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Thu Feb 25, 2016, 12:34 PM

Sanders supporters do realize we can go back and read what you thought of BLM last year, right?

When a Sanders event was disrupted?

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Reply Sanders supporters do realize we can go back and read what you thought of BLM last year, right? (Original post)
LexVegas Feb 2016 OP
Matt_in_STL Feb 2016 #1
Fawke Em Feb 2016 #2
stonecutter357 Feb 2016 #3
Arazi Feb 2016 #4
ismnotwasm Feb 2016 #17
jeff47 Feb 2016 #23
Arazi Feb 2016 #25
Fumesucker Feb 2016 #51
Arazi Feb 2016 #54
arcane1 Feb 2016 #58
virtualobserver Feb 2016 #5
ismnotwasm Feb 2016 #15
virtualobserver Feb 2016 #19
ismnotwasm Feb 2016 #29
virtualobserver Feb 2016 #33
ismnotwasm Feb 2016 #43
Kentonio Feb 2016 #6
ismnotwasm Feb 2016 #10
Kentonio Feb 2016 #18
ismnotwasm Feb 2016 #26
virtualobserver Feb 2016 #46
ismnotwasm Feb 2016 #49
morningfog Feb 2016 #7
DefenseLawyer Feb 2016 #8
ismnotwasm Feb 2016 #9
NCTraveler Feb 2016 #11
retrowire Feb 2016 #13
NCTraveler Feb 2016 #20
retrowire Feb 2016 #22
NCTraveler Feb 2016 #31
retrowire Feb 2016 #35
NCTraveler Feb 2016 #36
retrowire Feb 2016 #37
jeff47 Feb 2016 #16
NCTraveler Feb 2016 #21
jeff47 Feb 2016 #24
NCTraveler Feb 2016 #39
jeff47 Feb 2016 #41
NCTraveler Feb 2016 #42
jeff47 Feb 2016 #45
NCTraveler Feb 2016 #47
jeff47 Feb 2016 #61
retrowire Feb 2016 #12
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #14
Arazi Feb 2016 #27
Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #28
99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #30
BernieforPres2016 Feb 2016 #32
pacalo Feb 2016 #34
jillan Feb 2016 #38
AzDar Feb 2016 #40
valerief Feb 2016 #44
Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #48
Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #50
lasttrip Feb 2016 #56
forjusticethunders Feb 2016 #52
JackBeck Feb 2016 #53
Bjornsdotter Feb 2016 #55
arcane1 Feb 2016 #57
cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #63
fleur-de-lisa Feb 2016 #59
cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #60
hobbit709 Feb 2016 #62
Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #64
Fumesucker Feb 2016 #65

Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 12:36 PM

1. Cool

 

Now back to the issues

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 12:37 PM

2. OK. Feel free.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 12:38 PM

3. K&R!

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 12:43 PM

4. HRC supporters you do know we can see that none of you are taking HRC to task

for how shamefully she treated this BLM protester right?

Your conspicuous lack of outrage is, well, conspicuous

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Response to Arazi (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:02 PM

17. How was her treatment shameful?

Did she attempt to speak with this courageous young woman, or did she slink off the stage?

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #17)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:06 PM

23. She had this courageous young woman thrown out of the event.

What would you characterize that as?

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #17)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:09 PM

25. She didn't even try to stop her supporters harassing Ashley Williams

you do know her audience was hissing at Ms Williams right? Hollering she must be trespassing (AW paid to attend )?

She refused to answer the BLM protesters' questions, had them hauled off, and then proceeded to condescendingly say, "now let's get back to the issues" (because mass incarceration isn't really an issue for HRC and that audience - older white folks)

If you don't see anything wrong in this scenario, I'm sorry for you

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Response to Arazi (Reply #25)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 02:43 PM

51. I'm "older white folks" and I've been talking about mass incarceration for many years now

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #51)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 02:45 PM

54. That's why I love you!!



It's one of my pet issues

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #17)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 02:56 PM

58. "Can I talk? And maybe you can listen to what I say."

 

“Do you want to hear the facts or do you just want to talk,” a clearly frustrated Clinton asked.

Bernie listened to BLM.

Hillary demands BLM listen to her.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 12:51 PM

5. the only concern was whether they were being fair to everyone

 

they quickly proved that they were very fair to everyone, and very serious.

So our concerns disappeared.

BLM seems to be concerned now about Hillary's record, which is not so good.

