due to Sanders supporters enthrallment with GOP propaganda: The Clinton e-mail ‘scandal’ that isn't

[Recoverin_Republican]

Bernie supporters are completely enthralled with the GOP's anti-Hillary propaganda that she MUST have done something illegal with her emails, the following heretical information is provided...



[font size="+1"]The Hillary Clinton e-mail ‘scandal’ that isn’t [/font]
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-hillary-clinton-e-mail-scandal-that-isnt/2015/08/27/b1cabed8-4cf4-11e5-902f-39e9219e574b_story.html

Does Hillary Clinton have a serious legal problem because she may have transmitted classified information on her private e-mail server? After talking with a half-dozen knowledgeable lawyers, I think this “scandal” is overstated. Using the server was a self-inflicted wound by Clinton, but it’s not something a prosecutor would take to court.

“It’s common” that people end up using unclassified systems to transmit classified information, said Jeffrey Smith, a former CIA general counsel who’s now a partner at Arnold & Porter, where he often represents defendants suspected of misusing classified information.

“There are always these back channels,” Smith explained. “It’s inevitable, because the classified systems are often cumbersome and lots of people have access to the classified e-mails or cables.” People who need quick guidance about a sensitive matter often pick up the phone or send a message on an open system. They shouldn’t, but they do.

“It’s common knowledge that the classified communications system is impossible and isn’t used,” said one former high-level Justice Department official. Several former prosecutors said flatly that such sloppy, unauthorized practices, although technically violations of law, wouldn’t normally lead to criminal cases.
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[font size="+1"]Powell and Rice received classified emails in personal accounts[/font]
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/268228-report-colin-powell-and-condoleezza-rice-staff-received-classified-emails-on




[font size="+1"]Bush White House lost millions of emails which were held in a private account controlled by the Republican National Committee ....

FLASHBACK: When Millions Of Lost Bush White House Emails (From Private Accounts) Triggered A Media Shrug [/font]
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/03/10/flashback-when-millions-of-lost-bush-white-hous/202820

Even for a Republican White House that was badly stumbling through George W. Bush's sixth year in office, the revelation on April 12, 2007 was shocking. Responding to congressional demands for emails in connection with its investigation into the partisan firing of eight U.S. attorneys, the White House announced that as many as five million emails, covering a two-year span, had been lost.

The emails had been run through private accounts controlled by the Republican National Committee and were only supposed to be used for dealing with non-administration political campaign work to avoid violating ethics laws. Yet congressional investigators already had evidence private emails had been used for government business, including to discuss the firing of one of the U.S. attorneys. The RNC accounts were used by 22 White House staffers, including then-Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove, who reportedly used his RNC email for 95 percent of his communications.

As the Washington Post reported, "Under federal law, the White House is required to maintain records, including e-mails, involving presidential decision- making and deliberations." But suddenly millions of the private RNC emails had gone missing; emails that were seen as potentially crucial evidence by Congressional investigators.
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[font size="+1"]Flashback: Rove Erases 22 Million White House Emails on Private Server at Height of U.S. Attorney Scandal – Media Yawns[/font]
http://www.pensitoreview.com/2015/03/18/flashback-rove-erases-22-million-white-house-emails-on-private-server-at-height-of-u-s-attorney-scandal-media-yawns/

Now that they’ve taken control of Congress, Republicans are wielding power much the same way they did in the Clinton era and for the six years afterward when they controlled the White House and Congress under George W. Bush: ineptly — ex. 1, 2, 3, etc.

RELATED:
Jeb Bush broke Florida’s “Sunshine Laws” by deleting at least 300,000 emails.

Then as now, it’s clear that the only thing Republicans do very well is inflame the media with bogus scandals — which is a handy way to distract attention from their ineptitude. They are doing this with their usual aplomb, and considerable success, in the matter of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s use of a private server to send emails.

Clinton has said she deleted about 50,000 emails that dealt with personal matters, citing her daughter’s wedding and her mother’s funeral as examples. All the correspondence pertaining to official business was turned over to archived by State. The deletion of the emails, though perfectly legal, has excited House Republicans, including Speaker John Boehner, who has announced plans to deploy House committees to investigate what might aptly be called Servergate.

