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Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 12:58 AM Feb 2016

Tonight I went to a Bernie rally and saw what America looks like

The media may want to make us believe that losing one state means Bernie's campaign is done for, but what I saw in Rochester, Minnesota tonight destroys the media narrative.

Tonight I attended a Bernie rally that began not long after it was announced that Hillary had won South Carolina by a big margin.

Did that dampen the enthusiasm of the crowd? Not one bit.

This was not only a very enthusiastic crowd, but it was a very diverse crowd as well. Minnesota may be a mostly white state, but this crowd was filled with diversity. There were black, white, Latino, Somalians, Asians, Native Americans, Indian Americans, it was one of the most diverse political rallies I have seen in Minnesota. There were also a lot of women in the crowd and ages ranging from teenagers to seniors and everything in between.

Bernie may be having trouble attracting people of color in the south, but he seems to have made major gains across demographics in Minnesota because this rally was far more diverse than the previous rallies I had attended.

Of the three Bernie rallies I have attended throughout the campaign, Bernie delivered his best speech at this one. He used more humor than he normally does but still hit on all the serious issues. The crowd loved every minute of it and it was clear that no one felt defeated by South Carolina. We still have 46 states ahead of us and the Bernie campaign is as motivated as ever.

Tonight I went to a Bernie rally and saw what America looks like (Original Post) Bjorn Against Feb 2016 OP
That's great to hear. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2016 #1
Thank You For Sharing This Wonderful News cantbeserious Feb 2016 #2
CNN reported from the rally. And quote: "This crowd is not diverse" itsrobert Feb 2016 #3
Well then CNN is flat out lying Bjorn Against Feb 2016 #5
Sorry, I don't agree itsrobert Feb 2016 #9
No I was not watching on TV, I was actually there Bjorn Against Feb 2016 #12
Good for you itsrobert Feb 2016 #13
Nice try pretending you know more about the crowd than I do when you were not there Bjorn Against Feb 2016 #14
CNN was there, the reporter was very clear itsrobert Feb 2016 #15
Sorry I trust my own eyes more than a report from a pundit Bjorn Against Feb 2016 #16
He was actually a reporter itsrobert Feb 2016 #17
Yeah a reporter from a 24 hour gossip channel that lost its credibility years ago Bjorn Against Feb 2016 #18
Don't believe your lying eyes!!! CNN said it, so it's true!!! noiretextatique Feb 2016 #63
I believe they said MuseRider Feb 2016 #78
Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #28
What exactly do you buy? The MSM? highprincipleswork Feb 2016 #32
Of course you're not madokie Feb 2016 #45
You are calling a fellow DUer a LIAR. That is against TOS. peacebird Feb 2016 #52
CNN has no more credibility than Fox "News". Enthusiast Feb 2016 #24
CNN. 'nough said. nt artislife Feb 2016 #26
CNN what a joke! Geronimoe Feb 2016 #34
and we all know CNN would never lie fit their narrative right? smiley Feb 2016 #50
Since the OP was physically there The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2016 #7
CNN - parent company - Time Warner Beowulf Feb 2016 #25
Hmmm...much maligned CNN could be right here.. pkdu Feb 2016 #41
Right about what? I see plenty of blacks browns and asians there. trillion Feb 2016 #53
Plus Rochester is not all that far from the Twin Cities so it jwirr Feb 2016 #79
They weren't even on stage rjsquirrel Feb 2016 #49
He's not getting them in South Carolina. You can bet he has nearly all of the college vote trillion Feb 2016 #54
Just look at how lily white it was in these pics taken last nite.... jillan Feb 2016 #74
"It's only just begun." southerncrone Feb 2016 #4
YES WE CAN grasswire Feb 2016 #6
Uh huh MaggieD Feb 2016 #8
We're you there too? tk2kewl Feb 2016 #59
K&R dchill Feb 2016 #10
Thanks! Great report! Peace Patriot Feb 2016 #11
Thanks for this. Nyan Feb 2016 #19
The DNC and MSNBC are in lock step. erlewyne Feb 2016 #20
It's on C-span now. elleng Feb 2016 #21
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #22
Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast Feb 2016 #23
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #27
I'm so jealous...I was going to that but a health issue kept me away. Punkingal Feb 2016 #29
K & R desmiller Feb 2016 #30
Bjorn vs. CNN? Iwillnevergiveup Feb 2016 #31
ha! Bjorn gets my nod. 840high Feb 2016 #36
Sure? pkdu Feb 2016 #38
+1000 eom noiretextatique Feb 2016 #64
K & R! TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #33
You make this Californian who's leaning Hillary wish I'd been at that rally with you. Sounds great! NBachers Feb 2016 #35
K & R Petrushka Feb 2016 #37
Care to comment? pkdu Feb 2016 #39
Yes, it was a great speech. Bjorn Against Feb 2016 #58
Deploy the melanin detectors!!!! jeff47 Feb 2016 #71
OK, I will comment. TM99 Feb 2016 #76
Perfect. I don't stand around counting POC every place I go jwirr Feb 2016 #80
And that's why you are not a racist TM99 Feb 2016 #82
Thank you TM99 you have brought tears to my eyes. jwirr Feb 2016 #84
You are very welcome! TM99 Feb 2016 #85
Pfft - you obviously didnt read the OP with the same mindset. nt pkdu Feb 2016 #86
Pfft right back at you. TM99 Feb 2016 #87
Feel good piece Stuckinadeepredstate Feb 2016 #40
Cool story bro. snagglepuss Feb 2016 #43
this post contains the essense of that rally pdsimdars Feb 2016 #42
K&R Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #44
He's lost three states, not one BainsBane Feb 2016 #46
Minority voters in MN moondust Feb 2016 #47
It's not that. jeff47 Feb 2016 #72
We used to think of it as the Biblebelt but I think you are jwirr Feb 2016 #81
White? rjsquirrel Feb 2016 #48
Look up... CdnExtraNational Feb 2016 #55
Thank you! Some Hillarians want us to throw in the towel after SC, but we are in it to win it! peacebird Feb 2016 #51
I think it was Bravenak that posted that ALBliberal Feb 2016 #56
civic involvement is closely tied to education...the less you know (or have learned), the less you islandmkl Feb 2016 #57
Which says to me: low-information voters noiretextatique Feb 2016 #66
I would noiretextatique Feb 2016 #65
Perhaps Nevada is more representative of the country's minority voting blocks ALBliberal Feb 2016 #68
Perhaps noiretextatique Feb 2016 #70
This is definitley true. jeff47 Feb 2016 #73
I just moved from Oakland to Atlanta noiretextatique Feb 2016 #75
Another poster talked about the poverty in SC and the lack of jwirr Feb 2016 #83
It has been hard to get the Bernie sign because they are taken fast. But I finally got one yesterday kgnu_fan Feb 2016 #60
Let the South vote... and then let's GET IT ON. AzDar Feb 2016 #61
Yep marions ghost Feb 2016 #67
Saw that rally on BernieTV 2016... MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #62
Sanders had big rallies in SC...maybe rallies don't translate to votes brooklynite Feb 2016 #69
Oh to be able to attend a Bernie rally Land of Enchantment Feb 2016 #77

