It looks to me like Hillary is actually the candidate of the people, not Bernie Sanders

[Cali_Democrat]

Hillary is leading in the popular vote by almost 1.4 million votes....and that total doesn't include Iowa and Nevada, states that she won.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_vote_count.html

[CBGLuthier]

1. But why? What exactly has she done that is worth anything? She waged war.

Was a homophobe, did no decent service towards any community of any minorities. Takes money from banks. What has she actually done to deserve it? I will never understand how anyone could support her.

[MADem]

3. People--like me--think she is the smartest and best prepared candidate to be the leader of the free

world. She is not a homophobe--if she were she wouldn't have such overwhelming support --both in terms of campaigning and in terms of donations--in the LGBT community. She went undercover to investigate segregation academy violations against minorities as a young adult, so your charge about that is false, too. And the money she "took from banks?" That went to the foundation to bring clean water and housing to people around the world.

You'll probably want to start looking for the good in her, because she's moving closer to the nomination.

[Ron Green]

27. "Leader of the free world."

That's an interesting choice of words. It's an old Cold War phrase, really has no meaning now, but still gets used. Kind of like "Commander-in-Chief" it carries some particular baggage, and in my opinion is indicative of a mindset that we should move beyond.

[auntpurl]

32. Well...

I live in the UK. I spend a lot of time in continental Europe as well. And I can tell you that quite a lot of Europeans know more about the American election than some Americans.

Why is that? Why do I get BBC alerts on my phone when primary results come in? Why was Paris papered with Obama posters during the 2012 election?

It's because the political leadership in America still has a massive effect on the rest of the world. So "leader of the free world" doesn't seem that off to me.

[Hortensis]

60. Poor world. I bet others would really like a vote too.

Well, bizarre and shocking as this all is and must look, we're going to follow President Obama with President Hillary Clinton, do some major work on our own house, and continue as a force for stability.

That's the outline of my plan, anyway.

[auntpurl]

62. If you let Europe vote, you would literally never have another Republican president

Let's make this happen! I'll make some calls...

[MADem]

36. And, in case you've been napping, we're back in that line of work.

Proxies in other parts of the globe, struggles for influence. The coffee is brewing, arise and smell it. Putin is working hard to put the old USSR franchise back together again; he's working on regaining unfettered access to sea lanes and overseas naval bases. This isn't because he enjoys sailing.

The term "Commander in Chief" carries baggage? You might want to read our nation's laws, starting with the Constitution.

Section. 2.

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.

I don't think you will get much if any support for amending that particular portion of our founding document.

[AlbertCat]

77. She ain't that smart either.

I find her sloppy and not very efficient....with important stuff...like classified info.

[denvine]

75. My fear is that if she wins the nomination

There is a better chance to get a Republican President. That should scare the hell out of everyone!

[LeFleur1]

82. Ignorance is Bliss

So they say. But it would do some people good to look up what Hillary has been doing the past fifty years. She's been working to help women, children of the world, and people in general. Tossing out insults and falsehoods is a right wing mechanism used to manipulate their voters. Don't adopt it.

[MADem]

105. Well, why would I do such a thing?

Maybe you meant to reply to someone else?

I've been a supporter of HRC for many years now.

[Nonhlanhla]

8. I think you will find

that not everyone shares your one-sided perspective on Hillary.

[auntpurl]

9. I think she's brilliant, competent, experienced, and electable.

Of course, everyone votes for their own reasons. Those are mine. Amongst many others.

[denvine]

85. You might want to see these CNN poll numbers that the MSM will never show!

I question her electability and a majority of people question her honesty.

[auntpurl]

90. Hillary has been vetted nationally for many years; Bernie has not

There was some ridiculous post on here the other day about some "writings" Bernie had done as a very young man, in which he espoused some stuff about socialism, etc. Redbaiting and I don't think it does Hillary supporters any favours to attack Bernie like that on DU. He was a young man; people do dumb stuff when they're young. It was a silly thing to post here. But it will be disseminated far and wide in the general. He was too far left to be a Democrat until he joined the party to run. (Note: I don't necessarily believe that - after all he voted with the Dems in the Senate the majority of times - but that is what will be thrown at him).

