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MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 09:09 PM Feb 2016

When the #1 most liberal Senator and his supporters are the "racist" wing of our party we've lost it

If the goal for our party is to have zero credibility with independents, and to generally look like we have no idea how to actually vet and evaluate a candidate and his/her positions, we are beyond exceeding.

We are (no joke) calling the nation's most liberal senator a racist. If we're saying it simply to elevate an opposing candidate, we're liars. If we truly believe he's racist, we're nuts.


After this new low, how do we expect as a party to ever be taken seriously again?

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When the #1 most liberal Senator and his supporters are the "racist" wing of our party we've lost it (Original Post) MadDAsHell Feb 2016 OP
Clinton using race as a wedge issue. Anything for a win. morningfog Feb 2016 #1
Agreed. Calling Sanders a racist is a desperate ploy from a desperate campaign n/t arcane1 Feb 2016 #2
The only "desperation" I see calguy Feb 2016 #16
Right, because there's no rational reason in the world.... daleanime Feb 2016 #53
Why do Hilliacs (turnabout is fair play) like to play victims? Unknown Beatle Feb 2016 #74
Who called him a racist? I see no links posted--even when asked. riversedge Feb 2016 #76
Here, I will let Camille Paglia address this with TM99 Feb 2016 #3
She may be even more shameless than Nixon. hifiguy Feb 2016 #9
OMFG! TM99 Feb 2016 #10
I aim to inform and, with luck, hifiguy Feb 2016 #21
You Sparklepony you! TM99 Feb 2016 #24
Well said. Nt MadDAsHell Feb 2016 #11
Camille? 72DejaVu Feb 2016 #29
No, I was not referring to Ms Paglia. hifiguy Feb 2016 #50
Yeah, had me confused 72DejaVu Feb 2016 #51
Oh my..... daleanime Feb 2016 #59
I love Camille Goblinmonger Feb 2016 #13
The Rules... Do Not Apply To People Like Hillary... Or DWS for That Matter et al! CorporatistNation Feb 2016 #66
ty 840high Feb 2016 #73
Molly Ivins' takedown of Paglia is classic. PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #83
I greatly enjoyed her takedown of Bill Clinton. TM99 Feb 2016 #84
Compelling Wisdom - Vs - Disheartening Cynicism - The Choice Is Clear cantbeserious Feb 2016 #4
It sounds like a Clinton-supporter rationalization to me. Beartracks Feb 2016 #5
I certainly wouldn't call him any more racist than his primary opponent. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #6
"Nuanced" or not..... daleanime Feb 2016 #62
I have never seen a post here calling Bernie a racist. emulatorloo Feb 2016 #7
Very true, it started here because Bernie had not said a word about police violence against POC.... bettyellen Feb 2016 #12
Failing to hail Bernie as the Great White Hope of Civil Rights = calling Bernie a "racist" nt EffieBlack Feb 2016 #14
Counting the number of PoC TM99 Feb 2016 #15
No...repeatedly claiming he is tonedeaf to race noiretextatique Feb 2016 #79
It's been implied maybe a thousand times. Let's not play brand new. merrily Feb 2016 #18
So nobody then? MaggieD Feb 2016 #28
Your enforced vacations from DU have not changed your posting games. Cool. merrily Feb 2016 #37
Sincere question MaggieD Feb 2016 #39
Your sincerity is touching, as always. Again, I don't enjoy your games, so I am not going to play. merrily Feb 2016 #42
Downthread, you just replied to my post showing three people think Bernie is racist. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #46
Okay, so it took the OP 6 months to create a post.... MaggieD Feb 2016 #57
