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Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 01:01 AM Feb 2016

Why Trump and Sanders Were Inevitable-It was only a matter of time before we had a populist backlash

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There were, in retrospect, clear signs of what was to come—signs that if Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders did not appear on the scene, someone else like them would have. We’ve had decades of forewarnings as the top income earners —the “one percent”—began taking bigger shares of our economy starting in the 1980s: The anti-globalization protests of the late 1990s. The rise of Ross “NAFTA-will-suck-our-jobs-away” Perot and Pat “Pitchforks” Buchanan against the GOP establishment. The brief but intense Occupy Wall Street movement. The adoration of Elizabeth Warren. The warnings from superstar economist Thomas Piketty in recent years that the United States was suffering the worst income inequality in the developed world, worse than anything since the 1920s—and that it was not sustainable.

Above all, there was the drip-drip-drip social acid of stagnating middle-class income... from Washington there was only the all-too-self-confident movement of both political parties toward a full-on embrace of policies that further promoted the brutally unequal society that America is today. First, the Republicans became ardent free traders, then the Democrats under Clinton, with Obama following suit. Even the Democrats—having become deficit-slashing “Eisenhower Republicans,” in Bill Clinton’s tart phrase—responded with mostly harsh trickle-down medicine: “Workfare.” Unfair tax policies, with capital-gains earners (read: plutocrats) getting most of the breaks. Rubinomics. Greenspan worship. And all the while we in the media listened—in hushed awe of their genius—to the economists who told us that of course there were inequities and a lot of people would be left behind, but globalization and ever-freer markets were still good for most of us, overall anyway, sort of, we think. … And besides, what’s the alternative?

The only wonder, perhaps, is that it took Trump and Sanders this long to get here.... The message that Sanders and Trump are bringing to the stump isn’t going away soon, not until the two parties acknowledge the deep flaws in the economic paradigm that got us to this place of inequality, but which neither the Democratic nor the Republican leadership have questioned deeply.... Trump emphasizes shutting down job-stealing immigrants and getting “better” deals from the world; Sanders, imprisoning wealth-gobbling, spoiled Wall Streeters and getting “fairer” deals from the world. Both candidates plainly appeal to people who feel that no one is really standing up for them and what used to be known as their middle class; people who want more of the pie than they’ve been getting for a long time, and people who realize that their political parties are at best half-hearted about doing anything about that.... According to the Federal Reserve, a broad group of Americans loosely defined as the middle class saw its net worth plummet from a median of $126,400 in 2007 to $77,300 in 2010. Thus we came out the other side of the Great Recession a very different economy altogether. “The recovered wealth—most of it from higher stock prices—has flowed mainly to richer Americans,” The Associated Press reported. According to Berkeley economist Emmanuel Saez, the wealthiest 1 percent of the country actually made out better, in percentage terms, during Obama’s “recovery” than they did from 2002-07 under George W. Bush.

By 2012, according to Saez, the top 1 percent were earning 23 percent of the nation’s income, almost the same ratio as in 1929. ... The Democratic establishment from Obama to Hillary Clinton has been continually surprised by the anger and sense of betrayal within its progressive wing, which is why so few people took Sanders seriously at first (including the Clintons).... What is not debatable is that growing inequality is a major, society-shaking problem—one that, as Rodrik says, has actually made America less cohesive, and neither Democrats nor Republicans are doing much about it. Here too we’ve had years of warning: Real wages for most U.S. workers have been relatively stagnant since the 1970s, while those for the top 1 percent have increased 156 percent, and those for the top 0.1 percent have increased 362 percent, according to a report by the Economic Policy Institute. Thus, the Harvard Gazette reported earlier in February, the poorest 20 percent of Americans received just 3.6 percent of the national income in 2014, down from 5.7 percent in 1974. The upper 20 percent, meanwhile, received nearly half of U.S. income in 2014, up from about 40 percent in 1974, according to Census Bureau statistics.

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Why Trump and Sanders Were Inevitable-It was only a matter of time before we had a populist backlash (Original Post) Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 OP
kicked and rec'd Vote2016 Feb 2016 #1
Trump: Why Have I Been Surprised? merrily Feb 2016 #2
Doesn't serve Bernie well to lump him in with Trump. onehandle Feb 2016 #3
and if it's peaceful, it will be revolutionary. elleng Feb 2016 #4
The M$M wants Trump and pumps him up wall-to-wall 24/7, manufacturing a "following" 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #5
'First, the Republicans became ardent free traders, then the Democrats under Clinton, elleng Feb 2016 #6
The analysis is spot on. Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 #7
I think so too. elleng Feb 2016 #9
+10,000 nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #15
Profound, important truths. BIG kick and rec!!! eom Arazi Feb 2016 #8
very good article. take heed Bread and Circus Feb 2016 #10
K&R Paka Feb 2016 #11
Populist Backlash noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #12
which is why: Dems nominate Bernie or they lose the GE amborin Feb 2016 #13
Important para nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #14
You do realize this article legitimizes Trump.. right?? DCBob Feb 2016 #16
No, the article does not legitimize Trump. It points that a Trump like campaign was foreseeable Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 #17
This statement.. DCBob Feb 2016 #18
I'm not at all shocked that you don't get how the Clintons helped make a Trump candidacy inevitable. Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 #19
So if its Trump versus Hillary, then Trump's message is better than Hillary's. DCBob Feb 2016 #21
No, you should look up "demagoguery." I called Trump's message demagoguery, which is not better than Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 #25
Wait till next election. You think it's bad now.... Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #20
4 years of Trump might be exactly what we need to get Warren 2020 Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 #22
My thinking too. Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #23
I thought you might say that. DCBob Feb 2016 #24
I have said 1,000 times: I am voting for our nominee. It's independents who HATE Clinton not Sanders Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 #26
 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
5. The M$M wants Trump and pumps him up wall-to-wall 24/7, manufacturing a "following"
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 01:12 AM
Feb 2016