Maybe the socialism stuff won't play, who knows. Young people seem less alarmed by the word than older people do, and god knows I'm old. But STUFF will come out, they will find a way to attack him. Hillary's RW talking points are so old at this point that people don't take them seriously anymore.

Of course, at the end of the day, that's only my opinion. I'm sure you disagree, and I respect your opinion. It's fortunate we both have the opportunity to voice our support for our candidates by voting.

Peace.

[YCHDT]

21. Many HRC voters don't find Sanders to be a total 180 so no need to take a chance they can't afford

[Beacool]

99. Really?

A lot of exaggerations and hyperbole in your statement.

[NurseJackie]

2. I like reality too!

[SCantiGOP]

76. When the OP

describes Clinton as a "homophobe" he/she instantly loses all credibility.

Over in the Bernie camp they are celebrating his big victory (ever won a ballgame 4-7? didn't think so.)

In the four states Sanders won, he got 28 more delegates than Clinton, while she got 95 more just in Texas.

[Pisces]

4. Facts matter, I always thought it was only Republicans that ignored facts.

[virtualobserver]

5. she is the candidate of the people of the south

[marions ghost]

13. Stop that

--does not help us.

[virtualobserver]

17. I'm sorry, but Hillary supporters have been declaring this election over for months

They have been discounting Bernie's record, his character, and any win that he receives.

Her regional win does not mean that "the people" have spoken. It means that some people have spoken.

[marions ghost]

25. So say it without South-bashing

South-bashing will backfire on Bernie supporters. Hear me on this and lose it. I know the South and we are struggling to bring about change. It is divisive and not in the spirit of Bernie to slam the South as an argument against Hillary-ites.

"Her regional win does not mean that "the people" have spoken. It means that some people have spoken." == yep. Hold back on the snark. Even coded like you did it is loaded.

[virtualobserver]

69. I'm not slamming the south...I live there, too.

I'm just asserting that the race is not over.

[marions ghost]

71. OK

I guess there's so much South-bashing around here I'm getting paranoid.

Even when you say "people of the South" it sounds cold and distanced, like isolating them/us. I'm very sensitive to it as I think it hurts Bernie (and his supporters sometimes don't get that).

Sorry to jump on ya.

[Svafa]

39. The people of ten states have spoken in her favor.

[virtualobserver]

53. That is true.

[redstateblues]

35. Your condescension is duly noted

[virtualobserver]

49. not condescension, if the rest of the country also goes for Hillary....

I'll acknowledge the truth of that.

[MADem]

38. And--like it or not (and I suspect you might not)--the people of Massachusetts.

Say, nice 'shade' you're tossing at those southerners! My cousins from Maine live down in Georgia, now; I'll tell them how much you love 'em, based solely on their state of residence!

[virtualobserver]

51. It isn't about not loving them......there are simply 35 states left who are also "the people"

[MADem]

58. That's why you called her the candidate of the people of the south? Because Sanders didn't win

those states?

There are a massive number of northern transplants in the south, too. You might have to re-calibrate your attitudes. There's a reason why MA recently lost a representative--because people are moving AWAY from the Commonwealth.

As for the balance of the states, no one is saying they shouldn't weigh in. They will, and we'll have our result soon enough.

[virtualobserver]

65. not because Sanders didn't win.....because Hillary did.

You could also call Sanders the candidate of the far northeast, maybe the heartland...we'll see on that.

I'll wait before I anoint either of them as the candidate of the people.

[MADem]

103. Are KY, NC, WVa, LA, MI and FL "not the south?"

It's a bit premature to crown ANYONE "the candidate of ......." if we're even going to go there.

I do believe that the purpose of the association wasn't a laudatory one, either--and that is terribly unfortunate.

[virtualobserver]

108. It was neither laudatory nor critical....It was merely an expression of reality.

Her victories in the south were decisive.

[tk2kewl]

6. 34 states to go

[GreatGazoo]

7. Interesting since they don't count individual votes in Iowa

but don't let facts get in the way now.