The Velveteen Ocelot

(112,921 posts)
1. That's great to hear.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:01 AM
Feb 2016

I'll be caucusing for Bernie next Tuesday in Minneapolis. I think he has a really good chance of winning Minnesota.


(14,157 posts)
3. CNN reported from the rally. And quote: "This crowd is not diverse"
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:06 AM
Feb 2016

You may have been been focused on the stage where campaigns place "people of color" as back drops for their speeches. I noticed during Bernie's speech they positioned them perfectly to fill the screen on his right and left and above his head. As the camera panned from the stage, the crowd got whiter and whiter the further from the stage the camera went.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
5. Well then CNN is flat out lying
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:12 AM
Feb 2016

I was actually in the crowd, I was not just focused behind the stage. I had people of color standing all around me, I saw them in the line, I saw them in numerous places throughout the crowd, if CNN's cameras missed them that would suggest to me that they were purposely avoiding them. This was not an all white crowd, not even close.

It us flat out false to say that the people sitting behind Bernie were "strategically placed", the diversity of the people sitting behind Bernie were representative of the crowd as a whole.


(14,157 posts)
9. Sorry, I don't agree
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:21 AM
Feb 2016

They were put there to show diversity. Most all campaigns do it. You weren't watching on tv, so you didn't get the precise camera angle view. And as the camera panned from the stage the crowd got extremely white. Afterall, Minnesota is 84 percent white to begin with. Maybe it's your perspective on diversity? Your view is Minnesota, mine is California. You may think 16 out of 100 people is diverse, My perspective starts about 4 out of 10.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
12. No I was not watching on TV, I was actually there
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:25 AM
Feb 2016

Which means I got a much better view of the crowd than you did. Are you trying to tell me that the people I stood next to and the people I stood in line with, the people I saw throughout the crowd were strategically placed? I am sure that would be news to them.

Sorry but your view from California did not allow you to see as many people I saw in my five hours plus at the event site.


(27,275 posts)
63. Don't believe your lying eyes!!! CNN said it, so it's true!!!
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 11:08 AM
Feb 2016
the things one has to do...
Remember how the media downplayed the Iraq war protests? I do too.


