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Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 01:51 PM Feb 2016

USA Today: "Why Bernie Sanders could win Oklahoma"

link; excerpt:

OKLAHOMA CITY — Oklahoma isn’t where you might normally expect to find Sen. Bernie Sanders spending his time.

It’s one of the reddest states in the nation and a leader in hydraulic fracturing, or “fracking,” which Sanders calls “a disaster for the planet.”... “On Tuesday, Oklahoma can play a very important role in moving this country forward to a political revolution. Let’s do it,” he told a crowd of more than 6,000.

It seems hard to believe that Oklahoma would even be close on the eve of the primary, but it would be nice for Sanders to get a "bonus" win tomorrow in the South. I'm more curious about Colorado, but I wouldn't say no to Oklahoma.
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USA Today: "Why Bernie Sanders could win Oklahoma" (Original Post) Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 OP
Kickin' Faux pas Feb 2016 #1
I'll copy and paste what I just wrote a few minutes ago OKNancy Feb 2016 #2
Because the Republicans in Oklahoma are disinterested in the Trump-Cruz-Rubio brawl? Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 #7
I'm sure they are interested. Republicans vote in their own primary. OKNancy Feb 2016 #10
Funny, that is how the process started in CA, now it is a fully open primary state nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #20
I will say this for your state party BRAVO nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #19
I've been calling into Oklahoma. Le Taz Hot Feb 2016 #3
Remember when the Sanders folks said winning "red confederate States" was meaningless? brooklynite Feb 2016 #4
Not meaningless; just not a place where the ex-First Lady of neighboring Arkansas typically loses to Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 #6
LOL! MaggieD Feb 2016 #8
FYI - Oklahoma was not a Confederate state. LOL OKNancy Feb 2016 #13
LOL DURHAM D Feb 2016 #16
Yeah, that famous power player of the Confederacy, Oklahoma. Marr Feb 2016 #21
Oklahoma was not a member of the Confederacy. panader0 Feb 2016 #25
I wonder if fracking is WHY Sanders has a shot at Oklahoma. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #5
Yeah, a lot of people in OK are Svafa Feb 2016 #24
Splitting those 38 delegates will help him enormously! MaggieD Feb 2016 #9
He's paid a pretty penny for those delegates too. Commercials are 24-7 OKNancy Feb 2016 #12
Yeah, he's wasting money like crazy MaggieD Feb 2016 #14
Both here in the East side and Western slope, Colorado loves Bernie kgnu_fan Feb 2016 #11
Again the best he can do there is split the delegates MaggieD Feb 2016 #15
I feel pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty good about Colorado. Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 #17
Fracking and earthquakes have become major issues in Oklahoma. Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #18
2009–16 Oklahoma earthquake swarms Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #23
I am actually pretty interested in what happens here in Texas. ScreamingMeemie Feb 2016 #22
Someone stole my Bernie yard sign (and left the other Democratic candidate signs), but I got a new Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 #26
Headline written by editors not reporters Buzz cook Feb 2016 #27

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
2. I'll copy and paste what I just wrote a few minutes ago
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 01:54 PM
Feb 2016

This probably wouldn't have been the case except for the stupid Democratic party in our state.
They decided to let Independents vote in our primary for the first time this year.
The reasoning was to draw in more people to the party... yeah right.
Most Independents here are right wingers in actual fact.
Voting for Sanders is mostly just to fuck with the Democrats.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
10. I'm sure they are interested. Republicans vote in their own primary.
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 02:12 PM
Feb 2016

Republicans have a closed primary. Independents can't vote in the Republican primary.

Republicans - Republican only
Democrats - Democrats and Independents

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
20. Funny, that is how the process started in CA, now it is a fully open primary state
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 06:08 PM
Feb 2016

we like it, it actually increases somewhat the turnout.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
19. I will say this for your state party BRAVO
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 06:07 PM
Feb 2016

I suppose they can read tea leaves.

Next they should follow CA, get a motor voter bill that registers everybody at the DMV and modified run off at state level. Those are the kinds of reforms needed nagionside.

I would also hope to expand the franchise to felons and people in prison like oh OECD economies do, After all they are counted for census data.

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
6. Not meaningless; just not a place where the ex-First Lady of neighboring Arkansas typically loses to
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 02:02 PM
Feb 2016

a Jewish civil rights activist.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
5. I wonder if fracking is WHY Sanders has a shot at Oklahoma.
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 01:57 PM
Feb 2016

Given his anti-frabking stance, and Clinton's 'frack the world' policy, Oklahoma might be more willing to give Sanders a look than you might otherwise expect in a conservative state.

