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Sat Feb 27, 2016, 02:04 PM

 

Does Hillary Still Belong to The Family aka The Fellowship? Worse than Goldwater.

The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power

Did you know that the National Prayer Breakfast is sponsored by a shadowy cabal of elite Christian fundamentalists? Jeff Sharlet's new book, "The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power," offers a rare glimpse of this remarkable network, which is known variously as the Family, the Fellowship and the International Foundation.

The Family was founded 70 years ago by Abraham Vereide, a Norwegian immigrant evangelist based in Seattle. In 1935, Vereide said, God appeared to him in a vision and revealed where Christianity had gone wrong: preoccupation with the poor, the weak and the suffering.

The down-and-out were in no position to bring about the Kingdom of God, Vereide realized. ...(God's) new plan was to target men who were already powerful and turn them to God -- and wouldn't you know it, God hated unions, too. ...The Family does not publish membership lists, and its members are sworn to secrecy, so a full accounting is impossible.

Sen. Hillary Clinton has been involved with the Family since 1993 when, as first lady, she joined a White House prayer circle for political wives. Clinton has also sought spiritual counseling from the current head of the Family, Doug Coe. Sharlet argues that Clinton's longtime association with the Family has helped her forge working relationships with powerful religious conservatives such as Family member and anti-abortion crusader Sen. Sam Brownback of Kansas. ...

The Family also runs a house on C Street in Washington, D.C. The C Street Center has housed a number of federal legislators, including Sen. John Ensign of Nevada. Residents allege that the center is just a cheap place to live, but as an Ivanwald brother, Sharlet saw firsthand that the center is a religious community. As far as the IRS is concerned, the C Street Center is a church.
http://www.alternet.org/story/87665/worse_than_fascists%3A_christian_political_group_'the_family'_openly_reveres_hitler


Hillary's Nasty Pastorate

The Family's most visible activity is its blandly innocuous National Prayer
Breakfast, held every February in Washington. But almost all its real work goes
on behind the scenes -- knitting together international networks of rightwing
leaders, most of them ostensibly Christian. In the 1940s, The Family
reached out to former and not-so-former Nazis, and its fascination with that
exemplary leader, Adolph Hitler, has continued, along with ties to a whole
bestiary of murderous thugs.
As Sharlet reported in Harper's in 2003:

During the 1960s the Family forged relationships between the U.S. government
and some of the most anti-Communist (and dictatorial) elements within Africa's
postcolonial leadership. The Brazilian dictator General Costa e Silva, with
Family support, was overseeing regular fellowship groups for Latin American
leaders, while, in Indonesia, General Suharto (whose tally of several hundred
thousand "Communists" killed marks him as one of the century's most murderous
dictators) was presiding over a group of fifty Indonesian legislators. During
the Reagan Administration the Family helped build friendships between the U.S.
government and men such as Salvadoran general Carlos Eugenios Vides Casanova,
convicted by a Florida jury of the torture of thousands, and Honduran general
Gustavo Alvarez Martinez, himself an evangelical minister, who was linked to
both the CIA and death squads before his own demise.


At the heart of the Family's American branch is a collection of powerful
rightwing politicos, who include, or have included, Sam Brownback, Ed Meese,
John Ashcroft, James Inhofe, and Rick Santorum. They get to use the Family's
spacious estate on the Potomac, the Cedars, which is maintained by young men in
Family group homes and where meals are served by the Family's young women's
group. And, at the Family's frequent prayer gatherings, they get powerful jolts
of spiritual refreshment, tailored to the already-powerful.


Clinton fell in with the Family in 1993, when she joined a Bible study group
composed of wives of conservative leaders like Jack Kemp and James Baker. When
she ascended to the senate, she was promoted to what Sharlet calls the Family's
"most elite cell," the weekly Senate Prayer Breakfast, which included, until his
downfall, Virginia's notoriously racist Senator George Allen. This has not been
a casual connection for Clinton. She has written of Doug Coe, the Family's
publicity-averse leader, that he is "a unique presence in Washington: a
genuinely loving spiritual mentor and guide to anyone, regardless of party or
faith, who wants to deepen his or her relationship with God."

