Dolores Huerta: Bernie Sanders supporters 'don't know who I am'

[bravenak]

http://www.latintimes.com/dolores-huerta-bernie-sanders-supporters-dont-know-who-i-am-370823

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

1. Well, that's because they're all so young and ignorant and naive, right?

As Hillary and her surrogates keep helpfully pointing out any chance they get.

[bravenak]

12. They are millennials like myself

I study my history and white history and the history of all immigrants and movements, art, politics, film, whatever. I am informed. It is up to them to inform themselves they are adults now. No excuse not to know or learn their Subjects. Nobody is going to hold their hands and stop them from making huge mistakes. And harassing civil rights icons of color is a mistake if the votes of our group are NEEDED.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

15. We'll take the votes of whoever is willing to give them.

And hope that's enough. Anybody that wants to vote differently, that's their business. I always tell folks to vote their own self-interest. If we all did that, the 1%ers would have a hell of a lot less power and influence.

[Duckhunter935]

2. so she should not be held to account for her

Words?

[bravenak]

8. She should not be bullied

[Duckhunter935]

20. I agree but she should

Be held accountable for her incorrect statements that she had to reverse.

[bravenak]

22. Respectfully

[Duckhunter935]

23. always, that goes for everyone

[Hoppy]

33. How 'bout, "She should not have lied?"

[bravenak]

37. She should not be bullied even if she mispoke

[AzDar]

57. At minimum, she should apologize. Surely you realize that...

[bravenak]

64. She already clarified and the bullying continues

She is not the one who needs to apologize at this point.

[noamnety]

118. She should have apologized.

And she could have so easily done it graciously.

Instead of letting her original false accusations stand, and quietly tweaking the story in subsequent accounts without acknowledging the lie/mistake, she could have gotten through this with her reputation unharmed. All she had to do was say "I looked at the video, and in the heat, chaos and excitement of the moment I misinterpreted what happened. The rules prohibited a partisan translator, when that was pointed out, the moderator asked me to step down to be in compliance with the rules. I originally said that Bernie supporters demanded that the event would be in English only - and that was entirely incorrect - they actually tried to provide a translator as well."

People would have laid off if she'd done that instead of pulling a Capehart.

[bravenak]

120. People should be apologizing

But not HER

[noamnety]

124. You can't put out a false accusation against an entire group of people

leave it hanging out there, and then demand that they apologize to you. Life just doesn't work that way, no matter what your background is.

[bravenak]

125. False my foot

[noamnety]

127. Well, either you believe her first account

or you believe her second. One of the statements she made wasn't true.

[bravenak]

129. I belive a mix of the two

[noamnety]

147. Do you think everything in both the first and second accounts was true?

Or maybe some of what was in the first account was wrong?

[bravenak]

148. I heard the comments in one of the videos better than the first one

Both accounts make sense in context

[yardwork]

82. And she didn't misspeak. Her account is accurate.

[bravenak]

94. I agree

[AgingAmerican]

107. She didn't 'Misspeak"

She lied

[bravenak]

117. She saw what I saw

[yardwork]

78. I saw the videos and her account is accurate, overall.

Huerta was shouted off the stage after offering to translate. The moderator yelled "English only!" and the crowd cheered.

That's what happened. That's appalling.

And then Susan Sarandon yelled at her.

[Cali_Democrat]

3. She's right.

If they did, they wouldn't have thrown her under the bus.

They also seem to be unfamiliar with Cecile Richards, John Lewis, Planned Parenthood, SEIU and Jim Clyburn.

[bravenak]

6. No sense of history

If not for John Lewis, I might not even be able to go in Mc Donalds and order food from the counter in some places. They do not realize how much we owe those whose shoulders we stand upon.

[SheenaR]

10. Keep floating this lazy meme

We can appreciate and admire (even us Caucasians) the struggles and sacrifices made by those people over time. We can also disagree with their opinions and viewpoints without disrespecting them and most of us do that.

You lump every supporter into one category.

[bravenak]

24. Who are 'those people'? The activists or who?

[SheenaR]

164. I meant the people specifically listed in the OP

Sorry if "those people" was careless.