Why are you making false claims? The op never said that poll was the reason for the op. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #60
Correct - I'm trying to find the reason for the OP MaggieD Feb 2016 #61
I wasn't pointing to a specific post, as noted in #36. nt MadDAsHell Feb 2016 #67
okay MaggieD Feb 2016 #71
yep, I guess I should have said "rabidly, dishonestly, disingenuously, and repeatedly implied he is" MadDAsHell Feb 2016 #36
The mincing words game is as much of a yawn as the playing brand new game. merrily Feb 2016 #45
There have been several posts openly calling him a racist as well as a poll. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #22
Good for you, for paying closer attention than I do. I tend to avert my eyes sometimes. merrily Feb 2016 #38
bmus has a memory like a computerized hifiguy Feb 2016 #44
Yes, she is amazing in that way and in her ability to retrieve links on a dime. merrily Feb 2016 #52
Didn't she say she was a marine biologist at one time? Major Hogwash Feb 2016 #70
Ha! nt retrowire Feb 2016 #72
Link for future reference: beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #49
Thank you. I will bookmark gratefully, but I've had it up to here with merrily Feb 2016 #58
I don't blame you, people ask for links then alert on people who post them too. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #63
I heart you, BMUS! merrily Feb 2016 #69
Thanks so much for your honesty. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #25
Same here - I haven't see him called a racist MaggieD Feb 2016 #30
I have seen some of those posts noiretextatique Feb 2016 #78
But, but, but hifiguy Feb 2016 #8
Who called him a racist? MaggieD Feb 2016 #17
Welcome back. See Reply 18. merrily Feb 2016 #19
You must have most of of GD-P + the HRC and AA groups on hide. MadDAsHell Feb 2016 #23
Not hidden - got a link? MaggieD Feb 2016 #26
Can you post evidence that people in the AA have called Bernie Sanders a racist? I'll wait. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #27
It has been implied many times noiretextatique Feb 2016 #80
He's certainly tone deaf on issues of race, IMO MaggieD Feb 2016 #81
I don't know if the whole party is judged by what gets posted at DU, but I hope not. merrily Feb 2016 #20
That would be a nightmare farleftlib Feb 2016 #31
The congnitive dissonance is stunning Kelvin Mace Feb 2016 #32
Yeah, or something similar to that. Major Hogwash Feb 2016 #64
At this point I think the Clinton campaign's use of race as PatrickforO Feb 2016 #33
For the people who keep saying no one ever claimed Bernie is racist: beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #34
Thanks for that farleftlib Feb 2016 #35
Oh that's just Manny MaggieD Feb 2016 #40
Nice try but Manny wasn't one of the three. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #43
But Manny was always posting snark like that MaggieD Feb 2016 #47
Nope, no snark, simple question and three people answered honestly. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #48
Okay - if that's what you got that's what you got! MaggieD Feb 2016 #54
Another link: Dr. Strange Feb 2016 #55
Yep, I remember that one. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #56
The entire Democratic Party establishment... MellowDem Feb 2016 #41
That's what has been most troubling to me this cycle. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #75
+1000 noiretextatique Feb 2016 #82
This victim mentality will not win any converts redstateblues Feb 2016 #65
Of course you're not. Hillary, nor her supporters, were even mentioned in my OP. nt MadDAsHell Feb 2016 #68
I just read a fredamae Feb 2016 #77