Furthermore, the Family takes credit for some of Clinton's rightward
legislative tendencies,
including her support for a law guaranteeing "religious
freedom" in the workplace, such as for pharmacists who refuse to fill birth
control prescriptions and police officers who refuse to guard abortion clinics.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barbara-ehrenreich/hillarys-nasty-pastorate_b_92361.html

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Reply Does Hillary Still Belong to The Family aka The Fellowship? Worse than Goldwater. (Original post)
99th_Monkey Feb 2016 OP
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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 02:06 PM

1. Kr

 

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Response to tk2kewl (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 05:38 PM

47. That would be really fucked up if she were! The Family goes beyond religion, verging on cult. nt

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 02:07 PM

2. What's wrong with being religious?

Surely The Family supports family stuff. See? Family is in their name! Why do you hate America?















sarcasm

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Response to tazkcmo (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 02:10 PM

3. HA! You almost had me there.

 

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 02:17 PM

5. hee hee!

Good post 99th! Thanks! The Family is one scary ass outfit.

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Response to tazkcmo (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 02:15 PM

4. make sure you check in here too

 

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Response to tazkcmo (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 02:42 PM

7. Christians are so unlike their Christ

 

Mahatma Gandhi ~ "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

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Response to Jenny_92808 (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 03:53 PM

20. tis true

and Mahatma Gandhi knew

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Response to erlewyne (Reply #20)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 04:23 PM

29. Someone, but probably not Ghandi. Pls. see Reply 28

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Response to Jenny_92808 (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 04:22 PM

28. FYI. No one can find that comment in anything written or said by Ghandi. Attributing it to Ghandi is

probably internet mischief/bs, like attributing that definition of insanity to Einstein.

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Response to merrily (Reply #28)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 11:14 AM

88. Are you pulling a Clinton

 

Calling something a lie when you don't know.

Link please "NO ONE can find that comment"

http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/22155-i-like-your-christ-i-do-not-like-your-christians

Here is another one I like -

Mahatma Gandhi ~ "First they ignore you, then laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."

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Response to Jenny_92808 (Reply #88)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 06:51 PM

99. A link? Here are many links. (You really should google before requesting a link.)

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Response to merrily (Reply #28)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 11:50 AM

90. NO ONE?

 

"A 1926 review [1] by the Reverend W.P. King (then pastor of the First Methodist Church of Gainesville, Georgia) of E. Stanley Jones's The Christ of the Indian Road (published in 1925 by The Abington Press, New York City) includes the following,

Dr. Jones says that the greatest hindrance to the Christian gospel in India is a dislike for western domination, western snobbery, the western theological system, western militarism and western race prejudice. Gandhi, the great prophet of India, said, "I love your Christ, but I dislike your Christianity." The embarrassing fact is that India judges us by our own professed standard. In reply to a question of Dr. Jones as to how it would be possible to bring India to Christ, Gandhi replied: First, I would suggest that all of you Christians live more like Jesus Christ. Second, I would suggest that you practice your Christianity without adulterating it. The anomalous situation is that most of us would be equally shocked to see Christianity doubted or put into practice. Third, I would suggest that you put more emphasis on love, for love is the soul and center of Christianity. Fourth, I would suggest that you study the non-Christian religions more sympathetically in order to find the good that is in them, so that you might have a more sympathetic approach to the people."

http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=61900

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Response to Jenny_92808 (Reply #90)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 06:44 PM

98. Yes, no one and your source shows no different, if you read it all.

First, finding someone attributing a remark to Ghandi is not the same as sourcing the remark to Ghandi. I can find many, many attributions to Ghandi online, including your own post.

Second, the material at the link you provided concludes that either this was an early apocryphal source or a mistake. Besides, the sources at your link are posters, like me and you.

