MASS now 50-49, 12:45est

[Kittycat]

As final votes come in, I noticed MA just adjusted to 50-49. This is probably why they weren't sure who to call it for. There are still some pcts out. Nail biter for sure.

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results

[revbones]

1. The extra closeness is due to rounding

If you hover over the map you'll see it's 48.5% to 50.3% so the rounding is shaving almost an extra percentage point off making it look like 1% instead of nearly 2% but still incredibly close.

[Barack_America]

3. The actual vote difference is 20,500.

And I hate to say it, but, with over 1 million ballots casts, how many provisionals might be out there?

I'll be checking in on this one until it's certified. Fascinating.

[revbones]

6. Yep. Be interesting to see the final numbers n/t

[Dem2]

2. MSNBC show 100% in

Same: 50-49

[Kittycat]

5. They had 100% in with greater margins earlier

I think they're adjusting it finalizing counts now.

[Dem2]

8. I noted it was either 99 or 100% in @ 51-48 earlier

yes, you are correct.

[artislife]

4. What impact did Bill have at the polling station?

This isn't Haiti.


Or are we allowed to mention Haiti and the Clintons in the same post here?

[Kittycat]

7. I saw that.

Several videos of him in and around the polls. Some greeting, some full on campaigning. It was terrible, but the worst was blocking voter access.

[azurnoir]

12. Is that legal in MA?

[HooptieWagon]

24. No. Probably not legal anywhere.

[azurnoir]

30. If so we not have heard the last of this

[alcibiades_mystery]

9. The TOTAL votes in New Bedford are about 8,000 less than margin

and Hillary won New Bedford by 10 points.

Bill probably did y'all a favor, as dumb as his actions were.

[Kittycat]

10. He didn't do voters a favor.

Or do they not matter?

[alcibiades_mystery]

13. Oh for goodness sake

of course not. Can we not have a polite conversation about facts?

Bill Clinton is a dipshit. I don't know the full story but he apparently caused some delay in voting in New Bedford. But he didn't delay 20,000 Sanders voters at a single polling place, in an area that had 11,500 votes total, and in an area that Hillary won by 10 points. Right? That's not a plausible charge, right? Twenty thousand voters would have come through the ONE polling place in that 2 hours, and they all would have gone to Bernie, bucking the 55-44 Hillary trend of the area? Right?

[Kittycat]

15. Please re-read post 7. Then your post.

[alcibiades_mystery]

16. Please read your own post about impact

which is what I was answering.

Let's stipulate that delaying voters in any manner is terrible. He still didn't delay 20,000 Bernie voters in New Bedford, as that's impossible. And that seemed to be your initial question.

[Kittycat]

28. I never mentioned a candidate

I said it was terrible campaigning and worse, blocking voter access. Also, he stopped at several locations, so traffic and access was reportedly tied up not just at the polling locations, but around town.

I do agree with your assessment on him. Someone on the campaign should try to find a way to reel him in. Regardless, his actions impacted the process not just for one side, but for all sides. It's not about 20k votes, it's about an individual's right to vote.

[alcibiades_mystery]

31. Oh, I'm sorry

In a post about a close election, when somebody asks about impact, I assume they're referring to impact on the election results, not traffic conditions and individual votes.

I apologize for my assumption, which made an ass out of me.

Have a nice evening.

[Kittycat]

32. It's late :)

Have a good evening, as well.

[artislife]

14. Dumb? Don't you mean illegal?

Kind of an M.O. for those two...not quite understanding some of the protocols of their jobs or voting.

[Ken Burch]

20. Not sure if he could get to enough polling stations to affect an entire 2% of the popular vote.

More likely it was the Dem establishment calling in a ton of favors that put HRC just barely over the top.

[artislife]

29. I am pointing out the sliminess of his actions more than

the impact on a whole state. He is no Jimmy Carter in regards to making sure there are fair and free elections.

[Ken Burch]

34. Agreed. n/t.

[NWCorona]

11. Not sure how accurate this link is

But it still has counties listed open with a little over 95% reporting.
https://apps.bostonglobe.com/election-results/2016/primary/democratic/massachusetts/

[Kittycat]

17. Thanks.

Appreciate the link.

[NWCorona]

18. No problem!

[alcibiades_mystery]

19. The margin is 21,000

There are literally not 21,000 votes out there total, much less possibilities to make up a 21,000 vote margin.

Even if Bernie won every single remaining vote, he'd still be about 15,000 short or more.

[Barack_America]

21. Provisionals

[alcibiades_mystery]

23. Good luck

[Barack_America]

27. I'm just saying they're out there.

Over 1 million votes cast. There are going to be a significant number of provisionals. I have no idea how they would break, but I don't think this one is over even after 100% report.

[NWCorona]

25. I'm not 100 on how provisional ballots work in regards to this count

Are they counted after the polls close but before certified?

[NWCorona]

22. I'm not saying that he could close the gap.

[alcibiades_mystery]

26. Maybe there's more in Chicopee

7,000? Would probably add to Clinton's lead, though.

[SheenaR]

33. All that matters

45-43 in delegates right now. There's that devastating crushing loss I've Been hearing about.

[merrily]

35. Almost every politician and paper in Massachusetts endorsed her, too. Bernie v. The Machine

Congrats, Bernie!