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Fri Feb 26, 2016, 09:41 AM

Most Americans Don't Deserve Someone Like Bernie

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I am blue n the face talking to other liberals here in Georgia.
Friends and family members that agree with me on most political issues won't even consider Bernie.
The won't even watch his stump speech on utube.
They just can't get past the word Socialist.
They claim that Bernie would be destroyed by Trump or any republican.
I've shown them the many polls showing Bernie doing better than Hillary against Trump.
They don't believe those polls.

So, here I am with all of this.
Someone smart once said that we get the government that we deserve.
Bernie is too good.
He's too honest and caring.

Most of us dint deserve someone like him yet. Sigh.
Maybe someday America will.

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Reply Most Americans Don't Deserve Someone Like Bernie (Original post)
Funtatlaguy Feb 2016 OP
Skinner Feb 2016 #1
PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #2
Funtatlaguy Feb 2016 #3
Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #8
Funtatlaguy Feb 2016 #11
Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #18
Funtatlaguy Feb 2016 #22
Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #26
Funtatlaguy Feb 2016 #28
Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #30
RKP5637 Feb 2016 #5
Armstead Feb 2016 #21
alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #40
sufrommich Feb 2016 #4
Funtatlaguy Feb 2016 #9
Codeine Feb 2016 #6
yourpaljoey Feb 2016 #7
NaturalHigh Feb 2016 #10
Funtatlaguy Feb 2016 #14
LexVegas Feb 2016 #12
pdsimdars Feb 2016 #13
hack89 Feb 2016 #15
Funtatlaguy Feb 2016 #17
vdogg Feb 2016 #16
randome Feb 2016 #19
Funtatlaguy Feb 2016 #27
randome Feb 2016 #29
Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #20
DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #24
Funtatlaguy Feb 2016 #25
Quayblue Feb 2016 #49
Godhumor Feb 2016 #23
Armstead Feb 2016 #34
Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #35
Armstead Feb 2016 #36
Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #38
Armstead Feb 2016 #45
Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #46
Armstead Feb 2016 #47
lostnfound Feb 2016 #37
Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #39
lostnfound Feb 2016 #52
jcgoldie Feb 2016 #31
Shadowflash Feb 2016 #32
Octafish Feb 2016 #33
Freddie Stubbs Feb 2016 #41
KingFlorez Feb 2016 #42
NCTraveler Feb 2016 #43
Hiraeth Feb 2016 #44
Orsino Feb 2016 #48
MisterP Feb 2016 #50
Bleacher Creature Feb 2016 #51
autonomous Feb 2016 #53

Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 09:43 AM

1. That sounds like a winning message. (nt)

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Response to Skinner (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 09:45 AM

2. lol

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Response to Skinner (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 09:47 AM

3. Not a campaign message.

Just my own personal observations.
Am I not, as a loyal blue dog Dem who will work for Hillary in the general, allowed to feel this disappointment?

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 09:51 AM

8. Don't let people disparaging you get you down..it happens here.

When you are advocating in Georgia, do you ask them what it is they
want to see in their government they don't see now?

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Response to Jefferson23 (Reply #8)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 10:00 AM

11. Atlanta is a blue dot in the middle of

A sea of very red, marooness in the rest of the state.
The repubs own every state position of power and have a Super majority in statehouse.
This happened when Gov Sonny Perdue and many other former yellow dog Dems switched parties.
I can't talk to those people.
They are all racist, xenophobic, homophobic, semi morons.

The liberals here are not like northern state liberals.
Most have some conservative positions on god, guns, and gays.
So, you have to pick your arguments carefully.

Most want to just not be laughed at when they claim to be a Democrat.
That's why they could never add the word Socialist onto the word Democrat.

I don't understand why Hillary supporters are laughing at me or my statements.
I greatly admire her.
She's just not as liberal as me. Bernie is.
But I will work like heck for Hillary to beat Trump.


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Response to Funtatlaguy (Reply #11)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 10:16 AM

18. Primary season here at DU can be obnoxious, so I would pay no mind to it.

If Bernie loses the nomination I will be voting against any Republican, has nothing
to do with support for Clinton, that's how she gets my vote in the GE.

You certainly have your work cut out for you. Have you been working with
the Sanders campaign in your area?