Svafa

(594 posts)
24. Yeah, a lot of people in OK are
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 06:26 PM
Feb 2016

rightfully unnerved by the massive increase in the number of earthquakes they've been having. They're seeing the immediate negative effects of fracking.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
15. Again the best he can do there is split the delegates
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 02:21 PM
Feb 2016

And that isn't going to get the job done.

Uncle Joe

(58,300 posts)
18. Fracking and earthquakes have become major issues in Oklahoma.
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 06:05 PM
Feb 2016


(snip)

Sanders didn’t speak about fracking at Sunday’s rally, but in a fundraising email Friday, he specifically highlighted Oklahoma’s rash of earthquakes that many believe are linked to wastewater from fracking being injected into underground wells along fault lines. The Oklahoma Corporation Commission has told oil and gas companies to reduce wastewater in underground wells to curb the problem.

Sanders has launched a new television ad in Minnesota and Colorado about his stance against fracking. The campaign is using other ads in Oklahoma, where strategists believe he still needs to be introduced to voters, but they think the fracking issue will have a powerful impact here, as well.

(snip)

At the Oklahoma City rally, Dillon Turner, 29, said Sanders’ position on the need for campaign finance reform is most important to him because “I think our democracy is in danger.”

But Turner, a marketing specialist at a company with ties to the oil and gas industry, also supports Sanders’ stance on fracking. He thinks Sanders would place a higher priority on addressing climate change than Clinton, who he said was slow to oppose the Keystone XL pipeline.

“It’s a huge problem and we need to move on it quickly,” he said.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/02/29/oklahoma-primary-bernie-sanders-super-tuesday/81088324/



Thanks for the thread, Attorney in Texas.

Uncle Joe

(58,300 posts)
23. 2009–16 Oklahoma earthquake swarms
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 06:23 PM
Feb 2016


Beginning in 2009, the frequency of earthquakes in the U.S. State of Oklahoma rapidly increased from an average of less than two 3.0+ Mw earthquakes per year to hundreds in 2014 and 2015. Thousands of earthquakes have occurred in Oklahoma and surrounding areas in southern Kansas and North Texas since 2009.[6] Scientific studies attribute the rise in earthquakes to the disposal of salt water produced during oil extraction that has been injected more deeply into the ground.[7][8]

One of the most significant earthquakes of this swarm was a 5.6 magnitude earthquake east of the Oklahoma City area which was the strongest earthquake in the history of Oklahoma.[9] Multiple seismologists advised local residents of an even greater risk of earthquakes in 2014 when the number of earthquakes increased to a dangerously high level. In response to the major increase in earthquakes in the Central United States, the United States Geological Survey began developing a new seismic hazard model to account for risk associated with induced seismicity. To date, no fewer than six individual earthquake sequences in Oklahoma have been identified and named by the Oklahoma Geological Survey.[10] Other swarms have been observed in south-central Kansas and North Texas.


(snip)

Cause

Researchers have correlated the increase in earthquakes in central and north-central Oklahoma to injection disposal of produced water from two actively drilled stratigraphic intervals: the Mississippi Lime play, in north-central Oklahoma and extending into Kansas, which uses hydraulic fracturing; and the Hunton dewatering play, in central Oklahoma, which does not use hydraulic fracturing.[42] Both Mississippi Lime and Hunton plays produce large volumes of produced water; frac flowback makes up less than 5 percent of the injected wastewater. [43] More than 70 percent of the produced water from both plays is disposed through permitted Class II injection wells into the Arbuckle Group where it rests on Precambrian basement. The increase in pore pressure can release pre-existing stresses along faults in the basement rock.[44]

Between 2011 and 2014, the percentage of earthquakes spatiotemporally associated with injection wells has increased sharply by 87%.[45] A study of historic earthquakes has concluded that "much of the earthquake activity in the 1950s and 1980–1990s was induced" by injection of wastewater in deep disposal wells and the cluster of activity since 2009 is not consistent with the natural rate of fluctuations seen in the past.[46]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80%9316_Oklahoma_earthquake_swarms


ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
22. I am actually pretty interested in what happens here in Texas.
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 06:10 PM
Feb 2016

Going by bumper stickers/lawn signs, Bernie is 2-1.

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
26. Someone stole my Bernie yard sign (and left the other Democratic candidate signs), but I got a new
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 06:44 PM
Feb 2016

one yesterday.

I'm wondering if it was stolen and discarded or stolen and put up in someone else's yard.

Zero Hillary signs.

Buzz cook

(2,471 posts)
27. Headline written by editors not reporters
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 07:49 PM
Feb 2016

The article doesn't make an argument as to why or how Sanders could win Oklahoma. It basically covers Sanders time there, his anti fracking statements, contrasts with Clinton on the issue, and fracking's importance in Oklahoma.

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