[mcar]

25. I wonder if it's due

at least in part, to kids not getting history lessons anymore. With the focus on STEM and standardized testing, there's very little room in the school day for history.

I've been on the soapbox about this for years. When we lose track of our history, we lose something of ourselves.

[Chakab]

4. I know who exactly who she is, and what she's done. That doesn't make her immune from

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criticism for pushing dishonest bullshit in order to support Hillary.

This game that people like Huerta and Lewis are playing is only hurting the continuing Civil Rights struggle.

[bravenak]

9. Fine.

[ozone_man]

59. More than fine.

Truth.

[840high]

130. .^that

[EffieBlack]

132. Huerta's and Lewis' lifetimes of activism don't immunize them from being harshly attacked for making

comments some people disagreed with and/or didn't like.

On the other hand, Bernie's trip to Washington to watch Dr. King give a speech, organizing a sit-in and getting arrested and fined $25 50 years ago completely immunizes him from even the suggestion that he has not "fought for civil rights his entire life."

[wildeyed]

5. Truthfully,

I didn't either, until this kerfuffle. She is flat-out amazing, a civil rights and feminist icon.

[bravenak]

7. I only knew cause Im from Cali

[wildeyed]

34. Nah, I should have known about this person already.

She is a great warrior for justice. Someone who put her life and body on then line for what she believes in. And a feminist too. I gotta know more now.

Sad that she is taking flak. In politics-land, some things you should let go. This was one the Bern camp should have let die on it's own. Dunno who is right or wrong, but better not to fight against social justice legends. The optics are always bad on that. But oh well.... At least I got to learn about her. I will find a biography to read too.

I was born in Cali too, Oakland specifically, but moved away when I was still a kid. Still have fam there. Such a beautiful state and such a rich social history....

[bravenak]

47. Jrleft is from round that way, Oaktown

We did the thing where we went to all the missions and stuff like that. Learned about the grape strike. I was usually in those mixed language classes because apparently I spoke both at home and my english was worse than my Spanish.
But I got to learn a lot about chicano history. It was cool.
I need to read more on her. If she was a painter I'd know it all. Sigh.

[tk2kewl]

11. And apparently people in NC don't know who Bernie is

I guess there are a lot of people who need to pay more attention

[bravenak]

16. Up to him to make himself politically Attractive

[NWCorona]

13. No one is beyond criticism.

It should be civil tho

[bravenak]

17. Thats all I want

[gwheezie]

14. Yet we're supposed to credit Bernie

With his marching and speeching 50 odd years ago and he is off limits.

[bravenak]

18. Swear to God, its true

[Chakab]

19. No, you're just supposed to acknowledge that he's a person who has been sensitive to the struggles

of POC for the entirety of his life rather than characterizing him as some obtuse, racially insensitive communist who ran off to Vermont after black people started moving into his neighborhood.

[EffieBlack]

134. I think most people will agree that he has been "sensitive" to these struggles

But many of us, including me, resent being told that he has been fighting for civil rights his whole life, when that's just not true. There's a wide gulf between being supportive of civil rights and fighting for civil rights.

And whatever anyone thinks of him, he DID move to Vermont. I have no idea why he move there, but when he had a choice to make, he chose to move to a part of the country where there were very few people of color. Not the necessarily the behavior of a racist or bigot (and there is no reason to think that Bernie is either) but it's also not the choice of someone who is down with fighting for the cause of civil rights for minorities.

[Chakab]

154. Honestly, I find posts like this to be baffling. How are claims that may be inaccurate as to the

exact number of years of Sanders' life that were spent fighting for civil rights or the very fact of residence in Vermont supposed to be any more offensive than the fact that Hillary took a giant shit on black America in the last election cycle when it became politically expedient to do so?

When you can find me tape of Bernie talking about how he moved to Vermont because he's always enjoyed the company of "hard working white Americans," I might take you seriously.

[SidDithers]

21. DU rec...nt

Sid

[HooptieWagon]

26. She got paid by Clinton ($100,000 in 2010 at minimum), and then lied for her.

I guess if she's willing to sell out her legacy for a sack of gold, there's not much more to consider.

