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Sun Feb 28, 2016, 04:47 PM

 

Wow...the entire South now thrown under the bus

Can the bus get any bigger?

And seriously, some of the comments about the South are exactly what I expect from Trump: bunch of uneducated people voting against their interests?

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Reply Wow...the entire South now thrown under the bus (Original post)
hill2016 Feb 2016 OP
peacebird Feb 2016 #1
DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #3
elleng Feb 2016 #29
MadDAsHell Feb 2016 #12
jeff47 Feb 2016 #2
hill2016 Feb 2016 #24
jeff47 Feb 2016 #33
AzDar Feb 2016 #56
hill2016 Feb 2016 #69
jeff47 Feb 2016 #70
TM99 Feb 2016 #4
hill2016 Feb 2016 #25
Agnosticsherbet Feb 2016 #5
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2016 #6
Name removed Feb 2016 #10
truebrit71 Feb 2016 #19
Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #7
dsc Feb 2016 #18
Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #73
AZ Progressive Feb 2016 #8
tarheelsunc Feb 2016 #13
Waiting For Everyman Feb 2016 #15
tarheelsunc Feb 2016 #62
Waiting For Everyman Feb 2016 #68
tarheelsunc Feb 2016 #72
AZ Progressive Feb 2016 #28
tarheelsunc Feb 2016 #63
DrDan Feb 2016 #14
jeff47 Feb 2016 #34
redstateblues Feb 2016 #39
Persondem Feb 2016 #9
FangedNoumenom Feb 2016 #11
datguy_6 Feb 2016 #17
KingFlorez Feb 2016 #20
jmowreader Feb 2016 #47
KingFlorez Feb 2016 #60
jmowreader Feb 2016 #67
TeddyR Feb 2016 #52
TeddyR Feb 2016 #53
Downwinder Feb 2016 #16
jillan Feb 2016 #21
Lizzie Poppet Feb 2016 #22
elleng Feb 2016 #27
Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #66
Avalux Feb 2016 #23
McCamy Taylor Feb 2016 #26
BillZBubb Feb 2016 #31
Arazi Feb 2016 #30
gwheezie Feb 2016 #32
jeff47 Feb 2016 #35
JI7 Feb 2016 #36
liberal N proud Feb 2016 #37
el_bryanto Feb 2016 #38
redstateblues Feb 2016 #40
obamanut2012 Feb 2016 #42
timmymoff Feb 2016 #45
el_bryanto Feb 2016 #50
jeff47 Feb 2016 #51
TeddyR Feb 2016 #57
jalan48 Feb 2016 #41
OldRedneck Feb 2016 #43
bluestateguy Feb 2016 #44
jmowreader Feb 2016 #48
jeff47 Feb 2016 #55
Trust Buster Feb 2016 #46
treestar Feb 2016 #54
Trust Buster Feb 2016 #58
sister_rosa_refried Feb 2016 #49
ms liberty Feb 2016 #59
Kalidurga Feb 2016 #61
Armstead Feb 2016 #65
Armstead Feb 2016 #64
Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #71
islandmkl Feb 2016 #74

Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 04:49 PM

1. If the shoe fits....

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Response to peacebird (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 04:53 PM

3. The modern civil rights movement was born in Alabama and not in Vermont./nt

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 06:56 PM

29. with a little help from friends in New York and Chicago,

as I recall.

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Response to peacebird (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 05:05 PM

12. Jury results..

 

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
On Sun Feb 28, 2016, 02:54 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

If the shoe fits....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1365264

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

So the 'entire south' is a bunch of uneducated people voting against their own interest? This comment is promoting that broad brush statement. This is rude and damn inappropriate throwing the entire south under the bus. Not all of them are 'uneducated' and they decide their own best interests. Please hide this filthy broadbrush from the eyes of our EDCUATED southern duers. It is bigotry.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Feb 28, 2016, 03:03 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's simply one poster's response to the original poster's slog through the old bus stuff. They are both annoying but perfectly within their rights to post their opinions.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Rude, but consistent with the tone and tenor of GDP currently.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: tired of broad brush stereotyping and attacks
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: The regional bashing is disgusting and needs to stop. Now.

Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This has pretty much been the MO on DU for years re: the entire US outside of the Northeast and Hollywood. Not sure why we're just now after all these years deciding these kinds of remarks are offensive.

No reason to change it now.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 04:50 PM

2. By you.

Guess you were using the wrong account when you made your post about how it's OK for Sanders to ignore the South? It was rather surprising that you would make such a (now deleted) post.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 06:49 PM

24. nope wasn't me

 

link?

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Response to hill2016 (Reply #24)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 07:03 PM

33. What part of (now deleted) did you miss?

Here, I'll cover what your post currently says:
This post was deleted by its author

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #33)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 07:47 PM

56. Ooof.

 

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #33)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 09:15 PM

69. definitely wasn't me

 

I have never deleted any threads I started (unless it was in the wrong forum).

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Response to hill2016 (Reply #69)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 09:16 PM

70. You're welcome to keep claiming that. However, you should be aware

that there are people here who can read even your deleted posts.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 04:53 PM

4. Hypocrisy thy name is a Clinton supporter.

 

Were you not just admonishing Sanders to forgo the South?

Yes, you were and then you deleted it.

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Response to TM99 (Reply #4)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 06:50 PM

25. nope wasn't me

 

link?

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 04:54 PM

5. "following their marching orders" was one that offended me."

It was alerted and allowed to stand 7-0.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 04:55 PM

6. Al Franken has been thrown under the bus as well

That should really help Bernie in Minnesota.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017333915

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Response to Name removed (Reply #10)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 05:34 PM

19. No shit.

 

n/t

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 04:58 PM

7. To be fair and factual, ever single Southern State allows discrimination in employment and housing

 

against LGBT Americans, whom they throw under the bus as folks here like to say.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #7)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 05:33 PM

18. MD which is a southern state doesn't

and PA, OH, MI, all permit it as well. Yes, the north on average is better but the south doesn't have a monopoly on anti gay legislation (recall IN and AZ started these anti gay religious freedom acts)

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Response to dsc (Reply #18)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 09:19 PM

73. Or racism, sexism for that matter. MA still has a problem electing a woman for governor.

 

Go figure.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 05:00 PM

8. The South shouldn't get to decide who the nominee is

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Response to AZ Progressive (Reply #8)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 05:06 PM

13. Why are the North or Midwest any more qualified? eom

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Response to tarheelsunc (Reply #13)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 05:11 PM

15. Because their states vote Dem in the General Election.

Southern states don't. Why should they pick our candidate?

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Response to Waiting For Everyman (Reply #15)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 08:21 PM

62. I don't think you're familiar with how primary delegate allotment works.

Delegates are allotted to states based on how many people voted Democrat in each state in the most recent election. Just because most southern states tend to vote Democrat doesn't mean there aren't Democrats in those states. Or would you rather disenfranchise those who are unfortunate enough to live in a red state?

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Response to tarheelsunc (Reply #62)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 08:54 PM

68. That has nothing to do with what I said. nt

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Response to Waiting For Everyman (Reply #68)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 09:17 PM

72. Yes it does.

There are millions of Democratic voters in the South. Why should their votes not matter just because other people in their states vote Republican?

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Response to tarheelsunc (Reply #13)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 06:55 PM

28. There are almost 200 million people in the U.S. that don't live in the South.

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Response to AZ Progressive (Reply #28)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 08:23 PM

63. That means there are over 100 million who do.

The South has AT LEAST as much right as any other region to play a part in the primary process. The hatred towards Democrats from the South on this board is appalling.

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Response to AZ Progressive (Reply #8)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 05:09 PM

14. we should restrict them to 3/5 of a vote each

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Response to DrDan (Reply #14)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 07:07 PM

34. The DNC already does.

Not literally 3/5ths, but the formula for delegates considers past general election results. Southern states get fewer delegates per person at the convention, because they vote for Republicans in the general.