Never mind that former Secretary of State Colin Powell, a Republican, has said he used a system similar to Clinton’s — and never mind that in 2007 Karl Rove deleted 22 million emails from a private server in the Bush White House — a matter about which the Beltway media said little and Republicans in Congress, like Rep. John Boehner, said nothing.

Here is a brief refresher on the White House email scandal:
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[font size="+1"]22 Million "lost" White House Emails "found" - AFTER Citizens for Ethics and Responsibility and the National Security Archive sued the Executive Office of the Presidency to produce the emails as required by law[/font]
http://www.wired.com/2009/12/22-million-emails-found/

White House computer technicians have found 22 million e-mails that were believed to have been lost during President George W. Bush’s administration, according to the Associated Press.

The discovery was announced Monday by the National Security Archive and Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, or CREW, which filed lawsuits against the Executive Office of the President, or EOP, over the e-mails in 2007.

The two groups had initially filed a Freedom of Information Act request for e-mails in the wake of a scandal involving the Justice Department, which had fired U.S. attorneys around the country in an apparent political bid to rid the department of prosecutors who didn’t adhere to the White House’s conservative agenda. The missing e-mails were also potentially crucial to the investigation into the Valerie Plame–CIA leak scandal.

The groups eventually filed lawsuits after the EOP revealed that it had lost about 5 million e-mails from its servers between January 2003 and July 2005, because the e-mails had not been archived properly per the Presidential Records Act. Among other things, CREW sought records about the EOP’s e-mail management system, about retained and missing e-mails, and about any audit reports that might have revealed potential problems with the e-mail system.
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[arcane1]

1. DU was UNANIMOUSLY opposed to Powell etc using private emails.

It suddenly became OK with "our side" did it.

Imagine that

[Recoverin_Republican]

9. I don't THINK anybody thought of prosecuting him, did anybody???? or Rice?

[arcane1]

12. Nobody with the power to do so. Including the Dems n/t

[UglyGreed]

43. It Sanders supporters fault

because Hillary put herself in this position...................

[arcane1]

57. Funny how that works, isn't it?

[Politicalboi]

51. Are they running for president?

NO! They should get the same treatment. So let's have all 3 up on charges.

[PoliticalMalcontent]

13. +1 for pointing out hypocrisy.

[anigbrowl]

60. No not really

Let's be honest here, people were opposed to it because they saw political advantage in being against it. It's a poor security practice, like using your dog's name as a password or having a PIN of 1234, but it's not the great crime anyone is making it out to be.

[arcane1]

61. I was against it because the law forbade the use of private email addressess n/t

[tymorial]

76. DU has been against a lot of things that are now

Perfectly fine. Money in politics and wall street are high on that list.

[nichomachus]

2. "Watergate is just a third-rate burglary." GOP apologists, 1972.

History repeating itself.

[Agnosticsherbet]

3. As long as there are straws.

They will be grasped
In hope that camel's
Vertebra will snap.

[NWCorona]

4. I hate to ruin your main talking point but

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/bush-emails-found-22-mill_n_391557.html

[Recoverin_Republican]

16. you really should read the entire OP be4 commenting. "White House Emails "found" after suit filed

Please check it out in OP.

22 Million "lost" White House Emails "found" - AFTER Citizens for Ethics and Responsibility and the National Security Archive sued the Executive Office of the Presidency to produce the emails as required by law
http://www.wired.com/2009/12/22-million-emails-found/

and from the article in HuffPo

The two private organizations {Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington and the National Security Archive_RR} say there is not yet a final count on the extent of missing White House e-mail and there may never be a complete tally.

Meredith Fuchs, general counsel to the National Security Archive, said "many poor choices were made during the Bush administration and there was little concern about the availability of e-mail records despite the fact that they were contending with regular subpoenas for records and had a legal obligation to preserve their records."

"We may never discover the full story of what happened here," said Melanie Sloan, CREW's executive director. "It seems like they just didn't want the e-mails preserved."

Sloan said the latest count of misplaced e-mails "gives us confirmation that the Bush administration lied when they said no e-mails were missing."

The point is that people in government using private accounts for their emails - which may have included discussion of Government business, perhaps including classified content (we don't know if we don't have the emails to examine) - is not something extraordinary.

