Kevin Alexander Gray talks about why turnout in SC was so low - it wasn't only becuz of Bernie not

[jillan]

connecting with voters.

The other thing that people are not paying attention to in this huge victory that Hillary Clinton had over Bernie Sanders is the fact that so many people didn’t vote from 2008 to 2016. I would say that a lot of those people that didn’t vote didn’t vote because of their reticence to the Clintons and what happened between them and Obama and understanding that history.

Hillary Clinton is a neoliberal Democrat. The purpose of the Jackson campaigns in '84 and ’88 were a counter to Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton and the rise of the DLC, the Democratic Leadership Council, which Jesse called the Democratic Leisure Class.

http://www.democracynow.org/2016/2/29/did_bernie_sanders_run_a_white

The majority of what Kevin said was directed at why Bernie could not connect in SC and he makes valid points. A lot of those points are frustrations that even crazy Bernie supporters, like myself, have been discussing.

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About that turnout in SC? IT SUCKED!

Around 370,000 votes were cast in the South Carolina Democratic primary, amounting to just over 12 percent of the overall vote.

Meg Kinnard ✔ ?@MegKinnardAP
2016 #SCPrimary voter turnout vs. 2008:
Democrats voters down about 175,000 - Republican voters up nearly 300,000.
8:18 PM - 27 Feb 2016 · South Carolina, USA, United States
http://www.bustle.com/articles/144608-how-many-people-voted-during-the-south-carolina-democratic-primary-the-numbers-are-less-impressive-than

[redstateblues]

1. I thought Bernie was supposed to drive turnout to historic levels

[jillan]

3. Yes that is a concern BUT that does not give Hillary a pass for not getting the vote out either.

12% turnout - ouch!!

[Qutzupalotl]

16. Obama wasn't on the ballot this time.

Of course turnout among AAs was going to be down from 2008.

Wait till the deep blue states vote.

[grasswire]

2. yeah, it isn't Bernie's fault that turnout was low

Apparently it's Hillary's -- she got nowhere near the vote for Obama.

[jillan]

4. It's both. Bernie definitely has not turned those rallies into votes but no one talks about how

Hillary doesn't bring out the vote either.

[angrychair]

7. Kind of hard

When the media and your own Party are fighting you every step of the way and trying to run a successful campaign.

[angrychair]

5. As ive stated many times

Republicans will drag their naked bodies through a room full of broken glass to vote against Hillary Clinton. She gets very few independents and very little youth vote. If you think otherwise you haven't been paying attention the last 25 years or to the Republican turn-out numbers so far. Winning Democratic primaries in the South doesn't translate to winning deep red southern states in the GE.

Republicans will cross-over to Sanders to vote against tRump. Youth will come out by the millions. Independents will vote solidly in Sanders favor. To think otherwise means you haven't been paying attention or looking at the primary voter demographics.

[jillan]

6. I have this nagging fear that they day after the election in November I will be saying....

I told you so.

[Kip Humphrey]

8. Question: To what degree did SC voter ID laws suppress voter turnout 2008 to 2016?

sure would like someone to conduct a study & analysis.

[jillan]

9. That is an excellent question.

Anyone know the answer?

[nc4bo]

14. March 15th - North Carolina's Voter ID laws are in effect.

Gotta love the results of those mid-terms when you're stuck with a 100% GOP Gov. and legislature.

Fun times to be had by all!

I'd like to thank all the Democrats in The Establishment who turned a blind eye, shrugged their shoulders or kept their lips sealed shut. A heart felt "fuck you" to all the sons of itches who never picked up the populist mantle, uttered a single word in protest or condemnation.

We get the government we deserve.

[MelungeonWoman]

10. I blame DWS

I'm sure the talking heads completely ignoring the Dem race didn't help. Half the people probably didn't know there was a Democratic primary happening.

[jillan]

12. I blame her for 2010 & 2012 - and yes for the horrible gotv efforts during the primaries.

I heard horror stories about 2012. People were calling in to Hartmann from all over the country saying that the RNC was pumping $$$$ into local elections and the DNC was nowhere to be found. Close races were lost to repugs all over the country. We had some heartbreaking loses here in Az. The Kochs came in and bought their candidates. No DNC or any other DC groups ever invest in AZ - except when Dean was the head of the DNC.

She is the worst. The whole Democratic Party has become such a disappointment.

[MelungeonWoman]

13. It really is just incredibly disappointing.

It seems like the veil has been ripped away and we can now see everything, however unpleasant it happens to be.

[msongs]

15. oh the revolution is not that big of a failure. cheer up nt

[Vincardog]

11. Is there going to be any examination of the crooked vote stealing machines?

I see Hill's margin was twice the 20% the polls showed her going in with.

[Beacool]

17. Turnout has been low in every state for the Democrats.