Clinton "I was the candidate who went to Wall Street before the crash."

if you have so much clout with them why didn't they listen?

They're paying her hundreds of thousands to say what they want to hear.

If a Congress-person knew that Wall St was going to crash the American economy,
and did nothing about it, I would say it is more than complicit...

is warranted* for the electorate to understand what steps she took to "get things done" knowing an economic meltdown was looming.

And did sanders also know about it or was she just privy to it because of her representation and ties to them?

What did you do before the crash to try to stop what we all knew was coming?

didn't happen.
Telling Wall Street to "cut it out" is not "trying" - IMO saying that is actually insulting to the voters and the people who were hurt.

If that is the latest thing - why didn't YOU personally stop fracking, stop cluster bombs, etc. - that is pathetic. And if people like me are supposed to stop Wall Street, and not their BFF - why the fuck do we need Hillary for anything?

I remember when they left the White House begging the public to donate money to pay their legal bills.

How she can even put this "effort" in her resume is beyond me.

She is saying she went to Wall Street and TOTALLY FAILED.

Then went back and took a few mil in speaking fees....

the weight of what she was saying?
She was that close that she knew, she could have done something to warn people who lost everything, something.

She was already there.

It's not fair to blame her alone for the 1% and their war on working families.

She is only one person participating by being Wall Street's paid helper. If it wasn't her it would just be someone else!

...

those of us who were paying any attention at all were very aware of a lot of what was going on in the home lending business. We didn't know the details, of course, but it was pretty common knowledge that there were subprime loans out there, that people were being given mortgages who had no business with one. And there was a general awareness of mortgages being sold off, although exactly what that was about wasn't apparent to most of us.

Home prices had skyrocketed in various places. Foreclosures were climbing. Subdivisions were being built but no one was buying in them.

And Hillary Clinton went to Wall Street and told them to stop. What an effective thing to do!

Besides, hadn't she already voted on legislation that made much of that crash possible? And she didn't exactly call for actual consequences of the trashing of the economy. Nope. They were bailed out at taxpayer expense, gave themselves huge bonuses and did nothing at all to help out the unfortunate homeowners caught by their criminality.

I would classify this debacle as a 'made it happen & let it happen'...

William Greider (I hope I spelled his name right) predicted the crash about a year before it happened, as well as the one before and I believe the one before that. plenty of people saw it coming but had no voice. Me? I listen to William and moved my 401 k out of stocks as did all our family and any one we could convince to listen to us. I lost nothing in the crash but only because my (very smart wife) forced me to read Greider. Of course my Union lost it's shirt and my pension was frozen...

Greider is one sharp cookie and a consistent teller of the truth. He has a hair-trigger bullshit detector, like Taibbi and Reich.

We sold everything, cashed out everything, moved to The Woods in 2006, and started growing our own food.
Wall Street can live or die without our money or concern.

bvar22 and Starkraven
Living Well on a low taxable income
and stuff we learned in the 60s.

Yanked all of my 401K from the stock market and put it into the Vanguard Stable Value Fund. Earned 0.5% that year--way better than having most of it go away. That's really all us peons who were forewarned could do.

We were slightly late and so lost maybe 10%, but others in our circle lost half or more.

of the coming debacle. It was very obvious to me, and I'm no kind of insider, didn't work at a bank or at a mortgage company or anything like that. But it was everywhere, and articles were written about the loans being written, the overbuilt housing, the huge run-up in prices. It was not hard to miss.

Plus, something similar had happened at least twice before in my adult life, in the 70's and then in the 90's. I guess most people just don't pay much attention to anything, and hardly anyone remembers anything that happened before last year's World Series. And it's that blissful ignorance of the past that is scary.

That is my reaction to her repeated statement claiming she warned the banks to cut it out. If this is true, then surely she has some written evidence of it. We know she asked for transcripts of every speech she gave. I think it's an opportunity for her to gain credibility with voters. But if you make a statement like that and then dodge the transcript question, the two things don't add up.

is that she doesn't owe anyone explanations or proof. It's the height of arrogance.

do with their investments in the next 48 hours? If they did
anything isn't that insider trading?

Let's give her the opportunity to show the voters how prescient she was. How do we start a campaign for Hillary to back up her statement?

Great! Is there any references or citation or proof that she went to wall street and told them they are "wrecking the economy"?
Before the crash?
Should be easily verified.

Proof? Are Senator's every move notated somewhere? I don't know...

