I don't vote for Republicans.

[dogknob]

1) I don't vote Republican because I don't want to see more US soldiers dying in the Middle East for regime change.
2) I don't vote Republican because they'll put the same megabanks in charge of Treasury that destroyed our economy the last time they were in charge of Treasury.
3) I don't vote Republican because I've always supported gay people's civil liberties and the Republicans who've barely come around to supporting gay marriage this decade are doing so only because the polling now supports it.
4) I don't vote Republican because they keep telling me they "need more research" to believe cannabis is a medicine.
5) I don't vote Republican because they institute terrible "free trade" deals that destroy jobs and wages.
6) I don't vote Republican because they support the increase of fracking worldwide, an environmentally disastrous policy.
7) I don't vote Republican because they don't believe America can be like every other modern democracy and provide universal health care coverage.
8) I don't vote Republican because they enjoy and exploit the campaign finance shenanigans made legal by Citizens United.
9) I don't vote Republican because they think a $15 minimum wage is too high and at best it ought to only be $12.
10) I don't vote Republican because they endorse and approve of NSA's warrantless spying on American citizens.
11) I don't vote Republican because they created and supported the USA PATRIOT ACT that is used far more against drug "crimes" than terrorism.
12) I don't vote Republican because they believe that "the era of big government is over" and work to destroy welfare.
13) I don't vote Republican because they believe in being "tough on crime" to the point of supporting mass incarceration of mostly black and brown people.
14) I don't vote Republican because they use racist dog whistles like calling black kids "superpredators... that [we have to] bring to heel."
15) I don't vote Republican because they opposed closing Gitmo.
16) I don't vote Republican because they want to cut Social Security, or at the very least, refuse to consider lifting the income cap on contributions to make rich people pay their fair share.
17) I don't vote Republican because people with net worth that requires two or three commas to print don't understand what people like me go through living paycheck to paycheck.
18) I don't vote Republican because I can't stand privatized prisons and they take lots of campaign donations from them.
19) I don't vote Republican because if we're not going to have socialism for the poor, why should I support those who voted to bail out the big banks and refuse to break them up?
20) I don't vote Republican because they supported the bankruptcy bill that made it harder for poor working people to discharge debt, while their hyper-rich friends make use of bankruptcy restructuring all the time.
21) I don't vote Republican because they oppose reinstating the Glass-Steagall Act that would separate investment and commercial banking.
22) I don't vote Republican because they support the death penalty.
23) I don't vote Republican because they vote for stupid things like a border fence with Mexico.
24) I don't vote Republican because they get most of their campaign donations from the big banks, instead of typical Democratic sources like unions.
25) I don't vote Republican because they would lock up Edward Snowden and throw away the key.

Those are 25 pretty good reasons why we Democrats don't vote for Republicans, don't you think?

So why would we vote for Hillary Clinton, the Rockefeller Republican who exemplifies every one of those 25 statements?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/russ-belville/the-problem-with-hillary-clinton_b_9349590.html

[catbyte]

1. You won't vote for CLinton? Well, then, get used to President Trump and the

disintegration of women's rights, gay rights, civil rights, anything that comes before a Trump Supreme Court, the total destruction of the middle class. But at least you'll have your principles. I just hope your kids understand, because, as much as I like Bernie, he's not going to win the nomination.

[dogknob]

6. Would you prefer a bullet or slow disembowelment?

I'll take the bullet because at least Gabby Giffords survived it.

[catbyte]

10. Whatever. I feel sorry for your kids. I feel sorry for everybody's kids.

[dogknob]

14. A "kid" at 46 makes you what... 90?

[catbyte]

15. Typo, sorry. YOUR kids.

[bvf]

31. No you don't.

[mindwalker_i]

13. Actually, there is something to be said for this

It's the slow-boiled frog thing right now. We keep accepting bigger and bigger "back-end development" because the size increases slowly enough for us to get used to it. With Hillary, we just screwed incrementally more. If, however, things take a drastic turn for the worse, people will be subjected to a discontinuous increase in said screwing and might - just might - do a little clenching.

[catbyte]

17. You might have something there. A President Trump will completely ignore climate change, so

there will be a mass die-off of most species on the planet, including humans. That'll fix 'em! Trouble is, Americans won't be the first to die off--unless the electrical grid collapses--then all bets are off. It won't be us to suffer.

[mindwalker_i]

23. You seem to be implying that Hillary will give a fuk about climate change

That is by no means certain and, in fact, I would bet that she would do little to nothing about it. In all fairness, Bernie probably couldn't get anything through but Hillary wouldn't even try - it would upset her donors.

[Dustlawyer]

30. She promises to install a large amount of solar panels (power plants), but nothing

about the real problems going on with solar right now. Access fees and other made up fees to discourage solar power by making it less financially beneficial. The electric companies local monopolies refuse to pay anywhere near the wholesale rate (Example: Co. pays 3 cents a kilowatt co-op pays 11 cents/wholesale rate). Hillary took money from Entergy, my power company, so she will never fight this battle. She will spend a lot of tax dollars for a prop, another solar plant we overpay to build and give ownership to Donors.

Bernie plans on FIGHTING CLIMATE CHANGE!!! We need to do what it takes to start reversing climate change, not some gesture, but real change! Our oceans are estimated to be fished out by 2045! That's if the growing acidification and heating doesn't do it first! We need high speed rail powered by wind and solar. Eliminate fracking, carbon tax... Hillary would never do that, nor could she. Bernie can if we back him up, WE HAVE TO WANT IT!!!

[mindwalker_i]

36. Oh I completely agree

This should be a priority and in truth, it's a hige opportunity to advance our technology, build new businesses, and lead the world - in short, make America great again. Even if Hillary said a bunch of stuff like this, I don't believe she'd follow through once select industries lobbied her.

Bernie may not be able to actually get anything through congress, but he will at least push the issue and get it into the public's mind. That's how things get done, but pushing on them and building movements. Hillary will or already did quit before even starting.

[marions ghost]

60. No, Hillary will not do what really needs to be done

about Climate Change.

She'll kick it down the road while giving lip service.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. What happened To Gabby Giffords was horrific...

Would you prefer a bullet or slow disembowelment?

I'll take the bullet because at least Gabby Giffords survived it.

What she went through is horrific. None of us should turn it into a punchline, and for all the internet bravado none of us would want to be shot in the head.

[dogknob]

24. That ain't no punchline. I don't wanna get shot in the head. Please do not shoot me in the head. n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

27. I don't have a firearm. I literally don't even want to be in the room with one./nt

[bvf]

33. But you were perfectly fine with arming

a few thousand American troops with them to breeze into Iraq, right?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

35. I opposed the Iraq War

But you were perfectly fine with arming

a few thousand American troops with them to breeze into Iraq, right?

Go bully and make up stuff about someone else...I don't play you and your associates' reindeer games.

[bvf]

40. But you support a candidate who was all for it.

Yes, you do.

You call it "bullying" to point that out? That's rich, really.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

43. You follow me around this board and try to provoke me.

I challenge anybody to do a search and see he pattern. I make a post and you attack me. If I try hard enough I can find the hidden post where you attacked me and got a hide. I swear on my dead mom everything I just wrote was the truth.


Again, go bully and make up stuff about someone else...I don't play you and your associates' reindeer games. I really can't think of any behavior more pusillanimous and contemptible than anonymous internet bullying.

[bvf]

77. Well, excuse me for responding.

Sheesh.

If what it takes for you to feel all comfy here is the assurance that nobody disagree with you, then just come out and ask me not to respond to your posts.

Go ahead.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

50. I'm sure all Sanders supporters will take that under advisement.

[AgingAmerican]

66. Faux outrage

The term for what you are commenting on is 'Creeping fascism'

[Chicago1980]

73. Quite foolish.

[Loudestlib]

38. You should pick a better candidate.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

49. You're hilarious!

[PatrynXX]

53. well he's a Moderate

She's a Conservative. Won't vote for either.

[RoccoR5955]

71. You know Clinton will not beat tRump

So if, in the off chance that she is nominated, and we get this fascist dictator, I will be proud to say, that I told you so!

[HERVEPA]

2. For fucking obvious reasons.

She's still twenty times better than the Rethug nominee.
And your not voting for her in the general won't bring any revolution. Just more misery for poor and minorities and gays.
And a Supreme Court that will fuck up my kids and my grandkids lives.