For example, South Carolina has voted for a Democrat once since 1964. Apparently Ford picked up too much Nixon stink.

States that vote for Democrats in the general election get more delegates, on the assumption that a candidate that appeals mostly to states we will lose in November is not a good plan.

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Response to AZ Progressive (Reply #8)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 07:17 PM

39. But AZ should? So you want to take my right to vote away?

You should probably go back to Free Republic or some other place that supports voter suppression

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 05:03 PM

9. Yep. Lots of narrow minded comments today. K & R nt

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 05:04 PM

11. The Southern voters are conservative, even the dems. They voted for the more conservative candidate.

 

How is acknowledging this fact throwing SC under the bus?

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Response to FangedNoumenom (Reply #11)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 05:24 PM

17. Bingo...

 

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Response to FangedNoumenom (Reply #11)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 05:38 PM

20. Sanders finished frigging best in the most conservative counties in the state

Last edited Sun Feb 28, 2016, 08:08 PM - Edit history (1)

And Clinton performed best in the most Democratic areas, so that suggests that something different is afoot. Sanders didn't even perform well in areas where there are white liberals.

There is nothing more annoying than people who try to talk politics and know nothing about political geography, demographics or anything of the like.

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Response to KingFlorez (Reply #20)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 07:33 PM

47. You're talking Nevada, where your statement is quite true

In South Carolina, Hillary won every county.

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/south-carolina

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #47)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 08:10 PM

60. Sorry, I meant to say best

That post irritated me so much that I posted first instead of best. You highlight another good point that Sanders best counties in Nevada were the more conservative ones. It will be interesting to see the maps on Super Tuesday and where the patterns are.

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Response to KingFlorez (Reply #60)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 08:52 PM

67. Sanders seriously cleaned up outside Clark County in Nevada

The problem there is, I ran the numbers and if Candidate A takes EVERY county in Nevada instead of Clark, and Candidate B takes only Clark, Candidate B wins because three of four Nevada residents live in Clark County.

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Response to FangedNoumenom (Reply #11)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 07:46 PM

52. So every southern voter

 

Is conservative? Stereotype much?

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 05:21 PM

16. Bus? What bus?

The last one here shutdown last year. Must be the res-urging economy [recession/depression].

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 05:59 PM

21. Aren't you being a bit dramatic?

Especially since the southern states usually vote red in the GE?

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 06:02 PM

22. When the South votes overwhelmingly for Republican candidates time after time...

 

...are you telling me that you don't, even in your head, consider that to be voting against their own interests (at least for the enormous working-class majority)?

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #22)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 06:55 PM

27. Thanks. Been waiting for someone to mention this.

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #22)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 08:33 PM

66. It has not always been the case where Southern states voted for Republicans.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 06:04 PM

23. Do you live in a southern state? n/t

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 06:53 PM

26. The bus will have to get bigger because come November we will ALL be under it.

One nation united under a bus!

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Response to McCamy Taylor (Reply #26)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 06:57 PM

31. Sadly, I agree.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 06:57 PM

30. The south isn't important for the Democratic nominee, we know it'll go R

so it's not throwing it under the bus, it's acknowledging its importance for Dems - ie, not very

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 06:58 PM

32. I live in a southern state

In the woods near a swamp. Liberals are out here also. I thought Bernie supporters were all about the 50 state strategy a few weeks ago. What happened? He got whooped by a dem in one southern state and they're ready to give up? I'm not impressed with your commitment to the revolution.

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Response to gwheezie (Reply #32)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 07:11 PM

35. Different levels of our government are elected differently.

SC has voted for a Democratic president once since 1964. Ford apparently picked up too much Nixon stink. So SC is not going to be delivering any electoral votes in November.

No electoral college for Congress and below, so they could, and do, deliver Democrats to those offices.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 07:12 PM

36. not all. just the African Americans

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 07:13 PM

37. If you can't win it, then it doesn't count

This is how the BS crowd thinks.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 07:17 PM

38. How many Southern States are going to vote for any Democratic candidate?

Maybe Florida? Maybe Virginia?