Colin Powell and Condi Rice had emails in their private accounts with classified info in them. anybody talking about indicting them???


recommend you read the article excerpted in OP: The Hillary Clinton email scandal that isn't.. it really is very informative on this issue of emails in private accounts and classified info.

[AzDar]

5. Yeah.. the fault of any and everyone else that Hillary is either corrupt or incompetent.

[Recoverin_Republican]

19. personal email accounts & classified info in them in Government is not something extraordinary

you really should read the OP and in Particular the article I referred to here is again:

[font size="+1"]The Hillary Clinton e-mail ‘scandal’ that isn’t [/font]
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-hillary-clinton-e-mail-scandal-that-isnt/2015/08/27/b1cabed8-4cf4-11e5-902f-39e9219e574b_story.html

Does Hillary Clinton have a serious legal problem because she may have transmitted classified information on her private e-mail server? After talking with a half-dozen knowledgeable lawyers, I think this “scandal” is overstated. Using the server was a self-inflicted wound by Clinton, but it’s not something a prosecutor would take to court.

“It’s common” that people end up using unclassified systems to transmit classified information, said Jeffrey Smith, a former CIA general counsel who’s now a partner at Arnold & Porter, where he often represents defendants suspected of misusing classified information.

“There are always these back channels,” Smith explained. “It’s inevitable, because the classified systems are often cumbersome and lots of people have access to the classified e-mails or cables.” People who need quick guidance about a sensitive matter often pick up the phone or send a message on an open system. They shouldn’t, but they do.

“It’s common knowledge that the classified communications system is impossible and isn’t used,” said one former high-level Justice Department official. Several former prosecutors said flatly that such sloppy, unauthorized practices, although technically violations of law, wouldn’t normally lead to criminal cases.
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Has anybody called for prosecution of Powell or Condi Rice??

BTW, all the classified info in the emails was NOT CLassified at the time it was sent to Sec. Clinton.

[AzDar]

26. Tu Quoque = FAIL

[Recoverin_Republican]

52. your motto should be: "Vanitas est, et sua munera" - Nonsense is it's own reward.

[leveymg]

35. That's an oped from last August. Time and events have rendered it moot.

This was before the investigations and law suits got underway. It is not looking like she will be exonerated.

[artislife]

46. I only like the story because it really exposes her arrogance in such an easy to see manner

It has been dumb, as well.

Oh, before they scream about Powell, :


Powell has never been implicated in any of the wrongdoing involving My Lai. No evidence ties him to the attempted cover-up. But he was part of an institution (and a division) that tried hard to keep the story of My Lai hidden–a point unacknowledged in his autobiography. Moreover, several months before he was interviewed by Sheehan, Powell was ordered to look into allegations made by another former GI that US troops had "without provocation or justification" killed civilians. (These charges did not mention My Lai specifically.) Powell mounted a most cursory examination. He did not ask the accuser for more specific information. He interviewed a few officers and reported to his superiors that there was nothing to the allegations [see "Questions for Powell," The Nation, January 8/15, 2001]. This exercise is not mentioned in his memoirs.

http://www.thenation.com/article/colin-powells-vietnam-fog/
and

SECRETARY OF STATE COLIN POWELL: One of the most worrisome things that emerges from the thick intelligence file we have on Iraq’s biological weapons is the existence of mobile production facilities used to make biological agents. Let me take you inside that intelligence file and share with you what we know from eyewitness accounts. We have firsthand descriptions of biological weapons factories on wheels and on rails. The trucks and train cars are easily moved and are designed to evade detection by inspectors. In a matter of months, they can produce a quantity of biological poison equal to the entire amount that Iraq claimed to have produced in the years prior to the Gulf War.

Not the most thorough of men.

[datguy_6]

6. Powell and Rice weren't subject to Executive Order 13526

And the scale of the potential violations is unparalled; Powell has 2 emails, Rice had 12 and Clinton had 1,200. See the difference?

I work as a defense contractor for an undisclosedgovernment intelligence agency and this is a big deal...

[Recoverin_Republican]

23. the classified info was classified in the last yr - it wasn't classified when HRC received emails.

