2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumElizabeth Warren Needs To Stand Up And Endorse Bernie Sanders NOW
BEFORE Super Tuesday... IF she truly cares about America...restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)if she does not stand up for her principles, i have to wonder if she has principles any longer...
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)This Mass. resident has noticed, it's a bit odd.
I don't really care which way she goes but she should show support for someone.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)but yeah, time to show some conviction, one way or the other.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)But what better way to fundraise then to sit on a fence and not piss off either side... Seems that ability is waning.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)and i don't often say this, but i am glad i am getting older. i would not want to see the results of the final takeover of the ruling class in this country.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)but its a sad situation.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Watch Video!!!
There were also reports of supposed precinct volunteers registering new Democratic voters and automatically marking their preference for Hillary Clinton. Reddit user PPG113, who was caucusing at precinct 6686, alleged one precinct volunteer was working in tandem with the Clinton campaign:
registered early, followed directions at my caucus location. Had to reregister and the person copying my info attempted to marked me down for a differnt person than I told them. Only corrected after bringing it up 3 times
The Volunteer was at the express desk, and no one seemed to know that were SUPPOSE to also still allow democratic party registration, though that is a different matter. Said volunteer clicked on hillary on his screen when I told him clearly Bernie, he froze, and on my third repeat, he corrected it as I stared at him. What, if anything it changes, I do not know since it was not my ballet sheet he was marking. After an hour or so, he happened to walk into my precinct and to the Hillary groups tables.
And as US Uncut reported earlier today, Hillary Clinton supporters were seen changing into t-shirts made to look like the t-shirts worn by members of National Nurses United, which is one of Bernie Sanders most ardent union supporters.
The consumer website FreshDesk has launched a platform for observers to report irregularities at the Nevada caucus. The Sanders campaign has an official hotline, 702-778-4336, which supporters can use to report any issues getting in the way of voting.
Tom Cahill is a writer for US Uncut based in the Pacific Northwest. He specializes in coverage of political, economic, and environmental news. You can contact Tom via email at tom.v.cahill@gmail.com.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Besides, if anything, Sanders' fundraising should have shown her people who have principles can raise money without going to traditional sources.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Video Shows HILLARY Caucus goers Voting WITHOUT REGISTERING!
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)brooklynite
(94,360 posts)I mean, he's not the sort to let cheating go on, (if it happened)?
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Incredible! In just a few days, more than 75,000 Democracy for America members have joined Elizabeth Warren's urgent petition calling on Congress to prevent Pfizer's attempt to dodge paying taxes.
That's a great showing, but we need to get more people on board to stop Pfizer and other corporations from abandoning America.
No Elizabeth... It is high time that you take a stand with the principled candidate running for President. Stop being risk averse and trying to protect your own political fortunes and act on behalf of the people in concert with your stated principles.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)she has endorsed his policies. now she needs to endorse HIM
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Vinca
(50,237 posts)gwheezie
(3,580 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)and it's gonna bounce right off the road!
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Liz... Take yer pick... Who Are you with?
seaglass
(8,171 posts)sheshe2
(83,654 posts)I met her and voted for her!
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)the coming meltdowns are going to be spectacular.
Sid
PM Martin
(2,660 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Quite clearly compulsive in this regard...
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(2,546 posts)integrity is not worth a good s***!
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)DavidDvorkin
(19,468 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Nedsdag
(2,437 posts)The Democratic establishment will put so much pressure on her, she won't be able to make a move.
More political cynicism.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Between Union STRONG ARM tactics, engineered long lines to participate resulting in people having to bail out to return to work as well as the Clinton inside shenanigans of misdirection by Clinton workers the whole thing in Clark County was tainted to a considerable degree. Let's see what the primary secret ballots bring us.
Senator Elizabeth Warren needs to demonstrate her mettle... or fade into the background...
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)CorporatistNation
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gwheezie
(3,580 posts)I agree it would be great for Sanders if she did endorse him but what if she doesn't want to?
mcar
(42,278 posts)Or, maybe more people chose Hillary. Just a thought.
ismnotwasm
(41,967 posts)Wait what?
LuvLoogie
(6,933 posts)and Democrats in Congress to get a major initiative accomplished. She maintains her leverage and capital across the Democratic spectrum.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)All SHOW and NO GO... if she stands pat or instead endorses THE CORPORATIST Candidate!
LuvLoogie
(6,933 posts)You want a horse to pull your wagon? Maybe you should get out and push.
jsmirman
(4,507 posts)she doesn't exist just to meet your purity standards.
stopbush
(24,392 posts)establishment support. He already has the influenced-by-Elizabeth Warren vote.