[bravenak]

27. Very rude

[hoosierlib]

43. And yet also true...hmmm

Apparently Black Lives Matter, but facts and conflicts of interest don't...

[bravenak]

50. Our lives matter more than whatever

[basselope]

56. Nothing matters more than...

[rbrnmw]

60. WTF????????

That is disgusting

[hoosierlib]

62. What is? That people are too blinded by politics to see hypocrisy and they are being used?

Because that doesn't happen...ever...

[brush]

51. Are you fu_king serious with this?

It was a donation 6 years ago to the Delores Huerta Foundation (an organization that helps uplift less fortunate people), from a larger Clinton charity and you insinuate outright that she pocketed 100k.

Do you have any idea at all how disrepectful that is? That you just accused her of taking a bribe then making good on the bribe six years later at a caucus event? That these accusations are costing Sanders votes from the second largest dem voting block just in time for SC and super Tuesday?

Not smart at all.

[PeaceNikki]

54. No, *she* didn't get paid. A contribution to her very worthy foundation was made.

[hoosierlib]

28. I know who you are, you have been giving the Clinton Global Initiative hunders of thousands of $$$

You are also a 84-year old civil rights activists who happens to be a partisan hack who starts and spreads lies in order to influence voters...

Enjoy your second 15 minutes of fame and all of the trolling you so richly deserve...

[bravenak]

31. .

[betsuni]

41. Now that I know who you are, can I borrow a hunder dollars? Pay you back next week.

[bravenak]

136. Hee hee!

[wildeyed]

46. Really?1?1!!?

Can I have your autograph!

[R B Garr]

32. So now Huerta's core constituents don't matter either?

Amazing how flippant the Sanders campaign is with core constituencies of the Democratic party.

[hoosierlib]

42. Who would that be? Clinton sycophants?

Because she sure as hell doesn't represent millennial Latinos (p.s. they are overwhelmingly voting for Bernie)...

[R B Garr]

49. Dolores Huerta quote: "Bernie Sanders supporters don't know who I am."

Indeed they don't. But at least you are showing without a doubt what many have noticed for many months regarding Sanders lack of outreach. Good show.

[hoosierlib]

53. Lol...keep feeding the meme and enjoy the inevitable...

Either Bernie beats Shrillary or she goes down in flames in the GE...

[R B Garr]

58. Ooh, yes, I'll stick with the core constituents of the Democratic party, not some

vascillating anger memes that change with the winds.

[mcar]

45. Wow!

[PeaceNikki]

61. She's spent decades helping people. Your reply shows your pure ignorance of her accomplishments.

Educate yourself.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1943796

[hoosierlib]

67. Great, she helped people and now she is spreading lies along with America Ferraro

Doesn't change anything...

[PeaceNikki]

71. Hell yeah, she "helped people". She's basically the Latina MLK

Keep dismissing her, it will not help Sanders with the Latino vote, that's for damn sure.

[bravenak]

75. +1

[hoosierlib]

76. More Latino MLK than Caesar Chavez?

Maybe, but mostly older Latinos (i.e. 45+)

[PeaceNikki]

86. As. She worked with him. Had four kids with his brother.

Seriously, educate yourself on her life work before your reduce her to the shit you are.

JFC, she was with Bobby Kennedy when he was shot.

[hoosierlib]

91. Doesn't change anything...she is still intentionally spreading lies in order to create outrage...

Oldest trick in the political playbook and I'll her 84-year old ass out again if she continues to do it...

I'm more than happy to debate facts, but when people intentionally cheat and deceive, you lose my respect...and then its game on!

[PeaceNikki]

96. The outrage should be the way she was and is being treated.

Again, keep it up, I'm sure trashing her will do wonders to help Sanders in the Latino community.

[hoosierlib]

98. She's a Clinton supporter, operative and donot...

She knowingly and willingly lied in order to promote her candidate and smear the supporters of her candidate's political rival...those are facts.

She's fair game...