When you speak to voters if you ask them what is important to them
you may get info back that allows them to consider Bernie...before
you just go into what his platform is about. I would encourage you
to look at the conservatives in Vermont, I know they are a different
breed than Georgia, but they may be more like your Georgia Dems.
They like Bernie, and have supported him, some people see that as
a bad thing, I don't. There might be a bridge of commonality in approach
you could use to help people consider Bernie.






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Response to Jefferson23 (Reply #18)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 10:23 AM

22. A little late here now.

Hillary will beat Bernie by at least 20 points here in Georgia and probably more than30.
We are not wasting our time on Georhia but instead phone banking to more winnable places like Massachusetts.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Reply #22)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 10:24 AM

26. You were told that? To focus off of your state? n/t

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Response to Jefferson23 (Reply #26)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 10:35 AM

28. Not by the state folks

Others who r realists....Move on type folks....not leadership,,,just rank and file.
Winning Mass is much more important than trying to brin down the totals and, eve, delegates in what will be a Georgia Hillary landslide Tuesday.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Reply #28)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 10:42 AM

30. I suggest you consider listening to what the leaders from his campaign think is best.. but of

course that is up to you.

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Response to Skinner (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 09:48 AM

5. It almost reads like the lyrics for a song!!! n/t

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Response to Skinner (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 10:20 AM

21. Almost as winning as "We can't advance a liberal agenda because (fill in the blanks)"

 

The reasons change, but the message is always the same:

"We can't do anything proactive now because: The GOP has the WH...the GOP has control of Congress....We have the WH and control of Congress but the GOP has enough people to block anything we do....We have a mixed Congress..... ...and the currently implausible 'We have overwhelming majority in Congress and the White House -- but we can't do anything because that will only revitalize the GOP.'"

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Response to Skinner (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 11:49 AM

40. ...

 

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 09:47 AM

4. Is this satire?

I can't tell anymore.

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 09:52 AM

9. Seriously?

You haven't encountered any fellow Democrats who say that the word Socialist disqualifies Bernie for their consideration?

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 09:48 AM

6. Well if THAT doesn't convince them

nuthin' will!

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 09:49 AM

7. Someone like Bernie will be prevented from running ever again

The GOP/DNC have fixed the procedural requirements over the last few months
so as to preclude that possibility going forward.
If Bernie wins, of course, the game may change in the favor of the People.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 09:53 AM

10. Cool story bro.

That will really win over the voters.

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Response to NaturalHigh (Reply #10)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 10:06 AM

14. Not trying to win over voters.

Just Telling you what I've experienced in my social circle.
Why does that bother you?
I didn't say one disparaging word about Hillary. Nor will I. She is my second choice and a quality, brilliant person.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 10:01 AM

12. LMAO. nt

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 10:04 AM

13. You may not believe this . ..

 

but I say that Bernie is actually going to be the next President.
I know it doesn't look like it. I know it sounds like wishful thinking . . but, there are many reasons and subtle indicators that point to it.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 10:10 AM

15. I love DU performance art. Bravo!

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Response to hack89 (Reply #15)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 10:13 AM

17. Well I do enjoy Bravos Real Housewives of Atlanta

Can't believe they added Tootie and that she's a real religious conservative.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 10:11 AM

16. I am both sad and humbled

That I am unworthy to be in the presence of his eminence.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 10:17 AM

19. "Pure"? Did you even know Sanders existed 6 months ago?

 

And if his past quarter century of purity was known at the time, why weren't people talking him up before now?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]A ton of bricks, a ton of feathers, it's still gonna hurt.[/center][/font][hr]

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Response to randome (Reply #19)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 10:31 AM

27. Nope never have really followed politics

Other than having worked in about 10 different local, state, and federal campaigns in the past 30 years and keeping my tv on cspan 2 most of the time...esp when the Senate is in session.
Voted in every election my entire life.
I phone bank for many endangered Dems nationally.
And, yes, I have admired Bernies positions for many years.
Always thought he was a little droll and too crusty for my taste.
Still do, at times.
It's his policy positions that draw me to him, not his personality.
Why test my political bonafides just because you don't agree with me?

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Reply #27)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 10:39 AM

29. The only thing I disagree with is the word 'pure'.

 

I agree Sanders would make a fine President. Early on, I said I would prefer just about anyone other than Clinton simply because I was tired of the entire Bush/Clinton era.

But she does seem fated to win this election so we must make the best of it. And I'm sure she will surprise many of her detractors.

I was making a generic comment about those who think Sanders is some sort of miracle man who descended from Olympus to save us.

You sound like you've been busy and that's always commendable.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]A ton of bricks, a ton of feathers, it's still gonna hurt.[/center][/font][hr]

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 10:19 AM

20. To someone versed in religious studies

this sounds awfully cult like.

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Response to Nonhlanhla (Reply #20)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 10:24 AM

24. I am reading my second book written by North Korean refugees

They are taught that "Dear Leader" is so perfect he doesn't even have to relieve himself.

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Response to Nonhlanhla (Reply #20)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 10:24 AM

25. I'm not very religious...

Probably would not have drank the koolaid but I did enjoy the Jonestown movie.

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Response to Nonhlanhla (Reply #20)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 02:09 PM

49. I'm not familiar and it sounded like the New Testament to me nt

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 10:23 AM

23. You'd probably be better off saying it is just not his time

But that he could start influencing the next generation of politicians to bring his message to the masses in the future.

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Response to Godhumor (Reply #23)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 10:50 AM

34. It's NEVER time according to the New Democrat Template

 

The issues Bernie is leading on should have been part of the political discussion since 1990. He is not talking about some new trend or radical concept.



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Response to Armstead (Reply #34)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 10:52 AM

35. That's how many of us feel about a female president

when people say "I'd love a female president, just not THIS one." It seems it's NEVER time for one according to the patriarchal template.

I get your frustration, though. The problem is that Bernie has never before tried to build a movement around his issues. That's what's needed to bring about a revolution.

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Response to Nonhlanhla (Reply #35)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 11:24 AM

36. He's been building a movement for 40 years

 

He, Wellstone and other progressives have been working to build a movement as a counterbalance to the GOP and Democrat Corporatism for a longtime...The fact the his campaign has come so far so fast is evidence if that.

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Response to Armstead (Reply #36)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 11:44 AM

38. Really? Where is it?

Bernie should have worked for years to help elect other progressives. He would probably have done better if he had joined the Dems a long time ago in order to help build the necessary infrastructure for a revolution. Suddenly running for president at the age of 74 does not a evolution make. I like Bernie, but I don't see it.

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Response to Nonhlanhla (Reply #38)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 12:59 PM

45. Pay attention to history

 

There has been plenty of activity over the years, and Bernie has been involved. For example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Progressive_Caucus

The Congressional Progressive Caucus (CPC) is the largest membership organization within the Democratic congressional caucus in the United States Congress with 69 declared members.[4] The CPC is a left-leaning organization that works to advance progressive and liberal issues and positions.[5][6][7]

The CPC is currently co-chaired by U.S. Representatives Raśl Grijalva (D-AZ) and Keith Ellison (D-MN). It was founded in 1991 and has grown steadily since then, having more recently added 20 members since 2005 and having hired its first full-time Executive Director, Bill Goold

The CPC is committed to government of the people, by the people, and for the people. Their policy agenda is rooted in four core principles: (1) fighting for economic justice and security in the U.S. and global economies; (2) protecting and preserving civil rights and civil liberties; (3) promoting global peace and security; and (4) strengthening environmental protection and energy independence. Their fundamental fairness plan reflects national priorities that are consistent with the values, needs, and hopes of all Americans, not just the powerful and the privileged. Accordingly, the CPC also advocates "universal access to affordable, high quality healthcare", fair trade agreements, living wage laws, the right of all workers to organize into labor unions and engage in collective bargaining, the abolition of the USA PATRIOT Act, the legalization of same-sex marriage, US participation in international treaties such as the climate change related Kyoto Accords, strict campaign finance reform laws, a crackdown on corporate welfare and influence, an increase in income tax rates on upper-middle and upper class households, tax cuts for the poor, and an increase in welfare spending by the federal government.[8]

Legislative history[edit]
The Congressional Progressive Caucus (CPC) was established in 1991 by six members of the United States House of Representatives: U.S. Representatives Ron Dellums (D-CA), Lane Evans (D-IL), Thomas Andrews (D-ME), Peter DeFazio (D-OR), Maxine Waters (D-CA), and Bernie Sanders (I-VT). .....Then-U.S. Representative Bernie Sanders was the convener and first CPC Chairman. Bill Goold served as Staff Coordinator for the Progressive Caucus in its early years until 1998.