And my standard disclaimer. I would much prefer Bernie to her.

[FSogol]

3. Well said, n/t

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

54. Not voting for her is the only way to start the revolution.

But you are a status quo, big bank, corporate type, so you wouldn't know about popular revolution.

[HERVEPA]

57. There is no revolution. And you have no clue who I am.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

62. Yes. There. Is.

And don't be surprised.

[JaneyVee]

4. With such rigid purity tests...

Its not hard to see why there was a tea party takeover. Dems are a big tent party, a diverse party. Sorry but if youre looking for someone to agree with you on everything you should consider running for office to represent your district or state.

[iandhr]

9. Thank you.

I can't believe you have the nerve to bring reason and logic to an internet comment section.

[dogknob]

25. Which post are you replying to? Is it one that appears in this thread? n/t

[AgingAmerican]

70. Shifting policy priorities toward the right does not equate to a 'Big Tent'

The correct term is 'Creeping fascism'

[JEB]

79. Do you see the 25 issues listed above as a purity test?

I see them as principles.

[iandhr]

5. More idiocy thinking Hillary is a Republican what a shock

[GoneFishin]

7. She's a Republican. I don't give a shit what letter she puts after her name. That list proves that

she's as bad as they are. Maybe worse, because 1/2 of the Democratic base lets Republicans with a 'D' after their name get away with the exact same shit that would make their heads explode were it to be done by a Republican with an 'R' after their name.

[dogknob]

20. (D)publican... bwahahahaha!

We got a bunch of those in 'invincible supermajority' California.

1) Publicly support bill you have no intention of voting for.
2) Repeat step (1) as often as possible to look like you care about the interests of your consituents.
3) Abstain from voting, which counts as a 'no' under CA law, but does not earn you a 'no' on the record.
4) Rinse and repeat.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

8. fact do not matter to republicans

and hillys

[GoneFishin]

22. No difference. Pro-war, pro-minority incarceration for profit, pro-pollution, pro-military coup

overthrows of democratically elected governments. No difference.

[TheProgressive]

12. I, too, will *never* vote for a republican...

No longer will I compromise my own principals. My vote is a reflection of me and how I prefer the USA to be governed and how the world views us. America has been compromised by the oligarchy and we the people must correct the problem.

[TheBlackAdder]

16. Jury Results

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

on democratic underground Hillary is a Democrat. She's a candidate in the democratic primaries. This isn't green underground, independent underground, and sure isn't call Hillary a repuke underground. We're doing this against our own on super tuesday? please hide. p.s. if she's a repuke, why do they hate her so much?

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Mar 1, 2016, 07:08 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: why is this an alert?
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Just stop this shit. Anyone who thinks there's no difference between Hillary and any of the cretins left in the clown car is a FUCKING MORON. You may be proud of putting your ignorance on display but we don't really need it here.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: There is nothing wrong with this OP. Jesus H. Christ! Grow the fuck up on these flags.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is GDrimaries. This and more has been said about both candidates. On DU, Bernie Sanders is a Democrat, too, but there have been many, many posts that state they will not vote for him because he's not a Democrat.

It's not Call Bernie Sanders Names Underground, either, but that doesn't stop anyone from doing that. This is a repost of a Huffington Post article...
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Good post, even if I don't agree with the conclusion.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Is it true? If not challenge it. If it is then what can I say?

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[MH1]

19. Another fucking man who doesn't give a SHIT about women's rights.

25 things he says he cares about, and women's rights isn't one of them.

Strong environmental policy apparently isn't one of them, either.

Guess I might have to join the pro-Hillary crowd, even though I'd be fine with Bernie. Maybe more fine than with Hillary, okay, probably.

I'm just getting real tired of the fucking bullshit from the anti-Hillary crowd.

[dogknob]

21. If you're tired, then take a nap.

This is a list of THINGS ON WHICH SHE APPARENTLY AGREES WITH REPUBLICANS.

[MH1]

29. No, that P.O.S. article you posted is advocating not voting for the nominee

Never mind that the republican will GUT women's rights.

So, "dogknob" are YOU in agreement with the full of that P.O.S. article, that is, you are advocating for Democrats to NOT support Hillary in the general election, if she is the nominee? Because that is what this douchebag Russ Belville says in the lead in to that article you posted:

Well, not me personally. His article was about people like me, though, who support Bernie Sanders and will never vote for Hillary Clinton in the general election, no matter who her opponent is. The so-called "Bernie or Bust" crowd. That's me.

So, I'm really interested to know, are you in agreement with him on that point?

(p.s. I am probably voting for Bernie in the primary, if he's still competitive by the time it gets to my state. If not, I'll write in someone else - this is the primary we're talking about - as a way to express my true choice. But I will definitely be voting for the Democratic Party nominee in November, no matter how many internet trolls try to convince me she's a "republican" or somehow "no different than the republican" or "dishonest" or whatever bullshit lines they try.)

[GoneFishin]

26. You are wrong of course. But I would reconsider my position if you can show me one case where

Bernie advocated for industries that put women behind bars for profit like Hillary does with POC.

[MH1]

28. Not saying you shouldn't vote for Bernie in the primary. The putrid P.O.S. quoted in the OP

is talking about the GENERAL election.

Here is what is in the beginning of the article at the link in the OP:

Well, not me personally. His article was about people like me, though, who support Bernie Sanders and will never vote for Hillary Clinton in the general election, no matter who her opponent is. The so-called "Bernie or Bust" crowd. That's me.

I'll probably vote for Bernie in the primary, too.

BUT GODDAMN I AM FUCKING TIRED OF THE BULLSHIT TRYING TO TEAR DOWN CLINTON.

Is she the BEST Democrat? Not in my book. But to call her a republican and try to persuade people not to vote for her in the general election if she is the nominee just fucking pisses me off.

Yes that moron does not give a SHIT about women's rights because even if that were the ONLY thing that made Hillary better than the republican, in the general election it is a SUFFICIENT reason to vote for her and NOT try to defeat her and elect the republican instead, like that douchebag seems to be advocating.

[Loudestlib]

42. They rigged the game with the debate schedule. The head of the DNC is campaigning for a candidate in

You can't blame people for rightfully feeling disenfranchised.

[MH1]

47. True. And at this point I should back off, and let the emotions settle down a little.

Problem is, the author of the article in the OP probably isn't going to change his tune. He's made up his mind that he'll throw us all under the bus rather than dirty his pure little index finger with a vote for Hillary in November, no matter who the nominee is.

Funny thing is, Hillary was never my first choice either, and I also dislike the machinations of the DNC. But I've been in politics a long time and it's old news to me. I still hope Bernie can pull it out, because I think he should be better than Hillary as President. But I tend to think that it was always too long a putt for him coming from his history and where the majority of the country actually is politically.

[gollygee]

39. There are so many relatively new people who would never vote for Hillary

I'm starting to wonder if they're part of the Trump campaign.

I'm planning to vote for Bernie too, but this is ridiculous.

[MH1]

44. Thank you. To be honest, I know several diehard Bernie supporters IRL,

and every one of them would agree that the author of the article in the O.P. is a moron and a douchebag.

So it is rather interesting to see a relative concentration of that sentiment at DU. Hmmmm ...

[Jenny_92808]

32. If she wins,

I will vote for her because the alternative would be a nightmare!

We are still early in the process and I think Bernie will win and become our next President. Won't it be fun watching him running against Trump.

[Ferd Berfel]

34. K & R

[retrowire]

37. KnR for the best post ever. nt

[SoapBox]

41. K & R!

No More Goldwater Clintons.

[krawhitham]

45. I got no problems with #25

[SciDude]

46. I won't vote for another Clinton. Ever... n/t

[fierywoman]

48. lame duck

Trump would be a lame duck prez from day one. You think Obama had probs with Congress???? Thank you so much for putting these 25 ideas out there.

[PatrynXX]

52. and Hillary is a Conservative

good luck. She is a Republican thus I don't vote for Republicans every great once in awhile I bend it but usually locally

[Politicalboi]

55. It's her turn, and she has a D after her name

That's why they support her. She is just like the GOP but that doesn't matter, they seem to think us Bernie people will push her more left. I'd like to push her alright, but not to the left. Push her in jail where she belongs with her family.