[PeaceNikki]

112. If you feel justified in reducing her to that, it shows what an awful set of priorities you have.

You are doing a terrible job at advocating for your candidate with Latinos.

[hoosierlib]

115. Thankfully they give a shit what I say...and neither should you...

Again, for me its about fairness and truthfulness...Hillary and Dolores exemplify neither...

[yardwork]

101. Huerta has not told any lies.

This statement is false.

[hoosierlib]

104. Bullshit...I've seen the supposed video...

The boos and claps were in direct response to Clinton operative (wearing a Clinton 2016 t-shirt) jumping up on stage to translate English into Spanish. The boos were the result of the moderator stating that "I'm sure half of the people here understand Spanish" and the claps were in approval of him backing down. There was NOTHING racist about it...

[Lucinda]

151. There is more than one video. n/t

[yardwork]

87. What a hateful post.

[hoosierlib]

102. And every bit of it true...

She knowingly and willingly spread lies in order to smear the supporters of her candidate's opponent...

[EffieBlack]

135. Sanders must be so proud to have you on his team.

[hoosierlib]

149. Oh snap...that hurt...

[jillan]

29. Oh give it a break. We know who you are Dolores

Just don't like this angry person that you've become

[bravenak]

30. Susan looked much angrier

[jillan]

35. She had every right to be angry she was documenting the truth

[bravenak]

38. Looked HORRIBLE

Its playing on a loop pretty much in some spanish language news. Not going over well.

[lunamagica]

44. No, Susan was lying. She told Dolores that Sanders voted only against the guest workers portion

of the immigration bill, when in fact he voted against the whole bill.

[yardwork]

90. Sarandon revealed herself to be a privileged twit.

[lunamagica]

36. No they don't know. Imagine someone trying to teach her about immigration reform!

[bravenak]

39. Oh God!

[TheLogicalSong]

40. Uh oh.

Then she sure didn't make a good first impression.

[Jarqui]

48. Who you are is not an acceptable excuse to lie to fellow Americans, Dolores nt

[bravenak]

69. And her misspeaking is no excuse for thousands to bully and harass her

[noamnety]

109. "Misspeaking"

Misspeaking is when you mean to say one word and it comes out another. I see it misused a lot recently to sugarcoat saying something other than the truth.

Can we stop using that to mean being wrong or dishonest?

[bravenak]

113. She was correct

I saw what she saw

[Jarqui]

137. She didn't misspeak. She tried to deceive Americans. She smeared an honest man.

She intentionally misinformed an electorate right before an election.

Pointing that out is not bullying. Nobody gets a free pass for dishonest behavior.

Nobody.

I'm not going to debate this again. The case against her is blatant.

I do not give a damn what she has done in the past. She cannot get up on a stage and deceive people about a man's record and then turn around and say "you can't call me out or criticize me for lying because a few years ago, I was a great leader for civil rights"

It's doesn't work that way. Doing something good doesn't give someone a license to turn around and lie for the rest of their life.

If I recall correctly (vaguely), didn't she do something like this to Obama (maybe not as bad)?

[bravenak]

138. I watched the vids

She had it mostly right

[Jarqui]

144. So did I. She's a liar. nt

[bravenak]

145. Not

[basselope]

52. I know she is a liar.

[bravenak]

68. She misheard and confused the mod with the other who were yelling at her

She should not still be getting hate notes

[basselope]

77. Bull and the stuff that comes out of a bull after it eats.

I don't believe for a MOMENT she heard anyone chanting "English Only"

Her exact words: "I offered to translate & Bernie supporters chanted English only! We fought too long & hard to be silenced Si Se Puede! #ImwithHer #NVcaucus"

EVEN if she misheard someONE saying "neutral". Even if her current story is true, her tweet is STILL a lie because it is doesn't even match up with her current explanation of confusing the mod with other people yelling "neutral".

The video proved that she lied.

No one should THREATEN her, but she brought ridicule upon herself when she willfully and knowingly told a lie to try and bolster her candidate.

