Subcommittee on Migratory Labor. There she researched migrant workers' problems in housing, sanitation, health and education.[42] Edelman later became a significant mentor.[43] Rodham was recruited by political advisor Anne Wexler to work on the 1970 campaign of Connecticut U.S. Senate candidate Joseph Duffey, with Rodham later crediting Wexler with providing her first job in politics.[44]..."


"...Rodham began a year of postgraduate study on children and medicine at the Yale Child Study Center.[52] Her first scholarly article, "Children Under the Law", was published in the Harvard Educational Review in late 1973.[53] Discussing the new children's rights movement, it stated that "child citizens" were "powerless individuals"[54] and argued that children should not be considered equally incompetent from birth to attaining legal age, but that instead courts should presume competence except when there is evidence otherwise, on a case-by-case basis.[55] The article became frequently cited in the field.[56]..."

"...During her postgraduate study, Rodham served as staff attorney for Edelman's newly founded Children's Defense Fund in Cambridge, Massachusetts,[57] and as a consultant to the Carnegie Council on Children.[58] In 1974 she was a member of the impeachment inquiry staff in Washington, D.C., advising the House Committee on the Judiciary during the Watergate scandal.[59] Under the guidance of Chief Counsel John Doar and senior member Bernard Nussbaum,[40] Rodham helped research procedures of impeachment and the historical grounds and standards for impeachment.[59] The committee's work culminated in the resignation of President Richard Nixon in August 1974.[59]..."

It's wikipedia, but their sources are cited.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton


Quixote1818

(28,903 posts)
12. The fellow in the video was very fair and said she changed and ended up voting against Goldwater
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 04:11 AM
Feb 2016

But his video does point out how she tends to have one stance on issues then changes to another stance once public opinion is behind it. Look, I am sure she is a great person, I would probably do a lot of the same things to make sure I was a viable candidate but the video does a really nice job showing how Sanders has always been consistent on issues and Hillary tended to wait for the winds to change before getting on board of a lot of important issues. It took guts for someone like Sanders to be for Gay Marriage at a time it was not at all popular. That is real leadership. Times change and because he is talking about socializing a lot of important things perhaps one day they will be so popular and those things will get through but when that time comes it will be because of people like Sanders who spoke up before things were popular. That takes incredible courage and is a style of leadership rarely seen these days.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
15. If you look at Bernie's record. At what he has
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 05:01 AM
Feb 2016

actively worked to change in congress, you wont find much of HIS ideas being put forward. He has had three laws passed in 25 years. Only a handful of things have even left chamber. NOTHING he put forward last year had a single Republican co-sponsor. Most of what he proposes sits in committee and dies. That's not leadership. He works with others on their proposals, but he doesn't lead with his own ideas. He adds amendments, which is good, but what he proposes, he does with little assistance and support.

http://tinyurl.com/h729cv7
3 - Sponsored became law:

2 - were naming post offices
1 - was a COLA raise for Vets

My link above take you to the "became law" results - but you can do it for yourself from here - as well as look at his record session by session:

https://www.congress.gov/member/bernard-sanders/S000033

He is right about where we should be as a country, but you don't get there by making speeches and not doing any work to actually make it happen.

And I have no problem with Hillary progressing on some issues that I have always been much more liberal on. She is there now. And Bernie's supported civil unions but not gay marriage as recent at 2006. He came around faster than HRC and should be commended, but it didn't happen years and years before she did.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/10/05/bernie_sanders_on_marriage_equality_he_s_no_longtime_champion.html


A great deal of the noise that says that she waffles is because people cherry pick what she says. She has been trying to get universal health care for decades now. Her support for that hasn't changed, she just feels that we shouldn't fight those battles again, that congress wont pass single payer now (and they wont - not unless both chambers go our way) and that the best way to proceed is to build on the ACA, fix it's flaws. If you see something where it looks like she has waffled, if you dig a little deeper, you will most often find that she was working to get what changes were possible at that given moment in time. It's pretty much how things get changed in a representative government. No side ever really gets everything they want.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
17. I just discovered this on youtube
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 03:08 PM
Feb 2016

and he states it perfectly.

Why should we support someone who gets it wrong on the first try and then comes around when it's politically expedient??

IF she becomes President, I am honestly scared of her decision making. Her experience is not a plus, imo, because her experience is to get it wrong on the big issues!!

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