[Hortensis]

56. I do not think you should vote for anyone.

[Trust Buster]

58. You might not vote Republican but you sure like using their shameful tactics.

[saturnsring]

59. Anyone who could possibly equate Clinton with Trump/Cruz/Rubio is not

Anyone who could possibly equate Clinton with Trump/Cruz/Rubio is not worth wasting time on.

jesus how pathetic

[RiverLover]

69. Endless war for oil, off shoring American jobs, h1 visas, unregulated

fracking, charter schools, high healthcare costs, low minimum wage, BigAg killing our ecosystem, wall street risking our economy by gambling with no risk with taxpayer money ready to bail them out, industry lobbyists in govt positions, corrupt campaign finance laws, etc

Republican or Hillary. Pick your poison.

[stonecutter357]

61. I don't vote for Republicans.

ever.

[Duppers]

63. +100

However, I will pull the lever for the lesser of two evils.

[Nye Bevan]

64. President Obama exemplifies the majority of those 25 statements.

For example, he supports free trade, supports the death penalty, and opposed marriage equality until 2012. Did you vote for him in the last election?

[ozone_man]

65. Be true to our principles.

Voting for one's principles is the best way in my opinion. Hillary has Republican values. I always make a vote of conscience.

[zentrum]

67. Bookmarking. Thnx!

[gollygee]

68. I'll be the "anyone but trump" voter pretty soon here. N/t

[MyNameGoesHere]

72. Oh my. Another SG post. eom

[Hiraeth]

74. because it's her turn. haven't you heard.

[tymorial]

76. lol

I so love sarcasm. You do realize though that Poe's law will kick in pretty soon and some will get offended by your statement.

[Hiraeth]

78. yeah. like Skinner said: ya take yer chances.

[dem in texas]

75. It's the Supreme Court - Stupid

the most important thing a president will do in the next term is appoint Supreme Court replacements. We have several justices who are ready to retire due to old age or poor health. All the things you list hinge on some ruling made by the Supreme court. Do you want another Scalia appointed to the bench? You can kiss the rights to an abortion goodbye! Look how may decisions have been handed down by the last court - Hobby Lobby, Citizens United, Lilly Ledbetter, deleting parts of the voting rights act, it goes on and on. Tomorrow, the court is scheduled to hear an appeal on closing most of the abortion clinics in Texas, with Scalia gone, the appeal has a better chance of pro-abortion ruling. It is so important to have to have a Democrat win the Presidency. I like what Bernie has to say and he is right in so many things, but I don't think he can win in the general election. In November, I will be voting Democrat and hope it is Hillary as I think she has the best chance of winning.

[Mira]

80. Thom Hartman just read most of this on the air n/t

[Gorgatron]

81. Yeah he did I tried calling in...

I didn't make it pass the call screener because I said I wanted to ask him about how he felt about the last point in the post. I was curious if he felt the same way as the author about Hillary exemplifying these points. Specifically, if there is any reason to think that she supported building a wall on the border. They told me his program is not the anti-Hillary show... But I wasn't trying to spin it in an anti-Hillary direction, was just genuinely curious.

O well, hope they don't think I'm an ass and block me from calling lol

[Orsino]

82. I would love to find a Republican candidate I could vote for...

...until I think about how shitty the Dem alternatives would have to be for that to happen.

[theSleeper]

83. True, but lets use widgets

So Hillary is part DINO. Concur, but...
Say a widget is anything related to entitlements, grants, insurance, programs, laws, legislation, money, wages, etc.
Bernie gets in, asks & fights for 20 widgets, some far fetched maybe, but gets half or 10 done... We all win.
Hillary gets in, strives for 10 widgets, gets 80% or '8'... We all win.
You don't vote (and we know thanks to suppression, electronic voting, etc. we need to have at least 8% more votes, maybe 10M)... Well, we don't get any widgets.
Then, God forbid, the the wrong side gets in. Not only do you receive NO widgets, but your last remaining old run down widgets may be taken away.
Paul Weyrich summed it up when he said he didn't want more people to vote. Because the minority (R) would win.
VOTE. Vote proudly. Vote for the Supreme Court. Vote swallowing your pride. Vote for your children and their children. Vote for the environment. Vote if you have to suck it up. Bring 2 people with you. Just VOTE.

[amborin]

84. K&R