[bravenak]

81. The mod said it on video

[basselope]

88. So her claim now is that she confused a single mod with a group of people CHANTING??!?

Is this the new story she is running with????

[bravenak]

92. They cheered the english only decision so yes

[basselope]

106. So them cheering the decision of not using a shill is the same as them CHANTING English Only?

Really? This how far you willing to go down that rabbit hole to defend the indefensible lie?

No threats should be made against her, but she has earned ALL the ridicule coming her way.

Simple rule. Don't LIE on the internet where people can catch you.

[bravenak]

126. Shill?

[basselope]

139. Yes... Thank the gods she wasnt allowed to translate

Given how far she went to lie on twitter who knows how much lower she would have sunk

[bravenak]

140. .

[basselope]

156. Reality is sad, isn't it.

Guess she didn't expect her lie to get caught.

[bravenak]

66. This helps Bernie how exactly?

[basselope]

83. It shows the depths that her supporters will sink to

[DemocraticWing]

63. We should really let this be.

That definitely goes for Bernie supporters too. We're digging a hole.

[bravenak]

65. Once the bullying stops, it will end

[yourpaljoey]

70. Well, first and foremost, she is a liar; let's deal with that first

[bravenak]

74. Lets not and say we did

[basselope]

85. No... let's actually address that she lied.

Even her current explanation shows her first statement was a lie.

[Starry Messenger]

72. Well, each response is another hundred Latino votes lost for Bernie.

Can't wait to tweet *this* thread.

[bravenak]

73. I'll tweet it too, I took my twitter off private for a few

[Starry Messenger]

89. And no stacked juries on twitter.

[bravenak]

100. Best part

[FrenchieCat]

153. I'm doing the same....

Getting lotsa of feedback and follows!

[melman]

110. Right

Of course it is.

[Starry Messenger]

114. Great, glad we agree!

[7wo7rees]

79. Admire your passion, but getting incredibly tiresome, dear

one. Lighten up. Please.

Starting to appear to be obsessive and relentless.

= again, tiresome.

[bravenak]

84. I am fine, you can use your ignore function

[7wo7rees]

93. Have never used it, ever. This time maybe you are right.

Good luck. I see another time out in your future.

[bravenak]

97. Have a good one

[d_legendary1]

80. ...

[Chasstev365]

95. June 4, 1968

You were with Bobby Kennedy when he was murdered at the Ambassador East Hotel in LA on one of the worst nights in US History. So with the first serious African American running for President in 2008, were you not sickened when Hillary evoked the death of RFK as a reason to stay in the race?

[LittleBlue]

99. To be fair, very few people know who she is

It's sad that she chose to make thousands of first impressions as a liar.

[lunamagica]

161. Let me correct this for you. Very few anglos know who she is. She is a true hero to the Latino

community

[dr60omg]

103. I know who you are (I have photos of my parents with you and Chavez) but what Anglos seem to forget

is that we all recognize that her legacy was compromised a long time ago. The attacks on Sanders follow a pattern and it is kind of ironic that Huerta used the same attack on the President in 2008. Actually, Huerta also became not only close with the Clintons but with the very white very bourgeois bunny tail Gloria Steinem who said the ridiculous statement in 2008 of gender being more important than race which is patently absurd since these factors all inter-animate together ... it is not only race it is social class, ethnicity, language, region, age cohort, religion, and on and on that create a world view or perspective. Nevertheless, rather than looking at Latin Times I think you ought to be looking at the very even handed reporting done in Latino Rebels and the comments and history of donations to her foundation and the radio interview http://www.latinorebels.com/2016/02/21/dolores-huertas-english-only-moment-at-caucus-what-happened-last-night-in-las-vegas/

Even more interesting was an online journal which seems well sourced that has been making the rounds with people in the know the past couple of days https://siglodelucha.wordpress.com/2014/11/17/the-politics-of-opportunism-and-capitulation-the-myth-of-dolores-huerta/ Please read it very carefully it will explain to you the history of what happened ....

The question is who are the people who keep posting this same silly story. To say that our children don't know who heroes and heroines are is disingenuous to say that they understand power relations, self-interest and how power corrupts does not transform their accomplishments ....