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:01 PM

15. They have always been concerned

They give no one a free pass. They are a very successful social justice movement and their business isn't to make people feel comfortable

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #15)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:03 PM

19. it was about fairness, not comfort.....and they quickly proved their fairness and seriousness

 

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #19)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:12 PM

29. Yes they did

In they face of enormous pushback. They owe no candidate a damn thing

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #29)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:14 PM

33. also, they were always fair....I just didn't know that.

 

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #33)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:35 PM

43. ...

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 12:55 PM

6. HRC supporters, you do realize we saw how fast you reversed positions

 

Not just this time, but also last time BLM were thrown out of a Hillary event right?

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Response to Kentonio (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 12:59 PM

10. I still support BLM

They are the most successful social revolution to come along in a very long time. From NetRoots to the White House.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #10)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:02 PM

18. I support them also.

 

I don't personally like this kind of action because it doesn't seem to give the person any chance to actually respond directly to the protestors. Then again not being black its not my ass at risk of being shot every time I walk down the street, so it's up to them to decide which non-violent methods they feel will be most effective. The cause is urgent and important enough to justify almost any means.

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Response to Kentonio (Reply #18)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:10 PM

26. I think what it does, is push the narrative in the open

BLM is admirable for their focus, it's not about getting answers as it is being seen and acknowledged. They have gone from being dismissed and degraded--the movement was the subject of horrible racism as well as being accused of being paid operatives for Hillary etc all kinds of nonsense.

I like that she did this-- it bring what Hillary actually said and meant into the open, and BLM gets the publicity they deserve

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #26)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 02:07 PM

46. "it's not about getting answers as it is being seen and acknowledged"

 

That was also something that I didn't get initially. That took even longer for me to fully understand.
I was viewing things through my own "why would you want to potentially alienate" lens that was in my head.

It is so very hard to get the attention of an entire society by communicating through the mainstream media filter.

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #46)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 02:40 PM

49. Exactly!

It's not about Bernie or Hillary, it's about what is actually happening in the AA community real time. They will rightly criticize anyone, I don't think you can get more non-partisan than the movement #BLM, although individual members can be paritison, just like any other movement. As is their absolute right.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 12:56 PM

7. Feel free. I have never impugned them.

 

Knock yourself out.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 12:57 PM

8. Please proceed, Governor. n/t

 

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 12:58 PM

9. Ouch.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 12:59 PM

11. They don't seem to know that. nt.

 

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #11)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:00 PM

13. They huh? lol

Last I checked, we're an amalgamation of many different thoughts, opinions and voices.

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Response to retrowire (Reply #13)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:04 PM

20. Yes, they. Very common around here.

 

If I give you a couple of links, from todays gd p, that shows the same verbiage used against Clinton supporter; will you make a similar comment there? Didn't think so.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #20)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:04 PM

22. Try me! :D nt

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #31)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:17 PM

35. Well, prove me otherwise! :) nt

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Response to retrowire (Reply #35)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:19 PM

36. As I said, didn't think so. nt.

 

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #36)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:19 PM

37. My opinion stays then! nt

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #11)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:02 PM

16. Didn't bother looking at any of the replies, huh? (nt)

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #16)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:04 PM

21. Sure did. Thanks for the reply. Read every word of it. nt.

 

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #21)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:07 PM

24. So all the replies saying "go right ahead" means we don't know it's possible?

Yeah......makes perfect sense.

So how many times should Clinton throw BLM out of her events before we talk about it? We're up to two.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #24)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:23 PM

39. If BLM protests any candidates events I expect them to be thrown out.

 

I have no clue in what world that isn't acceptable.

Talk about it all you want. I never said not to. It's the hypocrisy that is stunning.

"We're up to two." lol.

You know what Clinton didn't do? Have someone throw all black people sitting within the proximity of protesters thrown out.




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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #39)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:27 PM

41. Is it not better when BLM is not thrown out?

You know what Clinton didn't do? Have someone throw all black people sitting within the proximity of protesters thrown out.

And this mass dismissal happened at what event?

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #41)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:31 PM

42. "Is it not better when BLM is not thrown out?"

 

No, I don't believe so. When protesters can be peacefully removed from these events it should be done. I have no clue why you or anyone else would think otherwise. This is actually the first time I have heard of such a thing. Talking about your feelings that they shouldn't be thrown out.

I support BLM over that of Sanders and Clinton. They have been brilliant this campaign season with their verbiage, writings, and protests. I have no clue why you think protesters should be given the stage at every event they can get into. That makes no sense at all.

