2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie supporters: What should be our one big message for today?
What should be our one big message for the day after Super Tuesday?
Bonus: Give 2 or 3 messages for today instead of just 1.
Trying to think of some good messages for today to help spread these messages.
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)narnian60
(3,510 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)And a lot of it is Bernie country. The South was never gonna break our way, but the rest of the country has a strong chance of feeling the Bern!
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)We could do better in the north and west.
It's true the south was difficult territory but I don't want to bog down in analyzing the reasons. More important to focus on the next states and keep rolling.
MgtPA
(1,022 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Bernie is committed to carrying his message into the convention
MgtPA
(1,022 posts)Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)This changes nothing so GET TO WORK!
The vast majority of states that vote after March 15 will vote Bernie.
There's still California.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Bernie supporters across the country should be working to keep him viable until maybe the west coast can put him over the top.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)call democracy and cast our vote before a winner is declared.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)truedelphi
(32,324 posts)When the "label Monsanto" food labelling initiative was on the ballot, the "win" for Mosnanto was announced before one million votes were counted.
And that is just the norm!
There are 67 Registrar of Voters - one for each county. I know of one and only one that is honest. (But gosh, oh gee, so many of them are so personable!)
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)Kenjie
(122 posts)1. Bernie Polls better against republicans and is therefore more electable in a General Election ( I wish Bernie and his surrogates would say this much more often than they do!)
2. Its go time! We need to continue donating, phone banking, canvassing and talking up our candidate to family and friends and bring the win home.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)So let's get to work and stay on track.
Thank you these are great.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)Hell, going by prole bread and circus statistics, the Away team just kicked the opening kickoff, and we've got two quarters till even the egregiously planned half-time show.
The only thing I ask for is civility where possible, and derision where needed.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Good 1 thanks
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)Half-time ain't even close yet.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)for territories/expats, so that's a real ballpark estimate.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)I'm not an analyst, after all, I'm just a grunt by day, and musician by night.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)Xipe Totec
(43,889 posts)THIS I beheld, or dreamed it in a dream:--
There spread a cloud of dust along a plain;
And underneath the cloud, or in it, raged
A furious battle, and men yelled, and swords
Shocked upon swords and shields. A prince's banner
Wavered, then staggered backward, hemmed by foes.
A craven hung along the battle's edge,
And thought, "Had I a sword of keener steel--
That blue blade that the king's son bears, -- but this
Blunt thing--!" he snapped and flung it from his hand,
And lowering crept away and left the field.
Then came the king's son, wounded, sore bestead,
And weaponless, and saw the broken sword,
Hilt-buried in the dry and trodden sand,
And ran and snatched it, and with battle shout
Lifted afresh he hewed his enemy down,
And saved a great cause that heroic day.
Read more at http://www.poetry-archive.com/s/opportunity.html#IeBJ7uXDby0V4fe4.99
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)marions ghost
(19,841 posts)& do it with a smile
casperthegm
(643 posts)The map for Super Tuesday didn't do Sanders any favors. It's much better going forward. All we have to do is keep pushing to get Bernie's message out there and contrast him with Hillary. I mean the contrast on the issues is night and day; Sanders is on the winning side of just about every major decision or view vs Clinton. And when it comes to integrity, game over. We just have to keep working to spread the word and push back on the artful smear from Clinton.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)pengu
(462 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)We are the underdogs. But we're in it to win it.
thanks
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marions ghost
(19,841 posts)Does not help with Southern States and is inaccurate --offensive to the many AA supporters of Hillary.
I realize it's a convenient term, but Bernie supporters have got to be above South-bashing.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)marions ghost
(19,841 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)I also keep hearing some say we don't win those votes in the general election, so their primary votes don't count.
But that's not what the primary is intended to measure so it rings false to me. I wouldn't go with that message.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)Anything could happen right now.
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)This isn't over yet, far from it.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)Beyond the horizon of the place we lived when we were young
In a world of magnets and miracles
Our thoughts strayed constantly and without boundary
The ringing of the division bell had begun
Along the Long Road and on down the Causeway
Do they still meet there by the Cut
There was a ragged band that followed in our footsteps
Running before time took our dreams away
Leaving the myriad small creatures trying to tie us to the ground
To a life consumed by slow decay
The grass was greener
The light was brighter
With friends surrounded
The nights of wonder
Looking beyond the embers of bridges glowing behind us
To a glimpse of how green it was on the other side
Steps taken forwards but sleepwalking back again
Dragged by the force of some inner tide
At a higher altitude with flag unfurled
We reached the dizzy heights of that dreamed of world
Encumbered forever by desire and ambition
There's a hunger still unsatisfied
Our weary eyes still stray to the horizon
Though down this road we've been so many times
The grass was greener
The light was brighter
The taste was sweeter
The nights of wonder
With friends surrounded
The dawn mist glowing
The water flowing
The endless river
Forever and ever
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)Thanks for this lyric display. I've heard the song so many times I know it word for word, this will give the person who hasn't heard the song or doesn't pay attention to the lyric the opportunity to understand what I was trying to portray. Thanks again!
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)"the ringing of the division bell" ...."sleepwalking back again"... luv PF & david Gilmour
Thank you for posting it--speaks to the heart. And we need some of that right now...
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Still the vast majority left to go.
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)So onward and upward!
Armstead
(47,803 posts)My big fear is that the election is going to devolve into the usual Democratic Tapioca of nothing, nothing and more nothing if Clinton is the nominee.
No discussion of any of the issues that are vital. And endless repetition of the "Everything would be great if it weren't for the Republicans."
And if Trump is the GOP nominee, The Democrats will be running against a Populist who will genrate excitement among many voters.
