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Tue Mar 1, 2016, 10:48 PM

 

Looks like Bernie's winning 4-5 states tonight (out of 11 total). That a VERY respectable showing.

These results are NOT a Clinton "mandate" for Hillary (or her supporters) to climb on
a high-horse and start demanding that Bernie "get out now".

That is total BULLSHIT. Don't buy into it for a second.

GO Bernie!!!!

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99th_Monkey Mar 2016 OP
bigtree Mar 2016 #1
morningfog Mar 2016 #3
SCantiGOP Mar 2016 #127
Optimism Mar 2016 #14
DJ13 Mar 2016 #35
drokhole Mar 2016 #129
DJ13 Mar 2016 #130
artislife Mar 2016 #48
Mira Mar 2016 #65
dchill Mar 2016 #70
thesquanderer Mar 2016 #79
dchill Mar 2016 #84
thesquanderer Mar 2016 #92
dchill Mar 2016 #94
thesquanderer Mar 2016 #97
creeksneakers2 Mar 2016 #71
John Poet Mar 2016 #115
LittleGirl Mar 2016 #122
silenttigersong Mar 2016 #123
Fronkonsteen Mar 2016 #33
tommcc99 Mar 2016 #49
JDPriestly Mar 2016 #50
Herman4747 Mar 2016 #61
JDPriestly Mar 2016 #100
gwheezie Mar 2016 #116
JDPriestly Mar 2016 #120
Duckfan Mar 2016 #90
bvf Mar 2016 #66
kath Mar 2016 #67
MrMickeysMom Mar 2016 #68
PatrynXX Mar 2016 #72
dchill Mar 2016 #75
George II Mar 2016 #80
retrowire Mar 2016 #83
delrem Mar 2016 #86
FarPoint Mar 2016 #102
warrprayer Mar 2016 #2
Cobalt Violet Mar 2016 #4
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2016 #5
Maedhros Mar 2016 #103
Rosa Luxemburg Mar 2016 #6
nc4bo Mar 2016 #7
notadmblnd Mar 2016 #81
yallerdawg Mar 2016 #8
jeff47 Mar 2016 #13
yallerdawg Mar 2016 #17
jeff47 Mar 2016 #20
yallerdawg Mar 2016 #22
jeff47 Mar 2016 #28
yallerdawg Mar 2016 #43
jeff47 Mar 2016 #56
yallerdawg Mar 2016 #62
jeff47 Mar 2016 #64
Aerows Mar 2016 #74
jeff47 Mar 2016 #82
artislife Mar 2016 #51
gcomeau Mar 2016 #40
yallerdawg Mar 2016 #53
gcomeau Mar 2016 #63
Gregorian Mar 2016 #9
yallerdawg Mar 2016 #23
rpannier Mar 2016 #41
hedda_foil Mar 2016 #60
HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #10
rpannier Mar 2016 #44
kristopher Mar 2016 #77
rpannier Mar 2016 #110
Optimism Mar 2016 #125
anotherproletariat Mar 2016 #11
tommcc99 Mar 2016 #57
calguy Mar 2016 #12
99th_Monkey Mar 2016 #16
rpannier Mar 2016 #47
TheFarseer Mar 2016 #15
99th_Monkey Mar 2016 #18
GoneFishin Mar 2016 #36
thesquanderer Mar 2016 #95
karynnj Mar 2016 #19
99th_Monkey Mar 2016 #21
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JDPriestly Mar 2016 #42
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Old Codger Mar 2016 #118
99th_Monkey Mar 2016 #121
Peace Patriot Mar 2016 #124
99th_Monkey Mar 2016 #128
Skid Rogue Mar 2016 #25
99th_Monkey Mar 2016 #30
tommcc99 Mar 2016 #58
Gene Debs Mar 2016 #26
Feeling the Bern Mar 2016 #31
TheDormouse Mar 2016 #32
99th_Monkey Mar 2016 #37
TheDormouse Mar 2016 #55
jmowreader Mar 2016 #76
thesquanderer Mar 2016 #88
JDPriestly Mar 2016 #34
EndElectoral Mar 2016 #45
Codeine Mar 2016 #85
madokie Mar 2016 #126
jalan48 Mar 2016 #38
99th_Monkey Mar 2016 #69
Beacool Mar 2016 #39
EndElectoral Mar 2016 #46
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reformist2 Mar 2016 #73
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99th_Monkey Mar 2016 #105
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99th_Monkey Mar 2016 #112
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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 10:48 PM