calguy

(5,223 posts)
16. The only "desperation" I see
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 10:10 PM
Feb 2016

is coming from the desperate Berniacs as they post so much hate.
You think it's desperate now? Wait till Wednesday after the primaries. You'll be plenty desperate then. the writing is already on the wall. All the hate posts in the world won't change it.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
53. Right, because there's no rational reason in the world....
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 11:16 PM
Feb 2016

for a Democrat not to support Hillary Rodhan Clinton.



Just in case.

Unknown Beatle

(2,672 posts)
74. Why do Hilliacs (turnabout is fair play) like to play victims?
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 02:52 AM
Feb 2016

We get it. Hillary took money from Goldman Sachs because that will help her win the presidency, and then she will rein them in by telling them to cut it out. After doing that she will unshackle herself from the Goldman Handcuffs (yes, that's actually Hillary's Goldman Sachs nickname which is obviously a reference to golden handcuffs) and free us from the predators from hell.

Hey, that's a great name for a death metal band, "Predators From Hell".

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
3. Here, I will let Camille Paglia address this with
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 09:13 PM
Feb 2016

a great quote from her recent piece at Salon.

A vote for Bernie Sanders is a vote against the machine, the obscenely money-mad and soulless juggernaut that the Democratic Party has become. Perhaps there was a time, during the Hubert Humphrey era, when Democrats could claim to be populists, alive to the needs and concerns of working-class people. But the party has become the playground of white, upper-middle-class professionals with elite-school degrees and me-first values. These liberal poseurs mouth racial and ethnic platitudes, acquired like trophy kills at their p.c. campuses, but every word rings hollow, because it is based on condescension, a patronizing projection of victimhood onto those outside their privileged circle. There is no better example of this arrogant class bias than Wellesley grad Hillary Clinton lapsing into her mush-mouthed, Southern-fried dialect when addressing African-American audiences.


http://www.salon.com/2016/02/25/fight_the_soulless_juggernaut_big_money_machine_politics_and_the_real_issue_separating_sanders_and_clinton/

Oh, and yeah, pay attention to that video. There was no mush-mouthed, Sourthern-friend dialect on display while addressing those wealth donors was there?
 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
9. She may be even more shameless than Nixon.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 09:24 PM
Feb 2016

Last edited Thu Feb 25, 2016, 10:43 PM - Edit history (1)

Even Richard Nixon (and consider the sinister implications of the phrase "even Richard Nixon&quot didn't stoop to that kind of horseshit. And when you're measuring degrees of slipperiness and insincerity in Nixon units, you're already over an aquarium full of sharks.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
10. OMFG!
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 09:26 PM
Feb 2016

" And when you're measuring degrees of slipperiness and insincerity in Nixon units, you're already over an aquarium full of sharks."

That was beautifully put, and I think you owe me a new LCD display after spewing my hot ginger water all over it!

72DejaVu

(1,545 posts)
51. Yeah, had me confused
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 11:15 PM
Feb 2016

I wouldn't compare her to Nixon. I don't think much of her, but I can't picture her strolling on the beach in a suit.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
13. I love Camille
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 09:33 PM
Feb 2016

she isn't afraid of pissing people off when telling it like she sees it. I'm not saying I agree with her all the time, but she's always entertaining and thoughtful and thought-provoking.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
66. The Rules... Do Not Apply To People Like Hillary... Or DWS for That Matter et al!
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 11:28 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary is most at home with people like Lloyd Blankfein.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
83. Molly Ivins' takedown of Paglia is classic.
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 03:30 PM
Feb 2016

"What we have here, fellow citizens, is a crassly egocentric, raving twit. The Norman Podhoretz of our gender. That this woman is actually taken seriously as a thinker in New York intellectual circles is a clear sign of decadence, decay, and hopeless pinheadedness. Has no one in the nation’s intellectual capital the background and ability to see through a web of categorical assertions? One fashionable line of response to Paglia is to claim that even though she may be fundamentally off-base, she has 'flashes of brilliance.' If so, I missed them in her oceans of swill."

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
84. I greatly enjoyed her takedown of Bill Clinton.
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 04:21 PM
Feb 2016

"If left to my own devices, I'd spend all my time pointing out that he's [Bill Clinton] weaker than bus-station chili. But the man is so constantly subjected to such hideous and unfair abuse that I wind up standing up for him on the general principle that some fairness should be applied. Besides, no one but a fool or a Republican ever took him for a liberal."

I am quite certain she would say the same thing about Hillary.

Beartracks

(12,761 posts)
5. It sounds like a Clinton-supporter rationalization to me.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 09:16 PM
Feb 2016

It's troubling that any of them would actually believe it to be true.

It's equally troubling if they're just lying.

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Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
6. I certainly wouldn't call him any more racist than his primary opponent.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 09:17 PM
Feb 2016

There's an argument to be made, depending on how you use the word, that all white people are racist. But that definition does not mean 'racially bigoted', but more 'benefiting from systemic institutional racism'. And certainly even by that definition, Sanders is less racist than Clinton, because he's trying to change the status quo, and the status quo in this country supports racism. That's probably too much of a nuanced argument to have with voters at large at this point in time, though. More than half the white voters in the country probably don't even believe in white privilege.

emulatorloo

(43,982 posts)
7. I have never seen a post here calling Bernie a racist.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 09:19 PM
Feb 2016

i have seen critiques of the Sanders campaign's outreach to AA voters. Very often with suggestions for how he could connect better with AA voters.

And then I've seen those posts mischaracterized as "You are calling Bernie a racist."

But that's a mischaracterization.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
12. Very true, it started here because Bernie had not said a word about police violence against POC....
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 09:30 PM
Feb 2016

(yet) and someone said "it's not enough". And then people began lying, saying people called Bernie a racist.

