2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhy do Clinton & company always scream loudest about the exact things they are most guilty of?
Sanders has a (union) superPAC!
Sanders went to DSCC retreats and even USED THE POOL!
Sanders' supporters are big, big bullies! All they ever do is bully and demean people who don't support their candidate!
Sanders' campaign uses dirty tricks!
Sanders and his supporters use race and gender to divide people!
Phlem
(6,323 posts)Republicans use it all the time.
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)... of having a questionable military record.
Or when Beltway Boy Scout Al Gore had to keep fending off accusations of dishonesty from frat boy fuckup's campaign. Mind-boggling.
But hey, that's how the Big Lie works.
And the Republicans don't have exclusive rights to this diabolical but effective technique.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)I mean, she's got the history of promoting mass incarceration and he has a history of marching for civil rights, but he's the one with the problem. This whole thing stinks to high heaven. I truly can't stand the Clintons or the party machine. It's gross.
onecaliberal
(32,811 posts)dchill
(38,462 posts)And it's usually a lie.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)when you're at your weakest point in your sermon, you're supposed
to pound the pulpit the hardest.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)He thumps the podium to make his points.
msongs
(67,381 posts)mhatrw
(10,786 posts)revbones
(3,660 posts)It's a common right-wing attack. "We're corrupt, so let's brand our opponent as corrupt!"
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)Accuse your opponent of doing the things your are guilty of doing yourself.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)Accuse your opponent of doing the very thing you do. It confuses people and takes the heat off you.
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)after Bernie's strengths and try and show them as weakness. It simply will not work.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)other people would choose to avoid using dirty tactics for ethical reasons. They assume incorrectly that everyone is as sneaky as they are.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)If all they ever do is point their fingers at Sanders and his supporters and accuse them of bullying people and dividing people by race and sex, it leaves them free to do exactly what they accuse Sanders and his supporters of doing without any fear of reprisal.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)The most famous case of this is accusing the media of being "liberal". This gives them open license to bully the media more and more to the right without any danger that they will be called on it because "everyone knows the media is liberal".
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Since Sanders is strong where Clinton is weak they attack his strengths...
NRaleighLiberal
(60,013 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)How many times do you ever hear them talk about policy??
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)John Poet
(2,510 posts)It IS a very Republican tactic.
Quite Rovian, trying to bring Bernie down closer to their level
of the sewer
bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)It's text book projection.
Impedimentus
(898 posts)FOX has mastered the technique as have the Republicans. It immediately change the focus of the issue to the other side.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)while insisting that you are the one who is fouling on every single play.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)mhatrw
(10,786 posts)And yes, I am just pointing out the obvious.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)corbettkroehler
(1,898 posts)This approach is straight out of the Karl Rove playbook. In 2004, he accused John Kerry of being a coward when Dubya had used his father's influence to take multiple deferments and serve in the National Guard while Kerry volunteered for dangerous duty in Vietnam.
Karl accused John Kerry of being a New England elite when Dubya had attended some of the most elite universities in the world.
The definition of the strategy is simple: when calculating your candidate's weakness, accuse the opponent of the same weakness as often and loudly as possible. In 2004, it worked beautifully because Kerry seldom responded. Sanders has begun to respond but, for purposes of Super Tuesday, it's too little too late.
Governor Ed Rendell explained the proper approach in his book A Nation of Wusses: How America's Leaders Lost the Guts to Make Us Great. My mind also turns to Governor Deval Patrick's speech at the 2012 convention when he said most persuasively that it's time for Democrats to grow a backbone and stand up for what we believe.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)It's the one smart thing Karl Rove ever did
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)And did it more often.
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)are super sinful and make entire careers out of attacking LGBT when they are very, very regularly found to be sexual predators abusing kids and poor women. They are very often found to be financially corrupt. And yet no matter how often this happens, the next 'man of God' is allowed to stand up and rail against other people again, as if they have standing.
Look at the Catholic Church. Everyone including Oscar knows what they have nurtured and done. Horrible things. But Francis rolls into Congress and attacks LGBT and Americans say 'well that's his job after all' instead of saying 'that hypocritical fucker is using LGBT to distract from the fact that his own peer group is full of predators'.
When people shout about the sins of others, always and instantly inspect them for the same failures, you will very often find far worse.