1. the delegate count for Hillary is devastating to his campaign

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Response to bigtree (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 10:49 PM

3. It could get there one day, but it won't be tonight.

 

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Response to bigtree (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:03 PM

14. Super-establishment-delegates.

CNN and their bullshit inclusion of Superdelegates when they show the delegate total graphic. All in hopes of making it appear there's been some sort of massive blowout tonight. There hasn't been! Don't be discouraged Bernie supporters! Not to diss all those Southern states Hillary won, but those are highly unlikely to vote for the Democrat in November. Oklahoma (which also dislikes Trump) DOES like Bernie. Crossover appeal. But the BIG news is Bernie's results in MN and CO. Not to mention the tie in MA !

Time for yet another donation to Sander's campaign. ENCOURAGEMENT! OPTIMISM !!

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Response to Optimism (Reply #14)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:26 PM

35. You are right, its bullshit

Welcome to DU!

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Response to DJ13 (Reply #35)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 10:18 PM

129. Yeah, Google's doing it too, and it reminded me of an article...

...about how they could sway the election for Hilary (from Aeon):

Looking ahead to the November 2016 US presidential election, I see clear signs that Google is backing Hillary Clinton. In April 2015, Clinton hired Stephanie Hannon away from Google to be her chief technology officer and, a few months ago, Eric Schmidt, chairman of the holding company that controls Google, set up a semi-secret company – The Groundwork – for the specific purpose of putting Clinton in office. The formation of The Groundwork prompted Julian Assange, founder of Wikileaks, to dub Google Clinton’s ‘secret weapon’ in her quest for the US presidency.

We now estimate that Hannon’s old friends have the power to drive between 2.6 and 10.4 million votes to Clinton on election day with no one knowing that this is occurring and without leaving a paper trail. They can also help her win the nomination, of course, by influencing undecided voters during the primaries. Swing voters have always been the key to winning elections, and there has never been a more powerful, efficient or inexpensive way to sway them than SEME ('Search Engine Manipulation Effect').

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Response to drokhole (Reply #129)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 10:33 PM

130. Thats frightening

But nothing about Hillary and satisfying her ambition surprises me anymore.

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Response to Optimism (Reply #14)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:33 PM

48. True.

 

I am loving how the counties broke down in all the states. There were a lot more Bernie supporters across board than camp weathervane was counting on. And look where Bernie has strong numbers. Then compare to how many republicans voted.

If she is the nominee, she better get better at reaching across a lot of tables or she will be very sad in November

But what the Hell, I am very happy with the results. Would have loved to have add the MA as a win, but we showed up in very close numbers there. Bernie got delegates in every state....it looks like h didn't get any in Vermont. That is the last I saw, who know if it has changed.

And I am not counting superdelegates until convention. That's when they cast their votes.

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Response to Optimism (Reply #14)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:51 PM

65. Seconded and also

welcome to DU.

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Response to Optimism (Reply #14)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:54 PM

70. I don't remember the Superdelegate meme in 2008.

Anybody?

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Response to dchill (Reply #70)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:05 AM

79. It was a big issue in 2008

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #79)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:07 AM

84. Yes, at the end.

I don't remember them being added to the count from the get-go.

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Response to dchill (Reply #84)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:13 AM

92. I'm not sure what various media was reporting...

...but the link I posted showed that there were issues about them even about as early in the process as we are today.

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #92)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:16 AM

94. Well, there were more candidates to split...

them between, so it wouldn't have been such a seemingly deciding factor.

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Response to dchill (Reply #94)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:17 AM

97. True, yet the article shows BO and HRC at the center of the SD battle in Feb (n/t)

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Response to Optimism (Reply #14)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:55 PM

71. How did Bernie win OK?

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Response to Optimism (Reply #14)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 01:06 AM

115. MSNBC did the same thing, adding unpledged superdelegates

 

who had endorsed Hillary into the delegate totals, clearly misrepresenting the delegate results of actual voting. The networks all have their favorite in this.




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Response to John Poet (Reply #115)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 01:28 AM

122. Copied to my computer

thanks for sharing. love that.

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Response to John Poet (Reply #115)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 01:41 AM

123. Okay


Thats funny ,be carefull....

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Response to bigtree (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:24 PM

33. lol, Nice try, littletwig.

 

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Response to bigtree (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:33 PM

49. Ignore.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:34 PM

50. Actually, not at all.

California has 546 votes or delegates and will go big-time for Bernie.

I'm out campaigning on the street here and people really like Bernie. I've campaigned in a lot of elections, and I have never seen anything like the enthusiasm for Bernie in California. It is incredible.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #50)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:43 PM

61. To be sure, I hope what you suspect is true...

 

...however, it should be noted that California went for Hillary in 2008.

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Response to Herman4747 (Reply #61)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:35 AM

100. Bernie wasn't running, and the economy had not yet fallen apart.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #100)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 01:08 AM

116. The economy had fallen apart

The economy is pretty strong right now when you compare it to the rest of the world.

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Response to gwheezie (Reply #116)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 01:21 AM

120. The economy had fallen apart but the media and the public did not realize it fully until

the Fall of 2008 after the primaries had been held.

The economy is stronger now than it was in 2009-2011, but it isn't good. Most of the financial gain from the wonderful technology we have goes to the top 1% of our population. Listen to Bernie!

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #50)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:12 AM

90. If You're in the Bay Area or L.A. yeah. Bernie terrority.

But the Central Valley may be a different story.

Emphasis on "maybe".

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Response to bigtree (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:51 PM

66. We see what you did there.

 

Gold star. Have mom put it on the fridge for you.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:52 PM

67. ...



My, spinning like the Tazmanian Devil tonight, are we?

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Response to bigtree (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:54 PM

68. Actually, it's not... It was expected to be less...

I know you don't follow the threads that talk about this, so consider this a reminder that we do discuss things like this, right along with the issues.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:55 PM

72. less than 200 difference real devistating lol

alot of Bernie friendly states coming up too. ie Union territories not Confederate states

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Response to bigtree (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:57 PM

75. I think the delegate count for Hillary is devastating to HER campaign...

going forward from here.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:05 AM

80. She's now leading by more than 200 delegates, with no Sanders "firewall" in sight.

Outside of Maine, it doesn't look like he's close to a win in the remaining 35 states. No "path to victory".

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Response to bigtree (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:07 AM

83. but only 24% of all delegates have been distributed thus far.

Pwease mr bigtree, expwain to us childwen how da hell dats devashtating to buhnies campaign???

keep wishing us away! lalalala

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Response to bigtree (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:09 AM

86. Ah yes, our Martin O'Malley supporter ventures his opinion again.

Martin who?

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Response to bigtree (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:39 AM

102. Reality bites...

Respect is fine...but it's not a primary point for the Game of Thrones.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 10:49 PM

2. Kick and rec

Go Bernie!

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 10:51 PM

4. Gee I thought he was suppose to only win VT?

I keep hearing that for days now. He is doing great!

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 10:53 PM

5. Yes it's a great moral victory

He gets an B for effort

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:43 AM

103. If you can't see that Bernie Sanders has run an A+ campaign, you're blind.

 

You may not like the man, but you have to give him credit for the thousands of people he's mobilized and his nothing short of phenomenal fund raising.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 10:53 PM

6. It looks good!

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 10:55 PM

7. The ones demanding can all have some pie too!

Fresh!