30 yrs exp in Gov & Ind. All kinds of stuff is classified that shouldn't be. It's a well known problem in Government has been recognized for years.

[Recoverin_Republican]

24. The Real... Email Scandal: Our Ridiculous Classification Rules

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511385355

[leveymg]

37. The law may be ridiculous. Maybe she should tell that to the FBI and the Judge

[Recoverin_Republican]

40. I guess Colin Powell and Condi Rice should explain that too..or, I guess we enforce the law

based upon who has (assuming we have evidence of a violation) broken it.

[artislife]

47. Both Republicans facing a republican congress...

Could that be the reason?

[leveymg]

63. 10 year statute of limitations apply, unfortunately.

650. Length of Limitations Period | USAM | Department of ...
https://www.justice.gov/.../criminal-re...
United States Department of Justice
Section 19 of the Internal Security Act of 1950, 64 Stat. 1005, provides a ten-year limitations period for prosecutions under the espionage statutes, 18 U.S.C. ...

[Recoverin_Republican]

67. they wouldn't be indicted if it was within SoL, because as shown in OP, the prosecutions are rare.

Here is what lawyers who work cases involving alleged misuse of classified information:

[font size="3"]“It’s common” that people end up using unclassified systems to transmit classified information, said Jeffrey Smith, a former CIA general counsel who’s now a partner at Arnold & Porter, where he often represents defendants suspected of misusing classified information.

“There are always these back channels,” Smith explained. “It’s inevitable, because the classified systems are often cumbersome and lots of people have access to the classified e-mails or cables.” People who need quick guidance about a sensitive matter often pick up the phone or send a message on an open system.[/font]


[font size="+1"]The Hillary Clinton e-mail ‘scandal’ that isn’t [/font]
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-hillary-clinton-e-mail-scandal-that-isnt/2015/08/27/b1cabed8-4cf4-11e5-902f-39e9219e574b_story.html

Does Hillary Clinton have a serious legal problem because she may have transmitted classified information on her private e-mail server? After talking with a half-dozen knowledgeable lawyers, I think this “scandal” is overstated. Using the server was a self-inflicted wound by Clinton, but it’s not something a prosecutor would take to court.

“It’s common” that people end up using unclassified systems to transmit classified information, said Jeffrey Smith, a former CIA general counsel who’s now a partner at Arnold & Porter, where he often represents defendants suspected of misusing classified information.

“There are always these back channels,” Smith explained. “It’s inevitable, because the classified systems are often cumbersome and lots of people have access to the classified e-mails or cables.” People who need quick guidance about a sensitive matter often pick up the phone or send a message on an open system. They shouldn’t, but they do.

“It’s common knowledge that the classified communications system is impossible and isn’t used,” said one former high-level Justice Department official. Several former prosecutors said flatly that such sloppy, unauthorized practices, although technically violations of law, wouldn’t normally lead to criminal cases.
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[leveymg]

72. Not only is it uncommon, her private server is unique.

Petraeus compromised himself and his girlfriend by retaining and sharing his classified briefing books. Madam Secretary exposed everyone who communicated by email with her.

You are completely full of shit.

[Recoverin_Republican]

44. it wasn't classified when she received the emails. did 'we' forget that? LOL!

[leveymg]

64. Wrong, again. Look up Deemed Classified. There is no legal allowance for "retroactive classified"

Last edited Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:03 PM - Edit history (1)

which isn't even a legal term but is instead made up to obscure the legal realities of the charges Secretary Clinton faces if prosecuted. Also, look up 18 USC Sec 793, Espionage Act along with Presidential Order 15426 which contains the federal rules for classification and the deemed classified rule that applies to mishandling classified materials.

[Recoverin_Republican]

65. Wrong: FACT: None Of The Emails Sent To Clinton Were Labeled As "Classified" Or "Top Secret"

http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/08/12/myths-and-facts-on-hillary-clintons-email-and-r/204913#noneclassified

Government Officials: None Of The Emails Were Marked As "Classified" When They Were Sent. The Washington Post reported that when the ICIG first "found information that should have been designated as classified" in four emails from Clinton's server -- two of which he now says contain "top secret" information -- government officials acknowledged that the emails were not marked as classified when they were sent (emphasis added):

The Justice Department said Friday that it has been notified of a potential compromise of classified information in connection with the private e-mail account that Hillary Rodham Clinton used while serving as secretary of state.