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Response to Armstead (Reply #45)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 02:01 PM

46. You really think that is enough?

If you want to see how a revolution happens, look at the way conservatives have taken over school boards et al, gerrymandered districts to the point where they control Congress even without lifting a finger, etc. A revolution is built from the bottom up. Where are the progressives that Bernie helped elect? How can you be the leader of a revolution if you don't build one?

Not only do I pay attention to history, I've lived through and participated in huge social transformation as a young person in South Africa. I have seen first hand what it takes if you want to fundamentally change a society. I'm not seeing anything like that here (and I've lived in the United States now for almost two decades). I'm just seeing an old man who no longer has enough years left to build a movement, and bunch of angry, aggressive followers. I don't see a movement. So color me skeptical.

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Response to Nonhlanhla (Reply #46)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 02:04 PM

47. Yeah move those goalposts...Buh Bye. I'm too busy for circular arguments

 

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Response to Nonhlanhla (Reply #35)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 11:42 AM

37. He founded the congressional progressive caucus.

Unfortunately Americans as a whole are entertained to death, worked to death, and made to feel marginalized in politics.

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Response to lostnfound (Reply #37)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 11:45 AM

39. Well, that's something. nt.

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Response to Nonhlanhla (Reply #39)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 10:47 PM

52. The Progressive caucus is actually the largest caucus but not very powerful because money talks

In my opinion, Americans are trained to be passive and entertained to death from birth.
Organizations like the Tea Party arise because they are funded by the billionaires who expect a payback in political power.
It's gone beyond political favors into direct political power, because in the Bush years, the lobbyists have been able to literally WRITE the legislation that gets voted upon.
The revolutionary part of Bernie is in breaking the link between a viable presidential candidacy and corporate / superPAC money.
You are right that we don't have the big movement you saw elsewhere. You probably won't see it here, either, because the constructs in our minds have been carefully pruned from a young age.

I for one will go back to political sleep and/or drink myself into oblivion, when Bernie loses.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 10:42 AM

31. Oh good grief

Get ahold of yourself man this is whining.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 10:43 AM

32. I'm with you on that.

Though, I'm not going to let it stop me from voting for Bernie or someone else who shares my values.

In the primary AND the general.

No more voting for 'good enough' or the lesser of the two evils.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 10:47 AM

33. The opposite is what you need to remember.

The nation's about to fly apart. We need a person who knows how to build coalitions to work togeth-ah.

Here in Michigan, despite what the polls say, even republicans are dumping their greed long enough to vote for Bernie.

That's going from discussions with neighbors, family, strangers around SE Michigan.

In other parts of the state, they haven't heard much about Bernie. When they do, they will like what they learn.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 11:52 AM

41. 50% of Americans would not vote for a socialist

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 11:53 AM

42. Nobody is that good

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 11:55 AM

43. We didn't deserve Bush either.

 

Bush stole the election. Gore won and is who Americans deserved by way of the vote.

Strange way to message.

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Fri Feb 26, 2016, 02:07 PM

48. They have been lied to for decades by Big Money...

...and you think they don't deserve some relief.

This smacks of victim-blaming, I'm afraid.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 05:53 PM

50. just give them the head-to-head polls

Sanders is ahead, Clinton behind, because she has nothing to offer against Trump besides 1. watered-down versions of what he proposes or 2. vague liberish promises nobody trusts her to keep

the party's encouraged mislogic to keep going for 20 years, and you have to point it out to your friends that they're letting the party and its carefully-cultivated fears do their thinking for them

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 06:12 PM

51. I think it may actually be to your benefit that he has no shot of winning the nomination.

Because winning the Presidency and then actually having to do something would be a harsh reality check for most of Bernie's supporters.

The fact his, he's a career politician who has been playing the game for three decades. And there's nothing wrong with that. He seems like a great guy who is on the right side of many, many issues, but running an entire branch of government takes a whole lot more than just good ideas.

In a hypothetical Sanders presidency, he either sticks to his positions and crashes and burns, or he compromises and gets accused of being a "corporatist" or "third wayer" or whatever nonsensical name is the insult of the day here. Either way, it would have been an extremely rude awakening. Better to have it all be a pipe dream, and let you keep the magical halo in your imagination.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 10:48 PM

53. fear has trained the authoritarian democrats well

 

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