The People want Bernie Sanders and the M$M stiffed him at every opportunity,
for as long as possible, and when finally forced to talk about him ... trash him endlessly.

Yet Bernie's still very much in the running for the Presidency.

BIG difference.

elleng

(130,825 posts)
6. 'First, the Republicans became ardent free traders, then the Democrats under Clinton,
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 01:13 AM
Feb 2016

with Obama following suit. Even the Democrats—having become deficit-slashing “Eisenhower Republicans,” in Bill Clinton’s tart phrase—responded with mostly harsh trickle-down medicine: “Workfare.” Unfair tax policies, with capital-gains earners (read: plutocrats) getting most of the breaks. Rubinomics. Greenspan worship.'

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
14. Important para
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 01:52 AM
Feb 2016

Both Democratic and Republican leaders, meanwhile, are still kidding themselves that their respective bases are … basically OK with their economic agendas, when plainly the numbers show they aren’t. On the GOP side, there were those who thought the tea party was libertarian, but nothing could have been further from the truth, as Rand Paul discovered when his presidential bid crashed and burned. Even a conservative in the maltreated middle class doesn’t want less help from government; instead the tea party backlash was anti-immigrant and anti-Obama—not so much opposed to government per se as to how government redistributes wealth. The Democratic establishment from Obama to Hillary Clinton has been continually surprised by the anger and sense of betrayal within its progressive wing, which is why so few people took Sanders seriously at first (including the Clintons).

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/why-donald-trump-and-bernie-sanders-were-inevitable-213685#ixzz41X8Ozu6p

Oh and I have written here about this anger for years. This surprises me in the least. And I expect the denial to continue... All I can say is... I told you so.

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
17. No, the article does not legitimize Trump. It points that a Trump like campaign was foreseeable
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 10:27 AM
Feb 2016

consequence of our rigged economy. This does not legitimize Trump any more than pointing out that lung cancer is a foreseeable consequence of smoking legitimizes cancer.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
18. This statement..
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 10:56 AM
Feb 2016

"The message that Sanders and Trump are bringing to the stump isn’t going away soon, not until the two parties acknowledge the deep flaws in the economic paradigm that got us to this place of inequality, but which neither the Democratic nor the Republican leadership have questioned deeply"

That suggests Trump's message is just as valid as Bernie's. Its shocking that you cant see that.

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
19. I'm not at all shocked that you don't get how the Clintons helped make a Trump candidacy inevitable.
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 11:15 AM
Feb 2016

This does not suggest that Trump's message is valid; it says Trump's message is a symptom of our rigged economy and demagoguery will not go away until the inequality that is fueling the demagoguery goes away.

Just as there will always be a Clinton-type candidate who speaks for Wall Street and protects Wall Street from regulation until we get rid of Citizens United, it does not validate Clinton's message to acknowledge that it won't go away until the broken campaign finance rules that fuel her message are fixed.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
21. So if its Trump versus Hillary, then Trump's message is better than Hillary's.
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 11:19 AM
Feb 2016

That is essentially what you are saying.

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
25. No, you should look up "demagoguery." I called Trump's message demagoguery, which is not better than
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 11:42 AM
Feb 2016

Hillary's message (he's a demagogue; she's a corporate shill -- a demagogue is way, way worse).

Think of it this way: He's a villain, and she is merely an enabler of villainy.

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
20. Wait till next election. You think it's bad now....
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 11:17 AM
Feb 2016

Wait till people realize they been served a fake candidate once again.

Course they may be to busy starving to do anything at that point.

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
26. I have said 1,000 times: I am voting for our nominee. It's independents who HATE Clinton not Sanders
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 11:50 AM
Feb 2016

supporters.

Sanders supporters (or many of them at least) just believe that Clinton cannot win in November and she's only 50% better than the least right-wingy of the clown car Republicans who ran for office.

Sanders supporters (or many of them at least) will vote for the nominee regardless of who it is (or at least most will vote against the Republican nominee by voting Democratic even if they think it is a vote "for" the nominee if we choose Sanders and think of it as a vote "against" the Republican otherwise).

CLINTON LOSES BECAUSE INDEPENDENTS HATE HER; NOT BECAUSE OF SANDERS SUPPORTERS
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