A Justice official said the department had received a "referral" on the matter, which the inspector general of the intelligence agencies later acknowledged came from him.

The inspector general, I. Charles McCullough III, said in a separate statement that he had found information that should have been designated as classified in four e-mails out of a "limited sample" of 40 that his agency reviewed. As a result, he said, he made the "security referral," acting under a federal law that requires alerting the FBI to any potential compromises of national security information.

(...)

Officials acknowledged that none of the e-mails reviewed so far contain information that was marked classified when they were sent. But a new inquiry would prolong the political controversy Clinton is facing over her un­or­tho­dox e-mail system. (The Washington Post, 7/24/15)

IG Memo On Classified Information In Emails: "None Of The Emails ... Had Classification Or Dissemination Markings." A memo from the ICIG clearly stated that "none of the emails we reviewed had classification or dissemination markings":

Since the referenced 25 June 2015 notification, we were informed by State FOIA officials that there are potentially hundreds of classified emails within the approximately 30,000 provided by former Secretary Clinton. We note that none of the emails we reviewed had classification or dissemination markings, but some included IC-derived classified information and should have been handled as classified, appropriately marked, and transmitted via a secure network. Further, my office's limited sampling of 40 of the emails revealed four contained classified IC information which should have been marked and handled at a SECRET level. (Inspector General of the Intelligence Community, 7/23/15)

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[Recoverin_Republican]

66. "Wrong again"?. typical Bullshit technique: "again" please identify when I was "wrong" before.LOL

let's see a link ...

[leveymg]

73. You are hopelessly confused. nt

[Recoverin_Republican]

74. you prefer your own Alternate Reality (as per GOP propaganda) to th real World th rest of us live in

[leveymg]

38. Don't confuse this one with too many facts.

He's still in stage 2 denial.

[jillan]

7. Powell and Rice did not run for President.

[Recoverin_Republican]

22. the law applies to Gov officials, employees whether or not you are running for president.

[Lizzie Poppet]

8. "So-and-so did it too" is something most grow out of in grade school.

Sadly, "most" is not "all."

[Recoverin_Republican]

21. is anybody talking about prosecuting Powell and Condi Rice?? IT's called everybody is equal before

the law.

[Lizzie Poppet]

53. I have no idea. That's tangential at best (which was kinda my point).

"Tu quoque" is fallacious for a reason, y'see...

[Recoverin_Republican]

70. Powell and Condi Rice had personal accounts which held classified info. They weren't prosecuted

because as was pointed out in OP:

Here is what lawyers who work cases involving alleged misuse of classified information:

[font size="3"]“It’s common” that people end up using unclassified systems to transmit classified information, said Jeffrey Smith, a former CIA general counsel who’s now a partner at Arnold & Porter, where he often represents defendants suspected of misusing classified information.

“There are always these back channels,” Smith explained. “It’s inevitable, because the classified systems are often cumbersome and lots of people have access to the classified e-mails or cables.” People who need quick guidance about a sensitive matter often pick up the phone or send a message on an open system.[/font]


[font size="+1"]The Hillary Clinton e-mail ‘scandal’ that isn’t [/font]
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-hillary-clinton-e-mail-scandal-that-isnt/2015/08/27/b1cabed8-4cf4-11e5-902f-39e9219e574b_story.html

Does Hillary Clinton have a serious legal problem because she may have transmitted classified information on her private e-mail server? After talking with a half-dozen knowledgeable lawyers, I think this “scandal” is overstated. Using the server was a self-inflicted wound by Clinton, but it’s not something a prosecutor would take to court.

“It’s common” that people end up using unclassified systems to transmit classified information, said Jeffrey Smith, a former CIA general counsel who’s now a partner at Arnold & Porter, where he often represents defendants suspected of misusing classified information.

“There are always these back channels,” Smith explained. “It’s inevitable, because the classified systems are often cumbersome and lots of people have access to the classified e-mails or cables.” People who need quick guidance about a sensitive matter often pick up the phone or send a message on an open system. They shouldn’t, but they do.