(33,916 posts)
78. I believe they said
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 07:40 PM
Feb 2016

the same thing about the rally in Kansas City. I spent 3 cold hours in line and am too short to see the stage but I could see all the people around me and like you, I saw America.

Response to itsrobert (Reply #17)


(51,076 posts)
45. Of course you're not
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 04:59 AM
Feb 2016

Hillary wouldn't approve of it, now would she.

You should have seen the crowd here in Tulsa Wednesday night. I'm sure you probably wouldn't think it was a diverse crowd either but you would be wrong

The Velveteen Ocelot

(112,921 posts)
7. Since the OP was physically there
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:16 AM
Feb 2016

and would have had to stand in line and mingle with the crowd, I expect he was in an excellent position to report on its composition. Minnesota, at least its larger cities, is more diverse than most people think. However, Rochester, where this event occurred, is pretty affluent, mainly due to the Mayo Clinic; and Olmsted County tends to vote GOP. So it's especially good to hear that there was a good turnout for Bernie.



(1,859 posts)
53. Right about what? I see plenty of blacks browns and asians there.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 06:59 AM
Feb 2016

It looks like it represents the general population's minority distribution.



(4,762 posts)
49. They weren't even on stage
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 06:51 AM
Feb 2016

Sorry but what? The Minnesota stage was almost all full of young white faces too.

Bernie has a problem, and it's an old one for progressives. He ain't winning without black votes. He ain't getting black votes.



(1,859 posts)
54. He's not getting them in South Carolina. You can bet he has nearly all of the college vote
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 07:04 AM
Feb 2016

no matter what color.

I wonder why...

And he's getting nearly all of the youth vote across the country.


I'm going to say they are very informed voters who did their homework and vetted.


(39,451 posts)
74. Just look at how lily white it was in these pics taken last nite....
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 06:03 PM
Feb 2016

Yep, no diversity whatsoever.


(5,506 posts)
4. "It's only just begun."
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:10 AM
Feb 2016

I watched that rally on CSPAN & it was the best speech I've seen Bernie give. He hit all the points that need to be addressed in this country & explained the back story well.
Hillary must promote the idea that she is already the nominee because it's all they've got. Plus, MSM has forced the idea that she is the "the chosen one" since the 2012 election was over. Egg on face if that doesn't come to pass. She never thought she'd have ANY competition in the primary, let alone this strong of a movement.
Now, if Elizabeth Warren would just announce Monday that she's backing Bernie, it would be all over but the crying.


(1,192 posts)
19. Thanks for this.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:42 AM
Feb 2016

We won't let the corporate media skew our perception of reality. Thanks. I needed this.

Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)


(9,522 posts)
29. I'm so jealous...I was going to that but a health issue kept me away.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:51 AM
Feb 2016

I'm definitely caucusing on Tuesday though!

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
58. Yes, it was a great speech.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 08:57 AM
Feb 2016

What exactly are you asking me to comment on? The tight shots that show the backs of people's heads and only show a small part of the crowd?



(8,352 posts)
76. OK, I will comment.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 06:53 PM
Feb 2016

Stop treating us fucking PoC as objects in your Where is Waldo game.

How is that for a comment?


(39,215 posts)
80. Perfect. I don't stand around counting POC every place I go
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 07:53 PM
Feb 2016

and when I saw Bernie in Duluth I did't count there either.



(8,352 posts)
82. And that's why you are not a racist
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 08:00 PM
Feb 2016

and those pushing this 'count the colored folk' meme are!



(8,352 posts)
85. You are very welcome!
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 08:11 PM
Feb 2016

I value all progressive allies no matter their race, creed, orientation, gender, or whatever. We need each other.

I know that it doesn't always seem like it here on this boards. There is so much rancor and bullshit. But I know that most agree with me out in the real world.



(8,352 posts)
87. Pfft right back at you.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 08:31 PM
Feb 2016

The OP shared their experience and highlighted that in order to counter the already well established Clinton supporter pattern of counting the color folks.

So try again.

40. Feel good piece
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 03:11 AM
Feb 2016

Minnesota is 86.9% white: not representative of the the country or the Democratic party. Tonight was actual evidence of BS' inability to connect with the most loyal group of voters in the Democratic coalition and you're offering anecdotal evidence that all of a sudden that will change...I don't dislike Bernie but the writing is on the wall. He has no path to the nomination. He has pulled his advertisements from the Southern states on Super Tuesday. You simply cannot rely on white people to win the Democratic nomination. Feel the bern.



(6,007 posts)
42. this post contains the essense of that rally
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 03:42 AM
Feb 2016

I am assuming. . . it is full of hope and positivity. Thank you. Nice post. And nice going to all those rallies. Soak it in.