Win ior lose, Bernie needs to continue to fight for Progressive and Liberal positions and agenda.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Last edited Wed Mar 2, 2016, 01:07 PM - Edit history (1)
And policy differences between Clinton and Sanders...these are still hugely important.
Great messages. Thanks.
Rebkeh
(2,450 posts)In it to win it
Til the convention
We've got the money and we've got the bern, we are not going anywhere but to the convention.
We are doing great, all things considered and it goes up from here.
Hillary has no new votes to gain, everyone already knows her.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)That's a great message.
If we had listened to the pundits we would have given up long ago. In it to win it. Great message.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Qutzupalotl
(14,298 posts)Punkingal
(9,522 posts)Bernie won 2 swing states last night, very decisively, MN and CO. With the exception of MA, Secretary Clinton won states no democrat can hope to carry in November.
Keep donating, keep working, keep Feeling The Bern!!!
(And what was up with Oklahoma? I didn't hear anyone saying anything about Hillary losing Oklahoma. How did that happen?)
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Colorado and Oklahoma are part of the west right? I think so.
I think Bernie might have done well with Native American voters in OK but somebody can check on that. It's another great message thanks.
onecaliberal
(32,812 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Bernie supporters around the country should understand we need to keep it alive for California to have their vote.
onecaliberal
(32,812 posts)of America. We are feeling the Bern.
Svafa
(594 posts)Last edited Wed Mar 2, 2016, 01:09 PM - Edit history (1)
yesterday. Many people thought he would *only* take Vermont. He won four states. I don't think anyone expected him to do a whole lot better than he did do.Yes, Clinton got a lot of delegates, but there is still more than half of the country, including delegate-rich California, left to go. In the coming weeks, there are primaries in states that poll better for Sanders, so I think he will only rise from here (and "here" could have been much worse than it is). I am looking forward to canvassing this weekend and voting on the 15th.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Get organized and GOTV.
I'm with you. Going canvassing this week too.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)GOTV time now
demwing
(16,916 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Not sure about the "stand your ground" slogan though because of the connection to the gun thing.
Other than that decent. Thanks.
Autumn
(45,026 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Great message thanks.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)Nearly ALL the South Has Already Voted. We Are Going To Win This Thing!
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)So far that may be the best really.
Some major themes...
1) Most of the country hasn't voted yet
2) Sanders is strongest against Trump, Cruz or any GOP
MisterP
(23,730 posts)did so because they thought she was the frontrunner in the primaries and/or November
we gotta tell them what the FBI and DoS are up to
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)But they are missing the boat on who is most electable.
GoldenThunder
(300 posts)We choose to vote for Bernie and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard.
This is our Moon shot. Prepare for launch.
Todays_Illusion
(1,209 posts)And the message is we are all in it together, don't give into all this racism the Hillary campaign is promoting.
Karma13612
(4,547 posts)The Sanders campaign is coming to your state so be ready to vote or caucus.
or
Rest assured, your voice will be heard in this election cycle.
Your vote DOES make a difference.
I think the Sanders campaign should come out with a national ad that assures future states that Bernie is in it all the way to the convention.
And to be prepared, get registered and don't worry, your vote will be counted.
Something along that line.
People are either hearing that Hillary is inevitable, or that Bernie can't win and will drop out soon.
He has to pay for the ads, but it will squelch the crap that everyone is hearing.
Just an idea!
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Nice. Thanks.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)voter. She did not think it would be a big deal if she registered her old address or new one, and assumed she could vote at any polling place in the entire state once registered. I explained the whole thing, including where to look for registration forms, and that she could do an absentee if the polling hours conflicted with her work schedule. (which is why she was considering using her old address).
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)Might as well go big huh?
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)It will do damage in the general election though.
General Libya policy is a big issue though, apart from Benghazi.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)It the general election people might though
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)8 years as a mayor, 16 in the House of Representatives, 9 years and counting as a Senator, to her one term as a Senator, one term as SoS.
We need to quit losing the people who claim to be voting for the 'more experienced candidate' to Hillary based on her simply CLAIMING to be more experienced.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Not that it matches Clinton as Secretary of State, but he does have international experience too...
As a member of Congress, Sanders has visited at least 41 countries, including Mexico, China, Israel, Vietnam, and South Africa, over the course of more than two dozen government-sponsored and privately-funded trips. His travels have taken him to the Middle East to visit a refugee camp in Jordan, discuss the Syrian conflict with diplomats in Turkey, and meet U.S. military officials in Afghanistan. Sanders has traveled to Central America to warn against the dangers of flawed trade policy, and spent a considerable amount of time visiting Nordic nations that he now holds up as models for America to emulate.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/02/bernie-sanders-foreign-policy/470019/
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)You can worry about your vote in the GE later.
This is a very important point, I think, for many voters.
Send the powers-that-be in the Democratic Party a message for reform on all fronts--dirty money politics, billionaires buying elections, existing cuts and more threats to Social Security, failure to implement Medicare-for-all (a Democratic Party platform item since Harry Truman!); RESTORE free public college tuition (like we once had!); END Reaganomics; RESTORE fair taxation; support diplomacy and peace, etc.
NOW is the time to do this! It jeopardizes nothing to vote your conscience in the primary. And, who knows?, we might find ourselves with a candidate who is a REAL Democrat, and whose populist agenda and clean record on contributions clearly appeals to far more people than Clinton does, nationally, and who beats the pants off all Republicans including Trump.
1. The primary is the place to send a message.
2. Sanders wins against ALL Republicans in nat'l polls, while Clinton wins by less or loses!
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)I sure see how a lot of voters will want to send a message.
Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)186k showed up last night for the Dems. Lines for miles, packed schools, enthusiastic voters.