“It’s common knowledge that the classified communications system is impossible and isn’t used,” said one former high-level Justice Department official. Several former prosecutors said flatly that such sloppy, unauthorized practices, although technically violations of law, wouldn’t normally lead to criminal cases.
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[font size="+1"]... but I realize McCarthyism works with some people. I prefer to think for myself and wait until some evidence is produced. Joseph Goebbels would appreciate your willingness to be lead.[/font]

[Lizzie Poppet]

71. Completely talking past each other.

Never mind...

Going to let that Goebbels remark, vile as it was, slide (others might not...but any alert won't be mine). Since you so clearly missed pretty much every aspect of the point I was trying to make, I'll just assume that bullshit was the result of misunderstanding.

[angrychair]

10. Powell and Rice, really???

They are the poster children for poor judgement.

[Recoverin_Republican]

45. the law is supposed to be enforced consistently no matter who violated it - if you have evidence --

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511384728#post21

[artislife]

48. tap tap...it isn't the Democrats who initiated this...nor the Bernie supporters..nt

[angrychair]

50. If the law were applied equally and fairly

Than Clinton's banker buddies would be in jail right now and not members of her inner circle and/or giving her millions of dollars for speeches.

If the law were applied equally and fairly than 1 and 3 black men would not expect to go to jail in their lifetime.

If the law were applied equally and fairly than PoC that make up 30% of the U.S. population, would not make up 60% of the prison population.
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/race/news/2012/03/13/11351/the-top-10-most-startling-facts-about-people-of-color-and-criminal-justice-in-the-united-states/

Most importantly, if the law were applied equally and fairly, than like any other person that was even thought to have maybe mishandled classified information, she would have already been grilled for hours by an FBI or DIA agent and/or been in jail.
Trust me, she is being treated more than equal and more than fair.

So don't talk to me about "equal" and "fair". I'm sure a lot of people wish the law was a lot more equal and a lot more fair.

[mmonk]

11. Thank you God for letting me know in advance.

[NowSam]

14. Not enthralled. Disgusted

is what I am. Disgusted that more than half the Democratic party is willing to sacrifice honesty, integrity and transparency in the coronation of Hillary Clinton.

[Recoverin_Republican]

25. I guess you find it's easier to not bother with evidence to make a judgement....LOL!!

Try to look for evidence before you pronounce the sentence. Oh, and it's always good to try to think for yourself. (even if you don't care about justice for the accused, it does help in not being made a sucker.)

[Trajan]

27. Unless you wear a black robe and sit at a banc ...

You only have opinions about the status of those emails ...

And, given your demonstrated proclivity to demean others who disagree with you ... You have got to go ..

Gone ...

[NowSam]

28. Thank you. I do trust my own eyes and ears

and reasoning faculties and that is how I render my judgement of the character of Hillary Clinton. Not over one election cycle, mind you but since 1992. If you follow her after careful analysis then I stand by my statement that it is horrifying that many would sell out their values just to win. Why not buy a trophy instead?

Bernie, on the other hand, has shown true integrity and character for several decades. So I think for myself. How about you?

[rock]

15. Welcome to DU

I enjoyed your post. Hang a round awhile, you ain't seen nuthin' yet.

[Recoverin_Republican]

39. thank you. IT's nice to here a non-hostile voice when clashing swords with Bernie's hords!

NEVER in my wildest nightmares did I think I would be explaining to Democrats (ostensibly) that the GOP are unprincipled lieing bastards who don't give shit about the average American. It's very hard to believe any Democrat (ostensibly) would not already know that. Maybe the key word here is 'ostensibly'.

[Vinca]

17. Get back to us when the FBI concludes its investigation.

[rbrnmw]

18. You Didn't Have to Post His Picture

[Broward]

20. Hillary and many of her supporters are enthralled with GOP policies.

[NowSam]

29. Exactly. What kind of a choice is that in this election?

The absurdity of it all is one thing. The utter contempt they have for the 99% is another.

[Recoverin_Republican]

34. given the ease with which many voters are swallowing GOP propaganda (HRC is guilty w/o evidence

she actually did anything nefarious or illegal) .. one can almost ..ALMOST... not blame the GOP for their sublime disdain for the 'little' people.