[Cali_Democrat]

10. I said that the total doesn't include Iowa. nt

[MADem]

41. Reading is just so over-rated these days, LOL!

[virtualobserver]

54. but ridicule is also over-rated

[MADem]

66. Pointing out that an attempt to land a blow missed its mark isn't ridicule.

It's closer to illumination of a cautionary tale.

[Agschmid]

55. Yup.

Why bother?

[mucifer]

11. By that logic so is donald trump.

I will vote for Hillary in the general. But, I really wish she wasn't the candidate from Goldman Sacks.

[stevenleser]

20. Sadly, it seems that he is. Although his vote percentages of his party are lower than Hillary's. nt

[NCTraveler]

12. it is that way.

I'm a little surprised that the enthusiasm for Sanders has such little depth in numbers. Over one and a quarter million more people showed up for her yesterday.

[leftynyc]

29. No snark intended here at all

but how many political sites do you participate on? If it's only DU, that's why you're surprised.

[NCTraveler]

33. DU is the only site.

I have read the political oasis and wills site but most is here. Still just a little shocked at the number of places Sanders isn't even clearing twenty five or thirty percent.

No snark recognized.

[leftynyc]

40. I participate on several

4 on a pretty regular basis but DU is, by far, the furthest left (but all lean left). There is no malice towards Sen Sanders, none at all. The pretty clear consensus is that Hillary will make the stronger general election candidate.

[NCTraveler]

44. I don't speak about it often here...

As it is viewed as fighting words. The GE will not be kind to us if we move forward with Sanders.

[leftynyc]

50. Agree 100%

I have a pretty thick skin but I don't really participate much on GD-P - it's a whole level of rancor I'm not interested in.

[casperthegm]

14. Numbers so far are correct, not sure I agree with the wording though

More people have voted for Clinton. That is a fact. To say that she is the candidate of the people, I'm not sure that I'd make that connection. It seems that you're interpreting "candidate of the people" by votes cast so far. My interpretation of "for the people" is a candidate that looks out for the welfare of the general populous, not a select few special interests.

If by people you mean bankers and Wall Street executives, then yes, she is a candidate of the people. If you mean by the companies that will benefit from shipping jobs overseas via the TPP, then yes, she is a candidate of those executives as well. If you mean those weapons manufacturers that benefited from her vote on the war for Iraq, resulting in trillions in debt, thousands of American lives lost, and a destabilized the region, leading to the rise of ISIS, then those executives would be her people. If you mean the bankers that would benefit by her opposition to reinstating Glass Steagall, then she is a candidate of the people.

[bushisanidiot]

26. She IS a candidate of the the People. Unions, LGBT, Women, and African American organizations

have endorsed her and she gets more and more endorsements from "the people", representing regular people like you and me, every day. These are the people of the democratic party, a party that Bernie Sanders does not even belong to.

[casperthegm]

34. This is gonna be fun

Unions; You mean like the unions that Walmart fought to break up when Clinton served on their board? The LGBT community- another recent flip flop of hers, while Sanders was supporting their parades in Burlington as far back as the mid 1980's. African Americans- you mean the folks that Sanders got arrested for as far back as the 1960's while Clinton was working as a Goldwater girl?

And none of this addresses the people that Clinton really supports in my initial post. And regarding Sanders not belonging to the Democratic Party, I'd much rather follow an authentic candidate that shares my ideals than blindly swear allegiance to a party that has moved to the right, embracing the status quo, Wall Street, and war.

[Svafa]

42. +1 nt

[leftynyc]

30. Except you're wrong

I saw just this morning - reported by Steve Kornacki - Sen Sanders won white men - that's it. Hillary won white women, black men and women and Latino men and women. That's what people a candidate of the people looks like.

[auntpurl]

37. This theory has so much cognitive dissonance to me

I don't get it. How can you say she only represents the 1% when the most disenfranchised, historically poverty-stricken, and dismissed voting groups have come out for her in droves? African Americans, Latinos, women. If any groups are MORE not historically part of the 1%, point them out to me.

People are voting for who they want to vote for. I assume all groups are educated to the same degree - that is, portions of all groups will be very informed regarding the candidates, and portions won't be. So where do you get the idea that only bankers are her constituents?