Meanwhile Bernie knew better and adjusted his stump speech and his website to add social justice issues.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
15. Counting the number of PoC
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 10:02 PM
Feb 2016

at Sanders rallies = racist.

You are really good at erecting straw men and then titling at their windmills. No one including Sanders has hailed him as the Great White Hope of Civil Rights. Period.

Therefore it is hard to take you seriously when you start from a flawed premise.

What is damned sure is that Sanders support for economic and social justice is a hell of a lot more inline with the writings of both MLK and Malcolm X than the water-downed platitudes of a neoliberal who wants to distract us with racial division while she and her crony's laugh all the way to the bank.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
37. Your enforced vacations from DU have not changed your posting games. Cool.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 11:03 PM
Feb 2016

Personally, I never found them clever or effective, but some seem to think they're clever, or pretend to, and you apparently enjoy them, so go for it.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
39. Sincere question
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 11:05 PM
Feb 2016

Got a link? I mean it's a big site. I won't fall over shocked if someone called him a racist. But I have not seen that.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
42. Your sincerity is touching, as always. Again, I don't enjoy your games, so I am not going to play.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 11:07 PM
Feb 2016

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
60. Why are you making false claims? The op never said that poll was the reason for the op.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 11:22 PM
Feb 2016

Maybe you should stick to the facts.

 

MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
36. yep, I guess I should have said "rabidly, dishonestly, disingenuously, and repeatedly implied he is"
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 10:58 PM
Feb 2016

yep, I guess I should have said "rabidly, dishonestly, disingenuously, and repeatedly implied he is" instead of "called him."

My bad.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
45. The mincing words game is as much of a yawn as the playing brand new game.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 11:09 PM
Feb 2016

So is the "If you don't dance to my tune, you're proved yourself wrong" game.

For me, they all alternate somewhere between boring and faintly nauseating.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
22. There have been several posts openly calling him a racist as well as a poll.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 10:33 PM
Feb 2016

People voted for the 'yes I think he's a racist' option.

Many other posts were thinly veiled accusations so please stop claiming no one ever said it.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
44. bmus has a memory like a computerized
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 11:09 PM
Feb 2016

elephant. She forgets nothing. Even I am amazed by her sometimes.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
52. Yes, she is amazing in that way and in her ability to retrieve links on a dime.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 11:16 PM
Feb 2016

My memory is pretty good, but, as I said, I averted my eyes from a lot intentionally. I just don't click on certain kinds of thread titles and I skim past certain kinds of posts. I got the drift a long time ago. I don't see a point in reading the same point a million times, especially, when I am not sure of the motivation.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
70. Didn't she say she was a marine biologist at one time?
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 11:33 PM
Feb 2016

Her specific area of study was the hammer-headed snarks?



merrily

(45,251 posts)
58. Thank you. I will bookmark gratefully, but I've had it up to here with
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 11:20 PM
Feb 2016

people who request links for stuff that is as widespread on DU and as plain as I assume the respective noses on their respective faces are. Often stuff they've done themselves many times. I'm just over so much of it.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
63. I don't blame you, people ask for links then alert on people who post them too.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 11:26 PM
Feb 2016

That poll is easily googled and there are more links to smears against Bernie in my journal if anyone ever needs them.

Once in a while it's nice to prove a point.


 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
30. Same here - I haven't see him called a racist
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 10:45 PM
Feb 2016

I would believe it with a link, but nobody seems to have one.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
78. I have seen some of those posts
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 02:17 PM
Feb 2016

Most were BS, imho. I think his economic message was working just fine. Then again I don't think one has preface every economic message with one about race. Economic and racial justice are intimately connected.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
8. But, but, but
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 09:21 PM
Feb 2016

It's HER TURN and that meanie old meanie-pants Bernie Sanders is trying to keep her from what is HERS by RIGHT. So they can tell ANY lie in the service of their JUST CAUSE.

 

MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
23. You must have most of of GD-P + the HRC and AA groups on hide.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 10:41 PM
Feb 2016

You need to unhide those groups first.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
81. He's certainly tone deaf on issues of race, IMO
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 02:22 PM
Feb 2016

But I haven't seen anyone call him a racist. If you think acknowledging his tone deafness on the issue is "implying" he's a racist I would say it sounds like the same old same old from his supporters. They seem to be experts at using their imagination.