[Recoverin_Republican]

30. how do you like this "policy": Republican Operatives Try to Help Bernie Sanders (ads attacking HRC)

[font size="+1"]
“We're going to win every state, if Bernie Sanders is the nominee.”

Republican Operatives Try to Help Bernie Sanders[/font]
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-01-19/republican-operatives-are-trying-to-help-bernie-sanders

Republican operatives are having a strange crush on Bernie Sanders.

During Sunday night’s Democratic debate, the Republican National Committee made the unusual move of sending no fewer than four real-time e-mails to reporters defending the self-described democratic socialist from attacks by Hillary Clinton or echoing his message against her. Based on their content, one could be forgiven for thinking the RNC communiques came from the Sanders campaign.

One RNC e-mail, which was titled “Clinton’s Misleading Health Care Attack,” defended the Vermont senator from what it described as “the Clinton campaign’s inaccurate remarks on Sanders’ single-payer plan,” and quoted news articles that featured rebuttals of her arguments. A second message countered Clinton’s attacks on Sanders over gun control by pointing out her gun-friendly statements in the past. Two other e-mails sought to bolster Sanders’ case that Clinton is too close to Wall Street and the drug industry.

Sean Spicer, the chief strategist and spokesman for the RNC, spent much of the evening tweeting Sanders-friendly commentary on the debate, often with the pro-Sanders hashtag #FeelTheBern. At one point, Spicer gently chided Sanders for what he deemed a poor response to a question and added, “come on we are trying to help u.”

~~
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Meanwhile, American Crossroads, a group co-founded by Karl Rove, is airing an ad in Iowa bolstering a core tenet of Sanders’s case against Clinton: that she has received large sums of campaign contributions from Wall Street, and therefore can't be trusted to crack down on big banks. “Hillary rewarded Wall Street with a $700 billion bailout, then Wall Street made her a multi-millionaire,” a narrator in the ad says. “Does Iowa really want Wall Street in the White House?”

~~
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These Republican operatives are attempting to pick their Democratic opponent in the general election, and they’re making clear they’d rather face Sanders than Clinton. It is age-old political manipulation tactic, typically used with some subtlety. It comes as recent polls show Sanders as competitive in Iowa and leading in New Hampshire, where back-to-back Sanders victories could endanger Clinton's national lead.
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[Broward]

33. That's not a policy

[Recoverin_Republican]

42. did you notice the quotes ( " ") around "policy" in my title. try to keep up.

[Bradical79]

55. Broward seems to be keeping up just fine

"Recoverin"_Republican

[Recoverin_Republican]

68. are u implying I'm still a Republican. What nonsense. If I were I'd be campaigning 4 Sanders like

crazy!

[Oilwellian]

31. You post David Brock crap and then mock US for being enthralled w/the GOP?

That's really rich coming from someone who has Republican in their name. LOL

What are the key legal dangers facing Clinton and her aides? Here are just a few.

* Hillary Clinton deliberately set up a private email server for herself and her top State Department aides. She used it to store over 1,800 documents now deemed classified, some highly classified. The sheer bulk of the security violations is extraordinary. Intelligence professionals agree the server was almost certainly hacked by foreign agencies—probably by several.

* Secretary Clinton specifically instructed aides to send her classified materials on that insecure network. We know of at least one such instruction. We don’t know how many others were redacted by the State Department.

* Because her server was private, the State Department’s records did not include its contents when responding to Freedom of Information Act requests. The department wrongly told FOIA applicants that no such materials existed. Not only did the materials exist (on Clinton’s server), senior officials knew it and allowed false denials to be made.

* Some documents on the Clinton server contained the intelligence-gathering methods, the names of undercover agents, and real-time disclosures of top officials’ movements. Aside from the nuclear launch codes, these are the most closely guarded secrets in the U.S. government. That material is “classified at birth,” as Clinton, Mills, Abedin, and Sullivan certainly knew. To avoid any misunderstanding, they had all taken mandatory training in the proper treatment of sensitive and classified materials.

* Some of the classified materials on Clinton’s server originated in intelligence agencies outside the State Department and came into the department on a secure, classified network. They were marked as such. They could only be transferred to Clinton’s unsecured network by hand. Each occurrence was a felony. Since the server has now been recovered, the FBI and intelligence agencies know who sent those messages and who received them at the State Department.