Bryant

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Response to el_bryanto (Reply #38)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 07:21 PM

40. Georgia is trending more Dem. NC as well.

I love the condescension of you blue state Democrats who have no idea what we are up against.

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Response to redstateblues (Reply #40)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 07:26 PM

42. this

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Response to redstateblues (Reply #40)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 07:31 PM

45. Pretty well aware what we are up against.

 

If Hillary wins the nomination we get the option of voting for a conservative or a slightly less conservative. Isn't the third way grand?

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Response to redstateblues (Reply #40)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 07:36 PM

50. I live in Florida - I'm well aware of what you are up against. We voted back in Rick fucking Scott.

But good assumption there.

Bryant

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Response to redstateblues (Reply #40)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 07:43 PM

51. I live in NC.

I am well aware of what we are up against.

And it does not change the fact that Clinton can not win NC. There's no way she will excite enough urban voters to overcome the rural voters.

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Response to el_bryanto (Reply #38)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 07:49 PM

57. This next election?

 

Maybe Florida. Probably not North Carolina or Virginia. Neither Dem candidate is appealing enough. Also concerned about Ohio, Oregon and Pennsylvania.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 07:23 PM

41. Let's see how the primaries play out in Democratic States.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 07:27 PM

43. So -- what did Trump say?

 

The original comment makes no sense.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 07:28 PM

44. How many Democrats have been elected president without carrying any Southern states?

I'd appreciate an answer from the Sanders camp.

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Response to bluestateguy (Reply #44)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 07:34 PM

48. Or any northern states, for that matter

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Response to bluestateguy (Reply #44)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 07:46 PM

55. Ok, let's go aaaaaaaalllll the way back to the last election.

http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/results/president

Pretty big swath of red there. Whether or not there are "Southern" states in it depends on your definition of "Southern". And your understanding (or lack thereof) of the rural-urban divide in those states.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 07:32 PM

46. Why do posters keep lamenting that southern states are red states ?

 

Are they trying to suggest that southern Democrats shouldn't be allowed to vote in national elections ?

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #46)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 07:46 PM

54. THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^

They seem to be implying that because the overall state is red, the DEMOCRATS there should have no say on the DEMOCRATIC nomination!

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Response to treestar (Reply #54)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 07:51 PM

58. That's sad. We have Republicans to suppress the vote. Why would Bernie supporters

 

jump on that bandwagon ?

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 07:35 PM

49. Of course they are, dear.

Along with anyone that dares to support That Woman.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 07:54 PM

59. You've been here a year, friend.

I've been here since 03. The South, and Southerners in general, have been trashed and dissed around here more than any other group except republicans. There have been fucking flamewars over it. So revising history to blame it all on Bernie supporters doesn't cut it, ya dig? There are plenty of Hillary supporters who were right up on the front lines with the South bashing. And now they want to look like butter won't melt in their mouth. Well bless their fucking hearts, this Southern Bernie supporter knows better.

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Response to ms liberty (Reply #59)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 08:13 PM

61. Oh heck I know better...

and I live in Minnesota.

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Response to ms liberty (Reply #59)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 08:25 PM

65. Thanks for bringing some truth into this scam

 

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 08:24 PM

64. The South has been under the bus for years

 

You're just noticing it because of Clinton's "advantage" there.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 09:17 PM

71. It's not a good way to win the Democratic Party nomination, that's for sure.

 

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 09:24 PM

74. there is a slight Democratic problem in the 'real' South...which, if you don't know...

doesn't include Florida or Texas...just ask citizens of any of the involved states...

and, worse for Dems...the GE ain't the primaries...there is no proportional division of electoral votes...

could be, I guess, if you could convince, bribe, whatever some electoral college electors to vote opposite of their state's results...of course, you would have to find them jobs, housing in another state, new identities, etc.

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