At this point there is no advantage to her to endorse BS as his chances of being president just dropped off the radar.
Ron Green
(9,822 posts)That's going against the concept, you know?
brooklynite
(94,360 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)brooklynite
(94,360 posts)In the meantime, I'll go with:
Sen. Elizabeth Warren delivered influential support Monday for Hillary Clinton's proposal to expand regulation of the banking and financial services industries.
Warren said she welcomes Clintons warning that Republicans are trying to use the current government spending bill to weaken regulations. The liberal Massachusetts Democrat has declined to endorse anyone in the Democratic presidential primary so far.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/12/07/elizabeth-warren-praises-hillary-clintons-wall-street-plan/
Sen. Elizabeth Warren says she hopes Hillary Rodham Clinton runs for president in 2016 the latest in a series of declarations of support by the Massachusetts Democrat, who some have speculated could seek the Oval Office herself.
"All all of the women Democratic women I should say of the Senate urged Hillary Clinton to run, and I hope she does. Hillary is terrific," Warren said during an interview broadcast Sunday on ABC's "This Week," noting that she was one of several senators to sign a letter urging Clinton to run in 2016.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2014/04/27/elizabeth-warren-i-hope-hillary-clinton-runs-for-president/
senz
(11,945 posts)Your first quote is Warren trying to encourage Hillary's "show" of regulatory support. She knows as well as anyone that Hill is bought and sold, but D.C. is a small world and Elizabeth has to play the game.
Your second quote is meaningless collegiality among female Democratic senators.
This, however, took courage on Warren's part, and it speaks volumes:
brooklynite
(94,360 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)I don't think there's anything further for us to say to one another.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)brooklynite
(94,360 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)Blue_Adept
(6,393 posts)I, as one of her actual constituents, appreciate her staying out of it and not swaying opinion.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Blue_Adept
(6,393 posts)Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)I don't think I can stand to see the oligarchs rejoicing any longer. Apparently the people in the country just love being shit on.
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)The Powers That Be "Appoint" Hillary Clinton Incorporated at OUR shared Peril!
book_worm
(15,951 posts)even though they probably agree more. That is probably why she isn't endorsing anyone.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Warren does NOT want to upset the AIPAC preferred candidate for the Democratic Nomination!
earthshine
(1,642 posts)There's something wrong with elected officials endorsing other elected officials. This "recursion" creates factionalism within the parties and alienates voters. It also helps to solidify what we call the establishment.
For me, it really sucks to be on the opposing team from Al Franken, Barbara Boxer, John Lewis, and others.
We don't pay elected officials to campaign for others. We pay them to be in their offices reading bills. How many times have we heard, "I voted for the bill, but I never read it"?
Ms. Warren has earned tremendous respect from us in the past. Respect her choice now, so that she may remain untarnished voice for the progressive movement.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)in office. That is some MAJOR bullshit.
earthshine
(1,642 posts)I've never heard her described as self-serving. This endorsement business is disgusting.
You can clarify or let it go. It's all okay.
It's been a rough day for team Bernie.
Peace.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Whether or not she chooses to endorse anyone is her personal decision. The notion that she'll cease being a national figure if she doesn't choose sides now is ludicrous.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Quite Simple really...
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)re "inequality." Clinton on INEQUALITY? Laughable...
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)oasis
(49,330 posts)trying to get on board the Titanic.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)on how and when to throw a person under the bus.
Sanders has many more places to make his case. The fat lady may claim a victory, but it ain't over until it's over.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)She needs to make a stand.
gemlake
(581 posts)Give it time.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)I'm hoping she "puts her money where her mouth is" and endorses him asap, but if she doesn't that will still show us where she really stands, which is worth knowing too. I'm losing patience lately with finding out so many highly esteemed leaders are actually frauds and sell outs.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Who can be TRUSTED to actually at least TRY and do what he says that he will do! Bernie Sanders!
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)aikoaiko
(34,163 posts)If not winning the nomination, Bernie is at least blazing a trail that she or someone else might use in the future.
Not endorsing the HRC machine during the primary is enough for me.
JI7
(89,240 posts)TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)She might think that a endorsing Sanders will divide the party if he loses the primaries;
but that's inevitable at this point.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)loyalsister
(13,390 posts)She will have to work with the winner. It would be stupid for any politician with a very high profile to endorse in such a contentious primary.
George II
(67,782 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)sheshe2
(83,654 posts)BEFORE Super Tuesday... IF she truly cares about America...
