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mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 12:16 AM Mar 2016

Why do Clinton & company always scream loudest about the exact things they are most guilty of?

Sanders has a (union) superPAC!

Sanders went to DSCC retreats and even USED THE POOL!

Sanders' supporters are big, big bullies! All they ever do is bully and demean people who don't support their candidate!

Sanders' campaign uses dirty tricks!

Sanders and his supporters use race and gender to divide people!

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Why do Clinton & company always scream loudest about the exact things they are most guilty of? (Original Post) mhatrw Mar 2016 OP
It's a Republican tactic. Phlem Mar 2016 #1
Yup. As when President AWOL accused decorated soldier John Kerry... RufusTFirefly Mar 2016 #11
It's the same with them saying he's not reaching out to the AA community Ned_Devine Mar 2016 #20
She has conservatives operatives she is taking advice from. Typical Rovian tactic. onecaliberal Mar 2016 #2
I call it distractionprojection. dchill Mar 2016 #3
Preachers learn that in seminary 99th_Monkey Mar 2016 #4
haha you can see this with Cruz, son of a preacher grasswire Mar 2016 #17
thanks for listing sanders supporters tactics lol ddin't know the one about the pool tho nt msongs Mar 2016 #4
weird how your post tied for 4th! nt mhatrw Mar 2016 #8
One word: Projection revbones Mar 2016 #6
+ Bingo Vincardog Mar 2016 #10
Its called "projection" tularetom Mar 2016 #7
I'll join the others in this thread - PROJECTION. Avalux Mar 2016 #9
Its just like something 3rd graders would do. they have to make shit up so go litlbilly Mar 2016 #12
Projection. People who believe that dirty tricks are totally acceptable cannot even fathom that GoneFishin Mar 2016 #13
I really think it is more purposeful than that. It's basically a preemptive mantra, IMHO. mhatrw Mar 2016 #19
That's certainly the case with some of them. That is a known Rove tactic, a source for many of them. GoneFishin Mar 2016 #35
It's a form of Swiftboating Fumesucker Mar 2016 #14
Pro....jec....tion! n/t NRaleighLiberal Mar 2016 #15
they got nothing of their own to talk about grasswire Mar 2016 #16
It's ok if you're a Republican. HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #18
"Projection Misdirection" John Poet Mar 2016 #21
it's what all republicans do. bbgrunt Mar 2016 #22
What do you expect? It's what republicans do. TIME TO PANIC Mar 2016 #23
Often it's playing the victim card Impedimentus Mar 2016 #24
Yep. It's like the player who keeps hacking you and running over you on the basketball court mhatrw Mar 2016 #27
knr nt retrowire Mar 2016 #25
Projection,Projection....n/t asuhornets Mar 2016 #26
There there. ucrdem Mar 2016 #28
Yes, it's just good, effective machiavellian political strategy. mhatrw Mar 2016 #37
Funny. What other political group does that all the time? highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #29
She learned well from Rove. Too bad some of her supporters didn't and are falling for it. nt Live and Learn Mar 2016 #30
Karl Rove Showed Us How It's Done corbettkroehler Mar 2016 #31
You beat me to it Dem2 Mar 2016 #36
Because they did it first! Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #32
yup... we suck but he sucks too tk2kewl Mar 2016 #33
That's a sharp tactic and almost always works, look at 'the clergy' which screams about how others Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #34

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
11. Yup. As when President AWOL accused decorated soldier John Kerry...
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 12:26 AM
Mar 2016

... of having a questionable military record.

Or when Beltway Boy Scout Al Gore had to keep fending off accusations of dishonesty from frat boy fuckup's campaign. Mind-boggling.

But hey, that's how the Big Lie works.

And the Republicans don't have exclusive rights to this diabolical but effective technique.

 

Ned_Devine

(3,146 posts)
20. It's the same with them saying he's not reaching out to the AA community
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 02:21 AM
Mar 2016

I mean, she's got the history of promoting mass incarceration and he has a history of marching for civil rights, but he's the one with the problem. This whole thing stinks to high heaven. I truly can't stand the Clintons or the party machine. It's gross.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
4. Preachers learn that in seminary
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 12:20 AM
Mar 2016

when you're at your weakest point in your sermon, you're supposed
to pound the pulpit the hardest.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
6. One word: Projection
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 12:20 AM
Mar 2016

It's a common right-wing attack. "We're corrupt, so let's brand our opponent as corrupt!"

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
9. I'll join the others in this thread - PROJECTION.
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 12:23 AM
Mar 2016

Accuse your opponent of doing the very thing you do. It confuses people and takes the heat off you.

 

litlbilly

(2,227 posts)
12. Its just like something 3rd graders would do. they have to make shit up so go
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 12:26 AM
Mar 2016

after Bernie's strengths and try and show them as weakness. It simply will not work.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
13. Projection. People who believe that dirty tricks are totally acceptable cannot even fathom that
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 12:28 AM
Mar 2016

other people would choose to avoid using dirty tactics for ethical reasons. They assume incorrectly that everyone is as sneaky as they are.

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
19. I really think it is more purposeful than that. It's basically a preemptive mantra, IMHO.
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 01:34 AM
Mar 2016

If all they ever do is point their fingers at Sanders and his supporters and accuse them of bullying people and dividing people by race and sex, it leaves them free to do exactly what they accuse Sanders and his supporters of doing without any fear of reprisal.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
35. That's certainly the case with some of them. That is a known Rove tactic, a source for many of them.
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:04 AM
Mar 2016

The most famous case of this is accusing the media of being "liberal". This gives them open license to bully the media more and more to the right without any danger that they will be called on it because "everyone knows the media is liberal".

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
14. It's a form of Swiftboating
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 12:44 AM
Mar 2016

Since Sanders is strong where Clinton is weak they attack his strengths...

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
21. "Projection Misdirection"
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 02:24 AM
Mar 2016

It IS a very Republican tactic.

Quite Rovian, trying to bring Bernie down closer to their level

of the sewer



Impedimentus

(898 posts)
24. Often it's playing the victim card
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 02:26 AM
Mar 2016

FOX has mastered the technique as have the Republicans. It immediately change the focus of the issue to the other side.

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
27. Yep. It's like the player who keeps hacking you and running over you on the basketball court
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 03:51 AM
Mar 2016

while insisting that you are the one who is fouling on every single play.

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
37. Yes, it's just good, effective machiavellian political strategy.
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 01:34 PM
Mar 2016

And yes, I am just pointing out the obvious.

corbettkroehler

(1,898 posts)
31. Karl Rove Showed Us How It's Done
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 05:53 AM
Mar 2016

This approach is straight out of the Karl Rove playbook. In 2004, he accused John Kerry of being a coward when Dubya had used his father's influence to take multiple deferments and serve in the National Guard while Kerry volunteered for dangerous duty in Vietnam.

Karl accused John Kerry of being a New England elite when Dubya had attended some of the most elite universities in the world.

The definition of the strategy is simple: when calculating your candidate's weakness, accuse the opponent of the same weakness as often and loudly as possible. In 2004, it worked beautifully because Kerry seldom responded. Sanders has begun to respond but, for purposes of Super Tuesday, it's too little too late.

Governor Ed Rendell explained the proper approach in his book A Nation of Wusses: How America's Leaders Lost the Guts to Make Us Great. My mind also turns to Governor Deval Patrick's speech at the 2012 convention when he said most persuasively that it's time for Democrats to grow a backbone and stand up for what we believe.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
34. That's a sharp tactic and almost always works, look at 'the clergy' which screams about how others
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 10:33 AM
Mar 2016

are super sinful and make entire careers out of attacking LGBT when they are very, very regularly found to be sexual predators abusing kids and poor women. They are very often found to be financially corrupt. And yet no matter how often this happens, the next 'man of God' is allowed to stand up and rail against other people again, as if they have standing.
Look at the Catholic Church. Everyone including Oscar knows what they have nurtured and done. Horrible things. But Francis rolls into Congress and attacks LGBT and Americans say 'well that's his job after all' instead of saying 'that hypocritical fucker is using LGBT to distract from the fact that his own peer group is full of predators'.

When people shout about the sins of others, always and instantly inspect them for the same failures, you will very often find far worse.

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