(52,910 posts)
46. He's lost three states, not one
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 05:04 AM
Feb 2016

But Super Tuesday will reveal more. MN is a state he should be able to win. If he can't, I don't see how he gets to the nomination.

Its cool that Bernie is attracting more diverse supporters. When I phone bank for Hillary, in one office alone we have African American, Hispanic, Asian American, Somali, and Middle Eastern supporters. Diversity is one of the things I most like about the Dem party.


(19,575 posts)
47. Minority voters in MN
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 06:29 AM
Feb 2016

may indeed be different than minority voters in SC and other southern states.

Some of the old confederate states have been known to have a history of somewhat segregated, dual cultures even in modern times. If that's still the case, some southern blacks may naturally choose "anybody but the white guy from the other side of the tracks," while that may not be the case so much in northern states where minority and white cultures have historically been somewhat more integrated.

Similarly, I'm guessing many Republican voters may also be using the process of elimination: forget the establishment that has done nothing for them, but the racists still won't vote for the other party because of all the minorities there. Who does that leave with some chance of winning? The overtly racist Trump.


(26,549 posts)
72. It's not that.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 05:42 PM
Feb 2016

The South is very much more conservative than everywhere else. Even among its minority populations.

The "Communist enclaves" here in NC, also known as "the cities" would be considered moderate if transplanted to somewhere like CA. And that's only because they've spent the last 30 years importing Yankees.

It's not some complex racial boundary. It's the people here. Of all races.



(4,762 posts)
48. White?
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 06:47 AM
Feb 2016

I love Bernie (but am probably voting HRC) but as my wife and I were watching his speech last night we both noted that we saw NOT ONE nonwhite face on the podium behind him (a crowded bleacher). Bad messaging on a night you lose 96% of the black vote.



(105 posts)
55. Look up...
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 07:06 AM
Feb 2016

There are a few video thumbs in this thread. And several non-white behind Bernie Sanders on the podium.

Dishonesty is not helpful.


(2,227 posts)
56. I think it was Bravenak that posted that
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 07:12 AM
Feb 2016

Many AAs in SC didn't even know Bernie Sanders name. This to me is a breakdown in communicating the primary election process to the electorate (that a majority of AAs weren't aware of who the competing candidate was). Not just a communication breakdown by the campaigns... But a breakdown in our educational system specifically in the area of civics. Couple this with the extremely low voter turnout (was it really less than 20%?) and I feel it's a generally sad statement for the way we choose our candidates.


(5,275 posts)
57. civic involvement is closely tied to education...the less you know (or have learned), the less you
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 07:58 AM
Feb 2016

will tend to participate...this is a plan though out all the states via ALEC-drawn initiatives...

reality TV and X-box/PS#, etc. have drawn the attention of a generation...and who needs to know how government works?

it's sad...and it will most likely be way too late when a great deal of the people wake up to find themselves in a place 'they didn't see coming'...


(27,275 posts)
66. Which says to me: low-information voters
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 11:17 AM
Feb 2016

Tend to vote for the candidate with the most name recognition, regardless of race.


(27,275 posts)
65. I would
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 11:15 AM
Feb 2016

Take that with a grain of salt. Southern blacks, as a group, are probably more conservative than their eastern, western, and northern counterparts. Isn't the same true for southern whites? I expect Sanders will do better among AA's in other parts of the country.


(26,549 posts)
73. This is definitley true.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 05:48 PM
Feb 2016

The South, especially outside the cities, is like going backwards several decades.

I grew up in CA, moved to NC. It's taken Raleigh 30 years of importing Yankees in order to turn the city to what I'd consider "moderate". And we're the more liberal Carolina.


(27,275 posts)
75. I just moved from Oakland to Atlanta
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 06:34 PM
Feb 2016

It is a bit of a culture shock. At least Atlanta is a big city, with lots of transplants. I thank my parents everyday for moving to California before I was born...and not indoctrinating us with religion.


(39,215 posts)
83. Another poster talked about the poverty in SC and the lack of
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 08:01 PM
Feb 2016

access to the social media. When we put that together with what Bravenak said and the lack of coverage from MSM. Then we have our answer.

Thank everyone for the insight.


(3,021 posts)
60. It has been hard to get the Bernie sign because they are taken fast. But I finally got one yesterday
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 11:00 AM
Feb 2016

when a friend got it for me....We are fired up in Colorado.

Land of Enchantment

(1,217 posts)
77. Oh to be able to attend a Bernie rally
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 07:10 PM
Feb 2016

but we cannot vote until the end of June and chances are he won't come to New Mexico. Thanks for posting.

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