Sanders supporters do realize we can go back and read what you thought of BLM last year, right?

[LexVegas]

When a Sanders event was disrupted?

[Matt_in_STL]

1. Cool

Now back to the issues

[Fawke Em]

2. OK. Feel free.

[stonecutter357]

3. K&R!

[Arazi]

4. HRC supporters you do know we can see that none of you are taking HRC to task

for how shamefully she treated this BLM protester right?

Your conspicuous lack of outrage is, well, conspicuous

[ismnotwasm]

17. How was her treatment shameful?

Did she attempt to speak with this courageous young woman, or did she slink off the stage?

[jeff47]

23. She had this courageous young woman thrown out of the event.

What would you characterize that as?

[Arazi]

25. She didn't even try to stop her supporters harassing Ashley Williams

you do know her audience was hissing at Ms Williams right? Hollering she must be trespassing (AW paid to attend )?

She refused to answer the BLM protesters' questions, had them hauled off, and then proceeded to condescendingly say, "now let's get back to the issues" (because mass incarceration isn't really an issue for HRC and that audience - older white folks)

If you don't see anything wrong in this scenario, I'm sorry for you

[Fumesucker]

51. I'm "older white folks" and I've been talking about mass incarceration for many years now

[Arazi]

54. That's why I love you!!

It's one of my pet issues

[arcane1]

58. "Can I talk? And maybe you can listen to what I say."

“Do you want to hear the facts or do you just want to talk,” a clearly frustrated Clinton asked.

Bernie listened to BLM.

Hillary demands BLM listen to her.

[virtualobserver]

5. the only concern was whether they were being fair to everyone

they quickly proved that they were very fair to everyone, and very serious.

So our concerns disappeared.

BLM seems to be concerned now about Hillary's record, which is not so good.

[ismnotwasm]

15. They have always been concerned

They give no one a free pass. They are a very successful social justice movement and their business isn't to make people feel comfortable

[virtualobserver]

19. it was about fairness, not comfort.....and they quickly proved their fairness and seriousness

[ismnotwasm]

29. Yes they did

In they face of enormous pushback. They owe no candidate a damn thing

[virtualobserver]

33. also, they were always fair....I just didn't know that.

[ismnotwasm]

43. ...

[Kentonio]

6. HRC supporters, you do realize we saw how fast you reversed positions

Not just this time, but also last time BLM were thrown out of a Hillary event right?

[ismnotwasm]

10. I still support BLM

They are the most successful social revolution to come along in a very long time. From NetRoots to the White House.

[Kentonio]

18. I support them also.

I don't personally like this kind of action because it doesn't seem to give the person any chance to actually respond directly to the protestors. Then again not being black its not my ass at risk of being shot every time I walk down the street, so it's up to them to decide which non-violent methods they feel will be most effective. The cause is urgent and important enough to justify almost any means.

[ismnotwasm]

26. I think what it does, is push the narrative in the open

BLM is admirable for their focus, it's not about getting answers as it is being seen and acknowledged. They have gone from being dismissed and degraded--the movement was the subject of horrible racism as well as being accused of being paid operatives for Hillary etc all kinds of nonsense.

I like that she did this-- it bring what Hillary actually said and meant into the open, and BLM gets the publicity they deserve

[virtualobserver]

46. "it's not about getting answers as it is being seen and acknowledged"

That was also something that I didn't get initially. That took even longer for me to fully understand.
I was viewing things through my own "why would you want to potentially alienate" lens that was in my head.

It is so very hard to get the attention of an entire society by communicating through the mainstream media filter.

[ismnotwasm]

49. Exactly!

It's not about Bernie or Hillary, it's about what is actually happening in the AA community real time. They will rightly criticize anyone, I don't think you can get more non-partisan than the movement #BLM, although individual members can be paritison, just like any other movement. As is their absolute right.

[morningfog]

7. Feel free. I have never impugned them.

Knock yourself out.

[DefenseLawyer]

8. Please proceed, Governor. n/t

[ismnotwasm]

9. Ouch.

[NCTraveler]

11. They don't seem to know that. nt.

[retrowire]

13. They huh? lol

Last I checked, we're an amalgamation of many different thoughts, opinions and voices.

[NCTraveler]

20. Yes, they. Very common around here.

If I give you a couple of links, from todays gd p, that shows the same verbiage used against Clinton supporter; will you make a similar comment there? Didn't think so.

[retrowire]

22. Try me! :D nt

[NCTraveler]

31. Have at it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128088560#post45

[retrowire]

35. Well, prove me otherwise! :) nt

[NCTraveler]

36. As I said, didn't think so. nt.

[retrowire]

37. My opinion stays then! nt

[jeff47]

16. Didn't bother looking at any of the replies, huh? (nt)

[NCTraveler]

21. Sure did. Thanks for the reply. Read every word of it. nt.

[jeff47]

24. So all the replies saying "go right ahead" means we don't know it's possible?

Yeah......makes perfect sense.

So how many times should Clinton throw BLM out of her events before we talk about it? We're up to two.

[NCTraveler]

39. If BLM protests any candidates events I expect them to be thrown out.

I have no clue in what world that isn't acceptable.