You want to keep spreading disinformation around the internet, I can't stop you, but I can try.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 02:18 PM

6. Is there any indication she ever left? That's probably the better question

Imo of course. Probably safe to assume she's still with them unless there's evidence she renounced her association

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Response to Arazi (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 02:52 PM

10. Fair enough. Let's hear from our Hillarian friends about that ... nt

 

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 02:48 PM

8. Know Your BFEE: The Fellowship 'Preys" for America (Octafish Nov. 6, 2006)

 

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Response to bobthedrummer (Reply #8)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 11:42 AM

89. Dominionsm:

Doug Coe's "the Family, AKA: the Christian Mafia, they call themselves that. their organization was started by a Nazi, Abraham Vereide in 1934, they are still Nazi's. Vereide started the popular Prayer Breakfasts that Politicians are always going to.. Doug Coe, who picked up Vereides torch/cross personally draws up the guest list and chooses who speaks. Coe and 'Family' members call themselves the Christian Mafia. their organization is constructed of secret prayer cells. they have taken over the leadership of the GOP and the Evangelical movement.. they have merged with the Straussian NeoCons. they are using the Dominionists to push them into total power.. they believe that god talks thru the rich and the poor must submit to god's will ...

/... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1831053


(apologies for grammar)

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 02:50 PM

9. K & R

 

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 02:54 PM

11. I hear that she joined the Stonecutters with Homer Simpson and the lizard people

I also heard that once, in 3rd grade, it really was Hillary Rodham who stole the cookie from the cookie jar.


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Response to Tarc (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 02:55 PM

12. Nothing would surprise me what she's been involved in. n/t

 

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Response to Tarc (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 02:56 PM

13. I hear Hillarians habitually laugh-off and make light of her odious connections. nt

 

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #13)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 05:58 PM

55. Yes they do! It's a defensive response designed to neutralize uneasiness

The truth can be very uncomfortable sometimes.

Their candidate uses the same technique.

https://m.

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Response to Tarc (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 03:00 PM

14. That's where she learned her world class CYA tactics.

 

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Response to Tarc (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 04:33 PM

32. If you've got evidence to back it up,

 

we can add the Stonecutters, Lizard people and the cookie heist it to Hillary's very factual relationship with the Fellowship theocracy.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 03:06 PM

15. great, MORE Honduran connections

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 03:42 PM

16. What did Barry Goldwater say about that? Let's see:



Oopsie!

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Response to longship (Reply #16)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 04:17 PM

22. OMG! Barry Interesting!! nt

 

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #22)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 04:21 PM

26. Goldwater was, I think, a decent guy.

And I say that as a life-long hereditary liberal Democrat. (All the way back to the Farm Labor Party in the Twenties…not that I was alive then, but family members certainly were…)

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Response to longship (Reply #16)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 05:11 PM

45. Goldwater said that?

 

So Hillary evolved on that too..... huh.

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #45)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 06:04 PM

58. I have no problem with Hillary evolving.

I will gladly support and vote for her in the GE if she gets the nomination, even though she is far from my favorite. And that has nothing to do with her evolution, but where she refuses to evolve. She's not a very good candidate, IMHO. But we all knew that after 2008.

She may win the nomination, but I just pray that she has not pissed off so many Democrats and Independents that the GOP wins the White House and everything else.

Then, we really will be utterly screwn!

I suggest Hillary supporters start sucking up to the Bernie supporters now. You are going to need us. A bit of groveling wouldn't hurt, but I would not require that myself. However, I do not know how much groveling Hillary could do to repair the damage.

She had better think very, very hard on this. I just don't know if there is enough to insure a November victory. She and her surrogates have utterly pissed off quite a few devoted Bernie supporters.

Myself, I am quite worried and very disappointed, but not pissed off. The pissed I reserve for the GOP candidate once the nominations become clear. I reserve the right to be disappointed in the Democratic candidate. It won't be the first time.