Are you telling her how to vote? I think she gets to decide.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)She either has the courage or she does not... Want to be a Kingmaker Liz? Yes or No?
Or is THIS the character of your preferred candidate?
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)113. The Political Morality Of The Situation Demands Her To Take A Stand NOW Not After Race is Decided!
She either has the courage or she does not... Want to be a Kingmaker Liz? Yes or No?
Or is THIS the character of your preferred candidate?
Who is the political morality? I want names and I want links as to who they are. YOU DEMAND that she vote as you say? You DEMAND THAT! WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TO SAY HOW SHE VOTES?
Also you call her Liz, is she your closest BFF? If not show her a little respect. Her name is Senator Elizabeth Warren from the great State of Massachusetts. She is my Senator. I met with her and voted for her. Are you putting the little woman in her place? It appears that you are.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)brooklynite
(94,360 posts)You are invited to join Congresswoman Nydia M. Velazquez, along with special guest, Senator Elizabeth Warren, as we celebrate Nydia's 63rd birthday:
When: Monday March 21st, 2016
-5:30pm Host Committee Reception
-6:00pm General Reception
Where: Battery Gardens Restaurant
Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)Yes, anybody who doesn't think Sanders is the best thing since sliced bread doesn't care about the U.S.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Possibly the weeks before the convention. We have seen a clear pattern whith what happens when people endorse Clinton. I would rather she not endorse Clinton right now as the Clinton Administration will benefit from Warren holding a lot of clout.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)I have trouble imagining anyone who's a Warren fan who's not already supporting Sanders. Can you describe a hypothetical voter who is like that?
(This is also why she'd make a bad VP pick for Sanders: I can't think of any new voters she brings to the table for him.)
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Still would be if she endorsed Sanders tomorrow. I don't see her endorsing until it's a done deal.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)by endorsing Clinton down the road, but I can't think of a reason she would endorse Sanders unless he had it wrapped up; it doesn't do any good for him.
senz
(11,945 posts)Happy Saturday.
I've seen you do that before but can't figure out if it means you're upset, or defensive, or simply rude.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)While not wanting to take on a debate.
Happy Saturday. Seriously. Lol
senz
(11,945 posts)Happy Saturday going on Sunday.
LuvLoogie
(6,933 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)She is despised by the vast majority of Americans. Her rating for character and honesty could not get any worse...
She is patently unfit to be President. Her only cause to be President is that she wants the power and the line on her personal achievement list. This ain't over yet PERIOD! And the cheating that went on today was appalling! Adding an exclamation point to the whole sorry pile.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)that is not already supporting Sanders? I find that difficult to imagine.
ChimpersMcSmirkers
(3,328 posts)book_worm
(15,951 posts)Warren will be the next one thrown under the bus.
senz
(11,945 posts)She is not going to risk further angering the Clinton machine at this point. If Clinton manages to swindle a primary win, even if she loses in the GE, things could be unpleasant for Senator Warren -- whom we need to be as effective as possible in the Senate.
She's fine as is.
brooklynite
(94,360 posts)Another political coward, I take it?
senz
(11,945 posts)She is not a political coward.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)itsrobert
(14,157 posts)This is really sad.
senz
(11,945 posts)and your "really sad" remark has a familiar "concern" ring to it.
Please take these games somewhere else.
Thanks.
merrily
(45,251 posts)PM Martin
(2,660 posts)She is a Democrat. She will support the eventual nominee, Hillary.
Bohemianwriter
(978 posts)she will sell out her principles if Hillary wins...?
Hekate
(90,561 posts)Beacool
(30,247 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Will endorse Hillary soon.
So will Bernie as far as that goes.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)I can't understand how so many who "claim" to be Democrats, liberals, and progressives, can constantly throw well like Democrats under the bus because they have not come out and supported Bernie. Warren has done a great job in the Senate, she had a huge following that wanted her to run, and now she is being attacked for NOT endorsing anyone. Maybe she has her own reasons for not endorsing, but so far the only side I have seen even suggesting he "HAS TO" endorse their candidate is the radical Bernie crowd. I don't lump all of those who support Bernie into the "radical" group. There a many here who support Bernie with the trashing and bashing of the "other "candidate", and who I am sure would never throw someone like Warren under the bus.
I think it says a lot about anyone who is ready to toss her simply for doing what she feels is right. GDP is really going off the cliff with post like this.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)Endorse Bernie OR ELSE. Right. I bet she's really scared.
Oh yeah, some people need this: