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AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 01:49 AM Mar 2016

Would you trust Hillary to not hand over more and more American sovereignty to big corporations?

Obama is giving away American sovereignty to big corporations with the TPP:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/kill-the-dispute-settlement-language-in-the-trans-pacific-partnership/2015/02/25/ec7705a2-bd1e-11e4-b274-e5209a3bc9a9_story.html

(ISDS = Investor-State Dispute Settlement section in the TPP)

From Elizabeth Warren:

ISDS would allow foreign companies to challenge U.S. laws — and potentially to pick up huge payouts from taxpayers — without ever stepping foot in a U.S. court. Here’s how it would work. Imagine that the United States bans a toxic chemical that is often added to gasoline because of its health and environmental consequences. If a foreign company that makes the toxic chemical opposes the law, it would normally have to challenge it in a U.S. court. But with ISDS, the company could skip the U.S. courts and go before an international panel of arbitrators. If the company won, the ruling couldn’t be challenged in U.S. courts, and the arbitration panel could require American taxpayers to cough up millions — and even billions — of dollars in damages.

If that seems shocking, buckle your seat belt. ISDS could lead to gigantic fines, but it wouldn’t employ independent judges. Instead, highly paid corporate lawyers would go back and forth between representing corporations one day and sitting in judgment the next. Maybe that makes sense in an arbitration between two corporations, but not in cases between corporations and governments. If you’re a lawyer looking to maintain or attract high-paying corporate clients, how likely are you to rule against those corporations when it’s your turn in the judge’s seat?

If the tilt toward giant corporations wasn’t clear enough, consider who would get to use this special court: only international investors, which are, by and large, big corporations. So if a Vietnamese company with U.S. operations wanted to challenge an increase in the U.S. minimum wage, it could use ISDS. But if an American labor union believed Vietnam was allowing Vietnamese companies to pay slave wages in violation of trade commitments, the union would have to make its case in the Vietnamese courts.


Can you trust Hillary to not do the same and/or more?
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Would you trust Hillary to not hand over more and more American sovereignty to big corporations? (Original Post) AZ Progressive Mar 2016 OP
No. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #1
Yes! Hoyt Mar 2016 #2
On what evidence do you base your answer? tk2kewl Mar 2016 #24
On his firm belief that the main beneficiaries of TPP Art_from_Ark Mar 2016 #34
Not just no, but HELL NO DJ13 Mar 2016 #3
Fuck no! TIME TO PANIC Mar 2016 #4
Yes nt gwheezie Mar 2016 #5
You base this answer on what? tk2kewl Mar 2016 #25
You've got to be kidding, right??? Hell no. CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2016 #6
It's probably already in the works. 2pooped2pop Mar 2016 #7
Hillary said she opposes TPP 6chars Mar 2016 #8
She will take on wall streets big donations to her campaign Press Virginia Mar 2016 #12
Hey TPP! Cut it out! RufusTFirefly Mar 2016 #14
Hillary says a lot of things, most of which contradict one another. Her view goes Dragonfli Mar 2016 #20
We!ve been assured she'll support the TPP. AtomicKitten Mar 2016 #21
She also said she will continue Obama's policies shawn703 Mar 2016 #29
Let me respond as if I'm a Hillary supporter revbones Mar 2016 #9
Nope. nt Live and Learn Mar 2016 #10
Nope Press Virginia Mar 2016 #11
NO SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2016 #13
US Chamber of Commerce has informed members not to worry about Clinton's "current" position on TPP. Arizona Roadrunner Mar 2016 #15
of course not nt grasswire Mar 2016 #16
No. SamKnause Mar 2016 #17
Is the pope a Protestant? tularetom Mar 2016 #18
Hell no, She would do it in a heartbeat, hell the woman can't go a minute without lying Dragonfli Mar 2016 #19
hell no, I don't even trust her as dog catcher. Cobalt Violet Mar 2016 #22
Nope, after taking a long look at the Clintons' effect on America, no way. n/t That Guy 888 Mar 2016 #23
These corp investment deals ultimately annul our ability to achieve anything progressive tk2kewl Mar 2016 #26
yes. handmade34 Mar 2016 #27
So do you think Clinton lied shawn703 Mar 2016 #31
No mindem Mar 2016 #28
I don't trust her. Period. n/t tazkcmo Mar 2016 #30
She will sell us out almost immediately kenfrequed Mar 2016 #32
No If Elected expect even more Corpirate give INdemo Mar 2016 #33
This a trick question? Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #35
I don't think we should "trust" anyone with that power. Orsino Mar 2016 #36
I wouldn't trust Hillary at all. /EOM demwing Mar 2016 #37

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
14. Hey TPP! Cut it out!
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 02:19 AM
Mar 2016

But I thought it was the "gold standard."




To answer the original question: No frickin' way!


I'd trust her to wipe my server though. You know, like, with a cloth.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
20. Hillary says a lot of things, most of which contradict one another. Her view goes
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 02:45 AM
Mar 2016

where the wind blows and the money flows.
Sometimes lying about A to get the B.

 

Arizona Roadrunner

(168 posts)
15. US Chamber of Commerce has informed members not to worry about Clinton's "current" position on TPP.
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 02:20 AM
Mar 2016

US Chamber of Commerce has informed members not to worry about Clinton's "current" position on TPP. They imply that after the election, she will then "currently" be in favor of TPP. Follow the money.......

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
19. Hell no, She would do it in a heartbeat, hell the woman can't go a minute without lying
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 02:42 AM
Mar 2016

And sure as shit takes every corporate bit of cash she can lay her hands on without a thought about any of us .

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
26. These corp investment deals ultimately annul our ability to achieve anything progressive
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 08:49 AM
Mar 2016

On economic and environmental justice. And once we are all financially subjugated how exactly do we do we have any means of maintaining or advancing social justice?

shawn703

(2,702 posts)
31. So do you think Clinton lied
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 09:09 AM
Mar 2016

When she said she wants to continue Obama's policies? Obama considers the TPP to be the capstone of his presidency. That would be a big slap in his face to not support the TPP, would it not?

mindem

(1,580 posts)
28. No
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 08:56 AM
Mar 2016

I don't want a Clinton anywhere near a trade deal. Hillary would be a stellar example of bait and switch.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
32. She will sell us out almost immediately
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 09:11 AM
Mar 2016

She will support the TPP and any future trade pacts without hesitation and continue to do the work of the banks.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
33. No If Elected expect even more Corpirate give
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 09:14 AM
Mar 2016

aways as well as tax relief for the rich.
Expect cuts in SS and age increased
More free trade deals Hillars owes Corpirate America and they will collect

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
36. I don't think we should "trust" anyone with that power.
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 09:18 AM
Mar 2016

The reason to keep it in political hands is to keep those hands directly accountable. History argues against a Clinton fighting the trend of corporatization.

I'd love to believe the Hillary has just been playing the game for her entire career in order to circumvent institutional sexism, and that once in office she could tell corporate powers that be to fuck off.

But I'm not optimistic.

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