Let's stay together, folks.


Yup! Goldwater said that!

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 03:45 PM

17. Odd. I thought she belonged to the group "Born Again Capitalists."

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #17)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 04:35 PM

34. It's the same thing.

 

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 03:47 PM

18. Another misleading talking point from the BS group. The innuendo carries the day. nt

 

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Response to Jitter65 (Reply #18)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 04:20 PM

25. Which FACTS cited in the articles linked are incorrect in OP? nt

 

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Response to Jitter65 (Reply #18)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 04:33 PM

33. So who should we believe, the Hillary Clinton Group or our own lying eyes?*

 

Do you have any links debunking those provided in the OP?













*apologies to Richard Pryor

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Response to Jitter65 (Reply #18)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 04:41 PM

37. Well, the one fact was that Hillary was/is in "The Family"

Now one can dispute that if one wants, or maybe people can just discuss what an insidious group this is.

If I were a presidential nominee who did not want to be associated with theocracy, I would not go near them.

YMMV, as well as Hillary's.

N.B., I will still vote for her if she gets the nomination, but it won't be easy other than the fact that I will be voting straight Democratic.

If she loses to Trump, I won't have the blame cast on me.

I just don't like theocrats that much.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 03:52 PM

19. Ha!! :-D (You'll have to do better than that! Time's running out. Tick-tock!)


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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #19)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:23 PM

83. I'm waiting for the Mena airport thread, myself. nt

 

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #83)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:32 PM

85. Stand by ...

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #85)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:43 PM

86. Next...someone's gonna shoot melons in their backyard.....nt

 

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #86)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:51 PM

87. Oh, you! :-)

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 03:53 PM

21. Several questions come to mind.

If this organization has so much power behind the scenes, why haven't they been able to stop the Congressional investigations targeting Hillary?

Would a right winged religious organization made up mostly of men want to put a woman in the position Hillary is going for?

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #21)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 04:23 PM

30. Great questions. Ohly Hillary knows for sure. nt

 

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #21)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 04:39 PM

36. No guts?

 

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 04:18 PM

23. Unfortunately has become the norm... here is Obama @ the National Prayer Breakfast

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Response to JCMach1 (Reply #23)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 04:21 PM

27. Attending the Prayer Bkfst. is way different than being in The Family's "elite inner-circle"

 

If you read the articles you'll see what I mean.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 04:19 PM

24. She really is the Dem version of Mitt

 

Hillary Romney Clinton

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 04:31 PM

31. Serious question, also worth an answer.

Beyond that in the context of not just her flag burning legislation, but also her husband's communications decency act, her statements in the 90s about video games, as well as her comments this cycle hand-waving away "free speech et cetera" concerns, I think she owes us a clarification of her support for the first Amendment, which I think should be unequivocal and unwavering in any candidate we nominate.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #31)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 05:50 PM

52. Well, I suppose that would be helpful. But we can't even get any transcripts out of her.

 

So I doubt she'd ever consent to such a thing or volunteer it.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 04:38 PM

35. She's not a member of the Family, she did pray with them though.

Just as she joined the prayer breakfasts while in the Senate. Hillary is a woman of faith, she doesn't wear it on her sleeve, but anyone who knows her is aware that her faith is important to her. Those breakfasts were attended by a mix group of senators and politics was not allowed. Although the majority who attended were the more conservative senators. At one of these events Sam Brownback, one of the senators who pushed for Bill's impeachment and now governor of KS, stood up and apologized to her for having "hated" her and her husband.



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Response to Beacool (Reply #35)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 04:44 PM

38. A secretive, conservative and elite religious group

 

headquarted in Washington, that caters to politicians and is not political. Sure.

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Response to sulphurdunn (Reply #38)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 06:42 PM

66. The Senate prayer breakfasts are not secretive. Any Senator may attend.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #66)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:22 PM

82. Of course, all she ever did was go out to breakfast a few times.

 




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Response to Beacool (Reply #35)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 04:55 PM

41. Her faith is important because Jesus would approve the use of cluster munitions in civilian areas!

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If she is religious she sure has a hard time understanding the values presented as christian.

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Response to Rilgin (Reply #41)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 06:43 PM

67. Whatever.....

No matter what Hillary does, it offends some of you. So, who gives a fig anymore?

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Response to Beacool (Reply #67)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 07:58 PM

77. Mirror image. You say whatever to anything she has done including cluster munitions.

That seems to be the difference. I would rather be on my side of a lot of her votes and stances. Those particular votes offend me in a Democratic party candidate.

You don't seem to have a problem with anything that is pointed put to you that should give you at least some questions

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Response to Rilgin (Reply #77)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:21 PM

80. A vote to allow the use of cluster munitions should offend anyone - especially knowing how they

have and are being used and who suffers most.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #80)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:50 PM

81. Yes this is one other clearest of her problem votes.

Many of her votes were problematic but she could make up an excuse. This vote had no excuses. It was a single bill for a humanitarian purpose. Every democrat should have voted for the ban.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #35)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 05:19 PM

46. She's not a member of the Family,

 

No, she just associates, prays and admires their theologists ..... and theology.

She has written of Doug Coe, the Family's
publicity-averse leader, that he is "a unique presence in Washington: a
genuinely loving spiritual mentor and guide to anyone, regardless of party or
faith, who wants to deepen his or her relationship with God."



BTW.... all this was reported back during the C-Street House sexual rendezvous scandal.... back in 2009? was it?

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #46)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 05:55 PM

54. Wow, the more stuff like this comes out

the more bizarre she seems to be.

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #46)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 06:44 PM

68. She communities with quite a few religious leaders.

Not all of them are Christian either.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 04:46 PM

39. I read about The Family years ago. Bad bunch for Democrats.

 

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 04:47 PM

40. i've heard that she's secretly a vampire

have you ever seen her reflection in a mirror? she also seems to avoid them - very clever of her.

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Response to MariaThinks (Reply #40)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:08 PM

96. But her activity with the Family is not fantasy. Somewhere

there is a picture that has her and Bill setting on a WH veranda praying so the press can see. If I am not mistaken the caption talks about her involvement with the Family. I have no idea how to find the link. Sorry.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 04:56 PM

42. Which Hillary?

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 05:02 PM

43. Same old issue different article. No fresh articles supporting Bernie?

Very telling how you choose to spend your time in these waning hours for Bernie but hey, get in as many as you can under the wire.

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Response to great white snark (Reply #43)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 05:47 PM

49. Same old issue?

 

I hadn't seen this at all recently on DU. Have you?

Maybe I missed it.

I just thought I recalled something about this from long ago, and so was curious if
I was remembering correctly ,. and I pretty much remembered it right.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 05:02 PM

44. Jesus Wept! enough said.

 

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 05:45 PM

48. wow

 

Learned something new about her.


Thank you for posting this

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Response to togetherforever (Reply #48)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 05:48 PM

50. You're welcome.

 

I thought I recalled something about this weirdness from years ago, and so was curious if
I was remembering it correctly .. and yep .. there it was on my googles.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 05:50 PM

51. I've always been bothered by that "prayer" breakfast.

Apparently, in addition to wearing a flag pin, one must beat their breast and wave their Bible to be an acceptable politician. It's especially sickening after reading Sharlet's book.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #51)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 06:00 PM

56. What's interesting is that the Prayer Breakfast is just their public happy face

 

which appears innocuous enough .. I mean hell, we all need more prayers right? .. esp.
if we're the President .. but as you know from Sharlet's book, it goes so much deeper than
that, and is all secretive about it.