Talk about it all you want. I never said not to. It's the hypocrisy that is stunning.

"We're up to two." lol.

You know what Clinton didn't do? Have someone throw all black people sitting within the proximity of protesters thrown out.

[jeff47]

41. Is it not better when BLM is not thrown out?

You know what Clinton didn't do? Have someone throw all black people sitting within the proximity of protesters thrown out.

And this mass dismissal happened at what event?

[NCTraveler]

42. "Is it not better when BLM is not thrown out?"

No, I don't believe so. When protesters can be peacefully removed from these events it should be done. I have no clue why you or anyone else would think otherwise. This is actually the first time I have heard of such a thing. Talking about your feelings that they shouldn't be thrown out.

I support BLM over that of Sanders and Clinton. They have been brilliant this campaign season with their verbiage, writings, and protests. I have no clue why you think protesters should be given the stage at every event they can get into. That makes no sense at all.

Once again, it isn't like Clinton had someone pick black people in proximity to protesters out and have them removed.

[jeff47]

45. So, do you feel that activists are more effective when they make a splash and are tossed?

Once again, it isn't like Clinton had someone pick black people in proximity to protesters out and have them removed.

Once again, who did that?

[NCTraveler]

47. " So, do you feel that activists are more effective when they make a splash and are tossed?"

I don't even get the point behind the question. Seems I have completely answered it. Being tossed out has noting to do with the effectiveness of the protest. I never made such a claim. At all. You seem to be trying to get somewhere without being up front. Just make your claim.

[jeff47]

61. The question is based on this statement of yours

No, I don't believe so. When protesters can be peacefully removed from these events it should be done.

I'm assuming your support of BLM would mean you'd like them to be as effective as possible. Since you're also advocating throwing protesters out, that implies you think throwing BLM out is more effective.

Is that not the case?

Being tossed out has noting to do with the effectiveness of the protest.

Sure it does. Some people think getting the mic makes the protest more effective, in that people actually get to hear the message. Others think getting thrown out/arrested/otherwise suppressed makes it more effective, in that it generates outrage.

Both schools of thought have their points. What's your opinion?

Just make your claim.

My claim is I want to hear your opinion on the matter.

[retrowire]

12. go right ahead. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. Yes, and I stated in another thread why I was wrong

so please proceed governor.

For the rest of the class, I was wrong becuase quite frankly I was surprised to see that since I had not seen that (even though I cover street actions regularly) ever. And I did look into it. So now it is your side doing it, and quite entertaining as hell.

For the record I am not a supporter, but a reporter, so I deal wth facts on the ground as I have them available. After they did the same to HRC in Boston, Jeb, and Trump, and others, I was kindly reminded by a young local activists of similar activities ion the 1990s, not that they ever happened in my town either.

[Arazi]

27. Go ahead. I've always been a BLM supporter eom

[Thinkingabout]

28. I searched this morning and did not see disparaging remarks made by Hillary supporters.

[99th_Monkey]

30. Yep. Last year I did ask why BLM didn't ALSO confront Hillary. Now they have. So what? n/t

[BernieforPres2016]

32. You could also go back and watch videos of Hillary

to see where she used to stand on trade deals, the war on crime, the war in Iraq, gay marriage and other things versus where she stands now if you wanted to.

[pacalo]

34. I love espionage games!1!

[jillan]

38. I have an even better idea

Open the window and get some fresh air

[AzDar]

40. And Now, Back To The ISSUES...

[valerief]

44. Hillary "All Lives Matter" Clinton at 2:15

Yeah, she gets it.

[Bluenorthwest]

48. Sure, feel free to quote me. I can also cite you Hillary supporters harshly attacking LGBT activists

for using the same tactics in the same way. Want to see those? Hypocrisy beyond measure. Wanna?

[Bluenorthwest]

50. Where are your links? Where are you OP?

I thought you wanted to play 'let's compare links'?

[lasttrip]

56. just arriving now..

https://m.

Peace.
LT

[forjusticethunders]

52. Sanders *supporters*

Not Bernie Sanders, who let the women speak.

[JackBeck]

53. By all means, please feel free to bring to this thread what I said last year.

And while you're searching, let's have a conversation about the activism and advocacy work you and I both do in the real world to improve the lives of people in our communities.

[Bjornsdotter]

55. Go right ahead n/t

[arcane1]

57. When Sanders said "Can I talk? And maybe you can listen to what I say"?

[cherokeeprogressive]

63. Nope. The part where he said "Now let's get back to the ISSUES uh, that I think are important"

Remember when that happened? Right after the protesters were led away?

Strange... I don't remember that either.

[fleur-de-lisa]

59. Knock yourself out.

I support BLM and have since the movement started.

[cherokeeprogressive]

60. To your blessed heart's content.

[hobbit709]

62. And we can also read any crap posted about Bernie

And that's not counting the anti-Hillary stuff from 2008 coming from some of her loudest supporters now.

[Bluenorthwest]

64. Lex Vegas makes drive by insinuations he is not able to support nor to defend....

Pure McCarthy with a twist of Rove. Barf.

[Fumesucker]

65. #BowDownHillary

Oh wait, it was #BowDownBernie

How could I have gotten so confused?