* The Clinton Foundation and some private businesses were deeply involved in the State Department’s business. The lines were blurred between Hillary Clinton’s official role as secretary of state and her unofficial role at a major foundation, headed by her husband, that was showered with money from people and companies working with the State Department. At best, the arrangements were sleazy. At worst, they were criminal “pay to play.”

* Hillary’s closest aide, Huma Abedin, had blurred roles, too. While working at State, she was also employed by a private company whose clients did business with her department and the government.

Much More:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/02/29/hillarys_victories_mean_painful_legal_choices_for_doj_wh.html

I think I'll wait for the FBI investigations to be completed. Believing anything Brock says is laughable.

[hifiguy]

32. Benghazi was reichwing propaganda from the start.

Dozens of FBI agents investigating, well, not so much.

[Punkingal]

36. first I've heard of the FBI investigating something being right wing propaganda.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

41. "They did it too!" is just another way of admitting you did it too.

[nadinbrzezinski]

49. You of course have not kept up

now we have over 120 FBI agents looking at this, and reports of poissible wrong doing

From yesterday

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/02/29/hillarys_victories_mean_painful_legal_choices_for_doj_wh.html

And from today

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1364743

And yes, Watergate was also a third rate burglary

[Jenny_92808]

54. I am with Bernie...

Enough already about her damn emails.

[Vogon_Glory]

56. What the Bernie-philes fail to understand:

What the Bernie-philes fail to understand is that we older Democrats saw the ceaseless torrents of non-stop lying and pseudo-scandals aimed at both Bill and Hillary Clinton flying from the Republican Party, talk radio, and the right-wing propaganda network's multiple organs.

The Clintons were repeatedly accused of crime after crime after crime, and right-wing talking heads would have had us believe that prosecution, convictions, and prison time were right around the corner, as one pseudo-scandal after another failed to pan out and was replaced with another pseudo-scandal.

After the Clinton impeachment trial fizzled and the Supreme Court installed Shrub, the Repuds controlled the Justice Department and had nearly eight years and a free hand to destroy Hillary Clinton.

They didn't, and somehow I very much doubt they refrained either out of concern for the Republic or common decency. More likely they lacked evidence for career wrecking prosecutions and conviction.

Fast forward to 2015 and 2016. We're hearing much the same old ####, often originating from the same untruthful, lying sources, and wide-eyed Bernie-phile naifs expect us to believe that indictments and prosecutions are right around the corner.

Why are we supposed to believe the Bernie-phile? Because he or she got it from the Examiner, Fox Noise, Breitbart, or some other "reliable" source. Right?

Right.

Many of us older Democrats, perhaps not long for this world, have heard of the saying "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me."

Present us older, warier Democrats with what looks like Lie #127 from the Right's myriad propaganda organs re-iterated for the 623rd time, and you might wonder why our credulity has gone AWOL.

GO FIGURE!!!

[bigtree]

58. k&r

[liberal_at_heart]

59. Any average joe working for a corporation would have been fired or sued for mishandling

such sensitive information and that is just for corporate information. How much more important is national security information? Why should she or anybody be allowed to use personal email for such important information?

[Oilwellian]

62. In the link I posted above

* Some documents on the Clinton server contained the intelligence-gathering methods, the names of undercover agents, and real-time disclosures of top officials’ movements. Aside from the nuclear launch codes, these are the most closely guarded secrets in the U.S. government. That material is “classified at birth,” as Clinton, Mills, Abedin, and Sullivan certainly knew. To avoid any misunderstanding, they had all taken mandatory training in the proper treatment of sensitive and classified materials.

Names of under cover agents are TOP SECRET information. Disclosing the real-time movement of officials is reckless and irresponsible. Serious laws have been broken and it will be interesting to see how it plays out.

[Warren DeMontague]

69. "Might not get indicted by the FBI" is not exactly and inspiring candidate tagline

But tell the FBI. If theres nothing there but right wing noise, they should be able to wrap this up quickly.

[Bill USA]

75. here we go again...the same hysterical claim that has been debunked before

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1898037