And Hillary was apparently welcomed into The Family's "most elite cell", whatever the hell
that means.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 05:50 PM

53. Lather, rinse & repeat.

 

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Response to giftedgirl77 (Reply #53)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 06:02 PM

57. Exactly. One odious connection after another. Drip, drip, drip. Lather, rinse & repeat. nt

 

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #57)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 06:05 PM

59. Or an old tired out story that gets brought out every time there's

 

a lull in anti-hillary stories.

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Response to giftedgirl77 (Reply #59)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 06:08 PM

60. I actually had not noticed it before on DU

 

But since these posts are so plentiful & you're so familiar with
them, would you mind providing a link so I can check out my
what 'competition' is up to?

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #60)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 06:12 PM

61. I would never have heard about it if I had never found out about DU.

 

I'm on my phone but I'll see what I can do.

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Response to giftedgirl77 (Reply #62)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 06:38 PM

63. Thank you.

 

much appreciated.


Two are from 2015 summer and one from '08. Yes, I did miss them, so
again, it's good to know this has come up before. I honestly didn't know.

BTW- how do you deal with that this group is reported to "Openly Revere
Hitler"? Doesn't that raise any questions?

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #63)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 06:41 PM

65. Is that "the family" you are referring to?

 

I want to make sure I'm actually researching the right group. Just throwing those keywords into Google will lead me to some dark places.

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Response to giftedgirl77 (Reply #65)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 06:48 PM

71. Yes. but it's both The Family .. and .. The Fellowship .. it goes by both/either/or ..

 

This AlterNet link has reference to the Hitler thing, in the headline actually...
http://www.alternet.org/story/87665/worse_than_fascists%3A_christian_political_group_'the_family'_openly_reveres_hitler

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #71)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 07:03 PM

73. Ok, I'm going to look into it & get back to you.

 

HRC has some serious issues, especially from a foreign policy standpoint.

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Response to giftedgirl77 (Reply #73)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 07:07 PM

74. Cool.

 

I'll look for it.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #74)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 07:34 PM

75. Ok, so far I read the article you just sent me & this is what I got so far.

 

As a retired Soldier I will say that not only does a lot of this make sense it rings very true especially pushing the Christian doctrine as far as possible. What I got from HRC is that this group gleamed her as a "third gender type" (wtf in itself) because she wasn't just a woman but could hold a conversation when it came to business/politics & other than some prayer breakfasts there may have been some counseling by a guy named Come (got to learn about him).

Now is there more info into Hillary's involvement because I have been subjected to more than my fair share of those things due to them conveniently labeled mental fitness training or some crap. While they may not have been mandatory for her it may have been a way to get her foot into a very tight good old boys club?

As I said I believe this is a very real organization, I'm just looking for as much information as I can.

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Response to giftedgirl77 (Reply #75)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 07:54 PM

76. Me too.

 

looking for as much information as I can.

I keep thinking I've reached the bottom, the worse .. but then another layer to the
onion keeps showing up, and I go ... "hmm. what's this?"

With Hillary "the more I see, the less I like" meme seems to hold a lot of water. But
i am genuinely curious, not just "building a case" out of thin air.

I/we may need to live with her for 4-8 years in the WH -- which I doubt, but still..
forewarned is forearmed, or something like that.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #76)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 08:24 PM

78. I don't doubt there is a lot of dirty creepy shit going on.

 

What I wouldn't understand is if HRC is really deep into this & there is some sort of ties to the thought processes or vision of Hitler why does HRC have such an alliegence to Israel?

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Response to giftedgirl77 (Reply #78)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 08:43 PM

79. The Israel connect is an interesting wrinkle ...

 

However I don't always equate being "Pro-Israel" as necessarily being pro-Jewish.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #63)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 11:57 AM

92. Hitler attained absolute political power,

for a time, within his sphere of operations.

Absolute power is what such people crave.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 06:39 PM

64. ""You guys," David said, "are here to learn how to rule the world."

That would be David Coe, Doug's son and the more visible head of The Family, the semi-secret group of fundamentalist nutwads who believe they are chosen by God to control the world.