A very simple example is how this works it is the Clintonian playbook precisely take an icon who owes you a favor and have them come out for you and blast Sanders civil and union rights record. And then walk it back slowly and quietly without the press picking up on it ... For example Huerta said something about the 2007 bill which is a blatant lie because the unions were against the bill as well as other immigration activist groups like LULAC because it proposed the use of day labor (aka slave labor) which is not unconscionable. Note: Huerta did not say a thing about the overthrow of the President of Honduras precipitated by Clinton or what she did when she stood looking at children who were refugees in cages being sent back to certain death. I suppose that is because Americans have very short historic memories. Now you are telling me that Luis Gutierrez is an Immigration champion or Xican@ Latino Mexican-American rights champion? Really? Who did he support for mayor in Chicago? How does his ratings score next to Senator Sanders (Sanders scores higher) and interestingly he is an American since he is Puerto Rican. So it is not a question of immigration from Puerto
Rico to the US. However, when you look at Xican@ Congresspeople like Raul Grijalva from embattled Arizona and Salazar from Colorado guess what they both support Sanders. And, young people our hope in Nevada for Congress Lucy Flores is supporting Senator Sanders.

I am not saying that Huerta or Lewis are not historically iconic but I have said this before their iconic status does not make them saints they are human. I implore you to read the 2 articles that I connected you to ... they are important reads.

[AgingAmerican]

105. She doesn't get a pass on lying

She is still full of crap.

[bravenak]

123. No, shes not

[1StrongBlackMan]

108. I would suggest ...

it's not that they don't know who she is ... they don't care who she is being she is not feeling the bern.

[bravenak]

119. LOLOLOL

Gotta feel it
Or
This message was hidden by....

[rbrnmw]

155. right gotta feel it or

[PeaceNikki]

128. That's true. And frankly not caring is far uglier than not knowing who she is.

[dinkytron]

111. And Goldman Sachs does?

[bravenak]

121. .

[pandr32]

116. Well--they should!

[bravenak]

122. I think so

[840high]

131. Unrec for milking this to death.

[roody]

133. Not clicking, but I've known who she is

all my adult life.

[Armstead]

141. If these surrogates would learn that if they simply praised Clinton....

instead of insulting Sanders and his supporters, they'd probably get a lot more respectful treatment

[Hell Hath No Fury]

142. As a San Franciscan I am DEEPLY aware of who she is.

Her activism is legendary here. It was in my town she was brutally attacked by a member of the SFPD and had her spleen ruptured and ribs broken by a baton hit.

And I am still a Bernie supporter, and one who is willing to give her the benefit of the doubt that she misheard/misunderstood what was going down at the caucus. For now.

[bravenak]

143. Thank you

[wildeyed]

146. Perfect response!

[bigtree]

150. k&r

[HassleCat]

152. We have to trust people until they prove untrustworthy.

Dolores Huerta has a lifetime of constructive, progressive activity behind her, and probably still ahead of her, as well. Although she is a Clinton supporter, there is no reason to think she would mis-translate anything to deceive people.

[basselope]

158. There was no reason to think she would lie so openly on Twitter either.

But she did.

[HassleCat]

160. I don't think she did.

It appears she thought she was being shouted down, forced off the rostrum.

[basselope]

162. That's not what she said.

She tweeted that Bernie Sanders supporters were chanting "English Only".

She KNEW that wasn't true.

She was being "shouted down", b/c they wanted an IMPARTIAL translator, not a Clinton shill and NO ONE shouted English Only. When no impartial translator could be found, the moderator said English Only.

She re-told this story (not realizing there was video) in a way that completely distorted reality and was an obvious lie.

[Live and Learn]

157. Dear Ms. Huerta,

You did what was right to do. What anyone should have done. Good for you. But please don't hold yourself out as some icon, it isn't becoming.

[lunamagica]

163. She is an icon. Perhaps not to you, but for millions of Latinos, she certanly is an icon

[bobbobbins01]

159. Aww, her ego is showing.

Like a celebrity getting pulled over by a cop.