[Svafa]

43. She's been in the public eye for decades. Name recognition.

Sanders always knew that this would be an uphill battle.

[auntpurl]

46. That's not her fault

And doesn't address the question I asked, namely: Why do some Bernie supporters keep saying Hillary is the candidate of the 1% when all the groups I mentioned in my post are voting for her in droves?

[Svafa]

64. I didn't say her fault, it simply is what it is.

And it is the reason that, despite being a candidate for the 1%, she is still getting many votes. Even people who don't follow politics closely have been familiar with her name for decades. Of course the fact that the media, owned by the 1%, have given her significantly more coverage than Sanders for the entire election cycle plays a huge role too. Look at who Sanders' biggest base is--younger people, who don't rely on traditional media for their information. People who get all of their information from CNN, MSNBC, etc. are getting much more exposure--most of it favorable--to Clinton than they are to Sanders.

[auntpurl]

67. So how do you explain me?

I don't even own a television. I get all my news from alternative news sources. I haven't watched MSM, unless you count the BBC I guess, since I left the States in 2008.

I am also really quite well-informed about both candidates, their issues and policies. I've followed politics all of my adult life.

I am definitely not part of the 1%.

And yet I am a strong Hillary supporter.

Obviously, I am only an anecdotal data point of one, but I suspect there's more than one of me out there.

[Svafa]

70. Of course I expect anyone on this board,

all of us being the political junkies that we are, who supports Clinton does so for other reasons. But most Americans are not as well informed politically as we are, and the majority of (non-Millennial) Americans still do get their news from mainstream American news outlets, which I believe is a large reason for Clinton's success.

P.S. Thank you for the rational civil conversation. Things do get ugly this time of year and it is nice to have a discussion with people of differing opinions that is both thought provoking and polite.

[auntpurl]

72. I respect your opinion

but have to disagree. I don't believe that there's any correlation between "not as well informed politically" and "a large reason for Hillary's success".

Name recognition, I of course give you. But that was Bernie's row to hoe from the beginning - the MSM could have had a complete Hillary Clinton blackout and people still would have recognised her name.

[casperthegm]

45. I'm not saying that only bankers are her consituents

I'm simply pointing out who it is that she is really looking out for.

Other people clearly believe in her and believe that she will work hard for them and all that good stuff. I'm only pointing out that her actions- things she has actually done- point toward some serious questions about whether or not their faith in her is well founded or not. You know "actions speak louder than words."

[auntpurl]

47. I respect your opinion,

And that is all a vote is in the end, anyway, an opinion.

Peace.

[casperthegm]

52. Concur

Always appreciate a good conversation, even the ones that can get a little heated

Peace to you as well.

[MADem]

48. Unless those are robots voting for her, she's clearly the one winning the most votes.

Votes that were cast by "people."

And there aren't that many "bankers" or "Wall Street executives" to outpace Sanders by such a massive margin. I mean, that's just a silly argument to make.

Look, you might not like it, but more people who care enough about this country to get off their asses and vote want Hillary Clinton as the Democratic nominee.

That's just the numbers.

[casperthegm]

56. I'll try to clear this up

You're right- it's not just bankers and execs voting for her. If I was trying to make that argument, you're right, it would be ridiculous. As I've said, she got the votes. I can't argue that or that those people believe she is the best candidate. And I'm not arguing that.

My point, if you go back and read the post, is that I don't believe that she is really as vested in the best interest of all of those people who voted for her- based on those actions/votes she has taken to show her support for those other causes referenced. The two don't mix. You can't have it both ways.

[MADem]

61. I think the people who voted for her are "high information voters" who have followed

her career for years and understand that she has the smarts and grit to do the job.

She's absolutely "vested" in the best interests of people--if you listened to her campaign speeches and watched her town halls, you'd have absolutely no doubt on that score.

If you're going to criticize her for her votes, you'd better line up most of the Democratic delegation, past and present, for your scorn as well. I mean, really--the most disingenuous comment I've heard this election season was from Susan Sarandon, who insisted that it was "the IWR vote" that tipped her to Sanders. She forgot that she stumped for Cheatin' John Edwards, who voted the very same way. And she ignores the fact that her candidate never met a military appropriation he didn't like, and is riding that shitty F-35 all the way to the bank, too.

[Iliyah]

98. The "blah" people came out in droves and so did women and PoC

whites, et al, yep, the United States of America is pretty diverse.

99%ers as well.

[ismnotwasm]

15. K&R

[Bluenorthwest]

16. If the popular vote count elected a President, she'd be President today, she won that in 08

Your attitude that only some States count, oddly States we can't win in the GE, which is all about electoral votes is fairly insulting to the people in Colorado, Minnesota, Oklahoma, Vermont and so forth, not to mention places where her grand victory was slim such as MA, where her advantage was less than 20,000 votes out of over one million votes cast. All of those people, plus the vast majority of the country that has not even voted yet you discount as unimportant and that's not acceptable. Like it or not, those Southern States are conservative, they have laws allowing discrimination against LGBT in housing and in employment. They are not the people who get to decide all things for us. It's just not the way it works. We all have a vote, not just Southerners.

My State will go for Bernie, and we have not even thought about voting yet. Get used to it.

[stevenleser]

22. That would work if it was really the OPs argument. The OP is framing this in terms of how Sanders

supporters have been trying to frame it.

[Cali_Democrat]

31. Bernie's problem isn't with southern states or red states....

....it's with states that are diverse.

Bernie struggles in diverse states.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1393183

[Ned_Devine]

91. There's also a running narrative telling voters that he has a problem with diverse states

By repeating it over and over, they are making it so. I just find it disappointing because he is the candidate with the history of standing up for civil rights and nearly every progressive cause under the sun while she's got the history of promoting and pushing law enforcement measures that were destructive to members of the AA community. However, she was able to get many AA lawmakers behind her to push a positive narrative about her and perpetuate a negative narrative about Bernie. It still goes on now. Can you see why that might bug some of us supporters? It's been a constant drumbeat of "He has no support in the AA community..." "He has trouble in diverse states..." "He struggles with black voters..." and so on. Eventually, when this meme has been said over and over for nearly a year, it becomes true and people believe it. They believe it even more when people in the AA community who are also powerful lawmakers push this theme as well.

[MaggieD]

18. Yes, "we the people" seem to favor Clinton

And I have to say, it has been annoying to be told by Bernie fans for so many months that we don't count when it appears we are the majority of Dems.

[YCHDT]

19. +1. The real revolution is being lead against the racial establishment in the DNC. The message of...

... combating economic insecurity doesn't resonate with people who have been economically insecure for generations.

The support for Sanders is extremely deep but narrow

[bushisanidiot]

23. Plus, factor in the amount of republicans who voted for Bernie to stop Hillary

Bernie's numbers are actually inflated.

This is the same exact thing that they did to Barack Obama in 2008.
Rush Limbaugh put out word for republicans to vote for Hillary to
stop Obama. It failed, but I do think it inflated her numbers slightly.

[jeff47]

24. To use one of your favorite memes:

So the remaining 100 million people don't count?

[randome]

28. Well, yeah, if you're vindictive enough to go by vote totals! Sheesh!

[hr][font color="blue"][center]You have to play the game to find out why you're playing the game. -Existenz[/center][/font][hr]

[NurseJackie]

59. ... instead of BUMPER STICKERS or YARD SIGNS? :-P

[MADem]

68. Don't forget "online polls" and "angry emails to the editor." nt

[Trust Buster]

57. Hillary won the black and Hispanic vote by wide margins yesterday.

It's kind of strange listening to the Bernie supporters clinging to their hopes that the white vote will save the day for Bernie. Republicans have chosen that route in presidential politics and have not had the results that they had hoped for.

[Orsino]

63. By the people, so far, if not necessarily of or for. n/t

[november3rd]

73. She would be

She would be the candidate of the people if she got off the billionaires' payroll and fought for publicly funded elections.

Why won't she do that? Hmmmmmmm....

[dinkytron]

74. Yeah but her willingness to morph into anything just to win is such an awful attribute.

Hard for me to hold my nose and get past it. She has been exposed for the little person she is. And the media running cover for her just makes the whole thing creepier. I

[Cryptoad]

78. Looks like to me ,,,

the longer Bern's Political Dying quivers go on the farther down he drags the Progressive movement with him. Lizzy beggin him to get out!