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #7)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:05 AM

81. You know what that pie had in it don't you?

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 10:56 PM

8. It's not about states.

It's about party delegates.

Clinton 841. Sanders 237. http://www.cbsnews.com/elections/2016/primaries/

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #8)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:00 PM

13. Now try one that doesn't count superdelegates.

Since their votes are not "locked in".

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #13)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:08 PM

17. Don't count all the votes!

Where have I heard that before?

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #17)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:11 PM

20. You can count them when they are actually cast.

They have not been cast yet, and they have changed in every single primary since superdelegates were created.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #20)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:15 PM

22. These primaries are selecting delegates to go to the convention.

So you're saying we shouldn't count any votes, since none have been cast?

Or just the ones you don't want to count.

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #22)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:21 PM

28. :facepalm:

Dear god that has to be one of the least-aware posts this primary season.

Pledged delegates are required to vote for one particular candidate. So we know which candidate they will be voting for at the convention. Because they have no choice. These primaries and caucuses are selecting pledged delegates (indirectly).

Superdelegates still have a choice until their vote is actually cast. And in every. single. primary since superdelegates were created, they have changed their votes.

For example, John Lewis said he'd vote for Clinton in 2008. He voted for Obama after Obama won his district. Superdelegates will be making the same political calculus at the convention this year.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #28)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:31 PM

43. Some superdelegates have changed their vote.

Therefore, we don't count them.

Except, everyone else counts them!

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #43)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:36 PM

56. No, they are suddenly being counted this year.

Every previous year, the media did not include superdelegates in delegate tallies. Suddenly, they are including superdelegates. Golly, I wonder why?

You can be sure NH's superdelegates are going to feel enormous pressure to change their vote by the convention. And after tonight, so are CO, VT and MN's.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #56)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:45 PM

62. How many votes do you need to win the party primary?

2,382. A number similar to all the recent primaries!

So let's not count the total votes until we get to the convention.

That's the plan. That's the rationalization.

OK.

No matter how many votes Hillary accumulates, it won't meet your "special Hillary standard."

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #62)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:48 PM

64. 80% of the unpledged delegates are still to be decided.

And the primary calendar is South heavy at first. Southerners are more conservative, even the Democrats. Today and next week should be the best environment for Clinton.

And she did not get a "knock-out" tonight, since Sanders won where he was expected to lose.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #56)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:56 PM

74. I thought Bernie won OK, too

 

At least that is what the news was saying here.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #74)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:06 AM

82. He did, I just don't know how their superdelegates have pledged. (nt)

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #17)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:34 PM

51. It is March 1st, silly. nt

 

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #8)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:29 PM

40. Superdelegates. Aren't. Pledged. Until. Convention.

 

How fucking hard is that to comprehend? No matter what they say now who they are supporting is indeterminate until the convention. Period.

Did 2008 teach you nothing?

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Response to gcomeau (Reply #40)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:35 PM

53. It taught us superdelegates follow the fucking primary vote.

Obama didn't steal the nomination.

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #53)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:47 PM

63. Almost there...

 

It taught us superdelegates follow the *overall* primary vote.

As in, whoever wins the most pledged delegate wins. And the Superdelegates will realign their support *however is necessary* to confirm that outcome.

So talking about any candidate having any superdelegate locked up when the primary isn't even half over is monumentally stupid. Because they don't.



(And of course he didn't steal it, wtf are you talking about?)

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 10:57 PM

9. Plus some of the states Hillary won are going to a republican in the general election.

That doesn't bode well for her, or I should say us. But that hasn't happened yet.

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Response to Gregorian (Reply #9)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:16 PM

23. Bernie won Oklahoma?

Should we count that? Been Republican for decades.