PatrickforO

(14,516 posts)
33. At this point I think the Clinton campaign's use of race as
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 10:53 PM
Feb 2016

a wedge issue is becoming progressively less effective. Get it? 'Progressively?' LOL

I guess you had to be there...

Seriously, more people are beginning to see through the divide and conquer stuff. Let's just hope it is in time.

By the way, most people in the US haven't even thought about the election or the candidates at this point. I don't think we need to worry much about that now.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
34. For the people who keep saying no one ever claimed Bernie is racist:
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 10:54 PM
Feb 2016
Poll: is Bernie Sanders racist?

Three people voted yes.









Note to jury: people were requesting a link so I obliged, it's not against the TOS to link to threads. Thank you for serving.
 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
47. But Manny was always posting snark like that
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 11:11 PM
Feb 2016

I don't see anyone in the thread saying that. I think your 3 poll people were just snarking back at Manny. Is this the basis of the OP? A poll from August with no one posting anything about Bernie being racist?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
48. Nope, no snark, simple question and three people answered honestly.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 11:12 PM
Feb 2016

You're not calling them liars are you?

The challenge was to find someone who thinks Bernie is racist, I provided three.

Game over.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
56. Yep, I remember that one.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 11:18 PM
Feb 2016

I don't dare link to individual posts because they alert on me when I do, so thanks!

MellowDem

(5,018 posts)
41. The entire Democratic Party establishment...
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 11:07 PM
Feb 2016

is endorsing someone that employed dog whistles against Obama in 2008. Which shows how much integrity the establishment has, and how shallow the bench must be for the Third Way brand that they have to keep with someone who has immense negatives because there is no new blood with "name recognition". Hell, they're endorsing family political dynasties to boot.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
75. That's what has been most troubling to me this cycle.
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 07:52 AM
Feb 2016

I tend to think of myself as deeply politically cynical, but even that was overwhelmed by the incredibly unified Party work on behalf of the corporatist candidate in the primary, as well as the people stepping forward to smear Sanders. Sanders has a 100% NARAL rating for his time in office, but Planned Parenthood steps out of the wings to get completely behind Clinton in the primary? Pretty much every TV pundit has worked overtime to ignore Sanders as long as possible, then belittle him when they can no longer ignore him, and some even push smears? Civil Rights icons step forward to join in on the smears?

The entire system of politics and media is desperately throwing everything in the books to stop him, even though if elected, the chances he'll be able to effect any real and lasting change to the system are slim. But the rot runs so deep that no one who benefits from the status quo wants to even take the risk that he might change anything.

Sanders isn't perfect. I don't agree 100% with his stance on guns, he's still too pro-Israel and pro-military action, and his vote on the crime omnibus was bad. (And his statement on why he voted for me is what I find most troubling - he KNEW it was a bad vote at the time, and still essentially traded the lives of one group of victims for the lives of a different group of victims because he judged one group to be 'more innocent'.) It's why I was against the ACA. It helped one set of people, but made things worse for others. And I'd rather keep fighting to just make things better for people, WITHOUT victimizing anyone else.

But imperfect or not, the system needs to change, and change drastically. And there's no chance of that with Clinton.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
82. +1000
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 02:25 PM
Feb 2016

It seems a lot of the anger directed at Bernie is projection from the cognitive dissonance of supporting Clinton.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
65. This victim mentality will not win any converts
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 11:27 PM
Feb 2016

The "racist wing of the party"? Nobody thinks that. Quit demonizing people who don't think Bernie is the best chance we have to keep the White House. I happen to like Bernie- I would vote for him if he's the nominee. I am not all the evil things you accuse Hillary supporters of being.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
77. I just read a
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 08:42 AM
Feb 2016

thread title-Lindsey Graham stating "My Party Is Batshit Crazy"

Well, it looks like the Dems (using gop tactics) aren't far behind.

First they ignore you (for decades now)-Then they Laugh (and call you a crazy dreamer), Then they fight you (lying liars have found a perfect labor market) and now, about all we have left to do is Get Out The Damned VOTE to Win

It's going to get worse. A lot worse. Buckle up your emotions.
They (corpoEverybody) are in a corner now. They're beginning to panic...we know because "their Nasty Lying Ugly" is dialed Up.
Onward, Upward...don't let "it" get to you.

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