He walked to the National Geographic map of the world mounted on the wall. "You guys know about Genghis Khan?" he asked. "Genghis was a man with a vision. He conquered" — David stood on the couch under the map, tracing, with his hand, half the northern hemisphere — "nearly everything. He devastated nearly everything. His enemies? He beheaded them." David swiped a finger across his throat. "Dop, dop, dop, dop."



Writing in The Nation, Barbara Ehrenreich reported that Clinton described Family leader Doug Coe as "a unique presence in Washington: a genuinely loving spiritual mentor and guide to anyone, regardless of party or faith, who wants to deepen his or her relationship with God."


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106115324

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Response to DirkGently (Reply #64)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 06:44 PM

69. A "genuinely loving spiritual mentor and guide" who "openly reveres Hitler" apparently.

 

The Headline of the Alternate article reads: "Worse Than Fascists: Christian Political
Group 'The Family' Openly Reveres Hitler

Holy cripes ... I'd be concerned if I were supporting Hillary, but apparently this has been
somehow adequately "explained" and it's no big deal

I seriously do. not. get. it.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #69)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 06:46 PM

70. Yes they dig Hitler. And they formed to oppose the New Deal.


Jeff Sharlet's book on the group is good reading, although quite chilling.

Founded in 1935 in opposition to FDR's New Deal, the evangelical group's views on religion and politics are so singular that some other Christian-right organizations consider them heretical

The group also has a connection to a house in Washington, D.C., known as C Street. Owned by a foundation affiliated with the Family, C Street is officially registered as a church; in practice, it serves as a meeting place and residence for politicians like South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford, Nevada Sen. John Ensign and Oklahoma Sen. Tom Coburn.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106115324

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Response to DirkGently (Reply #70)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 06:50 PM

72. Wow this really is fascinating .. I must say, and more than a little creepy.

 

Thank you for sharing what you know.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:30 PM

84. I see she's already putting out info for the general election. nt

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 11:56 AM

91. This so called National Prayer Breakfast is where Ben Carson launched his political career

Trashing Barack Obama in his presence. I suspect Obama had to go along with this sham to try to keep the whack jobs from saying he is a Muslim. As if they would stop saying it no matter what he did.

I didn't know the background of this annual ceremony. Thanks for the post.

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Response to BernieforPres2016 (Reply #91)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 12:10 PM

94. Thanks for the bit about Ben Carson.

 

I didn't know that piece. and you're welcome for the OP ... yet another layer to the Clinton
onion of questionable connections.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 12:07 PM

93. She sickens me more and more every day.

 

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 12:17 PM

95. OMG!! She prays?? She eats kittens too!

I saw it on the DU!!!

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Response to Lil Missy (Reply #95)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 03:14 PM

101. Hillarians love to screech about "BernieBros borrowing RW Hillary-hating talking-points"

 

But when it comes to Hillary actually BEING a RWer & DOING what RWers DO ..
.. and belonging to their RW secretive organizations ... hey, no problemo.

Sometimes you guys crack me up.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 02:45 PM

100. It's allied with the New Apostolic Reformation/NAR, God help US all...

 

The New Apostolic Reformation (Wikipedia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Apostolic_Reformation

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 03:20 PM

102. What a creepy fundy cult that is. She should be ashamed of any association with that right wing

anti Constitutional organization, past or present.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #102)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:47 PM

103. It is beyond all doubt-a CULT sabrina 1 and it has morphed over the years, and it is SECRETIVE.

 

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 05:28 PM

104. Doubtless some of her elite friends do, 99th Monkey.

 

Two Clintons. 41 Years. $3 Billion. Inside The Clinton Donor Network (Washington Post November 2015)
"Both Clintons declined to be interviewed or comment for this article."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/clinton-money

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Response to bobthedrummer (Reply #104)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:21 PM

105. I don't blame them for not wanting to comment

 

because they'd likely be asked if they now "denounce" The Family & it's RW agenda for America.

That would put them in a tight spot.

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