My point is, I don't believe her. She would have been trumpeting that fact for the past 8 years if she had "gone to wall street" to "warn them about the crash they are about to cause".

I'm sure her speech transcripts will make it all clear, I can't wait to read them.

Both are very damning...

"I was the candidate who went to them and said you are wrecking our economy. What you are doing with mortgages is going to bring us down..."

Hillary Clinton - protecting Wall St from snipers like a pro.

last Tuesday (2/16).



http://freebeacon.com/politics/hillary-clinton-goes-back-to-well-hits-up-financial-industry-for-fundraisers/

You chose to make this a campaign issue. Prove it.

I would like to see Chelsea, wife of co-founder of hedge fund Eaglevale Partners and daughter-in-law of the House Judiciary Committee member who spent time in federal prison for stealing $10,000,000 from investors, address this while stumping for Hillary.

Christ on a trailer hitch, they even got their daughter Married to the Mob.

....Chelsea and her family.

Do you have any proof for your claim?

It would be hard to believe that only Clinton was aware of the impending crash
to the point that she 'went to Wall St to tell them they are wrecking the economy'.

opened like the Red Sea for her, and Wall Street had nothing to do with that? On the other hand, she probably won't start an oil war.

daughter worked?

Maybe she was too stern with them. Maybe they just paid her to go away.

..while she was a Senator and running for president in 2008.

Judging from her commodity transactions she would have been dealing if she had anticipated the crash.

This could be a very interesting trail to follow.

Where did you find a list of her commodity transactions?

Liar in Chief

HRC seems to be remarkably unaware of the impact of
what she says before she says it . .

She chose to make an issue of Kissinger - a huge gift to Bernie.

And now, is "going to Wall St. before the crash" going to be a similar
faux paux?

Veterans For Peace

She didn't know shit. No way in hell she understood the problem. Most of the financial services industry didn't get it.

But if she did "know" then you'd be absolutely right. But I seriously doubt it.

here you go..................................Mrs. Clinton................................

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/11/wall-street-buying-foreclosed-homes

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/05/carrington-hedge-fund-foreclosure-rental

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/01/blackstone-rental-homes-bundled-derivatives

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-07-16/blackstone-dealmakers-line-up-for-clinton-in-money-race

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/06/private-equity-cedillo-housing

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/04/predatory-equity-wall-street-screwed-over-renters-new-york-city


Thank you Mrs. Clinton, for informing the public last night that you were well aware of what was going on.

The ramifications of this --------------here is a video, from 2009




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We the taxpayers were forced to give them all this money as a 'reward' for
screwing middle America.

But, what about all those people who lost their homes? Oh, Wall St
bought up all these homes at low prices.

Doubled screwed for us, doubly rewarding for the criminals on Wall St.

the taxpayers have been left holding this proverbial criminal bag for a long long time, if she was aware of this?

Then, why, in her god's name would you go to the same firms on Wall Street and take their money on the list that I posted on this thread, the ramifications of this awareness in that statement is amazing.

That statement she made last night almost made me throw up my root beer, this classicism, of me thinking that she did what, shake her finger at them and tell them to stop, that was the imagine that went through my left wing brain.

These same firms are now using these foreclosed property to basically throw people in the street and making this country a renters society, a full fledged debtors society, almost like a prisons.

They have and are continuing the march of the have's and the have not's, you see on the street everyday if someone has lost there job and standing with a card board sign saying homeless will work for food---------------it is amazing.

The people of this country all they want from the Indigenous People on the reservations to the joe or jane smoe sitting in car, or some child wishing that there water wasn't poisoned, or standing on that street corner---------economic fairness -----------it's that simple----------------don't rig the game---------------

And the MSM is doing what with this -----------------------there scared as hell of having a FDR Democratic ---Socialist running the country, they are scared s*************less.

Chuck Todd last night was beside himself when he questioned Sanders.

And, Sanders wasn't go to go down that road of some gotcha moment by Todd, looking for entertainment value from and for his oligarchy corporation that should be broken up just as well.

The basic foundation of this country has always been about basic home ownership, fairness, it is suppose to separates us from other countries that don't do this------------------amazing

Excuse my rant and my passion






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It is about getting a Progressive President, U.S. Supreme Court, Congress, State and Local Legislatures

Democracy begins with you-------------------tag your it---------------Hartmann / Sanders

Democracy is not a spectator sport----------------------get involved------------------Hartmann

a short rant with a lot of passion





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And watching it even from the safety of 2016 brought back horrible memories of what that was like. (The recession was pretty rough on our family, though not as rough as on many people's.) It was such a scary time, and when you don't have the benefit of hindsight you don't know when or whether it will ever, ever get better. I certainly hope it got better for Julio. He was so quiet and dignified... that really made me sad.

and everyone that was complicit in that stuff should have been thrown in jail.