Once again, it isn't like Clinton had someone pick black people in proximity to protesters out and have them removed.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #42)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 02:06 PM

45. So, do you feel that activists are more effective when they make a splash and are tossed?

Once again, it isn't like Clinton had someone pick black people in proximity to protesters out and have them removed.

Once again, who did that?

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #45)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 02:18 PM

47. " So, do you feel that activists are more effective when they make a splash and are tossed?"

 

I don't even get the point behind the question. Seems I have completely answered it. Being tossed out has noting to do with the effectiveness of the protest. I never made such a claim. At all. You seem to be trying to get somewhere without being up front. Just make your claim.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #47)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 03:01 PM

61. The question is based on this statement of yours

No, I don't believe so. When protesters can be peacefully removed from these events it should be done.

I'm assuming your support of BLM would mean you'd like them to be as effective as possible. Since you're also advocating throwing protesters out, that implies you think throwing BLM out is more effective.

Is that not the case?

Being tossed out has noting to do with the effectiveness of the protest.

Sure it does. Some people think getting the mic makes the protest more effective, in that people actually get to hear the message. Others think getting thrown out/arrested/otherwise suppressed makes it more effective, in that it generates outrage.

Both schools of thought have their points. What's your opinion?

Just make your claim.

My claim is I want to hear your opinion on the matter.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:00 PM

12. go right ahead. nt

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:00 PM

14. Yes, and I stated in another thread why I was wrong

 

so please proceed governor.

For the rest of the class, I was wrong becuase quite frankly I was surprised to see that since I had not seen that (even though I cover street actions regularly) ever. And I did look into it. So now it is your side doing it, and quite entertaining as hell.

For the record I am not a supporter, but a reporter, so I deal wth facts on the ground as I have them available. After they did the same to HRC in Boston, Jeb, and Trump, and others, I was kindly reminded by a young local activists of similar activities ion the 1990s, not that they ever happened in my town either.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:10 PM

27. Go ahead. I've always been a BLM supporter eom

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:11 PM

28. I searched this morning and did not see disparaging remarks made by Hillary supporters.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:12 PM

30. Yep. Last year I did ask why BLM didn't ALSO confront Hillary. Now they have. So what? n/t

 

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:12 PM

32. You could also go back and watch videos of Hillary

to see where she used to stand on trade deals, the war on crime, the war in Iraq, gay marriage and other things versus where she stands now if you wanted to.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:14 PM

34. I love espionage games!1!





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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:21 PM

38. I have an even better idea

Open the window and get some fresh air

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:25 PM

40. And Now, Back To The ISSUES...

 

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:40 PM

44. Hillary "All Lives Matter" Clinton at 2:15



Yeah, she gets it.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 02:33 PM

48. Sure, feel free to quote me. I can also cite you Hillary supporters harshly attacking LGBT activists

 

for using the same tactics in the same way. Want to see those? Hypocrisy beyond measure. Wanna?

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 02:42 PM

50. Where are your links? Where are you OP?

 

I thought you wanted to play 'let's compare links'?

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #50)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 02:46 PM

56. just arriving now..

https://m.
Peace.
LT

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 02:43 PM

52. Sanders *supporters*

 

Not Bernie Sanders, who let the women speak.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 02:44 PM

53. By all means, please feel free to bring to this thread what I said last year.

And while you're searching, let's have a conversation about the activism and advocacy work you and I both do in the real world to improve the lives of people in our communities.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 02:45 PM

55. Go right ahead n/t

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 02:56 PM

57. When Sanders said "Can I talk? And maybe you can listen to what I say"?

 

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #57)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 03:05 PM

63. Nope. The part where he said "Now let's get back to the ISSUES uh, that I think are important"

 

Remember when that happened? Right after the protesters were led away?

Strange... I don't remember that either.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 03:00 PM

59. Knock yourself out.

I support BLM and have since the movement started.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 03:00 PM

60. To your blessed heart's content.

 

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 03:04 PM

62. And we can also read any crap posted about Bernie

And that's not counting the anti-Hillary stuff from 2008 coming from some of her loudest supporters now.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 03:27 PM

64. Lex Vegas makes drive by insinuations he is not able to support nor to defend....

 

Pure McCarthy with a twist of Rove. Barf.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 03:38 PM

65. #BowDownHillary

Oh wait, it was #BowDownBernie

How could I have gotten so confused?

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