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #23)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:31 PM

41. Kind of my feeling on the whole thing

Winning SC, Oklahoma, Texas and others, while important in the primary, will mean very little in the GE
And no, I do not believe that having Castro as veep will make Texas competitive or force the Republicans to spend more money there
We've been hearing that about Governor's races and other races in Texas for the last 10 years or so and it never happens

Clinton or Sanders same electoral result

South Carolina, Georgia gonna go Republican by 6+ (likely more)

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Response to Gregorian (Reply #9)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:39 PM

60. Not just some of the state's. Except for her MA squeaker, all her wins are in red states.

Basically, she's sweeping the Confederacy. That's because the Democrats in those states are predominantly majority AA and they have been overwhelmingly loyal to Secretary Clinton. Unfortunately, the states themselves are overwhelmingly Republican.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 10:58 PM

10. It looks like he may take Democrats abroad (votes coming in another week).

 

I think Clinton took American Samoa caucus.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #10)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:32 PM

44. Samoa went Clinton

Dems Abroad will likely go Sanders
Would be a minor miracle if he didn't win Democrats Abroad

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Response to rpannier (Reply #44)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:00 AM

77. Speaking of Samoa...


Polynesian-Caucasian, Tulsi was born in 1981 in Leloaloa, American Samoa, the fourth of five children born to Carol and State Senator Mike Gabbard. When Tulsi was two, the family moved to Hawaiʻi, where they first settled in Wahiawa on Royal Palm Drive, where Tulsi’s sister, Vrindavan, the family’s youngest, was born...
https://www.votetulsi.com/tulsi-gabbard

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Response to kristopher (Reply #77)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:52 AM

110. Very interesting

Thank you for sharing

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Response to kristopher (Reply #77)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:48 AM

125. Tulsi is quite well spoken ...

... and very telegenic. A very positive face for the Sanders campaign, and she was extremely eloquent tonight when speaking of the need for a President that does NOT believe in 'regime change' and the carnage that always ensues. Not just in Iraq and Libya, but also looking forward in Syria. She's seen what war has done to her brothers and sisters in arms (two deployments, I believe) and she does NOT want Hillary to be the nominee. She's the most calm and measured in Bernie's camp, and looks to be becoming the go-to spokesperson for these talking heads shows.

Hell, I know it's still early in the game, but if Bernie were to somehow (SOONER rather than later) announce her as his preferred Veep choice (assuming Warren declines) ... it could well take the wind out of Hillary's sails at this crucial time. The more women to choose from on national tickets, the better. Especially when crucial matters of war and peace are on the line. Plus hey ... another mixed-race leader from Hawaii ... what's not to love?! Maybe just that alone would be reason enough for the hoped for Obama endorsement!

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 10:59 PM

11. Congratulation to the Bernie supporters, your candidate gave a strong showing today! nt

 

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Response to anotherproletariat (Reply #11)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:37 PM

57. Thanks.

Your a class act.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:00 PM

12. Very respectable but....

Not even close to competing for a nomination that is slipping away.

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Response to calguy (Reply #12)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:07 PM

16. Things are looking UP for Bernie from here on in.

 

Hillarians and TV pundits were peddling the bullshit that "Bernie will only
win VT, and that's about it"

Bernie is winning at least 4, maybe 5, out of 11.

Not bad for someone polling at 3% nationally just 9 months ago,
no matter how you want to parse it.

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Response to calguy (Reply #12)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:33 PM

47. Stay in. Stay fighting

Get that 25+% of the delegates and make some noise on the platform committee

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:05 PM

15. If it would have been the Big Sky primary

instead of the SEC primary, the results would be as lopsided for Bernie. Too bad they'll call Minnesota and Colorado after most people go to bed. Have to be honest, I'm disappointed if Mass holds up for Clinton.

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Response to TheFarseer (Reply #15)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:10 PM

18. Yes, I hope Bernie wins Mass. as well.

 

but MSNBC just called if for Hillary

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #18)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:28 PM

36. Sorry about this. Some people don't like to consider this

but I have been watching the Mass returns since both Bernie and Hillary were near 100,000 votes each, but with Hillary ahead by about 22,000. Now, both are in the 500,000 range and the gap is about the same. I watched each time the returns came in, and the gap between them didn't vary much the entire time. What are the odds that Hillary's 22,000 vote lead would be compressed into the very first 20% reported, but for the next 80% that reported Bernie and Hillary would have almost the exact equal count of votes? It seems unnatural.

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Response to GoneFishin (Reply #36)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:16 AM

95. It also depends on which regions are reporting

I don't know what this will look like by the time you see it, but...

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2016/primaries/2016-03-01#MA-Dem

a lot of the unreported regions are (based on surrounding precincts) likely to go for Bernie. But they are calling it for Hillary, so I guess the population of the unreported areas is smaller.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:11 PM

19. Not to mention, there are a lot of states similar to Colorado that have yet to have their contests

while the south where Hillary has won the bulk of her delegates.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #19)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:12 PM

21. I'm in Blue Oregon, and we're feeling the Bern here.

 

I think he'll win it decisively here.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #21)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:16 PM

24. My Washington state daughter says the same of her state

It is ridiculous how distorted the emphasis on the southern states - which we never win in the general election - is. So many of these were frontloaded. Bernie today noted that 15 states were done -- 35 are left.

I think HRC is the more likely nominee, but it is still possible that she could lose.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #24)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:21 PM

27. Yep

 

she could lose.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #24)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:21 PM

29. That's the whole purpose behind Super Tuesday

 

to give the most conservative states (okay, not Mass. ) an outsized voice in the process, so that insurgents like Bernie can't build on wins in Iowa and/or NH.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #24)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:31 PM

42. Hillary is not doing well in the Northern states that actually vote Democratic in presidential

elections.

Here is a map of how states vote in presidential elections.

http://www.270towin.com/historical-presidential-elections/

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #42)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:36 PM

54. Yup. nt

 

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #21)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 01:12 AM

118. It will be nice

 

To actually possibly have some impact on the primary, usually over by the time we have ours.

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Response to Old Codger (Reply #118)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 01:22 AM

121. Yep. I'm glad we have primaries by state

 

but I think there needs to be a lottery each election year to decide which states
get to go first, middle and last. That would be so much more fair for all regions.

I hate the Eastern state's always telling the Western states who's "going to win"
and/or who we "get to" vote for.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #121)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 01:56 AM

124. That's a very good idea!

Maybe after we demote you-know-who, we can push that with the DNC, or maybe as a Democratic Party platform item. I frankly can't remember how this odd stackup of red states first happened. I think it happened over a long period of time, with states jockeying for position. I can't even think right now WHO decides the order of states. I recall a bunch of fights about it in the...90s? The state legislatures? Constitution says states have control over election rules. So it must be up to each state, in agreement with the political parties. But it could be a platform item as a policy goal in the states, to do a lottery, or some fairer system. I'm in California and I'm sick and tried of being told who our nominee is before I get to vote.

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Response to Peace Patriot (Reply #124)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 01:04 PM

128. i too vaguely recall the kerfuffle over ordering of primaries

 

but am fuzzy on the details. As I recall it was quite a can of worms
that calmer heads never wanted to open up again, because it became
so contentious, involving states v. federal power, etc.

Given Bernie's fiery commitment to increase voter participation,
I could see him supporting some constructive changes in this
regard when he's in the WH.

Here is a proposal by the National Association of Secretaries of State:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotating_Regional_Primary_System

The Rotating Regional Primary System is a proposed system for reform of the United States presidential primary process, in which the country would be divided into four regions for primary elections. The plan has been promoted since 1999 by the National Association of Secretaries of State.[1]

The plan provides that the individual state primaries (or caucuses) would be grouped into 4 regions, each region voting in a different month--either March, April, May or June. Individual states in a region would vote on or soon after the first Tuesday of their month, though not necessarily on the same day. The first year, the order would be determined by lottery, and subsequently rotate for each election.

To continue traditional early primaries in Iowa and New Hampshire, they would be permitted to hold their primaries or caucus before any of the regions.


It calls for a lottery of states to determine the ordering of the states
within each region. It's apparently been 'on the table' since 1999.
fascinating stuff.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:18 PM

25. Great Job, Bernie!!!!

He honestly did better than I thought he would. I'm happy for you guys and I'm glad he's in the race. Great Job!!!!!!

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Response to Skid Rogue (Reply #25)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:21 PM

30. Thank you. nt

 

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Response to Skid Rogue (Reply #25)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:38 PM

58. Thanks.

This is how its done

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:18 PM

26. Besides, the Bernier states are still to come.

 

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:23 PM

31. WC Fields: Anyone who hates dogs and children can't be all bad

 

How do I like my children? Barbecued!

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:23 PM

32. does Texas allot delegates proportionally or winner-takes-all for Dems? nt

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #32)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:28 PM

37. i think all states in Dem Primary are proportional ..

 

don't recall where I heard that, so can't verify.

Anyone else know for sure?

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #37)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:36 PM

55. that's what I thought too, but looking for confirmation nt

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #32)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:59 PM

76. All Democratic primaries and caucuses are proportional

Republican primaries are winner-take-all.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #76)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:10 AM

88. Republican primaries are a mix, with various convoluted permutations. (n/t)

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:25 PM

34. Bernie did extremely well. Did anyone think he would win one of the Southern states?

Virginia was a possibility but lots of people working for the current administration work there.

Bernie won the majority of Northern states plus Oklahoma and Looks like maybe Colorado also. Great work.

Minnesota is not completely in yet is it? I counted that for Bernie based on the results I have seen.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #34)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:33 PM

45. Was surprised he won OK so easily, but dissapointed he lost by about 2.5% in MA.

But now the race starts. There is Florida he'll most likely lose, but then a lot more northern and western states.

The Massachusetts loss stings a bit, but the vote is proportioned so there's very little difference in delegate apportionment there. I thought Massachusetts voters were a bit more progressive, but they chose the conservative hawk tonight. So be it. On to the next group. Glad we're through most of the confederacy.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #34)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:08 AM

85. When I was a kid in OK half my relatives insisted it wasn't a Southern state

 

but rather Midwestern. The other half haughtily proclaimed themselves proud Southerners.

I just thought it was a swampy dump with too many water moccasins and snapping turtles trying to get at my little ankles.

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Response to Codeine (Reply #85)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 03:07 AM

126. I used to think we were mid western

then I joined the navy and man o man did I ever talk like the southerners so my impression of the state from then going forward was we are southern.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:28 PM

38. Let's see how it goes now that the more progressive states are coming up.

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #38)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:54 PM

69. Yeppers. Roger that. nt

 

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:28 PM

39. Sanders should stay until he wishes to stay.

Although, he'll be far behind in pledged delegates when all is said and done.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #39)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:33 PM

46. So was Obama and he came back strong.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #39)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:14 AM

93. Fail

Most forecasts show that the momentum will massively shift to Sanders after March 15th.

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Response to Jtrupin123 (Reply #93)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 01:06 AM

114. How so?

She's polling ahead in all March 15 states and predicted to win them by the 538: FL, IL, NC and OH. She's also ahead in MI. There are a lot of delegates in those states. She'll win NY, is polling well in PA (which she won in 2008 by almost 10%) and will probably do well in MD too.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #39)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:54 AM

111. Which means nothing at this point. eom

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:35 PM

52. Bernie needed 126 delegate pickup... is on target for 189! Great Results!!!

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Response to Kip Humphrey (Reply #52)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:55 PM

73. Wow. That's great news!!!

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Response to Kip Humphrey (Reply #52)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:48 AM

108. What do you mean, he needed 126 delegates? Based on what?

 

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:39 PM

59. And as soon as Camp Weathervane starts yakking...

The donations will be pouring in for Bernie.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:03 AM

78. Four, and one has to win more than one-third of the states, and some BIG states, to win....

...the nomination.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:09 AM

87. Totally agree! Great showing for an insurgent candidate...

...and, by God, done with no corporate/bankster money, & no superpacs--a virtually unknown US senator (black-holed by the corpo-fascist media, who are still trying their best to bury him), with only 3% support 9 months ago!