[AlbertCat]

79. It looks to me like Hillary is actually the candidate of the people, not Bernie Sanders

Did you include ALL the people...left, right? Up, down?

Or just the few from one party who have voted so far.

[Bubzer]

80. I'll believe it when we get to the majority of actually blue states (assuming she wins them).

[Helen Borg]

81. We'll by the time we are done with California...

Who is the candidate of the people.

[Hiraeth]

83. GOSH YEAH !! GOLLY GEE !! SHE IS THE BEST !! I LOVE HER !!

[Vinca]

84. It's not numbers that make someone a candidate of the people, it's policies.

I would bet the jar of pennies on my kitchen counter that if you quizzed voters about Hillary's policies vs. Bernie's policies you'd get a deer in headlights response. People who post on political blogs know what is going on. The average person on the street couldn't name 3 members of the Supreme Court for a million dollar prize. They could, however, run down the names of everyone in the Kardashian family. This is our problem - especially when it comes to Trump - most voters are clueless.

[auntpurl]

96. Pushing the "Hillary Clinton voters are low-information" thing is insulting

to all good Democrats who have voted for her. I assume all groups - men, women, African Americans, Latinos, Southerners, Northerners - are equally educated on the election; that is, a portion of the group will be well-informed and a portion of the group will not be. For example, Hillary is winning women, African American men and women, and Latino men and women - I assume they're just as informed as I am.

It's not complicated. People vote for who they want to vote for. If more people vote for candidate A than for candidate B, then candidate A is the people's choice.

I agree with the Bernie supporters that this thing isn't over, and I do not agree with calls for Bernie to drop out. But Hillary is currently leading, and by that definition, she is the people's choice.

[Vinca]

109. I think you're seeing the electorate through rose-colored glasses.

The other night I watched some interviews of Trump supporters and why they support him. One guy said - and I swear this is true - "because we're the same age." I also remember MSNBC covering the Iowa caucuses and hearing a guy spout some of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard when trying to convince a person to caucus for Bernie. There's a reason "Jay Walking" was such a big hit on the Tonight Show.

[auntpurl]

110. Oh no, you don't have to convince me that there are a bunch of idiots in America!

What I was responding to was the premise that only Hillary voters are low-information. I think there's plenty of low-information AND high-information on both sides. For every group of informed involved Hillary supporters, there'll be some who vote for her because they don't want to vote for the jew. And for every group of informed involved Bernie supporters, there'll be some who vote for him because they don't want to vote for the woman.

[Vinca]

111. You must have misunderstood my post. I wasn't singling out Hillary voters.

I said if you quizzed voters, meaning any voters, on Hillary's and Bernie's policies you'd get a deer in headlights look. People on this site are very aware of what's going on and who's proposing what, but I guarantee if you pick a random person on the street they'll be able to name all the Kardashians before they can tell you what Hillary or Bernie propose re Wall Street. Some might ask you what Wall Street is.

[auntpurl]

112. Then I apologise.

I did mis-read. Sorry, I must have a sensitive trigger to that at the moment.

Thanks for being civil.

[FighttheFuture]

86. No, more like children, who are not well informed and still learning, they do not know what's best

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for them. However, as they grow, learn and mature, they come to understand that Bernie and the positions he is advocating are what is really best.

Time, and exposure to these ideas (Which the MSM is actually suppressing as much as they can), will bring Bernie's ideas about.

At this point, people just know they are getting fucked by their respective party's establishment in various ways. This is why Bernie can even have a chance as running as a self described Democratic Socialist who, while working closely with the Democratic Party, was never a Democrat. And thee's Trump... 'nuff said there.

[auntpurl]

97. Well, that's both insulting and ridiculous.

No one needs to be told what's "best for them". Democratic voters are not children. They are adults, with individual minds and hearts, who choose their candidate because that is our Democratic right in this country.

[FighttheFuture]

107. Perhaps poor wording on my part. It was an analogy, and I still believe a good one.

I understand that people are

adults, with individual minds and hearts, who choose their candidate because that is our Democratic right in this country.