He was like thousands that were promised that there would be a process to help them renegotiate the loans --------------------, not much is said now.

I wonder where he is now along with the others, Nevada is still reeling, and no one is answering as to why and how, My sister went through this out in California and had to fight tooth and nail to straighten it out and these same banks, and hedge fund managers are being allowed to go back into the market place after they paid billions in fines for this "stuff"
A convicted felon or someone that has admitted wrong doing either by a fine or is implicated in a crime cannot be in real estates business, my question is why they are being allowed now----------------that is so wrong

The public needs to remind some people that there should never be another fiasco like that again, and never to forget



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What action did she take in Congress to regulate the credit default swap trading? Bills proposed, hearings held? I would love to see them. Otherwise, it's just talk, and it's cheap.

increasingly repugnant. I have never voted Republican in my life & no way in hell would vote Republican this year. But I have to say, it would be a long painful two-minute walk to my polling place should this person get the Democratic nomination.

Maybe we could peel off a layer or two of 'the foil', and see that there is some kind of underlying, long range plan.

Never take your eyes from the billions spent on pys-ops, past reseach and current deployment of "ideas" by the military segment of the government machine.


Nah. "They" wouldn't do that................would "they"?

paranoid over WOO?
maybe
maybe not

My local supermarket sends me discount coupons based on my previous debit card purchases.
How far does that info go?
What sort of database?
Jeans and flannel shirt/column A----silk and jewelry/column B---camping gear/survival stuff/column C----------------


Homeland security-----yeh

We're all f**ked without some person exposing the under-layment.

Please, FSM (or whatever your 'higher' voice), let it be Bernie at the head of this awakening.

...from the likes of Citigroup and Goldman for her Senate campaigns. Now I'm just sure she called up Lloyd and told him to turn off the sub-prime, money making machine. And if you believe that.....

If she did know in advance, then it's damning that she didn't speak out publicly. I think many people realized the bubble was artificial, and was going to burst. I did, but didn't realize until afterwards, when a friend with PhDs in economics and finance explained to me, that it was deliberate.

...and do nothing about it. That's more than damning...

Some people knew what was going on, however, most people did not. Most
people did not know that America would enter the 2nd Great Republican Depression.

Depression? Yes. "Great Recession" is Depression.

Bush MADE HIM back off his actions against the NY banks, and then he was set up by somebody(?). But effectively stopped from pursuing corrective action before the crash.

But I agree with your statement -- what she keeps saying indicates that SHE KNEW.

I'd bet the ranch that she and Bill and the rest of those cronies knew when Bill opened up the Phil Gramm CFTB securitization bonanza.

Brooksley Born certainly knew, and warned them all, and they shoved her aside and told her to shut up, and went forward with it.

We knew and tried to stop it in NY. And what happened to him? He was brought down hard and fast.

Discredited too so he wouldn't have credibility after that. Standard operating procedure.

Look ... i'm not a big Hillary fan but to imply that she allowed this catastrophe to unfold is going too far.

According to Clinton's statement, she went to Wall St before the crash and said they were wrecking the economy and knew about the mortgages.

If she knew all this and did nothing, well, what does that tell you?

I'm with you. There is no evidence that proves this. However, I would like to see these comments she made at the Town Hall fleshed out a little more. When did she go to Wall Street? If she went to Wall Street did she then talk about it to the public? Is there video somewhere? What is date of the first video where she talked about this?

https://www.animmex.co/video/12928/the-big-short-2015

I didn't see Hillary.

...and it won't be the last.

Very interesting story. NASDAQ was mentioned but the problem was with all
of 'Wall St'.

It seems many Congress people were aware of what was going on including
Democrats. But nobody did anything about it. And it certainly was not brought
to the people's attention by anybody. The Establishment let this happen.

Interesting to note; Clinton voted for the $700B Tarp bailout - Sanders voted no.

HER $$$$ so they would be safe & productive.

I'm sure her buddies took care of eveyone who had special "Goldman Handcuffs"

Wink, Wink, Nudge, Nudge.

It inspired a very informative discussion!



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I am glad people responded.