Now he's beating Trump by 12 pts in national polls. Clinton does only half as well and she loses to Cruz & Rubio. Sanders beats them all!

He could win this nomination if more of the superdelegates decide to go with the best candidate! That CAN happen now. I was a bit worried about all those wrong polls and the "narrative" spun around them. I think I'll stop worrying about David Brock's "narratives."

for Bernie Sanders and for all of us, and especially for Sanders volunteers in ALL of today's states!

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:11 AM

89. Awesome showing for Bernie!

 

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:12 AM

91. I don't buy into it for goddamn one minute..

If she didn't have Wassermann-Schultz to rig the system in her favor it would be a whole different story. I hope Wassermann-Schultz will see the same fate as Lee Atwater.

Go Bernie and go get 'em Tulsi Gabbard!

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:17 AM

96. agreed. Not bad at all.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:19 AM

98. Sanders did better in blue states. Clinton did better in red (read: conservative) states.

Things that make you go 'hmmm.'

Clinton squeaked one out in Massachusetts and took the recently purple-ish Virginia.

Sanders took the purpe-ish Colorado, along with the Minnesota and of course his home state of Vermont.

Curiously, Clinton took all of the red states except for Oklahoma. I'm pretty sure Clinton isn't going to be swinging any of those red states around come Nov. 2016.

You'd think Clinton as a moderate would appeal to independents, but looking at the numbers they don't trust her and would probably only vote for her to avoid a Trump presidency. That's not a good reason to nominate her though. Nominate someone who inspires! Nominate someone who gives a damn about someone other than themselves.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:30 AM

99. Seems like she dominates in the deep south.

 

Hey... maybe she IS really still a "Goldwater Girl."

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:37 AM

101. My mistake it is only republican tonight

 

I hate it when states do that

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #101)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:44 AM

105. Geez, I totally forgot about AK

 

seems like the M$M did too.

Hey where are you seeing the results??

Seems the NYTimes forgot about AK too, as it's not on their website of primaries.
http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #105)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:47 AM

107. It is only the R side of the house

 

Guardian clarified that oopsie moment for me

I hate it when states do that.

And the NYT forgot it as well, for the dems, It is for the Rs

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #107)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:57 AM

112. got it. thanks. nt

 

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:43 AM

104. You are right, it is a good showing. Congratulations to Sanders and his supporters for

CO, Minnesota, and Oklahoma. Those are good solid states from different regions of the country. This will continue, no one is going away

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Response to still_one (Reply #104)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:46 AM

106. Thank you for your civil and respectful congrats

 

same to you guy on your wins tonight... gotcha lotsa delegates. well done.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #106)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:49 AM

109. Believe me, the Sanders' wins tonight threw a lot of us off balance

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Response to still_one (Reply #109)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:59 AM

113. I am not surprised this remained competitive

 

and I said as much yesterday.

And personally I am happy as punch. I like competitive primaries.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 01:10 AM

117. I only *hoped* he might get 3, so yes-- great showing.

 

Super Tuesday was always Hillary's advantage. Sanders is doing surprisingly well here. Should be interesting as this thing goes forward.

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Response to Marr (Reply #117)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 01:16 AM

119. Yes, maybe they'll buy their own spin. .. would be nice.

 

oh.. speaking of champaign ... just for tonight .. maybe we Bernistas
deserve a glass or two. It was an awesome night, here's to many more
wins down the road.

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