I also understand, as should you, that many are ill-informed, with no understanding of what could be, nor an articulated vision of what that could be or how to get there. News and sources are much more limited, and compromised. They are stuck in the current increasingly unstable and eroding system, trying to survive with a dim view of the future and poor understanding of the past. What they do know is they are being increasingly marginalized and screwed by their respective parties for quite some time. This is why Trump and Bernie can even exist in the current environment.

I am pointing out Bernie's message and plans are much better than the current establishment party's actions. People really need to learn it and understand it. They can be like you, taking offense because you think you are being "told what to do" and missing what I am really trying to say. Keep in mind, what you do not want to learn, life will teach regardless, and it will not be as pleasant.

[gwheezie]

101. This is not a good look for Bernie

You are calling the majority of democrats which by the way Bernie will need, stupid children. The irony that Hillary dominates with older voters is missed on you. Perhaps you could go with senile instead. See how that works.

[FighttheFuture]

106. No, I am not calling them that.

I am trying to point out many people are ill-informed and do not not even understand what is possible any longer. Democrats are not immune to this by any measure.

40+ years of Reaganomics, decreasing or flat wages, a purposefully damaged educational system, mantra's of "greed is good", etc. etc. have bought us to this point. Trying to make it day by day, little or no security, a world where offshoring, outsourcing, and moving whole industries elsewhere, and you close down your better nature and just focus on the moment. You play right into the hands of the current power structures in place (regardless of party) which seek to preserve themselves while the "owners" keep on pushing this country to its rightward Fascist/Feudal future.


Now people can vote for Hillary (I will if Bernie is not the nominee), she's far better than any Republican. But, she is part of the current power structure, and its hard to say what she will really do, or even could do within that context. Hopefully she still holds onto that anger at the "vast right wing conspiracy" and will fuck them up. Time will tell, but the Democratic party needs its own kick in the ass before it also splinters. .

[Historic NY]

88. Hillary Clinton was the top vote getter of both Democratic & Republican primaries.

Trump 2,923,184 votes
Cruz 2,483,553 votes
Rubio 1,867,264 votes
Kasich 538,996 votes
Carson 489,588 votes

Hillary 3,534,665 votes
Sanders 2,264,165 votes


http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/02/politics/super-tuesday-cost-of-votes/index.html


When someone says she can't win, remind them this is the popular vote

[FighttheFuture]

89. Keep in mind these early states favored Hillary from the get go. The later states will favor Bernie

so time will tell.

[Omaha Steve]

92. In the next 35 states...

She is behind in the poles in over 20. Wake up call.

Did you bother to look at how she did in MA in 08 for a comparison? She won 56-40. Candidate of the people? 35 states remain.

Hillary Clinton Narrowly Defeats Bernie Sanders In Mass. Democratic Primary

MA 08: Obama had picked up major endorsements from the Massachusetts Democratic establishment prior to Super Tuesday. Both U.S. Senators Ted Kennedy and John Kerry threw their support behind Obama, along with Governor Deval Patrick. Clinton also picked up a number of top-tier endorsements from Mayor Thomas Menino of Boston and Speaker of the Massachusetts House of Representatives Salvatore DiMasi along with U.S. Representatives Richard Neal and Barney Frank, one of the three openly gay members of the U.S. Congress.

Those were the days she had a chance! NOT today!

OS

[andrewv1]

93. Hillary Candidate for the People?

Is David Brock holding introductory classes for some of his students in the Brooklyn Headquarters?....

Feedback-A little work is needed here.

[LexVegas]

94. Only if you go by the most votes by the most diverse electorate. nt

[Historic NY]

95. +1

[basselope]

100. WooHoo.. Big victories in red states

Where the GOP numbers trounced her.

So by your logic, the GOP is the party of the people, eh?

[riversedge]

102. totals......

Kathryn Barger Retweeted
Dan Diamond ?@ddiamond 14h14 hours ago

Total votes across Super Tuesday

Clinton —— 2.7 million
Trump —— 2.2 million
Cruz —— 1.7 million
Sanders - 1.6 million
Rubio - 1.4 million

[Scurrilous]

104. K & R